tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post234644828576068155..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Johann Bessler’s Wheel and the Orffyreus CodeJohn Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger148125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-90545569969946860442023-08-17T06:04:14.819+01:002023-08-17T06:04:14.819+01:00I am grateful to this blog site providing special ...I am grateful to this blog site providing special as well as useful understanding concerning this subject. <a href="https://www.magneticgroup.co/" rel="nofollow">magnetic group</a>Magnetic Grouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04815236826967959973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-85116832261516534602023-08-17T06:02:20.256+01:002023-08-17T06:02:20.256+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Magnetic Grouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04815236826967959973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19625077809345870222018-04-26T04:04:17.383+01:002018-04-26T04:04:17.383+01:00Even as you say, if the energy gained due to over-...Even as you say, if the energy gained due to over-balance is matched, the process goes on as the next weight takes over...and, once a certain speed is reached it becomes difficult to stop the wheel and braking reqd...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-4336958134303726412018-04-25T21:42:26.746+01:002018-04-25T21:42:26.746+01:00The actual BW isn't anything like the MT9... T...The actual BW isn't anything like the MT9... The weights infact hang from the inner circumference...during the beginning of the initial rotation the first weight automatically begins it's swing...this is enabled by gravity...by swinging the distance is covered fast...this is the first energy gain...the second weight follows suit and then the third and so on...so to reach the farthest point it is entirely assisted by gravity... Similarly, while ascending, gravity enables the weights to remain close to the center...this is due to a very clever design factor... This way gravity aids in the weights' ascent... Until you actually visualize this clever design you won't be able to understand what I am trying to say...and if I reveal it all I stand to lose... Karl could see this and proclaimed why no one had thought of it before...CP & CF also help but not so much as gravity...the wheel remains unbalanced throughout... Things happen fast...and maybe, when the wheel is in fast motion other forces take over...a pendulum cannot itself swing on its own if it is stationary...but it can when it is placed a little higher...in BW the weight at the zenith is at an advantageous position so the first swing is automatic... ultimately, you have to first design the wheel to understand how the energy gain happens...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-64094176327338022122018-04-25T20:38:54.593+01:002018-04-25T20:38:54.593+01:00I agree with John. There were comments that the wh...I agree with John. There were comments that the wheel had to be spun faster and faster until the internal mechanism kicked in. This would seem to indicate Bessler used CF to trip the shifting mechanism into action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-45100301645049219532018-04-25T20:26:50.746+01:002018-04-25T20:26:50.746+01:00Saying the weights are closer on the ascending sid...Saying the weights are closer on the ascending side and farther out on the descending side is a description of an overbalanced wheel like MT9. What force moves the weights inward and outward. Just as an ice skater has to expend energy to pull in their arms when spinning, so does the wheel. Where does this energy come from? Further, if you pull in a weight at the bottom and push a weight up at the top (movements occur along the vertical), you have to fight gravity as well. Where does this energy come from? The energy gained by the wheel due to the overbalance matches the energy to raise the weights, leaving nothing extra to perform work much less overcome friction. The prime mover is something aside from the weights in the overbalanced wheel. The prime mover has to create a net positive force - what I was referring to as the "unbalanced" force - for lack of a better term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-4192275074884696262018-04-25T16:16:30.234+01:002018-04-25T16:16:30.234+01:00To trick the gravity an extremely clever design of...To trick the gravity an extremely clever design of the internal components is adapted...it is a three pronged act done simultaneously to get the desired lift timely...the actual trick happens on the ascending side...as the weights here ascend they also ensure they are close to the axle while the opposite weights falling remain farther...over-balance is achieved...I fail to understand the unbalanced force stated by you... Unbalanced force is the result of the above action...when weights get arranged as stated above it is the gravity that ensures continuous supply of force on both sides of the wheel...it might be hard to understand how gravity assists in lifting...but it does...as I said before gravity is tricked...