tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post3759096568142225319..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: The Legend of Johann Bessler’s Perpetual Motion Machine.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-36189629722602123542020-01-19T14:06:14.557+00:002020-01-19T14:06:14.557+00:00Suresh, It's a harsh business. In a way they a...Suresh, It's a harsh business. In a way they are right-------------------SamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-56705129967990189682020-01-19T01:39:58.685+00:002020-01-19T01:39:58.685+00:00Sam...I am, atleast, grateful to you for acknowled...Sam...I am, atleast, grateful to you for acknowledging my opinion... You will definitely not be disappointed from my side, and that is my promise...<br /><br />I am not very pleased by the other reactions... though...<br /><br />Even if I make an attempt to enlighten, the reaction from others won't be any better...<br /><br />Trevor tried to do it and he was immediately downplayed...<br /><br />Don't you see all this, dear...<br /><br />Do you still think the time and conditions are right here???... For the great revelation...<br /><br />What happened to Bessler finally?<br />And, christ?<br /><br />I am happy that you sometimes believe me but, at the same time, I am not so pleased when you fail to see the point in others reaction to my advice for you...<br /><br />I really will enlighten you dear the day you really realize whom really to trust here...<br /><br />At the moment, you are no different from gravitea...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-8869400059714946822020-01-18T20:35:39.909+00:002020-01-18T20:35:39.909+00:00Lol! Sam, don't hold your breath while waitin...Lol! Sam, don't hold your breath while waiting for SK to "enlighten us". He's really no different than that other time waster SG and is able to type out hundreds of words without saying anything relevant about Bessler's wheels. They are not here to contribute to the blog's topic but just to tell everyone that they are smarter than them and way ahead of them because they have already solved Bessler's wheels. When it comes time to prove it, though, they quickly make excuses or just disappear. Makes you wonder how many other blogs they visit daily using different fake usernames to keep playing their same little ego tripping games on them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-5681252945211273342020-01-18T19:48:28.123+00:002020-01-18T19:48:28.123+00:00Suresh, Right, there is a lot of truth to what you...Suresh, Right, there is a lot of truth to what you say. I could do better.<br /><br />And, as John Collins has suggested; please enlighten us!! SamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-58299839105304365172020-01-18T19:37:12.403+00:002020-01-18T19:37:12.403+00:00Go ahead; add insult to injury---------------not a...Go ahead; add insult to injury---------------not anonymous. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80332737016508048802020-01-18T19:24:36.733+00:002020-01-18T19:24:36.733+00:00With all due respect Suresh, you have a very pat...With all due respect Suresh, you have a very patronising style, treating people as if they are clueless and without the kind of common sense and general knowledge I know my readers share. You should respect people who have spent many years chasing this elusive secret and accept that your way is not necessarily their’s. You appear to give the impression that you know the secret of Bessler’s wheel, if you believe that then what are you waiting for? Publish it.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-18937196773470925852020-01-18T19:20:34.081+00:002020-01-18T19:20:34.081+00:00Suresh Kumar wrote "when you see the actual s...Suresh Kumar wrote "when you see the actual secret design you will know that it can never fail to rotate even before the build." I get that same feeling when watching the Ken Behrendt youtube wheel video! He has either got it or very close to it, imo. Best of luck to him with it.<br /><br /><br />@ Sam There's no shame in quitting after 58 years of trying. The real quitters out there quit before they even start or less than a month after starting because they did not get the instant success they were sure they had to get because they think they are smarter than everyone else. Sometimes we are not quitting but taking a vacation for a while to clear the brain of all the wheels we filled it with that didnt work in the past and cant work no matter how much we tweek them. Once your brain is cleared out you can start fresh again and try something you didnt think of in the past. Sometimes we get addicted to certain approaches like they are a drug and get stuck and stupid with them. A short vacation can help us get unstuck. But if your vacation lasts longer than a year your really retired even if you dont know it yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-43116169226995324942020-01-18T19:15:33.348+00:002020-01-18T19:15:33.348+00:00I agree Sam, neither of us are quitters, we just d...I agree Sam, neither of us are quitters, we just don’t trust Sims. My next blog will show why a sim would be difficult to use........unless you had do a lot of hands on building.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-13998430451953362402020-01-18T19:05:52.657+00:002020-01-18T19:05:52.657+00:00Sam... first of all we have got to start by unders...Sam... first of all we have got to start by understanding the Force of gravity... it's nature... How it attracts and acts on falling bodies...we have to be as natural as Sir Isac Newton...and when this is understood well we can then proceed further...