tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post2761328860776128626..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Bessler’s Pentagon Rotated.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-83153283816516582952020-06-17T19:00:44.253+01:002020-06-17T19:00:44.253+01:00Very interesting info as usual, SoS. But Bessler ...Very interesting info as usual, SoS. But Bessler was born in or around Zittau, Saxony and not in Gera, Saxony which is about 150 miles west of Zittau. But, it probably won't make much difference in his natal horoscope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38123090695522491492020-06-17T18:55:54.651+01:002020-06-17T18:55:54.651+01:00I’ve also checked two other prints and it isn’t on...I’ve also checked two other prints and it isn’t on them either. JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-71283178081143644782020-06-17T18:47:29.164+01:002020-06-17T18:47:29.164+01:00It doesn't show up in the image used on bwf:
...It doesn't show up in the image used on bwf:<br /><br />https://besslerwheel.com/wiki/images/b/b0/Merseburg_wheel1.jpg<br /><br />Might be due to a digital artifact in the version John uploaded which also looks too dark to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80092686086893029292020-06-17T18:31:40.675+01:002020-06-17T18:31:40.675+01:00@anon 09:38
I used an online orrery to check out ...@anon 09:38<br /><br />I used an online orrery to check out our solar system for late 1711/early 1712 when Bessler would have gotten his working pm wheel prototype running. I found something very interesting. The planets Saturn, Mars, and Jupiter were almost in perfect alignment! Saturn was on one side of the Sun and Mars and Jupiter on the other side. This is referred to as an "opposition" of Jupiter and Saturn and it happens about once every 20 years. Here's what astrologists expect to happen around that time:<br /><br />"Jupiter Opposition Saturn. Like most Oppositions there is a polarization between the two planets that cause you to bounce from one pole to the other and Jupiter Opposition Saturn is no exception. You tend to move from being very cautious and conservative to boundlessly optimistic and progressive."<br /><br />That would certainly describe Bessler around that time when he went from carefully working away on his prototype wheel and praying for success to finally achieving it and being overjoyed by his discovery.<br /><br />I was also able to use an interesting site called www.astrotheme.com to calculate Bessler's natal horoscope which tells the type of personality he would have in later life and which would be an important part of making his discovery. I guessed his actual birth date to be May 6th, 1680 at noon local Gera time, Germany time (I remember reading this date somewhere once). It's probably off a little, but this natal horoscope for him should be mostly accurate. It's amazing how well it describes his future personality! Here's some of what was predicted for him based on his astrological chart:<br /><br />Based on the Sun being in Taurus at the time of his birth:<br /><br />"You spend your fortune and your energy advisedly. You are realistic and you distrust revolutions, sudden changes and love at first sight. You are very attached to your roots and you create a steady basis for yourself. You may be considered to be stubborn and you grant your confidence after thorough reflection only. “Resistance” is Taurus’ keyword. This sign is believed to be untiring, hard-working and stable to the utmost. People readily credit you with the ability to remind everyone of the necessities of concrete situations and to moderate people’s excesses. In principle, you are apt for long-term management, you can protect the foundations of an activity as the reliable guardian of assets and the guarantor for stability. Your distrust for novelties is your strength. It requires much more than an alluring idea to persuade you to change your direction. Scepticism is a quality here: it is safer to take advantage of past experiences rather than to rely on very hypothetical sporadic strokes of luck. Taurus is not a weather wane! However, it is important that you learn to question yourself and to respond to new opportunities in a timely manner."<br /><br />And, based on having Leo as an ascending sign or "ascendant":<br /><br />"Your psychological nature is powerful and full of self-confidence. You are a leader whose strength and nobleness command your entourage’s respect and adherence, with unchallenged legitimacy. Your ability to order, the prestige and charisma that emanate continuously from your person inevitably put you, under the spotlight, wherever you go.