tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post2268997017323541679..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Why Did Johann Bessler Leave Clues to How his Wheel Worked?John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-56847410753656446702020-08-12T17:03:49.189+01:002020-08-12T17:03:49.189+01:00I, for one do not like heights and just about free...I, for one do not like heights and just about freeze up if I look straight downGravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-78636725278772273112020-03-03T08:52:55.074+00:002020-03-03T08:52:55.074+00:00But despite all of these efforts it has not lead t...But despite all of these efforts it has not lead to a working design. It is a waste of time that could be better spent on a mechanical explanation. Everyone is entitled to its own solution but only one will be correct.Marinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-60924075550611681732020-03-03T07:04:11.496+00:002020-03-03T07:04:11.496+00:00Also astounding how many times the number 13 shows...Also astounding how many times the number 13 shows up in the toys page. 13 is a very important number in the Bible and in numerology and is actually considered to be a lucky number.<br /><br />Here's what I found from left to right:<br /><br />1.) There are 8 of the X sections in that scissor toy on the left and the letter E which has value 5. Add those to get 8 + 5 = 13 <br /><br />2.) The three letters at the bottom are E, D, and D. Adding their values gives 5 + 4 + 4 = 13 If you add the values of the two D's to the 5 in the written note on the bottom of the page you get 4 + 4 + 5 = 13 again.<br /><br />3.) Add the number of coils in the spring body of the left axeman to the number of coils in the spring body of the right axeman. 6 + 7 =13<br /><br />4.) Multiply the values of the two C's and add to that the value of the first D under the bottom C. 3 x 3 + 4 = 9 + 4 = 13<br /><br />5.) Add all of the letters from A to the top D. A + B + C + C + D = 1 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 4 = 13<br /><br />6.) Add the value of the B to the number of pieces in the Jacob's Ladder. 2 + 11 = 13<br /><br />7.) Finally take a close look at the letter B. I looks like the numbers 1 and the 3 pushed together. When you pull them apart you have 13!<br /><br />This is too much of a coincidence to be one. Bessler loaded the toys page up with hidden 13's to honor God and get as much luck as possible.<br /><br />Sayer of SoothsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-20739694816941380322020-03-02T23:08:18.097+00:002020-03-02T23:08:18.097+00:00A few clues is all we have and that is enough to t...A few clues is all we have and that is enough to test the design. Finding as many imaginary clues as you can will make it a game of chance. That is not gonna help. Even if some turn out to be oke. It is the build that counts. Words mean nothing. But some distorted ego's seem to need recognition.Marinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-84676706824791107802020-03-02T22:35:10.181+00:002020-03-02T22:35:10.181+00:00Marinus wrote "And then you can say that you ...Marinus wrote "And then you can say that you had mysterious coded clues which pointed to exactly that design....That, my friend, is not gonna count."<br /><br />If you are basing a design on only a few clues then that certainly is not going to count and will probably be wrong. But if you are basing it on dozens of clues then that is a different matter. The more clues the better and the higher the probability of you getting closer to what Bessler had. Right now there is so much confusion as to what is and is not a clue that little progress can be made. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-16171996201804849722020-03-02T22:20:01.345+00:002020-03-02T22:20:01.345+00:00Anon 12:08 wrote "Bessler had to very careful...Anon 12:08 wrote "Bessler had to very carefully place these items in the Toys Page so they would have this precise alignment."<br /><br />I agree. The five items you mention (the fork formed by the three tiles at the top of the Jacob ladder, the two heads on the top hammers, the left side axman's nose, and the pointed corner at the bottom of the letter E) all just happening by random chance to be on the same line has about maybe a one in a billion chance! No their alignment had to be done on purpose by Bessler and it does look like an important clue which I haven't seen discussed anywhere else. If Bessler's levers did have three arms each and John's levers don't, then he can't have Bessler's wheel. We don't know yet what his levers look like so maybe they do have three arms each. I certainly hope so.<br /><br />@SoS<br />The letters B and E are the first two letters of Bessler's name. But they are also the first two letters of Ken B's last name BEhrendt! Coincidence? Destiny? This is starting to get spooky! <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62650162201013731472020-03-02T22:17:15.789+00:002020-03-02T22:17:15.789+00:00Everyone is chasing his own theory and is trying t...Everyone is chasing his own theory and is trying to prove that. Now some people (=KB) are presenting a theory that can only be verified if you put a lot of time in it and follow their line of thinking. A solution is not guaranteed. Otherwise they would have build it themselves. But for some reason they can't. If you can't build it, your out of the game. Even if you have the right design. You then have to wait until someone else finds it. And then you can say that you had mysterious coded clues which pointed to exactly that design. <br /><br />That, my friend, is not gonna count. <br />Marinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-45891679855372357702020-03-02T22:07:38.561+00:002020-03-02T22:07:38.561+00:00I haven’t see “the” solution presented even once h...I haven’t see “the” solution presented even once here, Somehow I seem to have missed it.