<br /><br />If you start from the scratch the journey will be smooth...our wrongly preconceived ideas are the Main block...<br />Your idea of first build and see is actually not the right approach...<br />Why should we build at all...why not carry out intensive thought experiment...<br />It is a pity that after having spent 58 years you are still not sure...and that is because you are not moving on the right track...<br /><br />Sam...my advice is first learn what and whom to believe...I think you are sometimes very unpredictive...you lose interest soon... You dismiss certain things without getting at the bottom of it...<br />If you really want to create Bessler wheel why don't you come and join me...I assure you success and we can share the fruit... I am also old and lonely and lazy too...<br /><br />You are also reaching your life's end...<br />I am willing to work with you...You will be amazed at what I am going to reveal to you without making any fuss...<br /><br />First my friend learn whom to trust and whom not to...<br /><br />Think about it and let me know...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-68167706141360024492020-01-18T17:39:07.164+00:002020-01-18T17:39:07.164+00:00For what ever the reason, I can't seam to get ...For what ever the reason, I can't seam to get my point across. and, I'm probably wrong any way. I started working on the possibility of perpetual motion in April of 1962, which is about 58 years. I sill haven't found a way to do it, and maybe I never will. So I reckon you guys are right. However, I think it's very unfair to say that I'm a quitter; as was pointed out by one of you anonymous's, who ever you are. Sam PeppiattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-64192487589119580142020-01-18T16:56:08.797+00:002020-01-18T16:56:08.797+00:00Sam...I don't know how to convince you but if ...Sam...I don't know how to convince you but if you ever visit India pls try to meet me... I can make things clear...<br />Here, Ken spoils all the show... He has become a super troll...and, no one is able to handle him... He is the biggest hurdle...he is very erratic...<br /><br />Just concentrate on what Karl stated... It is very simple... It is just that no one has thought of it before...<br />You might also observe how Bessler behaved and safeguarded the secret... If one glance can give away the secret then it has got to be awefully simple... isn't it?<br /><br />Sam... Just tell me can a SIM tell us how a lever and weight is to be shaped...<br /><br />Because, in BW design, it is the shape of things that matters the most...<br /><br />If you can understand this simple point you won't ever talk of using a SIM... never...<br /><br />One more thing I want you to understand and that is when you see the actual secret design you will know that it can never fail to rotate even before the build...<br /><br />If you try to practically build without first conceiving the idea in mind then there is no end... I can guarantee another 300 years...<br /><br />Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-52464246075360632442020-01-18T16:26:13.810+00:002020-01-18T16:26:13.810+00:00After you start to use sims you will be shocked at...After you start to use sims you will be shocked at how all of the mechs you thought had to work dont and you then realize you cant trust your instinct or imagination when it comes to finding pm mechs. Its a very humbling experience. Sims can lie at times but not nearly as much as our self deceiving minds do. Im a beliver in simming then building. But simming first will keep you from wasting time running down dead ends which is where most of our bright ideas will take us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-88409109933457609732020-01-18T14:32:31.447+00:002020-01-18T14:32:31.447+00:00Suresh,
Some how you have to build it and try it!...Suresh,<br /><br />Some how you have to build it and try it! It simply can't be figure it out by natural smartness-----------------FWEIW <br /><br />That's why the sims won't work. Sam PeppiattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59730140615090952252020-01-18T03:41:21.287+00:002020-01-18T03:41:21.287+00:00SK seems to think that comment above is from Ken B...SK seems to think that comment above is from Ken B. But, I don't think Ken B. would waste five seconds commenting about anything SG or SK had to say here. SK wrote "I almost went mad due to intense mental work which took years". Maybe he should have removed the word "almost" from that?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62565584553210425552020-01-18T03:39:23.143+00:002020-01-18T03:39:23.143+00:00Good God! This mystery brings out the worst in peo...Good God! This mystery brings out the worst in people. Put up or shut up! Why can't people who THINK they have solved the Bessler mystery swallow their pride and put up their design for critique? Because the fear of having their dreams dashed and being ordinary is greater than actually finding out whether they had a workable idea. Classic delusional narcissistic paranoid personalities!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80454899957788987162020-01-18T02:56:30.678+00:002020-01-18T02:56:30.678+00:00Ego trip...yes, you're right, Ken...I agree an...Ego trip...yes, you're right, Ken...I agree and humbly accept your point...