tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post2395241948686604153..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: The Huge Potential in Bessler’s Wheel.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-18277398723550790772019-08-31T02:33:03.973+01:002019-08-31T02:33:03.973+01:00a given mass...... say 1 lb with a moment arm of...a given mass...... say 1 lb with a moment arm of say 6 ft that is 6 ft lb of torque in a 12 ft wheel. The same mass with a different moment arm of say 4 ft is now 4 ft lb of torque. The 6 ft moment arm will always lift the 4 ft lb. No hocus pocus, just math <br />Gravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-74667027656406745392019-08-30T00:40:36.783+01:002019-08-30T00:40:36.783+01:00Let's do some rough calcs (feel free to tidy t...Let's do some rough calcs (feel free to tidy these up if you can derive better reference figures than me)<br /><br /> • Suppose a wheel weighed one metric tonne (1,000 kg)<br /><br /> • Suppose the mean radius of that mass (on a net per-cycle basis) is 3 meters<br /><br /> • Suppose it rotates at 26 RPM<br /><br /> • Per rotKE = ½MoI*RPM², 1 tonne at 3 m radius rotating at 26 RPM has:<br /><br /> MoI = 1,000 kg * 3 m² = 9,000 kg-m² of inertia<br /> <br /> 26 RPM = 2.7227 rad/s<br /><br /> ½ * 9,000 * 2.7227² = 33,358.928805 or 33.3 kJ of rotKE<br /><br /> ..and 9,000 * 2.7227 = 24,504.3 kg-m²-rad/s of angular momentum.. <br /><br /> ..at 1 J per kg-m²-rad/s = 24.5 kJ of input energy..<br /><br /> 33.3 J out / 24.5 J in = 1.35x OU<br /><br />Again, this neglects all dissipative losses, which needn't strictly be the case (at least in the modern era, obviously, Bessler's losses were just losses), but in principle we can easily account for them since we know they're at least ¼ of the net input energy, hence:<br /><br /> 24.5 kJ * 0.25 = 6.125 kJ in addition to the rotKE, hence:<br /><br /> 33.3 kJ rotKE + 6.125 kJ heat = 39.725 kJ total output, and:<br /> <br /> 39.725 kJ total output / 24.5 kJ input = 1.621 * unity.<br /><br /><br />These calcs are assuming only that there was some mass, at some radius, rotating at some speed, and gaining that speed without recourse to a stator (ie. without applying counter-torque at the axis). These are the numbers that thus fall out..<br /><br />See how simple it is? It can't be any other way. My estimates of the reference quantities aside, refine those figures and you have the incontrovertible minimum efficiency, without possibility of error beyond those initial guesstimate margins..<br /><br />That's what you gotta love about it - mechanics is the archetypal 'exact science'..Vibratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18175744698320817417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-36296130655863630542019-08-30T00:38:47.674+01:002019-08-30T00:38:47.674+01:00Sir, there is a foolproof logic to calculate the p...Sir, there is a foolproof logic to calculate the potential of Bessler's machines:<br /><br /><br /> • The wheels had mass and thus angular inertia..<br /><br /> • ..they rotated, so gained angular momentum, in spite of having no stator against which to apply such momentum..<br /><br /> • ..ergo the exploit is, by definition, an effective violation of Newton's 3rd law..<br /><br /> • ..and we also know (from the Toys page, and basic physics) that the exploit reaches OU at five cycles; that is, after the momentum gains from five successive reactionless accelerations and subsequent inelastic collisions have been accumulated; a 25% per-cycle efficiency accumulator.<br /><br /> • This definitively sets the input energy cost of momentum at precisely 1 J per kg-m²-rad/s of momentum gain.<br /><br />In summary, the KE equation sets the minimum cost of momentum at ½ J per kg-m²-rad/s, however paying this rate for the momentum gains would mean OU was attained in just three cycles; yet Bessler consistently points to a value of 5 cycles; this minimum occurs when half the total momentum and energy is lost each cycle, which in turn happens when we gain 'reactionless' momentum by sinking counter-momentum to gravity, whilst accumulating the un-cancelled remainder of 'positive' momentum.. thus setting the input energy cost of the momentum at a definitive 1 J per kg-m²-rad/s.<br /><br />Whatever the actual masses / weights / MoI's (radii of interacting masses), each cycle sunk half of the input energy to gravity along with the counter-momentum, and then dissipated another half of what was left in the collisions (the bangs heard emanating from the descending side of the wheels), hence resulting in this 25% per cycle accumulator, and a corresponding 75% loss of input energy per cycle.<br /><br />So we know without doubt that it cost 1 J to raise each kg-m²-rad/s of angular momentum..<br /><br />..furthermore, ¼ of that is converted to heat via these 'bangs', which does not necessarily need to be wasted; that is, one quarter of the total input energy can be preserved and recouped, in principle, from that heat loss. Calorimetry would support this.