tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post58120358252892088..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Trading Width and Height, a Curiousity.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-50126016601832336652017-03-11T03:11:32.240+00:002017-03-11T03:11:32.240+00:00The problem here is trying to go from 12:00 to 3:0...The problem here is trying to go from 12:00 to 3:00, why not 2:00 to 5:00? Moving from 2:00 to 5:00 is the same distance from center to 12:00! The difference is the speed of both movements. You can lift the distance of the radius and drop the distance of the radius. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16097977128385496790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-33517880763521493612017-03-05T18:13:07.390+00:002017-03-05T18:13:07.390+00:00Read as checked.. Sorry about typo..Read as checked.. Sorry about typo..Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-1816954598865920022017-03-05T18:12:06.728+00:002017-03-05T18:12:06.728+00:00Read as past life regressionist...Read as past life regressionist...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-28654172653806585812017-03-05T18:10:28.595+00:002017-03-05T18:10:28.595+00:00One may find it very hard to believe but it is a f...One may find it very hard to believe but it is a fact that soul lives in body and when body dies soul migrates to another body.. Bessler's soul has done the same thing by all means... Right now it must be in some body... Gautam Buddha has looked back into his 500 previous lives through meditation...If one wants to know if Bessler's soul is within him he just has to approach a good past life regression isn't and get himself check...This way he can also get a glimpse into the wheel interior if he was Bessler.... Unbelievable?.... Believe it...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-63476258036017426502017-03-04T17:44:02.770+00:002017-03-04T17:44:02.770+00:00Thanks John!
"Good job" - means I get ...Thanks John!<br /> <br />"Good job" - means I get some type of hit here, regarding how I describe your wheel setup?! Even it´s hard to read. Sorry, I try my best.<br /><br />There is lot more to say about your possible setup. Example about nine pieces you plan to use in your one pendulum. 9 pieces sounds good choice, but this on paper only or in 2D environment.<br />In real world or 3D setup, I suggest to put some pieces more to one pendulum. Witch idea is to make all pendulum setup more stable in their work action. One main Bessler clue is playing big role here.<br /><br />Actually, this description that I have written here previously is taken from my own working simulation setup. And I do not use any ropes/cords there. There is no need of them. <br /><br />I know that even our setups may be with almost similar work principle, there is hundreds of different variations to put them together or build up this correctly, as lot of those kind of setups do not work.<br /><br />PLMKRN<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-20202990800477347992017-03-04T16:52:16.763+00:002017-03-04T16:52:16.763+00:00Hi PLMKRN,
Very good for first attempt, your not t...Hi PLMKRN,<br />Very good for first attempt, your not that far away, the cords or ropes are connected between 10no of weights, with 2 weights connected onto one arm (mechanism) so as one set of weights drop they are both on the outside of the wheel (acting in pairs), but has they rise one is on the outer rim and one's on a inner rim.<br />Uneqkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00809723687096913866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-75760340224651282742017-03-04T15:36:46.971+00:002017-03-04T15:36:46.971+00:00Interesting post PLMKRN. I can't comment othe...Interesting post PLMKRN. I can't comment other than to say, cords or ropes, it doesn't matter, either will do. I appreciate that you are using English which is probably not your first language, so I must read your post several times to understand your explanation. Good job.<br /><br />JC<br />John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-70964553122335092122017-03-04T14:57:28.471+00:002017-03-04T14:57:28.471+00:00Good point Suresh, that's also possible.
BSGood point Suresh, that's also possible.<br /><br />BSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-20512218873608240772017-03-04T14:45:26.427+00:002017-03-04T14:45:26.427+00:00I think the internal mechanism resembles the solar...I think the internal mechanism resembles the solar system...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-8099596447785928372017-03-04T14:33:36.831+00:002017-03-04T14:33:36.831+00:00To John comment:
"My current thinking is comp...To John comment:<br />"My current thinking is completely different and so far I haven't seen anyone describe it, not even close. However I cannot believe that there isn't someone studying the same principle as I am..."<br /><br />I know that here is some type of cat and mouse game, at the moment in the air, between different claim makers. But let me try to describe here shortly your possible setup, that I have visualized in my mind.<br /><br />One wheel consist of 5 pendulum like mechanisms. One pendulum mechanism have build up from nine (lever like) pieces and they are loaded with two weights - weight 1 and weight 2. So in your wheel setup is totally 10 weights in 5 so called pendulums. Weights arranged to one pendulum this way, where they form together visually unified entirety mass. So one pendulum total visible mass to wheel axle is - weight 1 + weight 2.<br /><br />Those weights heaviness ratio can describe as - weight 1 = a, weight 2 = a x 10 (approx). Coming from one pendulum mechanism virtue, weight 2 can with his mass, arrange easily weight 1. This all depend on each pendulum weight 2 position to axle and ground. Where weight 1 can be moved from one end positon x - outermost, to other weight 1 position y - innermost. <br />There may compare two pendulum vis-a-vis setup this way, that weights 1 acts always as levers, weights 2 acts like roberval balance. As weights 2 acts always as roberval balance, there is no any side effect from them, to affect wheel balance, even they are much heavier then weight 1.<br /><br />Wheel turning effect achieved ONLY by weights 1 movements. Exactly from pendulums 2:3 allocation ratio in wheel and from weight 1 connection angle, or here may call it work angle, to wheel axle.<br />Each pendulum is connected also with one spring, to wheel mechanism, at one special point.<br /><br />Only thing that I do not know now from your setup John. That is, for what purpose there need cords in your setup? I understand from your little verbal fight with KB, that there is no used any ropes in Bessler wheels. But seems that there is some cords instead of ropes anyway, in your setup. :(<br />Of course, your final setup may be something else, then here described one. I just try to bring out some little different point of view here.<br /><br />PLMKRN<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-72442910833359078982017-03-04T06:34:55.770+00:002017-03-04T06:34:55.770+00:00Every mechanical action has a counterpart in natur...Every mechanical action has a counterpart in nature. They occur in nature, we can observe them, understand them. But where is Bessler's PM action in nature? I can only think one thing; This will be very very very speculative but Bessler may have found the classical mechanical model of the atom...<br /><br />BSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-33510677151293934532017-03-04T06:34:53.526+00:002017-03-04T06:34:53.526+00:00Well spoken Gravittea!