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66277215982188912192020-03-02T18:39:19.373+00:002020-03-02T18:39:19.373+00:00On the contrary. The solution has been presented h...On the contrary. The solution has been presented here a few times. You and the others simply choose to dismiss it or give it any consideration. Likely because it does not fit your view of what the solution ought to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-32475599501466690482020-03-02T14:15:48.411+00:002020-03-02T14:15:48.411+00:00Astounding indeed! Astounding that anyone would e...Astounding indeed! Astounding that anyone would even waste a second giving Henry L and anon 12.08’s ridiculous analysis of the Toys page a second’s consideration. The truth is far more robust and believable than your suggested number theory, you would be more convincing without the pseudo-numerological mumbo-jumbo.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-9396145107476538882020-03-02T13:21:45.486+00:002020-03-02T13:21:45.486+00:00@Anon 12:08
Astounding! I salute you sir. Yes B...@Anon 12:08<br /><br />Astounding! I salute you sir. Yes BE = 25. Also 2 + 5 = 7 which is a lucky number and as I've mentioned before is a symbol for Seventh Heaven which according to the Old Testament was the abode of God Himself. It's a number that would have attracted Bessler's attention and he must have purposely put it into the toys page to bring himself luck in selling his wheel and also to honor God who he was convinced had given him the secret of pm in a vivid dream. I wish we knew what that dream was.<br /><br />Sayer of SoothsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-34216157720599090952020-03-02T12:08:18.843+00:002020-03-02T12:08:18.843+00:00Here's something to try. Go to the image of t...Here's something to try. Go to the image of the Toys Page that anon 07:55 above provided a link for. Then copy the image. Next open MS Paint if you have it and paste the image of the Toys Page into its workspace. Next draw a thin straight yellow line from the fork at the top of the Jacob's Ladder at the top right side of the image with the letter B just above it down and to the left until it hits the bottom right corner of the large letter E. That yellow line passes through the two top hammermens' hammerheads and the nose of the lower left axeman. Bessler had to very carefully place these items in the Toys Page so they would have this precise alignment.<br /><br />I think the interpretation is very simple. Bessler is telling us that there is information here about the levers inside of his wheels that had weights attached to them. The line also passes through the left axeman's nose to let you know that the information is "as plain as the nose on your face". What is that plain information? Take the two letters B and E at the ends of your yellow line and put them together side by side. That gives you BE which just happen to be the first two letters of Bessler's name! Then add the alphanumerical values for them to get 25. Why this number? It's as plain as the nose on your face. The 25th letter of the alphabet is---you probably guessed it by now---the letter "Y"! Something like this cannot be due to chance. <br /><br />Bessler tells us repeatedly in the Toys Page that his levers had three arms each and the arms had to be rigidly fixed to each other to keep their "Y" shape. If you are working on trying to duplicate a Bessler wheel and your levers don't have 3 rigid arms, then you might want to seriously reconsider whatever clues you are using to determine the shapes of the levers.<br /><br />Hope this can help someone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-20924653940546648392020-03-02T04:39:45.848+00:002020-03-02T04:39:45.848+00:00Many dismiss the toys page as useless but that is ...Many dismiss the toys page as useless but that is a big mistake because it does contain many important clues you won't find elsewhere. <br /><br />Look at the two axmen on the bottom. Notice a difference from the ones on the top? The bottom ones have no arms! Their axes which represent levers are being held by their bodies which are springs! Look at the man on the left. His axe is held up completely by his spring body. The spring body of the man on the right does not hold his axe up and its head is down on the log between the axmen. What does this tell us? The axe on the left represents the lever near the 9 o'clock of a drum and its weight is fully supported by the stretched springs that attach it to the drum. If you add the values of the D and E letters near him you get 4+5=9 which means 9 o'clock. For the man on right the letter near him is just D which has a value of 4 and means 4 o'clock. That tells us that by the time a lever gets around to the turning drum's 4 o'clock position it is finally in contact with a wood stop inside the drum. At that time its springs are no longer stretched.