<br /><br />With this Ascendant, you come across as proud, determined, wilful, loyal, solemn, generous, ambitious, courageous, heroic, full of vitality, creative, confident, seductive, happy, daring, majestic, honest, magnanimous, charismatic, responsible, noble, brilliant, radiant, dramatic, affectionate, full of humour, demonstrative, swaggering and self-confident. You can also be domineering, conceited, touchy, authoritarian, stubborn, intolerant, self-centered, irascible, violent, and nonchalant."<br /><br />The above was determined by using the complete astrological chart for him. Here's a link to that chart:<br /><br />https://www.astrotheme.com/chart/ZF4jZmbjAwN1ZGL4ZQRlZQNjZQNjZGNjZQNjZQN0ZwN4BN.png <br /><br />Sayer of SoothsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-57882267109947637302020-06-17T16:46:10.533+01:002020-06-17T16:46:10.533+01:00I'm sure that Bessler would have been well fam...I'm sure that Bessler would have been well familiar with hunting with a crossbow because, although firearms were coming into increasing use in his day, crossbows were still very popular in Europe, especially Germany, in the early 18th century. Here's an image I found of an early 18th century crossbow:<br /><br />https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/7baaf809-11e4-4a6c-b9ff-a4ff00a8eb95/da577c50-c5df-413f-960b-bddba20e01e7/540x360.jpg<br /><br />Here's some of the metal tips they used on their arrows which were usually referred to as "bolts":<br /><br />https://collectionapi.metmuseum.org/api/collection/v1/iiif/33742/66068/main-image<br /><br />Crossbows offered some advantages over guns for hunting. They almost never jammed up or misfired, were silent, quickly reloaded, and had low recoil. You need a minimum bolt speed of about 250 feet per second to kill a bear or deer with a hit to the heart or lungs and their crossbows could easily exceed that. Crossbows are still allowed for hunting in many parts of Europe today and those early ones are now considered as collectors items and fetch a high price if in good condition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-12199785233273632502020-06-17T16:18:32.666+01:002020-06-17T16:18:32.666+01:00Anon 22.22
RH46 was refering to Sayer Of Sooths, ...Anon 22.22<br /> RH46 was refering to Sayer Of Sooths, when he said "i think you have crossed it", refering to the line.<br /> John Collins, i think is hovering very close to the line, but i wouldn't say that he has definitely crossed it. because i don't know where the line really is. I am fully aware that we all put the line in different places and i can respect this.<br /> SOS's line is in a different universe, in my opinion, which is why i can't relate to it. i have had a few short visits to his universe and generally regret it and i am pleased to return to mine.<br /> RH46RH46https://www.blogger.com/profile/02447460278744997027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-79515459713115956892020-06-17T10:32:42.557+01:002020-06-17T10:32:42.557+01:00I included the 5 because it’s mentioned in the par...I included the 5 because it’s mentioned in the part list.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66194066679942772602020-06-17T10:31:08.257+01:002020-06-17T10:31:08.257+01:00I think it probably is a printing anomaly but I’ll...I think it probably is a printing anomaly but I’ll check some other versions of picture<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-43666469696424265832020-06-17T10:16:26.563+01:002020-06-17T10:16:26.563+01:00What's the figure beneath the 1 and the 8 on t...What's the figure beneath the 1 and the 8 on the left side of the main face wheel, level with the 10 at the axle? It doesn't look like a number and would change the number totals if it were. Could be a printing anomaly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-48841473988362475112020-06-17T09:46:46.917+01:002020-06-17T09:46:46.917+01:00Thanks John .. giving it some further thought perh...Thanks John .. giving it some further thought perhaps you found the number total 59 this way ?<br /><br />DT has 58 numbers used (by my reckoning) totaling 633. But there is no 5. If we leave a space for it then there are 25 'place holders' so to speak instead of 24 actual numbers used. So 58 + 1 place holder = 59, and 649 / 59 = 11.<br /><br />59 + 1 (for the missing 11) = 60, and 660 / 60 = 11.<br /><br />-f<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-50213264849284665342020-06-17T09:38:17.827+01:002020-06-17T09:38:17.827+01:00@ SoS - was there any auspicious astrological and ...@ SoS - was there any auspicious astrological and planetary lineup for Bessler in the year 1712, and any of the years in-between? You'd expect there would be for such a significant invention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-48909543695727805872020-06-17T08:47:05.845+01:002020-06-17T08:47:05.845+01:00I’ve added a better quality version of the GB illu...I’ve added a better quality version of the GB illustration in the blog for those who wish to study it.