tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post3754273991419930115..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: We Perpetual Motionists Dare to Dream the Impossible.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31155686256599467182021-03-16T10:41:39.921+00:002021-03-16T10:41:39.921+00:00I don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to your ...I don’t know why I’m bothering to respond to your speculations Ken, but I guess you’re entitled to speculate in the absence of evidence and there isn’t any.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-71191398312919042702021-03-16T08:16:01.081+00:002021-03-16T08:16:01.081+00:00I carefully measured the height of that window and...I carefully measured the height of that window and it was just a little larger than the radius of the Kassal wheel. If as BC suggested the drum was cut into two equal pieces, then each one could have been passed through that window. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-63031452054925857962021-03-16T08:08:05.409+00:002021-03-16T08:08:05.409+00:00Hi all, please feel free to comment again. The alt...Hi all, please feel free to comment again. The alternative sign in options were too unpopular so it’s back to anonymous comments.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73405942664650721272021-03-15T02:32:04.757+00:002021-03-15T02:32:04.757+00:00The animation from Zimmermann is pretty cool. The...The animation from Zimmermann is pretty cool. The lift at the bottom and the lift at the top will require a lot of force. But I liked the actionGravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-90874829576021152332021-03-14T03:20:55.058+00:002021-03-14T03:20:55.058+00:00That band you see on the end of the Kassel wheel a...That band you see on the end of the Kassel wheel axle might be similar to this steel band around the hub of an old wooden wagon wheel. It reinforced the hub so its wood did not split when a heavy load was placed in the wagon that then pressed the axle pivot down against the inside of the hub.<br /><br />https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/rusty-wooden-wagon-wheels-strolling-old-town-phoenix-arizona-came-across-abandoned-how-many-miles-did-carry-covered-95743414.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-6681479613138109992021-03-14T01:48:03.396+00:002021-03-14T01:48:03.396+00:00I noticed something interesting in that DT picture...I noticed something interesting in that DT picture of the Kassel wheel where its working different machines. Look at the right end of the axle of the left side drawing of the wheel. There's some sort of band surrounding the end of the axle. It looks like there might also be a similar band around the end of the other side of the axle. I think they were metal collars that were put around the ends of the axle. <br /><br />They might have been put there to reinforce the ends of the axle and keep the wood there from splitting when the weight of the wheel and axle was put on the two axle pivots. I think this tends to support the 1100 pound weight for the Kassel wheel because we don't see these small collars around the ends of the Merseburg wheel's axle which was probably a lighter wheel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-70700498196257870572021-03-13T19:34:39.651+00:002021-03-13T19:34:39.651+00:00His drawing is nice and shows a new approach. It ...His drawing is nice and shows a new approach. It looks like he thinks the weight of a wood stamper on an axle peg could be used to shift the weights around inside of a wheel's drum to cause it to become overbalanced. The problem with this is that for it to work those pegs in the axle would have to be in slots so they could twist about when they were lifting a stamper and the axle would mostly be hollow which would greatly weaken it. I'm sure they examined those axle pegs carefully during official tests and they were solidly fixed into the axle. And how would he explain a wheel being able to run when the stamping machine wasn't attached to the axle?<br /><br />Bessler CuriousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69699485634541419362021-03-13T18:56:59.107+00:002021-03-13T18:56:59.107+00:00In English PG wrote:
"Sorry Stephen Glorioso...In English PG wrote:<br /><br />"Sorry Stephen Glorioso I don't understand what you mean by studying planes carefully, otherwise I appreciate your deductions. Greetings."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-29410390959151393722021-03-13T18:53:01.069+00:002021-03-13T18:53:01.069+00:00It looks like he's trying to achieve Bessler&#...It looks like he's trying to achieve Bessler's dream of informing the entire world about his wheels but by using the internet instead of pamphlets. Bessler would have done the same if he had the internet back then. However, he certainly wouldn't be giving the secret away so cheaply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-25318509919801455882021-03-13T15:56:08.913+00:002021-03-13T15:56:08.913+00:00Yes, the Behrendt curse, there is no escaping it--...Yes, the Behrendt curse, there is no escaping it-----------------SamSam Peppiattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-16427878093537857822021-03-13T14:02:15.333+00:002021-03-13T14:02:15.333+00:00I removed the google sign in requirement, because ...I removed the google sign in requirement, because either no one could get in or it’s a quiet day? 😃<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13935544689027611309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-55742755480909330682021-03-13T10:16:31.865+00:002021-03-13T10:16:31.865+00:00As an experiment I’ve required a google sign in. I...As an experiment I’ve required a google sign in. If anyone finds that too troublesome let me know and I’ll try using member sign in. Thanks.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13935544689027611309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-56438627970588136522021-03-13T09:57:43.998+00:002021-03-13T09:57:43.998+00:00I’m not sure yet. It looks as though it has to be...I’m not sure yet. It looks as though it has to be one or the other but not both. I’ll look into it but if you have any preference let me know.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13935544689027611309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-72018043249756121882021-03-13T08:51:14.778+00:002021-03-13T08:51:14.778+00:00Scusa Stephen Glorioso non capisco cosa vuoi dire ...Scusa Stephen Glorioso non capisco cosa vuoi dire con studiare attentamente gli aerei, per il resto apprezzo le tue deduzioni Saluti.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15505332876922885641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-55633520016968537282021-03-13T07:50:11.540+00:002021-03-13T07:50:11.540+00:00would this be a google account , or a members sign...would this be a google account , or a members sign in ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-26508610385767848512021-03-13T06:38:48.660+00:002021-03-13T06:38:48.660+00:00In response to yet more comments posted by Ken B u...In response to yet more comments posted by Ken B under various pseudonyms, I have decided I shall have to ask people to sign in to post comments. I have resisted this action for almost ten years and it is with regret that I am forced to take this action. I’ve tolerated the occasional negative comments aimed at me by others, I’ve even deleted a few, but Ken’s persistent refusal to either sign in or stop promoting his book has persuaded me that signing is the only solution.