<br /><br />However collecting this waste heat is completely unnecessary, due to the fact that, per the KE equation, the energy value of the accumulating momentum gain squares with its rising velocity component.. the more momentum that can be accumulated this way, the faster the system gets, and the greater the difference between the 1 J per kg-m²-rad/s energy cost of momentum and its resulting KE value..Vibratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18175744698320817417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-85297346678241982702019-08-29T06:52:06.424+01:002019-08-29T06:52:06.424+01:00Indeed! It was just so 'out-of-the-park' c...Indeed! It was just so 'out-of-the-park' creative, no? A masterpiece! I've read that McGoohan was intensely appreciative of and caring about his fans. A very good additional sign, I think.<br /><br />"Be seeing you."Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38661185044731965472019-08-29T06:37:35.014+01:002019-08-29T06:37:35.014+01:00You are most welcomed, S-G. Yes, it is so as you s...You are most welcomed, S-G. Yes, it is so as you say that it would have been far easier on all if Bessler had revealed all but, there would too have been no test if-so, which I truly believe it to have been.<br /><br />This failure served to point-up the innate FEAR that leads to the GREED and HYPOCRISY that exists within us all. (Our afraid little animal sides need to acquire things and group status on account.) That is the lesson demonstrated as so real and, on-going, by means of that test - it became (or rather is becoming daily so more-and-more) a TANGIBLE demonstration of these egregious and hobbling short-comings.<br /><br />If you can post over at The BWF, send to me a PM there and I forward my e-mail address, then we might converse as you suggest. (I've not quite been excommunicated from their Most Elite presence that operate it. Personally, I believe it to be a clandestine agency "lookout." This being the primary reason it is supported so very liberally and, this going-on for decades, now.<br /><br />And, you are most gracious, S-G. Thank you.<br /><br />JamesJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-25866490869144490522019-08-27T02:44:00.648+01:002019-08-27T02:44:00.648+01:00JM and SG...PERFECT together! Lol! JM and SG...PERFECT together! Lol! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-44539329262438215262019-08-26T23:03:58.830+01:002019-08-26T23:03:58.830+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-39963250412221110472019-08-26T22:38:22.444+01:002019-08-26T22:38:22.444+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-61563924289263407252019-08-26T20:17:25.192+01:002019-08-26T20:17:25.192+01:00S-G, well I've spent some on it but, it is one...S-G, well I've spent some on it but, it is one "tough nut" to work out.<br /><br />As for "how" I might proceed, gees, I've fantasized many such schemes, each of which upon deep analysis reveals pitfalls and dangers as well as the plus, fun parts.<br /><br />As some seem-to, I do not underestimate the capabilities of heavily invested (to the multi-trillions now) Personified Corporatism's (Big Power; Big Oil; Big Whatever) abilities to allay utterly, by any and all means as might be found necessary, any possible threat that could arise against them, finally realized perpetual motion, of course being one.<br /><br />For gaming purposes, I put myself in THEIR shoes, imagining what I would do (or would not) to protect the status-quo of things.<br /><br />The answer always comes out as: ANYTHING!!!<br /><br />The only safe way would be to resort-to the Pandora's Box approach: open it and distribute it's contents broadcast in such a way that NEVER could what was loosed ever be gathered-in again. Against this, THEY would be impotent.<br /><br />Would raw, untethered revenge for such a "scurrilous" act be the ultimate payment to any unwise doer? Likely-so.<br /><br />Personified Corporatist slaves, from floor-sweepers to board chairmen, reflect that Entity's prime directive: "Seize ALL where possible and give NOTHING in-return." Not complicated and very, very real, as is demonstrated daily by these, by the minute and second consistently - there being NO exceptions to the rule. They OBEY, or they are eliminated.<br /><br />Might this highlight what likely are but just a few of the actual REAL pitfalls to the introducing of a realized P-M to the world? <br /><br />Best I can do for you at this time.<br /><br />James<br /><br />PS Recently deceased actor Patrick McGoohan's appearance when alive, reflects with ultimate precision my own inner being and, the way I regard things and persons generally. Call me a cynic. I have found it a most wise way-of-being. (Why, over at The BWF I even styled myself as "Cynic-In-Chief." Some nerve, huh?) Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-54284392594497801172019-08-26T06:50:44.595+01:002019-08-26T06:50:44.595+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-3249697014372987572019-08-26T05:48:13.867+01:002019-08-26T05:48:13.867+01:00S-G, they are TROLLS and do a lot of TROLLING here...S-G, they are TROLLS and do a lot of TROLLING here, the reason being to bang our cages for reactions. Cowardly and stinking, insinuated sadomasochism FEEDS upon the angst thus exuded by it's victims. This is nothing new, only here as put into clear unambiguous terms IF they can be but only understood. (In these days of softened, deformed minds, this proposition at best reading becomes one 'iffy.' I am trying to be kind here.)<br /><br />John knowingly, wittingly, purposefully allows this situation of utter intolerableness (here the noun form) to continue-on and fester. Aquarius MUST have it's way, and nothing from without can't act to dissuade it! Multifariously, I've learned this pat lesson indelibly! To it, there ARE no exceptions - a fatal defect of the zodiacal pantheon.<br /><br />================================================================<br />in·tol·er·a·ble (ĭn-tŏl′ər-ə-bəl)<br />adj.<br />Impossible to tolerate or endure; unbearable: intolerable agony.<br />in·tol′er·a·bil′i·ty, in·tol′er·a·ble·ness n.<br />in·tol′er·a·bly adv.<br />================================================================<br /><br />How utterly misguided it is to believe that ALL deserve a voice, no matter what torturous (not tortuous nor tortious) penalties we honest, known respondents must endure on account. (This being what in earlier, more civilized day, was referred-to as 'an inordinate imposition.' Words count!)<br /><br />I suggest that, if left unaddressed by ruling, authoritative logic, it will be ONLY anons anymore here-posting and, that said authority will be 'driven nuts' by having to keep up with the evermore concerting, enabled madness.<br /><br />Just my little half-baked opinion, S-G. It is the best I can do, presently.<br /><br />J.<br /><br />PS The study of the differences existing between Law and Necessity, S-G, will serve (if succeeded-at) to answer many questions that otherwise without, will remain only as bafflements. The U.S. Nation was born 'of Necessity' NOT Law! 'Twas most illegal and immoral to have gone against our then Sovereign Christian Lord of blessed memory the King of England - old Geo. III. It was SIN! Deal with it! However, that as notwithstanding, it WAS NECESSARY that we were to toss-out this King, his Parliament and there agents, the charges against them as listing in our Declaration of Independence. Understand? When LAS fails, only remaining for appeal is NECESSITY. There is purpose to Her existence. Do NOT worship Law as if God Almighty. It is a mistake that is encouraged by scoundrels. Now, all KNOW that have read these words and ergo - deniability destroyed!!! Mission accomplished.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-67787383465793439062019-08-25T19:43:06.104+01:002019-08-25T19:43:06.104+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-10297665794801753312019-08-25T16:49:16.779+01:002019-08-25T16:49:16.779+01:00"...they will become Trillionaires. Just watc..."...they will become Trillionaires. Just watch. Won't take long now."<br /><br />Yes, that is my ultimate goal...to own everything on Earth and charge everyone else the highest rents I can squeeze out of them to use it. Having a trillion in assets will be the closest thing to heaven anyone will ever achieve! So far in history there is only one person believed to have achieved that level of wealth. He was Pharaoh Khufu for whom the Great Pyramid was constructed. He was worshipped as a living god!<br /><br />The RealistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-76416089360415340712019-08-25T14:59:10.221+01:002019-08-25T14:59:10.221+01:00This is not an old saying,
Lydia is a real person,...This is not an old saying,<br />Lydia is a real person, who was beaten nearly to death by, no doubt an ugly pessimist. She was in a coma for a long time, then had to relearn how to crawl, how to stand up, how to walk, how to talk, everything. After regaining her speech, she has used her name as the following acronym.<br /><br />"Live your days inspired anew"! <br /><br />I'm 79 years old and, I say her life is pretty wonder full! FWEIW<br /><br />Sam Peppiatt<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-5524827727753444322019-08-25T13:49:28.769+01:002019-08-25T13:49:28.769+01:00John, after reading through most all of the posts ...John, after reading through most all of the posts from all the various anons, it seems to myself that your site is descending into Troll Hell.<br /><br />They (or he) will not stop until they have gathered-in enough of your (our) energy, and their thirst for it often is a story never ending, and so could go-on literally sans surcease.