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59469731318953365292020-06-17T08:42:04.023+01:002020-06-17T08:42:04.023+01:00I’m not aware of anything concerning horses in Bes...I’m not aware of anything concerning horses in Bessler’s life, nor archery. I’m sure that he would have used horses from time to time to pull his wagons during moves. They were the only means of travelling. I’m sure he was aware of archery but I don’t recall him mentioning it.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73210261381738932712020-06-17T08:27:19.648+01:002020-06-17T08:27:19.648+01:00SoS writes "Sagittarius beside being a centau...SoS writes "Sagittarius beside being a centaur or half man and half horse, is a hunter who uses a bow and arrow."<br /><br />I am into archery using compound bows and I can tell you from personal experience that trying to hit a moving target while also moving, either on horseback or in a jeep, is next to impossible unless maybe you are Robin Hood or something. Maybe Bessler tried some game hunting on horseback and realized how difficult it was and that's why he was attracted to that sagitarius zodiac sign of a hunter whose human half fires the bow and whose horse half cases after the prey. Sagitarius's hunting with the bow and arrow could be Bessler's way of describing how difficult it is to find the secret of his wheels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-82264205980124429802020-06-17T06:32:36.556+01:002020-06-17T06:32:36.556+01:00I wanted to see how rare the planets Mars, Jupiter...I wanted to see how rare the planets Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn being all in Sagittarius at the same time was. Turns out it only happens once every 793 years! Then I wanted to see what "big" thing happened during the previous triple conjunction of those planets in Sagittarius which was in the year 1227. Only major thing I could find was the death of Genghis Khan (his real name was "Temujin") who was the founder of the Mongol Empire. He left his empire to his third son and over the next two hundred years his kids expanded it as far west as the city of Krakow in Poland. That empire was actually twice the size of the Ottoman Muslim Empire and four times the size of the Roman Empire! At one point he was the most powerful man on Earth. Now they are not even sure where he was buried! <br /><br />He was a ruthless warload type blamed for the deaths of up to 40 million people. But, he also did some positive things along the way such as:<br /><br />Established freedom of religion.<br />Banned torture.<br />Incorporated enemies into his armies.<br />Left conquered cities along.<br />Promoted people based on individual merit.<br />Outlawed slavery.<br />Established universal law and a universal writing system.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-53457956683920708732020-06-17T06:12:06.628+01:002020-06-17T06:12:06.628+01:00Prediction is notoriously difficult. Even with the...Prediction is notoriously difficult. Even with the benefit of hindsight, but especially about the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-10901449282153144822020-06-17T02:43:08.524+01:002020-06-17T02:43:08.524+01:00My brief astrological research revealed this rare ...My brief astrological research revealed this rare triple conjunction of Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn on March 26, 2020. Here's an interesting photo taken of the New York City skyline that shows the three planets which all appear in the constellation of Sagittarius:<br /><br />https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/Ms4A9NrbZymRuM2ZfN7WQC-970-80.jpg<br /><br />This particular conjunction for our year might have been what caused Bessler to make his 2020 prediction and hide it in the GB and DT Merseburg wheel drawings as well as the following qualities associated with the three planets which I found on the web: <br /><br />For Jupiter:<br /><br />"In Astrology, Jupiter is a planet of plenty. It is tolerant and expansive...Jupiter has generally been associated with good luck and bounty...The more negative manifestations of Jupiter include blind optimism, excess, and overindulgence. <br /><br />For Mars:<br /><br />"In astrology, Mars is the planet of energy, action, and desire. It is the survival instinct and can be thought of as the “leftover” animal nature of man...This is the planet of action rather than reaction. With Mars, there is no contemplation before action. The drive associated with Mars...is self-assertion rather than the assertion of the will; it is raw energy rather than creative energy."<br /><br />For Saturn:<br /><br />"In astrology, Saturn is associated with restriction and limitation. Where Jupiter expands, Saturn constricts. Although the themes of Saturn seem depressing, Saturn brings structure and meaning to our world. Saturn knows the limits of time and matter. Saturn reminds us of our boundaries, our responsibilities, and our commitments. It brings definition to our lives. Saturn makes us aware of the need for self-control and of boundaries and our limits."