<br /><br />I won’t require a sign in until the next blog is posted.<br /><br />JC<br />John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-18271028060647711092021-03-13T05:33:54.233+00:002021-03-13T05:33:54.233+00:00Create his own blog to "advance and advertise...Create his own blog to "advance and advertise" his design? Lol! Why would he bother doing that when he already has google doing it for him 24/7? Think I'm kidding? Just google "bessler's wheel" and see what comes up at the top of the first search page. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-42954803528634842062021-03-13T02:30:56.175+00:002021-03-13T02:30:56.175+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-24064787811877272692021-03-13T01:27:22.521+00:002021-03-13T01:27:22.521+00:00In case no one's seen this yet, a Bessler pm w...In case no one's seen this yet, a Bessler pm wheel chaser from Germany named Alois Zimmermann mentioned over at BW forum that he thinks he's found a way Bessler could have shifted the weights around inside of his wheel's drum to keep them out of balance. He thinks those pegs on the axle that lifted the wood stampers were somehow involved. He gave a link to the webpage on his site were he describes how it was done:<br /><br />http://www.heizungsvergleich.de/bessler/falltime.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-79480213232475546052021-03-13T01:02:27.137+00:002021-03-13T01:02:27.137+00:00@BC
You forgot to mention that once the two halves...@BC<br />You forgot to mention that once the two halves of the drum were inside of the top room, Bessler and his brother would have had to reattach them to the axle by themselves since they wouldn't want strangers involved doing that who might see something they weren't supposed to see. They probably also would have covered over the cut open middle of each half drum piece with cloth so the workmen wouldn't be able to look inside of them while they were being hoisted up to the room. <br /><br />If the half drum pieces didn't have a lot of metal parts in them yet they could have done that by using overhead pulleys to lift each one up against the bottom of the mounted axle to reattach it. Maybe they were held to the axle with some sort of L shaped metal brackets that were screwed down against the wood of the axle? But then they would have to join together any cuts they made to the wooden frame pieces of the drum. Maybe they just glued the cut ends together or used little metal plates held to the wood with screws?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-87077490740719622402021-03-13T00:09:28.026+00:002021-03-13T00:09:28.026+00:00Anon 18:29 probably used a beam a foot wide by hal...Anon 18:29 probably used a beam a foot wide by half a foot thick by 14 feet long which gives the volume of the wood per beam as 7 cubic feet and would double your estimate to 314 pounds. For an 1100 pound wheel your beams would probably be too small.<br /><br />I've been thinking about how Bessler would have moved the Kassel wheel from a ground floor up to a top floor at the castle. I think anon 18:29's suggestion of using the pulley outside the window would work. They would have had to make sure that the pulley and its support could hold at least 400 pounds. Bessler and his brother would then have removed all of the lead weights and any steel springs from the drum and then carefully cut the drum into two half pieces. Each half piece would have been removed from the axle. The axle would then have been taken off of the supports and the 14 foot long supports removed from between the floor and ceiling of wherever the wheel was located on the castle's ground level.<br /><br />They would have employed laborers to first hoist the two beams up to the room near the roof, pull them in through the window, and put them in place between floor and ceiling. Next, the axle would have been hoisted up and mounted between the beams. Then each half of the drum went up. Those halves were 12 feet long by 6 feet in radius so the window would have to have been at least 6 feet high for them to go through them. They had tall windows in those old castles so that probably could have been done. Finally, Bessler and his brother would have sent up boxes with the weights and springs inside of them. Once the laborers were gone, the two would have installed the weights and springs, reconnected any previously removed cords when the drum was cut in two, and the wheel would have been ready to go.<br /><br />If they were working at this daily, the entire move and reassembling of the Kassal wheel on the castle's top floor could probably have been done in only one week! I think Bessler was the type who liked to get results as quick as possible and such a quick move would have impressed the count who was paying for everything.<br /><br />Bessler CuriousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80006189047638679762021-03-12T21:50:44.730+00:002021-03-12T21:50:44.730+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19963567619847086592021-03-12T20:50:22.844+00:002021-03-12T20:50:22.844+00:00Ken B.
Why don't you create your own blog? Th...Ken B.<br /><br />Why don't you create your own blog? This really isn't the place to post ideas about your design.<br /><br />If you create your own blog, everyone interested can visit and post comments specific to your build, and you can freely post your views. If you want to advance and advertise your design (or what you think is Bessler's design) this seems the best way to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-66830656102911139592021-03-12T19:32:10.314+00:002021-03-12T19:32:10.314+00:00I think you over estimated the weight of a fourtee...I think you over estimated the weight of a fourteen foot oak beam, measuring six inches by six inches. I find that a cubic foot of freshly sawn oak weights about 45 pounds. Three and a half cubic feet of oak would weigh about 157 pounds, not 300. If it’s seasoned wood and dried out a bit it could be much less.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-75942865500190047782021-03-12T18:29:37.099+00:002021-03-12T18:29:37.099+00:00I'm trying to figure out how Bessler managed t...I'm trying to figure out how Bessler managed to get the two vertical support beams up to the top floor of the castle for his wheel. They probably weighed about 300 pounds each and were about 14 feet long each! How did they get them up stairs, around corners, and through small doors? Maybe that pulley we see outside of the window was originally used to lift them up from the courtyard and then somehow they were able to pull them in through the window? Kind of like how they used to move pianos to the upper floors of buildings. Just installing those two supports alone would have required a huge effort. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com