<br /> <br />Thank God... Atleast you've got this one thing quite right...<br /><br />But your Bessler Wheel design published by you is just terribly wrong friend... It leads us nowhere... Instead, it is taking us towards wrong direction...<br /><br />You know one thing my friend?... It takes a lot of confidence, Truth and sincerity to give hints and clues... Leave alone the ego part...<br />300 years have gone... What is wrong if someone takes a little ego trip as long it comes with valuable hints?...<br /><br />Infact, I didn't want to butt in this way in the first place...you raked up the issue of people coming and later disappearing...<br /><br />It is one thing to author a book and quite another to reveal the real Bessler wheel design...<br /><br />You have come out with a ridiculous design... You keep forgetting what Karl stated... It is extremely simple though hard to picturize...<br /><br />My dear Ken, it didn't come that easy to me, either... I almost went mad due to intense mental work which took years...<br /><br />Now, I am 62... Do you think I am just another naughty guy to mislead everyone here at this age...???<br /><br />Don't you know Bessler too indulged in ego trips by pouring rich words...???<br /><br />Do you also feel that Bessler needs to be condemned for it in the same way you treat me...???<br /><br />One can only boldly come out with such hints and clues if he really possesess something...<br /><br />Do you think everyone here believes you???<br /><br />Don't mind Ken, but sometimes I feel you are some kind of maniac... Or a weird parasite?<br /><br />I Know why you are acting this way... Mainly two reasons... Either you want to extract more info or you fear for loss of your credibility...<br /><br />Bessler wheel mystery solving is not simply anybodys cup of tea... It is not that easy... You have got to seek the truth with an open heart and full of sincerity...<br /><br />If you are unable to understand a character like me, then how do you solve such a thing as BW???Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-26310568944404804982020-01-17T21:47:39.004+00:002020-01-17T21:47:39.004+00:00It was bound to happen! Now another SG clone has ...It was bound to happen! Now another SG clone has arrived who claims to really know how Bessler's wheels worked and why everyone else is wrong. As SG takes a break for a while, SK will now take his place and dangle vague clues and hints before us in an effort to get us excited enough to beg him for more information about the "ridiculously simple" secret of Bessler's wheels. Don't bother because he actually knows nothing about how Bessler's wheels really worked and is only here for the same reason SG comes. To get a cheap ego trip at everyone else's expense! Ignore him!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-67551946508293868082020-01-17T17:54:44.156+00:002020-01-17T17:54:44.156+00:00Sorry to step in...but just thought that I should ...Sorry to step in...but just thought that I should say something...<br />Leg pulling does no good to anybody...<br />It is not necessary that the one who drops hints, now and then, is not actually aware of the real secret...<br />Infact, every hint coming from any quarter needs to be honored...be it vague, for that matter... <br />On the contrary, we should realize our own failure in solving the puzzle...so far...<br />I would also like to make it clear that trying through SIM, isn't the right approach... as far as Bessler wheel is concerned...<br />It actually takes hell a lot of mental work to know the secret...<br />It is just that we have not realized the real design so far as stated by Karl...<br />Our current idea of the wheel design is hopelessly wrong...and,in my view, Trevor is somewhat close to it than anyone here...<br />And, one thing is that you can't expect the actual knower to spill more beans as it would jeopardize his efforts...<br /><br />A hint here and there is more than anything...<br />Because, the internal design too simple...<br />I mean ridiculously simple...<br /><br />Trevor almost revealed it twice... I was worried someone would grab it fast...it is that simple... That is why Bessler was damn worried...<br />So, we should be grateful for getting hints...<br />I agree that compared to Trevor, SG is quite off the mark...<br />I seem to know where Trevor is possibly stuck...I could make this out from his own narration...that one pound is able to raise four pounds...<br />Frankly speaking, it is much faster and more efficient than that...<br />The internal movement is such that you can't really make out which weight is contributing more at any given moment.... Trevor seems to have not worked out this aspect...<br />Pls note it is just a matter of proper designing of one lever-weight system... the rest is just duplication...<br />We just have to think of how to design the lever first and interface the same with the rightly designed weight... The rest is just the tricks to watch...in a circus arena...as rightly put by Trevor...and, Bessler too...<br />Ken is miserably on the wrong track, too...<br /><br />Sorry, no offense intended...<br />There is no point in going on building and rebuilding without an iota of knowing the truth... This could go on and on as is evident...<br />Bessler wheel internal design is too simple but not fully understood by anyone...<br />Trevor is closer than anyone else...he has just made a critical error...<br />SG is not on the right track...<br />And so is Ken...