tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post5522267329808449718..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Some more on Bessler's CodesJohn Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-11379628649867809812020-11-28T12:47:45.747+00:002020-11-28T12:47:45.747+00:00Great article with excellent idea!Thank you for su...Great article with excellent idea!Thank you for such a valuable article. I really appreciate for this great information.. <a href="https://www.groepstaxirotterdam.nl/home.html" rel="nofollow">GroepstaxiRotterdam.nl</a><br />spark riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14708749028276770207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-78688160550762418092017-10-30T22:13:46.896+00:002017-10-30T22:13:46.896+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-35453959604138391642017-10-30T21:57:05.673+00:002017-10-30T21:57:05.673+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-55950330459291558422017-10-29T06:46:46.865+00:002017-10-29T06:46:46.865+00:00Thanks for your comments Jon. I have responses to...Thanks for your comments Jon. I have responses to many of your points which I will share in the next few weeks....months....years, just as soon as I’ve worked them out!<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-11268530323304810892017-10-29T00:14:37.136+01:002017-10-29T00:14:37.136+01:00Jon, some comments/thoughts/ramblings on your '...Jon, some comments/thoughts/ramblings on your 'clock' lines on the Merseberg wheel. where to start.. there are 2 drawings one is padlock 42 other is 24, one has correct shadowing one does not. The drawing doesn’t 'work' with its strange mix of shadowing and perspective the 'frame' in the centre of the pic has no engineering purpose and seems there only for alignment purposes on the two 'wrong perspective' horizontal parts (1 and 11), the shadowing error draws attention to 'wrong' perspective elementS of the drawing? Your one o'clock line kisses the bottom of the pulley, the ANGLED beam supporting the pulley is drawn 'wrong' also its seems not part of roof and not how you would make a strong 'bracket', if you move your line between aligning with frame base to centre of padlock (att. drawn by wrong numbering and a padlock may symbolise unlocked/locked/works/doesn’t work?) then you get a movement lifting the weight box and the pulley travelling along the conveniently angled beam (even has striations drawn on the beam that can indicate wood grain or movement direction), so that gives two points to move line 1 between generating a lifting moment. Now your 2 o'clock line can be moved similarly down to padlock, and it now kisses the ('wrong' and unneeded for the wheel to work...) pendulum weight and weight box corner. Now line 12, note the line goes thro' the vertical element of the capital M, note the base of the support column has a spurious rectangular 'sighting hole' whose width/alignment equals the capital M's vertical spacing, and the crank off set distance for the (unneeded other than for clues)pendulum. Now line 11, note the text top left has an exclamation mark incorrectly placed (drawing att. to either side not acting as a closing stop)it also has a 'x.x.' (we know these xx's important/in the code, also kinda like 2 scissor mechs?)try moving 11 to either of the capital M vertical elements and/or the full stops in 'x.x.' and see the alignments on the lower section of drawing that you get, maybe another 'movement' ?<br />Finally I wonder if the 'clock lines' tie in with the 'and still you don’t understand?' logo he drew?, oh and there’s a pretty good crosier hidden in the squiggles of his curly signature.<br />Regards<br />Jon<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-44339342604772008222017-10-28T12:49:51.482+01:002017-10-28T12:49:51.482+01:00You are great John!!! Thanks very much for posting...You are great John!!! Thanks very much for posting the text :)<br /><br />yellow Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-3759259661312288562017-10-28T10:54:45.994+01:002017-10-28T10:54:45.994+01:00Very interesting A.N.Other, I didn't know that...Very interesting A.N.Other, I didn't know that. I need to see a diagram demonstrating that.<br /><br />Yellow I'll try tp post picture at the end of the blog like I did before.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-49563928390082547262017-10-28T09:48:29.708+01:002017-10-28T09:48:29.708+01:00John, I’m sure you’re aware that 141 is also a cen...John, I’m sure you’re aware that 141 is also a centred pentagonal number – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centered_pentagonal_number - Regards A.N.OtherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-34537714093233651992017-10-28T09:47:17.461+01:002017-10-28T09:47:17.461+01:00So there is no MT142 and MT143 in reality. This is...So there is no MT142 and MT143 in reality. This is a very important information. You should write a note about this on BesslerWiki. <br /><br />I have another question. I want to see the original German preface text which is in the beginning of MT. Where can I find it?<br /><br />yellowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-37121363770087184562017-10-28T08:57:57.276+01:002017-10-28T08:57:57.276+01:00When I first saw Bessler’s Maschinen Tractate, it ...When I first saw Bessler’s Maschinen Tractate, it was an unbound collection of papers, but soon after it was rebound but the order of the papers was uncertain because of the variety of different numberings. The toys page is numbered 138, 139, 140 and 141 and the others you mention, 142 and 143 are not numbered by Bessler. The toys page is numbered, in my opinion, as a replacement for the pages he destroyed, so on that basis I suggest that the total is 141 - coincidentally the same number as the number of Bible quotes in chaper 55 of his Apologia Poetica.