<br /><br />Trolls are a sick species of people that do not come forward and establish some minimal identification reality, and suck-at one's vulnerabilities/desires by declaring any nonsense (or pseudo-sense) as might come to their weedling little parasite minds.<br /><br />There are more of these anons that have posted here, on this page I think, than we identified honest ones. From here-on-out, it only gets worse, John. How long is it to be before you are worn-down and finally, out??? One can only take so much.<br /><br />Years ago, now, Bill McMurtry (later to sleeze into "Ovyyus" of The BWF) referred to myself to another thus: "he's real," which I thought strange at the time, but now I do understand why such knowing is important.<br /><br />(Of this bit of earlier fun, I've still the print-out standing in evidence for it. The particular discussion was with regard to the Gary Magnetic Motor excitement of that time.)<br /><br />================================================================<br /><br />John, I believe I understand your plan should you prevail in being "the first." For my own part though, being of the exceeding poor and totally alone (all relatives and friends of long ago being now D&B), I could not and would not consider such a path for any taking.<br /><br />Again, it would have to be Bessler's Plan all-over-again or, once again, if NOT PAID, 'twould go right back into that old vexatious Trickbox of History upon my demise.<br /><br />The way it's gotta be.<br /><br />Humanity MUST LEARN, and it seems to want to do all it can to destroy all that is, and particularly what is of-the-good, while posturing and talking otherwise, as-if something marvelous and grand!!!<br /><br />I don't buy it. We are loathsome, deceptive and faking, posturing species with a few fine and outstanding examples displaying otherwise. (Without which we'd be done-meat.)<br /><br />No. I would choose once again just as Bessler did - to put my charming human fellows "to the test," as the Roman Catholic's used to call their quite effective Inquisition Program - this to separate-out the common chaff from the precious wheat in faith.<br /><br />(Real exposed life is ROUGH stuff, as dictated-so by Mother Nature, she with her Laws or, actions of Necessity, these dually made to be learnt-from, or not. (I.e. what is Law; what is Necessity. These two being not in any way the same.)<br /><br />At this quarter the rule would be once again: THEY PAY or NO PLAY.<br /><br />What minute sum as a good and worthy turn for value given would I require?<br /><br />Simple - the exact same one as Bessler did, as adjusted for relative worth. That same amount. No-more, no-less.<br /><br />(Forget the fake concept of "inflation" that is of only recent manufacture by The Ruling Money Power. It was and is intended to bend compliant brains into accepting that it is not manufactured by It, but rather is natural. Their ain't nothin' natural about "inflation," just invisible and thieving, like the devil. Think not? Count the billionaires sprouting up like weeds. Soon enough after they possess all that all have ever worked for throughout the Eons, they will become Trillionaires. Just watch. Won't take long now.)<br /><br />JamesJameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-32612899399898255352019-08-25T06:49:08.498+01:002019-08-25T06:49:08.498+01:00Thanks for your well intended advice but I disagre...Thanks for your well intended advice but I disagree. My plan is to video and demonstrate the concept, which is easy to understand. I also intend to reveal some of the clues which support the design, thus proving that it is Bessler’s. I have planned additional actions which will help promote the wheel. I have read of other people who insist on having the wheel tested and verified by experts, but I don’t think it’s necessary, and besides I’m sure this several experts will do their testing without my added request.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80772821039827263412019-08-25T04:07:08.816+01:002019-08-25T04:07:08.816+01:00There's another old saying which is that "...There's another old saying which is that "Optimists are only pessimists who haven't lived long enough yet!" That means that, eventually, after being banged around by life long enough, all optimists are eventually converted into pessimists. My personal favorite saying, however, is "When life gets ugly one will quickly find out that his money is his only real friend!" I want to have as much of that "friend" as possible!<br /><br />The RealistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-20104166116338086942019-08-25T01:01:27.223+01:002019-08-25T01:01:27.223+01:00To all optimists,
Live your days inspired anew! (...To all optimists,<br /><br />Live your days inspired anew! (LYDIA)<br /><br />Sam Peppiatt<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-53891592307498828002019-08-25T00:23:25.195+01:002019-08-25T00:23:25.195+01:00A working wheel.....A working wheel.....Gravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73196350094585007472019-08-24T22:17:00.948+01:002019-08-24T22:17:00.948+01:00@JC