<br /><br />Also Sagittarius, beside being a centaur or half man and half horse, is a hunter who uses a bow and arrow. Bessler, IIRC, was into archery, horses, and hunting and would have been naturally drawn to this particular zodiac constellation. Perhaps he imagined the person finding the secret of his wheels to be like an archer who hunts for his prey and finally manages to find it and hit it with an arrow? Successfully hitting the animal with the arrow being symbolic of solving the Bessler wheel mystery. The triple planetary conjunction in the constellation of Sagittarius surely would have gotten his attention.<br /><br />Sayer of SoothsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-6900789797435942842020-06-17T01:31:09.774+01:002020-06-17T01:31:09.774+01:00RH46 wrote "Am i to assume that because my in...RH46 wrote "Am i to assume that because my intials are JG that there is no point in me wasting the last half of this year because it is sure i will fail? And that next year, and all the following years there is no point either, even for those who do have the magic initials?"<br /><br />IIRC that "magic initial" thing was started by SoS. He claimed that since 13 is an important number in the Bible and was important to Bessler, then someone whose two initials had alphanumeric values that added up to 13 was destined to rediscover Bessler's wheel. JC and KB both have that sum of 13 for their two initials. But I think SoS also suggested that if a pm wheel chaser's initials did not add up to 13, he could still discover a working pm wheel design, only it probably wouldn't be the same one Bessler had. So there is hope for the rest of us!<br /><br />But we also have to keep in mind that Bessler's two initials, JB, only added up to 12 and he is the one who discovered his working design! I'm less worried about clues, codes, fortune telling, numerology, and prophecies and mainly interested in RESULTS. They will speak louder than everything else put together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66875080317944876882020-06-17T01:25:53.237+01:002020-06-17T01:25:53.237+01:00Everything is up for discussion and debate until a...Everything is up for discussion and debate until a working wheel comes along. We're all trying to connect the dots to success. My point regularly made is you shouldn't pay too much heed imo to anything B. said or drew. However in JC's case he is sure that the DT image leads to some relevant wheel mechanics, and he's working thru his processes. So we follow along free to ask questions. Any one of us can misstep but you only find out from questions being asked testing assumptions. He probably has valid logical reasons. In this case to get the digit number totals of 649 in GB I needed 61 numbers (I could find). To get 633 I needed 58 in DT. That's why I question the use of those numbers to arrive at conclusions downstream from them. In anon's case zoom the image you have provided above to 150% (click on image and >control>+ a few times. Then ambiguity goes away. There are four clear 6's above the stampers. Two 7's on the axle at the left most pegs, and a 3 by the wheel in the same line. In the stamper box is a faint 5 which is clearer in better quality images available elsewhere (which I checked in JC's digital copy of GB).<br /><br />-fAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-2748627688170888852020-06-16T23:17:35.648+01:002020-06-16T23:17:35.648+01:00Here's the GB Merseburg wheel drawing from the...Here's the GB Merseburg wheel drawing from the BW forum:<br /><br />https://besslerwheel.com/wiki/images/b/b0/Merseburg_wheel1.jpg<br /><br />I can see how anon 22:22 would think that the two numbers on top of the left two stampers are 5's. They are not well formed. That may or may not have been intentional by Bessler. But anon 22:22 is right about the two 7's for the axle pegs though.<br /><br />That's the frustrating thing about Bessler's writings and drawings. There's enough ambiguity in them to let a hundred different people view them and then come to a hundred different conclusions as to what they mean. No way of telling who is right until a working wheel comes out of one of them. No working wheel = just a pile of guesses that has no more chance of being valid than anyone else's pile. At this point in time all John has is his particular pile of guesses. I'm sure over the years he's presented all of these elsewhere and got the same kinds of allergic reactions to them that he's getting now. When (if!) he gets his working wheel from them then the allergic reactions will come to stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-39685423474380284152020-06-16T22:49:51.122+01:002020-06-16T22:49:51.122+01:00You are wrong. Zoom in on the GB and DT images. Ab...You are wrong. Zoom in on the GB and DT images. Above the four stampers are four 6's. Below them on the axle are two pegs to the left marked as 7's. Also on the axle is a 3 in the same line to the right. There is only one 5 inside the stamper box in GB clearly not present in the DT image.