tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post334862830646450108..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Johann Bessler's Double Portrait.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73183546948874739682019-03-23T11:10:11.983+00:002019-03-23T11:10:11.983+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-30724412430559978552019-03-22T18:47:06.774+00:002019-03-22T18:47:06.774+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-91606546391728060532019-03-22T18:24:46.338+00:002019-03-22T18:24:46.338+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-6268777037250851702019-03-22T15:21:14.191+00:002019-03-22T15:21:14.191+00:00Primum movens”, is Latin, but originates from Anc...Primum movens”, is Latin, but originates from Ancient Greece (which I won’t paste here, and means, “that which moves without being moved”. This concept was first advanced by Aristotle as a primary cause , or first I caused cause, or move of all the motion in the universe.<br /><br />As is implicit in the words “the unmoved mover”, moves other things but is not itself moved by any other prior action. Thanks to Wikipedia.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-77116711970623778752019-03-22T03:14:18.488+00:002019-03-22T03:14:18.488+00:00what is this http://gravityelectric.com/what is this http://gravityelectric.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-6104099205194488382019-03-19T17:13:37.781+00:002019-03-19T17:13:37.781+00:00A potentially significant post has been made on ww...A potentially significant post has been made on www.besslerwheel.com.<br /><br />Ovaron posted the following:<br />"I think the english term "prime mover" does not describe what Bessler means. "Primum movens" (MT 15) literally means "at first moving".<br />Thus Besslers statement, "the weights which are resting below, they have to go up fast", also makes more sense. The first weight begins to move (fall), the other weight(s) remain at rest at the bottom during this movement of the first weight (primum movens)."<br /><br />If this is accurate, our whole idea of an OOB wheel with some type of add-on prime mover raising the weights is no longer valid.<br /><br />***********************************************<br /><br />John Collins what are your thoughts on this ???<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-28542778412634369902019-03-18T20:20:56.990+00:002019-03-18T20:20:56.990+00:00Do you have to manipulate gravity in order to get ...Do you have to manipulate gravity in order to get a gravity wheel to turn? Or do you have to manipulate the weights of wheel to get a gravity wheel to turn? The only way I can see a gravity wheel working is to be a clock maker using a spring that's wound up. I'm pretty sure Bessler had the same idea in mind. Perpetualmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11732817775886643377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-26256324602905683442019-03-17T06:33:45.895+00:002019-03-17T06:33:45.895+00:00Good suggestion Jon. I seem to remember someone t...Good suggestion Jon. I seem to remember someone trying to fit the AP wheel to another drawing but I can’t remember which.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-88167569756911216402019-03-17T02:47:18.871+00:002019-03-17T02:47:18.871+00:00Sam PeppiattSam PeppiattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-91680348199109656142019-03-17T00:05:35.963+00:002019-03-17T00:05:35.963+00:00I wonder if the same technique of 'cutting out...I wonder if the same technique of 'cutting out' a piece and viewing another page, somewhere else in the book could show something? maybe the black/white segmented circle pic? or any large pics resembling a head or face?<br />Regards<br />JonUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13763266729968085539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-75370422227149082242019-03-16T21:00:37.947+00:002019-03-16T21:00:37.947+00:00Maybe the hammerman toy has to do with parallel mo...Maybe the hammerman toy has to do with parallel motion. As they move they remain parallel with each other---------------------perhaps that is the significance of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-88321807284925121582019-03-16T17:24:16.156+00:002019-03-16T17:24:16.156+00:00Thank you GB. Fascinating to watch.
JCThank you GB. Fascinating to watch.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-48017703506672899202019-03-16T10:24:29.585+00:002019-03-16T10:24:29.585+00:00Maybe slightly off-topic, but it might be relevant...Maybe slightly off-topic, but it might be relevant: Who wants to see a chain flying up in the air? This surprised me!<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=IzQsYnLz2Gc<br /><br />GBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-9548612930737739132019-03-15T20:49:50.372+00:002019-03-15T20:49:50.372+00:00Or may be the wheel we see is a separate device? W...Or may be the wheel we see is a separate device? While one weight is lifting the other one in a see-saw type of a mechanism, they also apply forces to the external wheel ? The wheel we see may be just a free shell and the real mechanism is a perpetual see-saw? These are just of the top of my head.<br />yellownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-7906679970127713812019-03-15T18:41:17.544+00:002019-03-15T18:41:17.544+00:00Two things:
1) "upward impetus" and &qu...Two things:<br /><br />1) "upward impetus" and "downward impetus" could imply "outward impetus" and "inward impetus", possible an interpretation error or Bessler's way of making the statement.<br /><br />2) There are several lever toys similar in action to the hammermen toy. It could be that Bessler chose that specific toy, and the anvil and hammers are not really an integral part of the movement. I would not assume that impact is key feature in the toy when it could be the see-saw action. The hammerman could be camouflage for the movement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-87683172076113236542019-03-15T15:53:24.683+00:002019-03-15T15:53:24.683+00:00"one weight is giving an upward impetus-anoth..."one weight is giving an upward impetus-another,at the same time,is giving an equal downward impetus"<br />This is a very bold claim by Bessler. They somehow both rotate the wheel and carry the weight of one another... Or there may be a translation error I am not sure.yellownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-79172251065110494722019-03-14T16:46:18.730+00:002019-03-14T16:46:18.730+00:00RAF, In my opinion this is not JB’s intended inter...RAF, In my opinion this is not JB’s intended interpretation of the blacksmith hammers in MT 138,139,140 or 141.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-75782953894782734972019-03-14T15:56:52.096+00:002019-03-14T15:56:52.096+00:00RAF Greetings John, Concerning these 2 statemen...RAF Greetings John, Concerning these 2 statements:....."alternatively gravitating to the center and climbing back up again" and "one weight is giving an upward impetus-another,at the same time,is giving an equal downward impetus"---is Mr. Bessler showing us this movement using a pair of blacksmith hammers in M.T.138? Does your design include this? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-33021029524675316172019-03-13T15:22:29.795+00:002019-03-13T15:22:29.795+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38829777477627320322019-03-13T14:15:39.851+00:002019-03-13T14:15:39.851+00:00Ah Stephen, you’re so mysterious! I deliberately ...Ah Stephen, you’re so mysterious! I deliberately wrote the most basic obvious conclusion about the meaning of the two portraits. I know there is much more to them.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-68291581006799131192019-03-13T11:07:03.002+00:002019-03-13T11:07:03.002+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.com