<br /><br />These are only a very few of the clues in the toys page. There are many others I can't go into here at this time.<br /><br />Henry L. (once again I'm not Ken!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80689186243961794262020-03-02T04:10:25.752+00:002020-03-02T04:10:25.752+00:00Suresh wrote "This simply means one thing... ...Suresh wrote "This simply means one thing... that none of us is in the know of Bessler Wheel secret..."<br /><br />Amazing how readily he speaks for others here when he should more properly be writing that it is HE who is not "in the know of Bessler Wheel secret"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-22349440000767431932020-03-01T19:21:38.907+00:002020-03-01T19:21:38.907+00:00Hhmmm, as you correctly Assume, Suresh, I don’t ne...Hhmmm, as you correctly Assume, Suresh, I don’t necessarily believe in Karma, but I will admit two things, firstly it almost seems as though there is a guiding hand helping us to rediscover Bessler’s secret at this extremely important point in mankind’s recent history..I’m talking about climate change and the need to stop burning fossil fuel; and secondly, yes I do have a fear of heights..<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-9860880024382622092020-03-01T19:14:57.531+00:002020-03-01T19:14:57.531+00:00Anons 17.55 and 18.52, Ken’s back. Do you really ...Anons 17.55 and 18.52, Ken’s back. Do you really think anyone is fooled? JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-58364544963018113732020-03-01T18:52:11.997+00:002020-03-01T18:52:11.997+00:00Yes anon 07:55 great work. And how good from anon ...Yes anon 07:55 great work. And how good from anon 17:55 to fill in the rest. I wish I were you. Oh My goodness I am anon. I am you. I am talking to myself. Anyway KB for president. He comes in different flavors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-12032000644008247092020-03-01T17:55:00.795+00:002020-03-01T17:55:00.795+00:00"The levers in his wheels according to KB had..."The levers in his wheels according to KB had three arms each and were shaped like the letter Y as shown in his youtube video of the wheel."<br /><br />Thanks for that revelation anon 07:55! It makes sense. I notice that each of the top two hammermen also has the letter "C" near him and the alphanumeric value of that letter is 3 since it's the third letter of the alphabet and that would seem to confirm that each lever must have had 3 arms on it. I also looked around for the letter "Y" that you said to find. I didn't notice it at first but it's the top three tiles of that Jacob's Ladder toy to the right of the hammermen. The nearest letters to it are the "A" and the "B". If you add up their alphanumeric values you get 1 + 2 = 3 and another clue that Bessler used levers with 3 arms on each one.<br /><br />What's disturbing about these lever arm clues is that, assuming they are being correctly interpreted, then they mean that unless your wheel uses 3 arm levers you are NOT working on Bessler's wheel design! Right now I only know of one wheel design that uses 3 arm levers and that's the one shown by Ken B in his youtube wheel video. The levers in that design definitely look like the letter "Y" especially as they pass the drum's 12 o'clock position as the drum rotates and have an almost vertical orientation like the actual letter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-41976617497134999512020-03-01T15:21:27.918+00:002020-03-01T15:21:27.918+00:00I agree with Robert and Marinus...
Self satisfact...I agree with Robert and Marinus...<br /><br />Self satisfaction of achievement is more important...<br /><br />But I am worried...300 years have passed and would we ever get a chance to see the real wheel running... more than 10 years hearing all this just in this blog... considering that some of us being at the fag end of life...you may not believe just a month ago I suffered a heart attack... almost felt like leaving this body...<br /><br />With the prevailing trend the success appears to be far-fetched... just consider JC sir's final response to my children playing quiz...<br /><br />He stated very much correctly that though the poem is interesting but you need to know the secret first to relate with the words in the poem...I agree with him...<br /><br />This simply means one thing... that none of us is in the know of Bessler Wheel secret...<br /><br />That also means we stand nowhere as far as solving is concerned...<br /><br />It is a pity, isn't it?... How long things should go this way...I joined this blog some 10 years back and no any progress yet...<br /><br />One thing I want to share with you guys... believe it or not...but it is a fact...I know JC sir will laugh and simply dis the same...<br /><br />After death man is reborn...all his experience and basic nature and fears, etc., Is carried forward... into the next life as per his karma...<br /><br />Bessler struggled and finally fell to his death...<br /><br />He must have certainly taken rebirth and may even be amongst us endeavouring to finish the unfinished task in his previous life... That is rebuild the wheel and sell it successfully...<br /><br />One way of ascertaining this is by checking to see if any of us having the phobia of fear of heights... because Bessler fell from a height and he would definitely dread to look down from a certain height...<br /><br />Pls don't laugh out loud and rule out the same as being very ridiculous... <br />Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-34799257098985158902020-03-01T14:20:36.462+00:002020-03-01T14:20:36.462+00:00Hello Suresh,