<br />We need to be grateful to all the hints coming...<br />Focussing on lever-weight interfaced design is the need of the hour...<br />Didn't Bessler speak of acrobat and some form of boxing ???Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-36845090355745619412020-01-17T16:11:29.652+00:002020-01-17T16:11:29.652+00:00JC wrote: "The thing I don’t understand is wh...JC wrote: "The thing I don’t understand is what SG gets out of dropping supposed hints and clues which appear to be meaningless unless he gives more information."<br /><br />SG's gratification comes from playing the "I've got the secret because I'm smarter than all of you, but if you all beg me enough then I might help you a little" game. Others have played the same stupid game on other sites and in the few cases where they actually revealed what they thought they knew, it turned out to be a load of delusional nonsense. After that embarrassing exposure they promptly disappear, but may reappear later with another fake username to play the game again. It will be the same with SG and he knows that which is why he can never risk revealing anything here. He'll keep sporadically dropping vague hints about Bessler learning how to make a pm wheel from ancient sources, ringing bells, pulling curtains, climbing ladders, and various clues in Bessler's drawings about which everyone, except he of course, is completely unaware. He does that to see if he can get anyone excited enough to beg him for more information which, if they do, gives him the ego thrill he needs to have. Then he'll go silent until the next blog and repeat his little game again. Most likely he's a past Bessler wheel chaser who failed to get anything running and has given up on that permanently. He may actually be delusional enough to think he's somehow helping other wheel chasers here with his hints. But, he's really only an irrelevant distraction here. He also seems to like to invite off blog contact with people here. If that ever did take place, however, they would only get the same runaround that they see here. As someone else said, it's best to just ignore him. Focus on comments that actually provide some real information of value. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62903499458533141662020-01-17T15:27:44.369+00:002020-01-17T15:27:44.369+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-42288675061209653282020-01-17T14:01:10.782+00:002020-01-17T14:01:10.782+00:00I’m not aware I have any mental blocks and as for ...I’m not aware I have any mental blocks and as for contacting Stephen G, why? I’m not convinced that he has the solution, otherwise he would have made a working model, sold it, given it away or just published details showing how to build it.<br /><br />I have already understood Bessler’s clues and your three locations are actually six and I have read them studied them and I’m building from their instructions. BTW I have not seen any sign of the Holy Ghost with or without a smiley face. Perhaps I can’t see it because I don’t believe in it. <br /><br />The thing I don’t understand is what SG gets out of dropping supposed hints and clues which appear to be meaningless unless he gives more information.<br /><br />JC<br /><br />John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-30178642994148483082020-01-17T02:01:52.094+00:002020-01-17T02:01:52.094+00:00John, you need to overcome all of your mental bloc...John, you need to overcome all of your mental blocks and hurry to contact Stephen G. so he can finally lead you to those three locations where Bessler and the Holy Ghost hid the solution to his wheels. The longer you wait, John, the more the risk someone else will find those three locations ahead of you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-42794026549993048762020-01-16T22:59:41.800+00:002020-01-16T22:59:41.800+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-21733873169501228772020-01-16T18:45:32.112+00:002020-01-16T18:45:32.112+00:00You’ve got that right anon 18.20. I have looked ...You’ve got that right anon 18.20. I have looked into doing sims myself, but I did not enjoy the experience, probably because I was impatient. I’m sure if there was some nearby who could help me test my design with a sim, I would be delighted. But I’m so close to finishing my build that it doesn't seem worth it. But I certainly considered both sims and builds.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-25026237603435058732020-01-16T18:20:13.859+00:002020-01-16T18:20:13.859+00:00I think Anon 16:42 hits the nail on its head when ...I think Anon 16:42 hits the nail on its head when he calls the Bessler wheel skeptics pitiful quitter types. I think many of them are past pm seekers who failed to get a working wheel going after a few sloppy attempts and are now angry with themselves, Bessler, the whole subject, and any one else who dares try to get some working results and so prove they were just pitiful quitters. They say misery loves company and so they want to turn as many positive minded pm seekers into skeptics as they can so they can prove to the world they are right and their quitting was really the smart thing to do. You have to tune out their noise and keep you eyes on the prize. Imitate Bessler not the skeptic losers out there. If you need to sim then sim. If you need to build then build. If you need to do both then do both. But do something! Procrastination and excuse making is guaranteed to only lead to NO results!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com