tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post1363920284422131243..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Could Bessler's Wheel be made More Powerful than we Thought?John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-13166272612559301442015-09-20T22:08:50.573+01:002015-09-20T22:08:50.573+01:00So now that Ken is gone we can get back to the top...So now that Ken is gone we can get back to the topic.<br /> Bessler's mechanism could be made more powerful - if we knew what the mechanism was. How do you know it couldn't be made more powerful by making the levers longer? You don't. No one knows what could be done to make it more powerful because no one knows how it worked at all. You believe it's a gravity wheel; if that was true, then making the levers longer or the weights heavier should make it more powerful. Isn't that how gravity works?<br /> If such didn't make it more powerful, as John said in HIS blog post, then Bessler making it bigger and heavier just made it a bigger flywheel.<br />We only have Bessler's wheels and demonstrations from which to estimate potential power output and possible improvement. From the many, many discussions on the BW forum and here about their power output, it seems the wheels were on the very low end of the power to weight spectrum.<br />That suggests that the mechanism, whatever it was, isn't practical in any form, either bigger, heavier, or lined up alongside each other.<br />It would still be interesting to know what it was he was doing to get them to turn, though.<br />doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07526474336326785885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-24098901134475980402015-09-20T15:42:36.031+01:002015-09-20T15:42:36.031+01:00Lacking anything of value is subjective isn't ...Lacking anything of value is subjective isn't it? You are convinced you have something of value, others think you are full of it. <br /><br />Funnily enough, Ken, you don't contribute anything either. No matter how convinced you are. All you do is tell people that you've found another "clue" that you haven't seen before. After all the clues you've missed being a self-proclaimed expert at portrait interpretation, why should anyone believe you are close to anything? <br /><br />You don't explain these clues, how you arrived at finding them, where they are to be found, nor how they fit in to a design that you also don't show. <br /><br />If you think that all of that is so important and people will want to read about it, then put it on your own damn blog and let people know where to go to follow you. The idea that you think you are needed to spice up John's blog with all of this drivel is just astounding!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-91255627969590168522015-09-20T15:39:21.588+01:002015-09-20T15:39:21.588+01:00I'm not trying to ignore John, it's just t...I'm not trying to ignore John, it's just that I find the search for the secret of Bessler's imbalanced pm wheels so interesting, especially if I find anything that looks significant, that it is hard for me to not want to share it with others. The best way to "respect" John and his pioneering efforts to bring the fullest details of the Bessler story to the modern pm chaser is to continue the search for the secret of Bessler's wheels. I'm cautiously optimistic that I may finally have "it" before the end of this year. I truly believe that I'm now only one correct rope placement away from finally achieving the pm effect. Quite bizarrely, in order to duplicate Bessler's wheels, one must literally become Bessler and retrace each step he made, including the false ones, over the course of a decade. It takes a tremendous amount of commitment and effort to do this, but I am determined to achieve it and to do it while I'm still healthy enough to produce a book on the subject. See you in a couple of weeks.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-63863192904137595992015-09-20T15:24:59.936+01:002015-09-20T15:24:59.936+01:00Sorry, John, if I'm starting to "slip&quo...Sorry, John, if I'm starting to "slip" again with regards to the length and frequency of my posts here. I think maybe I'll take a break for a week or two from here so that others can have more of an opportunity to contribute. Of course, I will still continue with my wheel research which seems to be entering a new phase now that I've discovered that extra rope in the design. I'm a bit distracted and concerned at the moment anyway due to the recent hospitalization of a good friend of mine. See everybody in a few weeks. Bessler cat says "meow meooow yeoow" which translates into "I will also continue my relentless hunt for that annoying pm mouse". Pm mouse says "squeek squeeky squeek" which translates into "That dumb cat will never catch me!"Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-32922827184162173272015-09-20T14:34:01.278+01:002015-09-20T14:34:01.278+01:00Ken, John asked you to please shorten your posts ...Ken, John asked you to please shorten your posts and frequently. You obviously ignored him. Every one of your boring daily computer modeling sessions sound identical!!! Show John some respect! justsomeonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09879749344641415029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-3260825197465313922015-09-20T14:30:34.166+01:002015-09-20T14:30:34.166+01:00Ken, I'd be obliged if you'd stick to your...Ken, I'd be obliged if you'd stick to your promises and keep your posts short and few. Thank you.