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31086556239947678522018-04-25T15:25:06.582+01:002018-04-25T15:25:06.582+01:00Well obviously nothing moves without gravity so in...Well obviously nothing moves without gravity so in a way you can say Gravity is the prime mover. Gravity moves the weights and the weights produce the unbalanced force, so in a way you could also say the weights are the prime mover.<br /><br />But what is lacking in both of these definitions is the unique unbalanced force produced by the weight in some collision or movement (such as CF). I believe only the unbalanced force is the prime mover since without it, overunity would not exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-47295430017285252602018-04-25T04:03:08.040+01:002018-04-25T04:03:08.040+01:00Ok, let me try to logically explain the energy sou...Ok, let me try to logically explain the energy source behind the BW...Wind is the source for Windmill...Water to waterwheel...so can we accredit gravity to gravitymill?..(BW)... Here, I think any pulling force similar to gravity should work...Maybe, pouring water constantly from above should also operate BW...draining water from below the tank housing BW should also be tried...showering wind constantly from above or suction from below should also be able to power BW...magnets placed strategitically should also empower BW...all these are meant in places where gravity is absent or to increase the efficiency of BW...the two stage oscillator stated by you isn't anywhere similar to the one in BW...it's both the design and it's housing that enables all said forces to drive the BW...the weights seem to be the prime mover here, by all counts... isn't it?...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-10963107886931322572018-04-25T00:05:08.084+01:002018-04-25T00:05:08.084+01:00Suresh you should at least be able to say what the...Suresh you should at least be able to say what the driving force is (CF, momentum transfer thru collision, etc.). Stating this gives nothing away. There is no unaccounted force we do not know about, but the way it can be applied is the unique part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-28414651824661843642018-04-25T00:01:37.882+01:002018-04-25T00:01:37.882+01:00If a weight can be forced along a certain path cha...If a weight can be forced along a certain path changing it's speed, so it rises higher than it fell, then in a way you could say the weight is itself the prime mover.<br /><br />I see the mechanism to be something like a Milkovic two stage oscillator, different in operation, but same principle. CF from a swinging weight on the lower side of the wheel lifts a weight on the upper part of the wheel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-88782932951529816282018-04-24T23:54:33.193+01:002018-04-24T23:54:33.193+01:00Suresh - I haven't given this too much thought...Suresh - I haven't given this too much thought. Some days I think it is the complete mechanism that, when bolted to the wheel lets say, does the lifting of the weights in the overbalanced wheel part (MT9 - MT16). Then on some days I think we should focus on the force in the mechanism that is responsible for making the mechanism work, and in my previous post I said I think it is CF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-7706782304872111532018-04-24T09:16:24.522+01:002018-04-24T09:16:24.522+01:00If I tell you that a weight gets lifted by itself,...If I tell you that a weight gets lifted by itself, using its own power, requiring very little assistance ... would you believe?...well, that's what happens inside a BW...the weights are the perpetual motion themselves...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59433110463139220032018-04-24T06:30:01.674+01:002018-04-24T06:30:01.674+01:00In your opinion, what exactly is a prime mover?......In your opinion, what exactly is a prime mover?...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-28328277345027711802018-04-24T03:28:20.567+01:002018-04-24T03:28:20.567+01:00Seeing the scant response it appears the time is n...Seeing the scant response it appears the time is not right yet...so let's put this on hold for sometime...In the meanwhile, I should say your explanation seems as good as it can be...the CP and CF can't be ignored...the real secret is the design of both lever-weight system and the key here is the way they are housed to perform seamlessly for a long time...I mean sturdy housing... the lifting, swinging and falling of weights is amazing and happens simultaneously...gravity in conjunction with CF & CP aids all these three movements...there is one more factor which is angular momentum or should we call it the inertia that also can't be ignored... while all this may sound very complicated in actually it isn't...infac i, it is too simple and easy to capture at one glance hence the fear of losing the secret constantly exists... people here seem to be still strong in their beliefs that it can be easily duplicated by using computer simulation and by constantly changing the weight configuration...let them try it...as I said it is better to reveal when the time is ripe... because any guidance give now only draws flak...