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-35916702980284964782020-06-16T22:22:58.070+01:002020-06-16T22:22:58.070+01:00JC wrote: "He had included it in his GB pictu...JC wrote: "He had included it in his GB picture, but it was so obscure as to be easily missed."<br /><br />No it's not. You can easily make out two number 5's over the two stampers on the left.<br /><br />"Given his obsession with 55 (and mine) we should be looking for a number which might be a multiple of 55. The discovery of the clock suggests 12 times 55 to get 660, in which case we are encouraged to search for the missing numbers to accomplish that."<br /><br />Yes there are two 5's written next to each other in GB. There are also two 6's and two 7's next to each other. Why aren't you looking for multiples of 66 or 77?<br /><br />To me it sounds like you are just guessing at all of this because none of the sums of the numbers in either GB (649) or DT (633) actually is 660 exactly. If they added up to other numbers less than 660 you'd then be playing around with whatever numbers you could to try to force them to add up to 660. This is all pure guesswork that you seem to want everyone to accept as some sort of big discovery you've made. Sorry but I don't buy it and don't think anything real will ever come from any of it. I agree with RH46 who wrote:<br /><br />"...i do believe there may well be some things to be found, but there are limits and i think you have crossed them."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-91693065336977546492020-06-16T22:04:43.859+01:002020-06-16T22:04:43.859+01:00P.S. I should have said I get 58 numbers for DT + ...P.S. I should have said I get 58 numbers for DT + additional number eleven would equal potentially 59 numbers used.<br /><br />But I can't seem to get to 60 for 660 = 60 x 11 etc. I must be missing a logic jump somewhere ?<br /><br />-fAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73490653173053345952020-06-16T21:50:54.175+01:002020-06-16T21:50:54.175+01:00Mornin John .. thanks for pointing out where the 5...Mornin John .. thanks for pointing out where the 5 was in GB, I had forgotten.<br /><br />Like SoS I have no trouble following you to your digit total 660 for both GB and DT by way of your explanation of your interpretation of adding in the missing numbers. GB 649 + 11 = 660. DT 633 + 5 + 11 (16) + 11 = 660. N.B. the missing 18 is compensated for by the additional 18 in .. 42 - 24 = 18. So lots of reinforcement for 55 (5 x 11).<br /><br />What I'm about to comment on I don't think is being pedantic nor impacts greatly on your digit sum conclusions, but in the interests of reinforcement reliability, accuracy etc, it's probably worth discussing imo.<br /><br />JC wrote : ... "So, in the first drawing (GB) the numbers, composed from 59 numbers, add up to 649, which is, interestingly, equal to 59 x 11 (both prime numbers).<br /><br />... If, in the first drawing (GB), this (11) is added to the 649 of the first drawing it produces the number 660, and because we then have 60 numbers, 660 divided by 60 equals 11, but more interestingly, 660 divided by 12 equals 55 ! <br /><br />To recap, in the first drawing (GB) 649 = 59 x 11; add the missing 11, making 660 (60 x 11). The clock hints at 12, and 660 / 12 = 55 ! In the second drawing (DT) we can do the same. 633 + the missing 5 and the 11, plus the other 11 from the left side of the picture = 660. 660 divided by the twelve equals 55.<br /><br />I hope this clears up any confusion?"<br /><br /><br />I put together a spreadsheet for GB and DT. Looking at the frequency of numbers uses and totals etc etc.<br /><br />I get 61 numbers in GB to your 59. Add the missing eleven and that brings my total to 62 numbers v's your 60.<br /><br />Your analysis of 649 = 59 x 11 (both Prime Numbers) and 660 = 60 x 11 is certainly very tidy and does point to the use of Primes and 55 so it seems.<br /><br />My numbers of 649 = 61 x 10.64 and 660 = 62 x 10.65 is not, by far.<br /><br />Which number totals are correct to use ? I may have missed some reason you used 59 and 60 respectively ? Thanks.<br /><br />-fAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-64347297275436712020-06-16T20:02:32.366+01:002020-06-16T20:02:32.366+01:00Yes I does but it must be born in mind that gravit...Yes I does but it must be born in mind that gravity does all the lifting by virtue of the special configuration.Trevor daunceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08149270994604397879noreply@blogger.com