tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post3590586568634878098..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Stating the Obvious About Johann Bessler’s Wheel.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69472388136189636672021-11-18T02:59:43.611+00:002021-11-18T02:59:43.611+00:00@JEEB1717
Although some are doubtful of your clai...@JEEB1717<br /><br />Although some are doubtful of your claims about the book, I'm sure that most here do want to see more of whatever you are willing to share with us. It is easy for others to criticize you because they are not you. I'm sure that you have your reasons for how you are presenting the information about those early Bessler sketches that are important to you and I respect your reasons whatever they may be.<br /><br />Yes! We could all certainly use a nice "special" Christmas gift from Bessler...even those here who are not Christians or only celebrate the holidays in a secular way. I'm sure that holiday was a very special one for Bessler. But, hopefully we won't have to wait a whole month for that next special gift and you can send us one or two more before Christmas? That would really be nice, but it is, of course, up to you to decide what and when to send anything to us. Whatever you decide to do, most of us are grateful for what you have shared so far. Thank you!<br /><br /><br />Anonymous and PROUD of it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-68182493716002558612021-11-13T08:00:02.349+00:002021-11-13T08:00:02.349+00:00Clearly JEEB1717 is reading the comments, how else...Clearly JEEB1717 is reading the comments, how else can he know some of us doubt his story about the book? So he can read or translate when he wants to.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-37042520077157493602021-11-13T07:46:26.914+00:002021-11-13T07:46:26.914+00:00Thanks fletch. I’ll set the sigh-in requirement, ...Thanks fletch. I’ll set the sigh-in requirement, at least we’ll have a better idea of who is commenting.<br /><br />Anon 04.26 or Ken, your constant use of the word ‘gift’ betrays you. Fletch’s support for signing-in does not mean he is trying to sabotage anything, other than your attempts at being anonymous<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69111187325491013672021-11-13T07:40:37.733+00:002021-11-13T07:40:37.733+00:00Translation of above. BTW why can’t he do his own...Translation of above. BTW why can’t he do his own translation via google, this is an English language blog? <br /><br />“ To all of my good Bessler friends here.<br /><br />I don't blame those who doubt my story about the book. Sometimes I can't believe it myself. But then I hold the book in my hand and say yes it is real! When I am in the same room with the book, I have the feeling that Bessler's soul is also in the room. It's a magical feeling that I get. Perhaps the soul is drawn to Bessler's Lost Book? I don't know much about such things.<br /><br />If my gifts from him are still welcome here next month, then I have a very special Christmas present from Bessler for you all! Hans has to do a lot of work to do the drawing for this present. I just hope he won't stop helping me when he sees what I want from him!”<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-26417764645302868262021-11-13T05:35:21.551+00:002021-11-13T05:35:21.551+00:00@anon04:26 What exactly is John's agenda? If...@anon04:26 What exactly is John's agenda? If he has one no one here seems to know what it is. Right now the possibility of those drawings from a lost Bessler book being genuine and delivered to us as gifts is probably the most interesting thing to show up on this tired blog in months. Like others I want to see more of them. Why are you encouraging John to try to sabotage that? What's your agenda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-72246184073824699752021-11-13T04:53:17.748+00:002021-11-13T04:53:17.748+00:00An alle meine guten Bessler freunde hier.
Ich mac...An alle meine guten Bessler freunde hier.<br /><br />Ich mache denen keinen vorwurf die an meiner geschichte uber das buch zweifeln. Manchmal kann ich es selbst nicht glauben. Aber dann halte ich das buch in den handen und sage ja es ist echt! Wenn ich mit dem Buch im selben raum bin habe ich das gefuhl dass auch der seele von Bessler im raum ist. Es ist ein magisches gefuhl das ich bekomme. Vielleicht wird der seele von Bessler verlorenen buch angezogen? Ich weiss nicht viel uber solche dinge.<br /><br />Wenn meine geschenke von ihm nachsten monat hier noch willkommen sind dann habe ich fur euch alle ein ganz besonderes weihnachtsgeschenk von Bessler! Um die zeichnung fur dieses geschenk anzufertigen muss Hans viel arbeit leisten. Ich hoffe nur dass er nicht aufhort mir zu helfen wenn er sieht was ich von ihm will!<br /><br /><br />JEEB1717Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-81185131233395903592021-11-13T04:26:44.150+00:002021-11-13T04:26:44.150+00:00Case in point John .. whether it is KB or someone ...Case in point John .. whether it is KB or someone deliberately attempting to wind you up do not empower them any longer. Take control of your blog and instigate the sign-in requirement, imo. Ask yourself why these Anon posters MUST incessantly turn the topic back to the one-who-shall-remain-nameless. He, or they, have agendas and its not your agenda. Just about every topic gets polluted and goes off track which is what they want.<br /><br />-fAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59341041929277690942021-11-13T02:53:14.256+00:002021-11-13T02:53:14.256+00:00@anon 20:36