<br />John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-13087765135779727652017-10-27T18:28:10.015+01:002017-10-27T18:28:10.015+01:00I noticed also something, MT drawings are ended at...I noticed also something, MT drawings are ended at 143. One less than 144 which is also a Fibonacci number. I don't think it is a coincidence. Bessler probably used Fibonacci numbers in some other places too for just artistic reasons and giving a divine meaning to his design. <br /><br />yellowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-60802780074737559092017-10-27T02:28:15.920+01:002017-10-27T02:28:15.920+01:00Thanks for your note John, life can get in the ro...Thanks for your note John, life can get in the road at times....... what a dilemma whatever it takes to get this on the ground, none of my attempts have proven out as of this date, but a chance configuration has shown me things that I cannot explain and will be holding out hope that this is the break i have been seeking. Anything you can share will be welcomeGravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-15518456968626464292017-10-26T07:30:48.378+01:002017-10-26T07:30:48.378+01:00Very slow! I moved into this house last year and ...Very slow! I moved into this house last year and I have been so busy changing things to our taste here that the actual construction has had to take second place to the needs of the two of us. We've knocked walls down, refitted the enlarged room, and done loads of other things. During this time the garage which was the intended workshop has had to be used by the builders. I can't list everything we have done and the only Bessler work I've been able to do apart from this blog has been working on the computer, describing the way the wheel worked according to my interpretations of Bessler's clues, along with very many illustrations.<br /><br />I do see a light at the end of the tunnel and I'm starting work on it again possibly in as little as a week. That's my intention anyway! Thanks for asking.<br /><br />JC <br />John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-28388513032267064822017-10-26T01:56:53.088+01:002017-10-26T01:56:53.088+01:00How is your build coming along John?How is your build coming along John?Gravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-77072907584926545782017-10-22T06:37:11.642+01:002017-10-22T06:37:11.642+01:00I’ve seen the three images you mention A.N.Other, ...I’ve seen the three images you mention A.N.Other, and inspected them closely and I don’t think they are meant to allude to Fibonacci spirals, although I do agree that at first sight they look as if they might be. I think they are decorative. If possible I’ll post a picture for opinions.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69467294230520265082017-10-21T17:35:53.204+01:002017-10-21T17:35:53.204+01:00At least, Bessler definitely used Fibonacci series...At least, Bessler definitely used Fibonacci series in his figure. Just apply this;https://www.bigtrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/fibonacci-spiral.png onto the Bessler's figure in this post. <br /><br />yellowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-46399769290281592642017-10-21T16:21:55.603+01:002017-10-21T16:21:55.603+01:00John, had you noticed the image at the bottom of p...John, had you noticed the image at the bottom of page 128 appears to contain Fibonacci spirals – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number#/media/File:FibonacciSpiral.svg – Just a thought… A.N.OtherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-3411027971162096002017-10-21T15:22:43.493+01:002017-10-21T15:22:43.493+01:00I agree Michel, (glad to see you here) but the cro...I agree Michel, (glad to see you here) but the crozier is a new idea for me. Is that the same as a shepherd’s crook?<br /><br />Interesting information yellow, thanks.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-10267800178954603252017-10-21T15:09:13.731+01:002017-10-21T15:09:13.731+01:00Check this out, John; F(5)=5 and F(10)=55. It is a...Check this out, John; F(5)=5 and F(10)=55. It is a coincidence or not I don't know :)<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number<br /><br />yellowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-82344255960726243842017-10-21T15:07:05.976+01:002017-10-21T15:07:05.976+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michel Gaillardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043732645978068477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-22230423715912911092017-10-21T11:40:04.885+01:002017-10-21T11:40:04.885+01:00I had considered the Fibonacci series and even tho...I had considered the Fibonacci series and even though the tenth one is 55, I ‘m not convinced that it was his intention to point to that. There are literally, and I do mean literally, dozens and dozens of pointers to the numbers 5 and 55. For me I believe he had five mechanisms in his uni-directional wheel, and decided to use that fact as the chapter number for his long code. 5 and 5 would then apply to his bi-directional wheels, five for each direction.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-29885851324973187812017-10-21T00:13:32.984+01:002017-10-21T00:13:32.984+01:00God, I used the wrong sequence. That was the trian...God, I used the wrong sequence. That was the triangular number sequence. I am sorry :)<br /><br />yellowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62997095628900395992017-10-21T00:10:06.013+01:002017-10-21T00:10:06.013+01:00I really don't think 55 is very significant; b...I really don't think 55 is very significant; but it is the 10th Fibonacci number. May be he used Fibonacci numbers in his coding. May be you can search for other Fibonacci numbers up to 55 (0, 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, 21, 28, 36, 45, 55)<br /><br />But, I think it was just a lucky number for him.<br /><br />yellowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-86658057009495162272017-10-20T15:12:35.563+01:002017-10-20T15:12:35.563+01:00I don’t know anon. I simply published what I coul...I don’t know anon. I simply published what I could see. The only thing I’m sure about is that there is a hidden message within the 220 lines, but how to extract it is a real puzzle. I agree that there doesn’t seem to be enough letters to convey useful information and perhaps some other method such as you suggested could hold the key.<br /><br />JCcJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-3643140933844855692017-10-20T13:57:03.729+01:002017-10-20T13:57:03.729+01:00John, would the 141 Bible references (and 220 line...John, would the 141 Bible references (and 220 lines) be more relevant to plots on graph paper, and be an actual diagram, as you must be very limited to be able to describe the wheel with the 141 / 220 letter count?? Thanks - A.N.OtherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com