tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post2558152931771760610..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: July 2012 UpdateJohn Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-15777578014351432432012-07-31T11:38:10.780+01:002012-07-31T11:38:10.780+01:00I have NO doubt about the cords being required in ...I have NO doubt about the cords being required in Bessler's wheels. Aside from "coordinating" the shifting of the 8 weighted levers during drum rotation, they, working in harmony with the springs, are CRITICALLY necessary to maintaining the OB of the weights' CoM during drum rotation.<br /><br />Once again when it comes to THE design Bessler used, "No cords and no springs means NO PM!"<br /><br />IF someone is pursuing a design that does NOT include cords AND springs, then, IMO, it can NOT be THE one Bessler found. Asa Jackson's wheel worked and, although it used springs, it did not use cords. It was NOT the same mechanism Bessler used. Rather, than cords, however, the motions of its weights were coordinated by the wheel's central structure that contained them. For Asa Jackson's wheel, one might say "No central structure and no springs means NO PM!"technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-8661811153908436622012-07-30T21:02:17.916+01:002012-07-30T21:02:17.916+01:00You're coming around tech. You will eventuall...You're coming around tech. You will eventually discover no cords are required. That is if you follow the "real track".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66356572590675318522012-07-30T17:51:20.086+01:002012-07-30T17:51:20.086+01:00I know everyone is interested in the legs of the R...I know everyone is interested in the legs of the R's attached to the O, however, there are four dots in the O. Maybe the figures attached to those dots are also significant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59870206776537916012012-07-30T17:48:38.770+01:002012-07-30T17:48:38.770+01:00Sorry, TG ...Sorry, TG ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-84501223876172064932012-07-30T17:48:11.869+01:002012-07-30T17:48:11.869+01:00MG, sounds like Bessler led you down the "wro...MG, sounds like Bessler led you down the "wrong track". Hehehe. Keep at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-34244857450347578552012-07-30T12:08:01.463+01:002012-07-30T12:08:01.463+01:00Quote from my entry of last week "If you look...Quote from my entry of last week "If you look closely at a better copy the 'R's are drawn in front and behind the wheel line, the lines break or are solid showing the 3d infront/behind effect. This 3d look gives it the appearance of a helical coil or section of spring."<br />JonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-1555815544590614112012-07-30T08:47:50.190+01:002012-07-30T08:47:50.190+01:00When it comes to Bessler's "clues", ...When it comes to Bessler's "clues", I define four distinct Types: 1) the description type in his writings, 2) the religious verse type, 3) the image clue type which involves angles, ratios, and component relationships, and, finally, 4) the numerological type.<br /><br />I have found that Type 1 clues are the best in terms of all being true (however, ONLY when properly translated AND interpreted), but they tend to be the most general and of very limited value in reverse engineering his wheels. Bessler made sure he did not get too specific with these clues. <br /><br />Type 2 clues are virtually worthless, IMO, and only a profession of Bessler's particular religious beliefs. <br /><br />Type 3 clues involve illustrations and pertain exclusively to the internal mechanics of Bessler's wheels and are, IMO, the MOST important ones and the ones that the reverse engineering Bessler mobilist should spend the MOST time on. Unfortunately, they are IMPOSSIBLE to interpret correctly unless one is ALSO simultaneously building / modeling in the directions they suggest. And, even more daunting, MOST of the Type 3 clues are DELIBERATELY false ones or what I call "decoy clues" intended to send the Bessler mobilist on a "wild goose chase" that will tend to weaken his resolve to solve the Bessler wheel mystery. BUT there IS a residue of Type 3 clues that ARE valid and VERY important to reverse engineering Bessler's OB PM gravity wheels. It takes time to find, act on, and verify them and this is EXACTLY what Bessler wanted them to do...make sure only the MOST determined of mobilists would be able to actually use them to replicate his wheels someday.<br /><br />You, JC, seem to have specialized on the Type 4 clues, but, to tell you the truth, I see little of value in them. To me they are just an indication of Bessler's obsession with numerology and have little to do with the actual internal mechanics of his wheels. <br /><br />For example, he DOES seem to use the number 5 a lot and there ARE, indeed, several pentagrams in the DT portraits. But, I'm now starting to think that these pentagrams are, at best, only very REMOTELY associated with his wheels' internal mechanics. Yet, you are basing whole designs on them. You MAY have greatly erred in doing so by giving a TOO literal interpretation to one of Bessler's FALSE decoy clues! <br /><br />However, as with all things, time will tell. The ultimate "reality check" of the validity of ANY interpretations of Bessler's various clues is simply whether or not they lead to a WORKING OB PM gravity wheel. If not, then, obviously the interpretations were erroneous. <br /><br />Meanwhile, I shall adhere to my present "cord count reduced right track" design in the hopes that it will finally yield an "acceptable" solution (which, for me, will be a glitch free WORKING simulation of one of Bessler's one-directional wheels).technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31245629888116131262012-07-30T06:48:21.053+01:002012-07-30T06:48:21.053+01:00Chris, 'if someone knows the secret of Bessler...Chris, 'if someone knows the secret of Bessler's invention, how it works or the principle it is based on, etc', I would know that they too, had understood the codes because that aren't imaginary. The reason for my