Some think that John suffers from a ki...@anon 20:36<br />Some think that John suffers from a kind of seasonal delusional disorder that they call "KDS" which stands for "Ken Derangement Syndrome". It usually flares up in the second half of a year. When it does, John begins imagining that anyone posting here anonymously who writes more than a single intelligent sounding sentence is probably secretly Ken B. If his post mentions Ken B, his version of Bessler's wheel, or his book on Bessler, then that greatly increases the probability of him being Ken B in John's mind. If he then says anything even slightly complimentary about any of those, then that confirms 100% to John's mind that the poster must be Ken B!<br /><br />KDS causes John to start accusing anonymous posters of being Ken B, start deleting posts that well meaning people have spent their time creating, removing the comment sections from the blogs, requiring sign in, etc. all while saying insulting things about Ken B behind his back. Apparently, these immature reactions give him some relief from the disorder. But, there's no need to be too concerned about him because, like a fever, the flare up eventually passes and he gets back to normal again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-13888522304218739552021-11-12T20:52:57.231+00:002021-11-12T20:52:57.231+00:00Give up Ken, you’re not fooling anybody with your ...Give up Ken, you’re not fooling anybody with your nonsense. If you don’t stop I have a several options. I can simply delete everything you write - I can require that everyone sign in- or I can stop all comments. Now go away and take your fake personas with you. You are just a troll<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-61111132836206550132021-11-12T20:36:16.985+00:002021-11-12T20:36:16.985+00:00I think JEEB1717 is way too smart to even start pl...I think JEEB1717 is way too smart to even start playing the "I'm not quite convinced it's real yet, so please send me even more information game" with John and others here. He seems to have put a strict limit on what he will show us and how it will be shown and we have decide whether or not to respect that limit. If we do, he will probably continue the flow of "gifts" to us and if we don't, then he'll probably stop it. <br /><br />Ultimately, it is up to each of us as he unwraps one of those gifts to decide if it's genuine or not. Yes, all that glitters is not gold, but if one is in a hurry to throw away what he believes must be brass, he might actually be throwing away some gold with it! <br /><br />So far I've read nothing in JEEB1717's description of how he obtained those previously lost Bessler sketches that could not have happened exactly as he said it did. Also, the two drawings based on two of the sketches in the book he claims to now own certainly look like something that Bessler would have made. I think anyone wanting to be fair should be willing to see what other gifts JEEB1717 may have for us. If they are genuine, then this is a once in a century opportunity to obtain additional information about a big blind spot in the life of Bessler which is what kind of pm principles he was thinking about around the year 1705 or seven years before he finally found his runner. Throwing such an opportunity away because of the paranoia of ONE person here would be a real shame, imo. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-79542082540992880322021-11-12T20:22:19.512+00:002021-11-12T20:22:19.512+00:00Yes, he is the clown in the circus he created.Yes, he is the clown in the circus he created.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-25112259105263348852021-11-12T20:15:24.920+00:002021-11-12T20:15:24.920+00:00If JEEB1717 (aka Ken) really believed in his desig...If JEEB1717 (aka Ken) really believed in his design, he would have created his own blog or website. Further, if he had any followers willing to listen to his theories, they would be. Instead, he squats here living off the notoriety of JC hoping someone will take interest in his wheel, but we know that is not going to happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69038106289158219862021-11-12T18:17:06.109+00:002021-11-12T18:17:06.109+00:00If JEEB1717 is for real and not a translation prog...If JEEB1717 is for real and not a translation program he will have no problem signing in. He has always had other choices about where to share information if he doesn't like this one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-24507813559970908702021-11-12T04:21:07.921+00:002021-11-12T04:21:07.921+00:00I think JC should apologize for all those offensiv...I think JC should apologize for all those offensive things he's been saying about JEEB1717 who really didn't have to provide us with any new information about Bessler. I'm sure if the situation was reversed and JEEB1717 was calling JC a hoaxer and a scammer he would be offended too. I agree with anon 08:42. There's some sort of envy thing going on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-85266111198121737042021-11-11T23:25:25.258+00:002021-11-11T23:25:25.258+00:00John needs to be careful that he does not offend &...John needs to be careful that he does not offend "JEEB1717" too much with his constant and unfair accusations of him being a hoaxer, a liar, and a scammer. There is no proof of any of that. I think if he does take offense like many others would, then he may decide not to give us any more of those Bessler gifts whether he can provide them here anonymously or not. He may decide that he made a big mistake in thinking this blog was the best place to begin releasing that new information. That would be a real tragedy and all due to one person's obvious and irrational paranoia about someone who hasn't been here in years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-45725482851324404962021-11-11T23:21:53.342+00:002021-11-11T23:21:53.342+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-60300359937824209852021-11-11T22:32:33.562+00:002021-11-11T22:32:33.562+00:00I guess JEEB1717 wouldn’t wish to sign in here, we...I guess JEEB1717 wouldn’t wish to sign in here, we’d find out that it was Ken and that’s his rare book a scam.