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62265734876927517402018-04-23T23:32:15.433+01:002018-04-23T23:32:15.433+01:00Per reported information the Kassel Wheel (4th whe...Per reported information the Kassel Wheel (4th wheel) turned at 26RPM.<br /><br />http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index.php?title=Wheel_OutputAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-67609421711573696432018-04-23T20:23:57.338+01:002018-04-23T20:23:57.338+01:00Sam - keep in mind that a falling weight only has ...Sam - keep in mind that a falling weight only has a specific amount of energy (W x H), where W is the weight and H is the vertical height the weight moves downward (regardless of any sideways movement). The energy lost can be used to raise another weight. Unless there is an unaccounted force in the weight that drops, and it can be applied to the weight to be raised, you are looking at a break-even scenario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-16917534686002164172018-04-23T19:42:39.769+01:002018-04-23T19:42:39.769+01:00Suresh - I am surprised very few if any that claim...Suresh - I am surprised very few if any that claim to know the solution actually state the motive force. IMO the motive force is CF/CP from a swinging weight, and it is the lever mechanism (the real secret) that utilizes the CF/CP to lift the weights in the OB wheel part. That is the secret.<br /><br />Since you have not yet said what the core principle is yet (I am assuming you are referring to the motive force of the prime mover), please state it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31228946428809934902018-04-23T03:47:36.945+01:002018-04-23T03:47:36.945+01:00Be ready to quickly download videos or to record o...Be ready to quickly download videos or to record off the screen with a camera. And to make many many copies and pass them around. Very soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66399466165017523062018-04-21T14:49:38.866+01:002018-04-21T14:49:38.866+01:00Approx, how fast will a wheel turn? Is this formul...Approx, how fast will a wheel turn? Is this formula right? RPM = 16/C X 60<br />16 = is a constant. (A weight will fall 16 ft. in 1 sec. starting from rest).<br />C = circumference of the working weight of the wheel in feet.<br />60 = number sec. in one minuet.<br />16 divided by 36 = .444 X 60 = 26.666 RPM Which was the RPM of the 4th wheel, no load. can anyone tell me if this is right? Sam PeppiattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-35656849769677378152018-04-21T00:44:28.904+01:002018-04-21T00:44:28.904+01:00John,
I'm looking forward to hearing about you...John,<br />I'm looking forward to hearing about your progress. Good luck with your build. <br />-TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-40302872185236295572018-04-20T21:13:03.433+01:002018-04-20T21:13:03.433+01:00Bessler did say something like that but I always h...Bessler did say something like that but I always had the impression that he meant different weight materials, or varied ways of designing the mechanism to act in the same way.<br /><br />It is and always has been my firm belief that both kinds of wheels had the same mechanism. I’ll explain why I think that soon.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-75307060411730391902018-04-20T19:19:14.595+01:002018-04-20T19:19:14.595+01:00Ooooooooo Boy.......... really glad to hear the fa...Ooooooooo Boy.......... really glad to hear the family is doing better. Waiting to hear of your progress. As I recall, Bessler made a comment that he had figured out a couple of ways to do this. I guess the early wheels that required being tied had a different mechanism than the later wheels which required a push. Was there a statement about only wanting to sell one version where he seemed to hint that he could make another version and let the purchaser use the one that they had purchased. Not just one way, but multiple avenues could be usedGravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-21366270290373154742018-04-20T15:56:15.589+01:002018-04-20T15:56:15.589+01:00I might add, with a falling weight it can be quite...I might add, with a falling weight it can be quite small, which means it's easier to lift back up. It has to reset every one half revolution also, Sam PeppiattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-25544223932727390652018-04-20T15:50:40.698+01:002018-04-20T15:50:40.698+01:00Anonymous-1, You are right, I could be all wrong. ...Anonymous-1, You are right, I could be all wrong. However I do know that the cross bars / sliders will work if they are reset every 180 degrees of rotation. And it, the reset, HAS to be done when they are horizontal. For this reason it , has to be done instantaneously, in order to drive the wheel. That's why I think it must have been a falling weight; only a falling weight would be fast enough to knock the sliders over, which would OOB the wheel and cause it to turn.<br /><br />I'm assuming that it was this so called prime mover that did the resetting. For a falling weight I'm using a long thin rod that goes from rim to rim, but again I don't if it will work. One last thing, observers did say, when they turned the wheel they could here a weight fall, then the wheel would start to rotate, if that means anything. Sam Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com