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-86242824036809882562015-09-20T14:14:11.740+01:002015-09-20T14:14:11.740+01:00And I wonder how many here would be happy not to h...And I wonder how many here would be happy not to hear from anonymous posters again who, lacking anything of value to contribute to the search for the secret of Bessler's wheels, are only here (and on other sites) looking for entertainment and get annoyed when it's not delivered in a form that is satisfying to them. If anyone is bored by my posts, then simply ignore them and feel free to change the direction of the blog topics discussion with something that you think will be more interesting to the blog members. I'd certain welcome that, but, for some reason, it rarely seems to be delivered because, ultimately, most anonymous posters only get satisfaction by criticizing the efforts of others. In the long run, they will achieve nothing relevant to Bessler's wheels.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-28984182303991738112015-09-20T14:10:18.820+01:002015-09-20T14:10:18.820+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-9011684141660706002015-09-20T13:20:25.520+01:002015-09-20T13:20:25.520+01:00+1+1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-8313210384356090452015-09-20T13:06:50.500+01:002015-09-20T13:06:50.500+01:00How many people on here would be happy to not hear...How many people on here would be happy to not hear from KB again until he has actually built a wheel that works!!!!! I am sick of hearing that he only has to do this one more thing to achieve success. It is getting very boring now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-71599395966792660932015-09-20T12:37:52.674+01:002015-09-20T12:37:52.674+01:00Update. I had a very productive, though tiring co...Update. I had a very productive, though tiring computer modeling session this morning and have made it to model # 1257. I previously mentioned that I believed there was an additional coordinating rope incorporated into Bessler's wheel design that is critical to maintaining descending side CoM stability during wheel rotation. After testing about a dozen potential candidates, I have narrowed the field down to only two possibilities. It seems like they both would help fulfill Bessler's description of his wheels being "stingy" or "greedy" which means that their mechanics did not waste a single scrap of available lost GPE in order to achieve the pm effect. This additional rope I am now pursuing apparently helps achieve this and thereby more robustly raises the 9:00 going to 10:30 lever's weights toward their rim stop. I have a preliminary model finished and ready for testing. I should know in a few days if I'm right. So far, the extra rope I've inserted seems to tap that extra source of lost GPE at just the right time as the wheel turns through a 45 degree segment of drum rotation. I have a very good feeling about this modification!<br /><br />Bessler cat has awoken from his slumper and is quite refreshed now. The room he and the pm mouse occupy is still blacked out due to a local power failure, but the cat is again detecting a strong rodent odor coming from the direction of one of the room's corners. Bessler cat is now headed in that direction and he's beginning to salivate profusely!Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-33784833904067719022015-09-20T12:12:33.177+01:002015-09-20T12:12:33.177+01:00I have gone over all of the various "clues&qu...I have gone over all of the various "clues" that have been extracted from the Bessler literature and the sad fact is that none of them has led to a successful duplication of Bessler's wheels. That means to me that the real clues are somewhere else. Very little serious analysis of the DT portraits clues has been done because, unfortunately, they can not be analyzed by merely looking at them. One must simultaneously be making one modification after another to some basic design and seeing whether a particular interpretation of a particular DT clue is getting one closer or farther from the desired goal: a design for a wheel that manages to keep the CoM of its weights and levers always on the wheel's descending side as the wheel rotates. By adhering strictly to the DT portrait clues, I am making progress although it is much slower than I'd like it to be. I'm hoping I'll finally find success before the end of this year.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-40168379135675408162015-09-20T07:24:04.770+01:002015-09-20T07:24:04.770+01:00Better way is to learn from own made mistakes, why...Better way is to learn from own made mistakes, why this will not work, where is the problem and how it can be fixed or do littlebit differently. For this for is also good to look MT drawings and learn something from them, do not make same things (mistakes, over and over again) shown there, as Bessler it self suggests. I agree here that for best and fastest way for first tests, learning and fixings are today bits and bytes. Also there can be 100% sure that someone, somewhere allready have figured out or/and tested almost correct innerstucture, but somewhere was some small mistake and final conclusion was ... "This do not work as well..". <br />To KB: Why is you reason to stop and look clues only in portraits, if this is not a secret?! In my studies main secret lies in other places and in portraits are only some small amount of them.Eastlandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-15234700819170280272015-09-20T04:01:51.542+01:002015-09-20T04:01:51.542+01:00"Printing" parts via computer is fine, b... "Printing" parts via computer is fine, but I doubt if it will work for large constructions like 12 foot diameter wheels. There will still be a need for carpentry and handcrafting when such wheels are eventually duplicated. I also have zero regrets about not working on physical prototypes myself. Been there, done that and remain firmly convinced that my present research methods are the only ones that will ever solve the Bessler wheel mystery.