confidence is that I am aware of many more pieces of code than I have published so far, which are confirmed and accurate. But this does not mean that there are not other ways of building a wheel which acted in the same way, superficially, as his, and if you feel that you have dicovered something of value then good luck to you, build it or publish it...and if you can prove that my codes are imaginary then I wish you more good luck. :-)<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-12820166658578782922012-07-30T06:42:24.341+01:002012-07-30T06:42:24.341+01:00Here we go again! These perpetual wheel problems n...Here we go again! These perpetual wheel problems never seem to end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-72648362513344079132012-07-30T03:24:44.618+01:002012-07-30T03:24:44.618+01:00actually "mettle" ...sorryactually "mettle" ...sorryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-57339190961715613342012-07-30T03:12:10.741+01:002012-07-30T03:12:10.741+01:00John ,
I have what I feel is a legitimate question...John ,<br />I have what I feel is a legitimate question for you . If someone knew the details of Bessler's invention , how it works or the principle it is based on , etc ... would you want to know even if it meant that your codes were imaginary and that your idea of the mechanism was totally wrong ? What would be more important to you ... your ideas or the actual device ? This goes for all the people at BW forum and anywhere who have made themselves concerned with Bessler although I don't want everyone , just John , to respond to this question . Whatever you think is an appropriate answer;like if you think I'm not qualified and therefore it's impossible for me to have the solution you can say so without worry of hurting my feelings or ego . If you think that no matter how many times I claim to have the solution I am probably wrong again that would be understandable also . But also remember that only one man in history had the "meddle" as he put it to solve this problem and he did so firstly almost exclusively by believing it was possible to begin with , secondly by determination and careful thought .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-43951461233388036872012-07-29T23:26:33.131+01:002012-07-29T23:26:33.131+01:00The german accent has me convinced .The german accent has me convinced .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-36633440680513051102012-07-29T21:49:25.603+01:002012-07-29T21:49:25.603+01:00"I zeen in zhe crystal vball somevone in ze e..."I zeen in zhe crystal vball somevone in ze englands vwas zuccessful in vreplicating zhe vessler vwheel"<br /><br />Read that, John? Sounds like your final wheel has GOT to work! This could be IT!technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-24582244042464711762012-07-29T21:33:21.110+01:002012-07-29T21:33:21.110+01:00News flash!
Something happened this morning durin...News flash!<br /><br />Something happened this morning during my modeling session with the 18 inch radius, one-directional "right track" design model wheel that I was working on.<br /><br />As I stared at the model with its 48 cords, I wondered how could Count Karl have looked at something like this and described it later to others as "simple"? The model I currently have has 48 cords distributed amoung several parallel layers and even I find it difficult to describe as "simple"!<br /><br />Then it hit me. What if I had been led into basing the 48 cord design I now have on some of Bessler's intentionally FALSE "decoy" clues instead of his correct clues?! Maybe what Karl saw and what I now have are NOT the same! As a matter of curiosity, I decided to take one of my past models that ALMOST kept the CoM of its weights on the descending side of the drum throughout a 45 degree increment of drum rotation, and ELIMINATE three sets of 8 cords, a total of 24 cords, from it that seemed to me to be "redundant" in one way or another. I then ran the simulation again and discovered that the elimination of these cords made NO difference as far as the stability of the CoM of the wheel's 8 weights was concerned!<br /><br />The implication of this experiment is that, quite possibly, Bessler's one-directional wheels or two-directional wheel's one-directional "sub wheels" ONLY contained 24 cords and NOT 48 as I have been believing, based on FALSE clues, for the last year or so! Indeed, the 24 cord version does look a LOT "simpler", especially because one can place all of the 24 cords into a SINGLE layer without having them rub against each other. Yes, I think that if Karl saw something like that, he would have had more reason to considered it "So simple...." and have been "surprised that no one else had ever thought of it" than if it had contained 48 cords.<br /><br />The only problem I have with this cord count reduction is that it eliminates that pretty pentagram that emerges from the 48 cord version. But, then again, MAYBE that pentagram is yet ANOTHER false "decoy" clue intended to lead later reverse engineering mobilists astray! Happily, this change in cord count does NOT require a significant modification in the "magic" lever design I have, it only reduces the number of cords connected to each lever. I'm starting to think that not only JC, but I also have been "hypnotized" by Bessler's FALSE pentagram clues! I am dubbing this bizarre psychological effect "Pentagammania" for lack of a better term.