the problem with an alliance is tha...Hello Suresh,<br /><br />the problem with an alliance is that everyone has their opinion on the thing and that it took a long time to get there. We should abandon our hard-won concept to adopt those of others. Second, few of you will want to give up your design for fear of being robbed. It could be stolen in order to be forgotten.<br /><br />In addition, my design having almost 10 years of evolution, the wheel is almost complete and only requires adjustment of the lever and a redesign of the weights. i don't need help of someone , just need time to finish the wheel .<br />In short, we are destined to continue alone in our corner until one of us finds the solution and shares it. Even at this point, some people will have to successfully duplicate the wheel. A real wheel and not a simulation (a simulation does not produce energy, I saw it on my electricity bill ;-)).<br /><br />But I am open to all other ideas than mine and I think everyone has a chance to find THE solution to this enigma.<br /><br />One day , and i m sure of it , someone will find the secret . I hope it will be soon .<br /><br />Robert . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-4577380520373339032020-03-01T08:28:59.606+00:002020-03-01T08:28:59.606+00:00Yes, the letter Y-shape is very interesting but no...Yes, the letter Y-shape is very interesting but not the way you might think. Have a look at the image of the wheel that accompanies AP.<br /><br />Remember, the design is simple, stay away from genius mechanism's.<br />Marinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-77381343435778315662020-03-01T08:18:44.442+00:002020-03-01T08:18:44.442+00:00Thank you for the offer Suresh. But I must declin...Thank you for the offer Suresh. But I must decline, I don't think the alliance would hold. Besides, the satisfaction will be much greater if you have solved it all by yourself. Also, there will be less time spent on discussion.<br /><br />I wish you luck and success. Marinusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-27450934852925194462020-03-01T07:55:09.705+00:002020-03-01T07:55:09.705+00:00SK wrote "You are right too about the toys pa...SK wrote "You are right too about the toys page of not being much help..."<br /><br />Actually KB claims that the Toys Page is the most important one in all of MT and provides all of the measurements of the parts used in Bessler's wheels which can be gotten by just combining the alphanumerical values of the five letters on the page in various ways. Other items on the page give the shapes of the levers and their orientations in different parts of the drum. But until you know the design Bessler used you won't be able to make any sense of the clues there. After he cooled off a bit following his arrest Bessler felt bad about removing and destroying the pages in MT that showed the actual working design he had. He then drew up and left the Toys Page as a substitute.<br /><br />The levers in his wheels according to KB had three arms each and were shaped like the letter Y as shown in his youtube video of the wheel. Look at each of the two hammermen on the top toy in the center of the page. How many arms do you see for each man? There are actually three! They are the man's two visible arms and a third arm which is the handle he holds to which the a heavy metal hammer head is attached. Bessler gives us an important clue here to the shape of the levers he used. Next look around the Toys Page more carefully. If you do you will actually find the letter Y if you look hard enough for it.<br /><br />Here's that link again someone above gave to a photo of the Toys Page<br /><br />https://i.pinimg.com/564x/68/c1/dd/68c1dd4873d736c8a14d30479aada2ac.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-51878317186914469572020-03-01T00:35:04.627+00:002020-03-01T00:35:04.627+00:00cwforshort/marinus/Robert... you guys are real gen...cwforshort/marinus/Robert... you guys are real genuine ones...I would love to share more with you people but some anons' here really do spoil the game... I hope you guys understand this...<br /><br />You are absolutely right Bessler invented both...special weights and a special structure to compliment it... One without the other is useless... this is my first great finding in more than my 35 years or so of my experience... nobody can tell you this so confidently, cwforshort...believe it or not...<br /><br />Robert... You are right too about the toys page of not being much help... other clues are more helpful...I am not afraid oi failure...J am afraid of losing the secret...I don't agree with you on one count... actually you should start the building only after forming concept in mind...<br /><br />Marinus...it is not the pole vault... their exists a very ingenious way to get the weights over the axle... this calls for a special designing of the internal parts...if you are really interested we could join and from an alliance to really bust this mystery...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66749304198873648352020-02-29T22:32:59.784+00:002020-02-29T22:32:59.784+00:00Guys like John and Ken B have no doubts about thei...Guys like John and Ken B have no doubts about their solutions. The closer you get to "the" solution the less doubts you will have. Doubt is for LOSERS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com