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-43943257865096771222015-09-20T03:04:08.540+01:002015-09-20T03:04:08.540+01:00I'm not surprised kb isn't familiar with 3...I'm not surprised kb isn't familiar with 3d printers. It would be consistent with what we know about him.doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07526474336326785885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-29067822922844800022015-09-20T02:30:31.592+01:002015-09-20T02:30:31.592+01:00Actually, I did do much "hands on" const...Actually, I did do much "hands on" construction in the past and eventually realized how very time wasting and unproductive it can be. Whenever I see a "inkblot" or printing anomaly in one of the DT portraits, I have to decide what its significance is. I have now reached the conclusion that there are no actual "anomalies" in the portraits. Everything in them was under the direct control of Bessler: either to give the reverse engineer a genuine helpful clue or to confuse and frustrate his efforts. He never intended to just give away the secret in those portraits. One has to dig for them one at a time through a forest of deception. Only, maybe, one in a million reverse engineers will have what it takes to successful complete the task Bessler has set before him. Any apparent anomalies signal me that a particular portion of the portraits is one that Bessler spent much time on and is worthy of my extensive scrutiny. Only very careful testing of each anomaly's possible meaning can allow the reverse engineer to separate the wheat from the chaff. The vast majority of those trying to solve the secret of the Bessler wheel mystery have no hope of success. Others are working with mostly chaff. The person who is finally successful will be the one who has found enough of the wheat Bessler left us. I concentrate on finding that wheat.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31806773860875573302015-09-19T19:28:29.431+01:002015-09-19T19:28:29.431+01:00You are not familiar with the term "printed&q...You are not familiar with the term "printed" because you don't build anything! You just arrange your bits of dead horse based on what you see in an inkblot. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-82479829278819029122015-09-19T19:00:11.089+01:002015-09-19T19:00:11.089+01:00Yet another video that the pm chasers out there sh...Yet another video that the pm chasers out there should consider. Note that his design appears to always out of balance, yet does not run! The reason? It's simple. As the large four arm wheel rotates and the weight, a metal bolt, inside of the white gear at the end of one of the arms begins to rotate about its smaller white gear's axle, the weight is actually continuously raised up although it's not obvious from viewing its motion. The result is that any gravitational potential energy lost by the weight as it revolves around the four arm wheel's axle is immediately used to raise it with respect to its own smaller axle! Thus, there is no unused net lost gravitational potential energy left over to accelerate the large four arm wheel. The entire construction is, as the video demonstrates, always in balance regardless of what location the smaller bolt weight is at. In a genuine imbalanced pm wheel, the amount of GPU lost by weights as they travel around the wheel's axle must be slightly more than the amount needed to reset those weights to their starting orientations. Unless that happens, the device can not output any of the energy associated with the mass of its moving parts. I'm also very impressed with the quality of his build. He says that his gears are "printed" and I am not familiar with that technique probably because my design's for Bessler's wheels do not use gears.<br /><br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgAnponHWgU<br /><br />Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-29840287233412105492015-09-19T18:37:32.094+01:002015-09-19T18:37:32.094+01:00Remember that electrostatic pm motor that everyone...Remember that electrostatic pm motor that everyone was so excited about in the last blog or two? Well, here's a nice little video that shows how it may have been faked. <br /><br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp9cFrZWneI<br /><br /><br /><br />Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-44827744597680486152015-09-19T14:42:17.336+01:002015-09-19T14:42:17.336+01:00Too much trouble? Then do like Ken does and just p...Too much trouble? Then do like Ken does and just post all of your inkblot research throughout the comments section of John's blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-11038512842860910022015-09-19T11:46:24.060+01:002015-09-19T11:46:24.060+01:00@Ken - as Omelete says, having played with one, a ...@Ken - as Omelete says, having played with one, a very sensitive one at that, there's definitely no torque. If there was the tiniest amount, i'd see a clear wind down difference in one direction.