<br /><br />I shall, for the time being, begin working with the new reduced 24 cord version. This modification, however, does not make it any easier for me to find the "Secret Principle" because that principle, like the "Preponderance Principle", does not depend upon a wheel's cord count.technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-85236101303057935982012-07-29T15:01:36.172+01:002012-07-29T15:01:36.172+01:00I collected sunlight in a clear glass jar and used...I collected sunlight in a clear glass jar and used the sunlight to construct a time machine .Ealadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15244955937573785511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-64026340356923164472012-07-29T13:02:42.304+01:002012-07-29T13:02:42.304+01:00I zeen in zhe crystal vball somevone in ze england...I zeen in zhe crystal vball somevone in ze englands vwas zuccessful in vreplicating zhe vessler vwheel .Ealadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15244955937573785511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-74111135645764406222012-07-29T11:59:58.563+01:002012-07-29T11:59:58.563+01:00BTW, that tv interview I mentioned above about the...BTW, that tv interview I mentioned above about the myths concerning science and scientists was done with an author named Michael Brooks. For those that might want to obtain his recently published book, it is titled "Free Radicals: The Myth of Rational Science".technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59767788911521335032012-07-29T11:44:47.489+01:002012-07-29T11:44:47.489+01:00Wow! You're doing so much time traveling thro...Wow! You're doing so much time traveling through wormholes that you're starting to loose track of what centuries you're popping out into. Tell me, when those time travelers from the 21st century last contacted you, did they happen to mention if I would be successful in obtaining Bessler's "Secret Principle" so that I could finally complete 100% of my trip down the "right track" to a successful WORKING OB PM gravity wheel?<br /><br />Any advance information will be greatly appreciated!technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-90564890006091112472012-07-29T11:33:15.439+01:002012-07-29T11:33:15.439+01:00You have your definition of what a "mobilist&...You have your definition of what a "mobilist" is and I have mine. My definition of a mobilist is anybody who believes a mechanical PM device IS possible to construct and who ACTIVELY attempts to construct one or tries to determine how one might be constructed. I wouldn't want to say that a person is ONLY a mobilist AFTER he achieves the effect because, if I did, then I would have to acknowledge that, throughout history, there have only been TWO genuine mobilists!<br /><br />I never claim to be an "expert". In fact, even when (actually IF!) I finally make it to the end of the "right track" approach to solving the mystery of Bessler's wheels, I STILL won't be an expert. Just because one has a WORKING OB PM gravity wheel does not automatically mean that he understands ALL of the intricacies of its operation. However, I have no doubt that when capable people with training in mechanical engineering and physics are able to finally analyze a working design, they WILL eventually understand the intricacies of it. I mean they will be able to reduce its principles of operation to a set of precise engineering equations that will allow different and, hopefully, improved versions to be constructed.technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38004148200784261562012-07-29T11:20:34.024+01:002012-07-29T11:20:34.024+01:00Help!!,..John.Help!!,..John.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-7558180303202133512012-07-29T11:01:19.756+01:002012-07-29T11:01:19.756+01:00Ealadha should be banned from the internet .Ealadha should be banned from the internet .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-52682355805358307812012-07-29T10:06:28.849+01:002012-07-29T10:06:28.849+01:00Correction i meant the eighteenth century , the ti...Correction i meant the eighteenth century , the time travelers came through the wormholes in the eighteenth century and they told me all about the twenty first century .Ealadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15244955937573785511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-2322599509194894302012-07-29T09:50:24.193+01:002012-07-29T09:50:24.193+01:00Time travellers from the future used to come throu...Time travellers from the future used to come through vortex type wormholes , i used to talk to trees and plants ,i invented perpetual motion machines .<br />I time traveled to the future and spoke with HP before he developed the RV/time travel program , i already knew everything about him because the time travelers told me when they traveled back in time to the seventeenth century .<br />Its all true , i is not making it up .Ealadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15244955937573785511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-58773020548483861962012-07-28T21:33:19.323+01:002012-07-28T21:33:19.323+01:00Thanks for the search item, I've found it! whe...Thanks for the search item, I've found it! whew... not going mad then, its at: http://johncollinsnews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/my-wheel-update.html posted at 20.04 You can see there we think along similar lines possibly?<br />Regards<br />JonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-37840269766526065762012-07-28T20:21:19.236+01:002012-07-28T20:21:19.236+01:00Yes, sad, but true. A newbie mobilist who is &quo...Yes, sad, but true. A newbie mobilist who is "all fired up" over a design he doodled during his lunch break can be told by a 100 other mobilists with MILLENIA of cumulative experience that his design can NOT work and that they KNOW this FOR A FACT from their "OWN HANDS ON" experience with it. But, until the newbie actually builds it himself and tries EVERY possible variation he can think of will he finally believe and accept that it's a "non-runner".<br /><br />Most creative people tend to be "rebel types". They don't like taking advice or following orders especially from others whose motives and knowledge they question. That's why I will not be too dismayed if 99% of those reading my comments here ignore my "right track" approach to solving the Bessler wheel mystery. That is just "par for the course" as far as I am concerned. BUT, I know that there WILL be a VERY few out there who will be paying attention to what I'm writing. They are tired of the never ending failures of "wrong track" approaches and are looking for a truly NEW approach to follow. They instinctively realize that the "right track" approach MAY, indeed, be that approach.<br /><br />All will be revealed...in time.technoguynoreply@blogger.com