It's really not enough for you to "pr...@JC<br />It's really not enough for you to "prove" it. Most likely anything that you build and claim actually works will be quickly dismissed by the skeptics and those committed to other designs as merely a delusion you have or, worse yet, as a hoax. You will need to have as many others as possible independently build a wheel using the design you've found and also announce that it works. Even those other working wheels, however, may all be dismissed as some form of hysterical delusion among the pm chasers or some scam being perpetrated. To settle the matter once and for all, you will need to have your working wheel tested at a recognized school of engineering and have its professors, all with legitimate doctoral degrees, say it's genuine, all be willing to sign a statement to that effect, and also state so at an international news conference. Then, maybe, something will actually come of it. It's a long race track that you have before you and, right now, you are like a horse that has barely gotten out of the gate!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-71669251908454322042019-08-24T19:32:32.258+01:002019-08-24T19:32:32.258+01:00You make a fair point anon, but this isn’t a recen...You make a fair point anon, but this isn’t a recent obsession. I recommend you obtain the two volumes by Henry Dircks, entitled Perpetuum Mobile. First vol, 1861, second one 1870. He covers every instance of a proclaimer of a successful perpetual motion machine. There are dozens and dozens, many historic but even more around the time Dircks wrote. But there is no record or proof of any single one actually working. The trend continues and there is no doubt in my mind that it will be solved with a working wheel within a couple of years. I’m satisfied that Besslerscwheel wasn’t a hoax but I must try to prove it, and soon!<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-9125578507025650642019-08-24T19:23:13.445+01:002019-08-24T19:23:13.445+01:00"The Scientist" wrote "Thus, Bessle..."The Scientist" wrote "Thus, Bessler had full knowledge of radioactive elements, and their decomposition, such as from uranium to lead."<br /><br />LOL! I suppose he invented the Geiger counter centuries ahead of time as well!<br /><br />The RealistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-30742615014515791362019-08-24T19:05:06.058+01:002019-08-24T19:05:06.058+01:00"To eliminate that objection, some will then ..."To eliminate that objection, some will then try to retranslate the clues to make them agree with the design of the successful wheel."<br /><br />As Einstein once said, "If your theory does not fit your facts...then change your facts!" Lol!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-22628378987786881152019-08-24T16:43:23.379+01:002019-08-24T16:43:23.379+01:00Truly amazing how many are emerging claiming to kn...Truly amazing how many are emerging claiming to know "the" secret of Bessler's wheels! They all have one thing in common: no actual working unhoaxed physical wheel to demonstrate! Either Bessler had a dozen different working designs that he used or the "discoverers" are all delusional. I think the latter is more likely. Perhaps someone somewhere is eventually going to finally produce an unhoaxed working physical wheel and all will rejoice. As the euphoria of that success subsides, however, it will be noted that its design does not exactly match the clues Bessler left us. To eliminate that objection, some will then try to retranslate the clues to make them agree with the design of the successful wheel. That, of course, will not satisfy the purists and they will continue to struggle on to find "the" design Bessler actually used. Eventually, it could be found, but maybe not in this century. Then again, maybe it never will be found. It's even possible that it was all just a clever hoax that was never successfully exposed and that has only wasted the efforts and lives of thousands over the past three centuries. Also, maybe those reading this will awaken shortly to find out their pursuit of pm was all just a frustrating "bad" dream that they were having and they are glad the dream has ended!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-54411803061068772152019-08-24T07:28:50.369+01:002019-08-24T07:28:50.369+01:00Fletch kindly did a sim of a design I made, a coup...Fletch kindly did a sim of a design I made, a couple of years ago and it showed where my design was flawed. I have had time to, hopefully, rectify the problem and if he is willing I may contact him again to make sim of my current design. But I’m trying to build it first, but if it fails perhaps I can ask him to try my design again.<br /><br />I totally agree with you and if the sim was made and it worked I’d publish it ASAP. <br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.com