<br /><br />If charges were moving (just redistributing in the rotor foils like he said) then i'd've noticed some kind of magnetic interaction (i tried N42 neos). <br /><br />But how could that supposed charge separation even work - one of the first things he points out is that normally, free charge is homogenously distributed? So how could the rotor plates maintain a charge separation throughout the >200° angle between the stators, even at low RPM? I mean, even if there was some kind of hysteresis due to impedance / reactance effects, there would be a speed dependence and thus upper and lower RPM bounds - a 'sweet spot' rather than a clean torque curve.<br /><br />One of the more exciting areas in condensed matter physics in recent years has been the novel properties of thin film materials - edge currents and surface plasmon polaritons etc. - but the discovery of some kind of electrical remanence effect in Bacofoil would almost eclipse a PMM.<br /><br />I haven't bothered with the galvanometer as it's a big old antique and not worth the hassle for such a silly claim. I didn't try interconnecting the stators because likewise, any further analysis seems unwarranted - there is no effect to play with, and besides, shorting the stators would have no effect, either from standard theory, or the one offered in the demo - which was that the charge separations causing the torques are within the rotor foils, and caused by the alternating axial / radial stator proximities. <br /><br />Since the theory offered relates only to electrostatics - apparently only the relative shapes and locations of the stators matters, and as noted, there's no apparent speed dependence - the claim can be reduced to a single, stationary sample of foil, with the two other metal samples placed as directed - one edge-on, the other face-on: which should result in a voltage, albeit one which presumably doesn't induce a current (or else we'd instantly have free DC!).. so attempting to "short" any of these parts together with extra wires doesn't really help prospects... It'd be more worthwhile shorting the claimed electrical poles together and looking for that free DC..<br /><br />@Omelete - i've never played with a phone motor so don't even know what they look like, but an axle motor seems the likeliest explanation. I'd estimate the minimum power demonstrated in his video to be around 100mW, and my rotor's sensitive to a fraction of this.<br /><br />Might post up a short vid of it later, though it all seems a bit pointless now.... I'm much more focused on Bessler right now..Vibratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18175744698320817417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-45414170888546533762015-09-19T11:46:22.781+01:002015-09-19T11:46:22.781+01:00Update. I had a rather slow testing session this ...Update. I had a rather slow testing session this morning, mainly due to a very tiring day yesterday. A good friend of mine was again admitted to hospital with a condition that had worsened and I find my concerns about him very distracting. Anyway, I did a little bit of testing on two of my latest model wheels and am beginning to become very convinced that there is yet another very critical lifter rope in Bessler's design of whichI had previously been completely unaware. I have found a few DT portrait clues that seem to indicate this finally missing piece of the puzzle, but I still have much work to do to see if this could be what my designs have been lacking that prevented their CoM's from staying where they must in a "proper" imbalanced pm wheel: on the descending side at all times. The Bessler cat continues to prowl around the final pitch dark room of the mansion. He picks up faint traces of pm mouse body odor every once in a while, but none seem strong enough to indicate an exact location for the mouse. Now it is time for the cat to take a brief nap. Soon, he will awaken fresh and ready to continue the hunt.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-82605359872323566212015-09-19T11:36:53.704+01:002015-09-19T11:36:53.704+01:00If one wants to set up a quick and, most important...If one wants to set up a quick and, most importantly, free website, just go over to tripod.com (which is where I went to set up my site after having one too many "bad" experiences at other "free" website hosts. Set up account there which takes about one minute and then use the various templates they have to construct your site. You don't even have to know html to do it and you can make a very attractive, professional looking website in no time. Too much trouble? Then do like John did an go to blogspot.com and set up a free blog there.Ken Behrendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09111248107623433638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-20981101980779816122015-09-19T01:51:24.776+01:002015-09-19T01:51:24.776+01:00If you're resourceful enough to think you can ...If you're resourceful enough to think you can solve PM, then you should be resourceful enough to get yourself a presence on the Internet without glomming on to somebody else. Forget about free energy sites. That's where people go to feed their ego whilst they are days away from having the solution. If someone has something that actually works, then just move on to the regular media and demonstrate the thing once and for all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-44902470635965269892015-09-18T21:54:53.018+01:002015-09-18T21:54:53.018+01:00I guess I can leave the blog ticking over a couple...I guess I can leave the blog ticking over a couple of weeks, 'til I get back. I have some ideas to write about but I need a bit time to think about them before I set them to digital paper!<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.com