<br /><br />What he doesn’t seem to get is that I recognise his writing style, he can’t hide it, so deny all you want Ken, I know you are hanging around here like a bad smell. <br /><br />JC<br />John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-21088565574267884502021-11-11T20:51:41.073+00:002021-11-11T20:51:41.073+00:00This bog has been the domain of the haters and the...This bog has been the domain of the haters and the liars where the loonies run the asylum. JC legacy deserves better than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-90212626553785281762021-11-11T20:27:12.454+00:002021-11-11T20:27:12.454+00:00Hey, anon 19:18, you didn't sign in. I guess ...Hey, anon 19:18, you didn't sign in. I guess that means that you are not a "bona fide person"! Lol!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73498767860190188862021-11-11T20:20:24.314+00:002021-11-11T20:20:24.314+00:00I think if any kind of sign in is required here, t...I think if any kind of sign in is required here, then that makes tracing the identity and location of a poster possible and that is something that JEEB1717 looks like he wants to avoid at all costs to maintain the security on that rare Bessler book he claims to own. He probably won't be doing it and will immediately cut off the supply of those future "Bessler gifts" he's promised us. Many here seem eager to see more of them. I know I do. Is it worth it to kill the goose that's laying golden eggs for us just because you have some paranoid feeling that Ken B is secretly posting here anonymously? From what I've heard about him, he's convinced that he's already solved Bessler's wheels. If so, then why would he need to come here or to any other pm site to make posts? That makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-60351497244639855152021-11-11T19:18:51.780+00:002021-11-11T19:18:51.780+00:00Good decision John .. any bona fide person will ha...Good decision John .. any bona fide person will have no problem signing in to increase the integrity of your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-53202821431723930972021-11-11T09:58:41.947+00:002021-11-11T09:58:41.947+00:00Hmm, I think that if you Ken, or your alter ego JE...Hmm, I think that if you Ken, or your alter ego JEEB1717, wish to post more pictures all you have to do sign in as you need to do with most forums and blogs. <br /><br />I did try it in the past and no it wasn’t a disaster, but I felt I owed to the honest commenters to open the blog up to comments again, without having to sign in.<br /><br />I really can’t see why you are so desperate unless of course you need the cloak of anonymity to keep your identity secret.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-23397934303645113802021-11-11T08:42:26.512+00:002021-11-11T08:42:26.512+00:00If you do that some will say that your own "a...If you do that some will say that your own "agenda" is to really keep JEEB1717 from giving us anymore of those Bessler gifts that he has hinted he would. They will say that you are burning with envy that such a valuable source of information was found by someone else and that he is apparently not concerned about getting your approval of the information. IIRC you tried this tactic in the past and it was a disaster then for this blog. Do you want to risk repeating that past mistake? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59646416034582046622021-11-11T07:46:15.776+00:002021-11-11T07:46:15.776+00:00I have a suspicion that there is more than one per...I have a suspicion that there is more than one person posting here who is actually Ken Behrendt and I’ve put up with it for too long. From my next blog I shall be requiring commenters to sign in and perhaps it will reduce the number of anonymous posters with their own agenda, from posting here.<br /><br />I shall reconsider removing the sign-in requirement after a while but I know from the statistics that far more people read the blogs than comment, but I shall regret having to remove the free-for-all nature of the anonymous comments. I’ve always enjoyed the ideas and comments but the very few who abuse the facility spoil it for the majority.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19567546495358175442021-11-11T00:49:20.343+00:002021-11-11T00:49:20.343+00:00I think that JEEB1717 realizes how dangerous it is...I think that JEEB1717 realizes how dangerous it is to have that rare book in his home and providing us with some enhanced drawings of its pencil sketches as "gifts" from Bessler could be his way of insuring that at least the early mechanical pm principles Bessler explored will not be completely lost in case the book is somehow actually destroyed. Also, JEEB1717 might feel guilty about having sole access to these early pencil sketches at this time. <br /><br />In any event I'm sure he has his reasons for picking this particular blog to use as an outlet for the drawings. Maybe he knows that many here will be copying the image files he's linking to so that, even if his book is destroyed and this blog disappears someday, the drawings will live on. Now I'm wondering how many he intends to reveal to us. FAWK, he could have dozens of those gifts planned for us. Needless to say, I will be visiting this blog far more frequently than I have in the past and will also mention it to my friends who are interested in pm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com