JCWell spoken Gravittea!<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-74125384600166116102017-03-04T02:22:33.845+00:002017-03-04T02:22:33.845+00:00WHAT......... you have to be kidding If you d...WHAT......... you have to be kidding If you do believe, and you know that we have more technology available, supplies and phenomenal materials then we can do this. NO if and buts or maybe It's so simple a carpenters boy could replicate it. Come on This is like a personal challenge that Bessler has thrown down for the salvation of our planet. There is really a lot at stake here. So, put your thinking hats on and get on with it. It is going to happen this year.......I can feel itGravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-24183096405605722692017-03-03T19:42:25.456+00:002017-03-03T19:42:25.456+00:00Read as RIGHTLY pointed out by...Read as RIGHTLY pointed out by...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-37776971542622400082017-03-03T19:40:48.650+00:002017-03-03T19:40:48.650+00:00You could be right... I personally believe this is...You could be right... I personally believe this is what is going to happen finally... Clues are misinterpreted... People are misguided...All this only add to the much confusion already in existence... Sometimes, when someone comes up with a good suggestion it is downplayed... The Many years that have passed and countless discussions on the matter with no progress bears witness....We have to bring some change in our approach...Many have lost patience and gone silent... Despite living in a great communication filled era there is a lot of miscommunication... Perhaps as tightly pointed out by JM above..There exists insufficient dreams...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31634833451396232252017-03-03T16:58:59.257+00:002017-03-03T16:58:59.257+00:00Why don't we all just wait for Bessler to come...Why don't we all just wait for Bessler to come back to life on earth and ask him then to show everyone how he did it? <br /><br />I seriously doubt anyone on this forum will produce a working gravity wheel during 2017. <br /><br />Let's just ask Bessler when he comes back. <br /><br />Is that too much to ask?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-78125353564193014582017-03-03T09:57:55.168+00:002017-03-03T09:57:55.168+00:00Well, thanks anyway... But your language being too...Well, thanks anyway... But your language being too high and formal little could I make out....Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-88583748780689193662017-03-03T02:27:11.621+00:002017-03-03T02:27:11.621+00:00James, I am glad to hear of your work on the repli...James, I am glad to hear of your work on the replication of many, many parts out of wood just like he did. His skill level was unprecedented for his time. The pipe organ, in his time, was the most complex device to create and took enormous patience. The replication of all of those pieces required the discipline that only a master craftsman can create with his hands. All of this simulation stuff is interesting but there is no path that will allow you to actually build a wheel except with extremely skilled hands . I know a lot of folks that can do the sims but the skilled hands are another layer that most do not have a clue about. Thanks for your good post and stimulation Gravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-36634206993722665632017-03-03T01:55:41.788+00:002017-03-03T01:55:41.788+00:00The lovely peacefulness seems to be holding. So mu...The lovely peacefulness seems to be holding. So much the better.<br /><br />I notice that Suresh Kumar has posed more than a few questions of pertinent quality. Let me take a stab or two at them, if I might?<br /><br /> "How come, no one has been able to get at it so far?..."<br /><br />Possibly because so many others that are in pursuit, are so very dissimilar to Bessler as an organ builder. The art of the organ building vocation teaches it's apprentices of very many separate construction disciplines, such a combination of which cannot be equaled by any other vocation. Of this I know because having BEEN ONE.<br /><br /> "Is there any curse behind the secret?..."<br /><br />Heavens! Hopefully not. <br /><br /> "Did Bessler know the outcome in advance about the future failures of all would be inventors?..."<br /><br />This one implies they you accept, Suresh, that possibly Bessler was possessed-of prognosticative powers. At this, then, I would refer any ponderers to that famous most wise advisement as Hamlet gave to his student fellow, Horatio: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." That should about cover it.<br /><br /> "Why really we aren't anywhere closer to the truth?..."<br /><br />Basically because of such effects as are caused by Horatio's as-yet insufficient dreams, as is the very case with most all of the Bessler secret chasers?<br /><br />And, the best saved for last:<br /><br /> Is greed an evil root?...<br /><br />It would appear to be the case, this and it's wicked sister hypocrisy, contributing much to the aggregate of exceeding tragedy.<br /><br />If pressed just-so, what might I humbly advise as a path-dextral headed for the sovereign truth that is our mystery? <br /><br />Well, it would be this: resultantly work for one part energy IN in both cases; one half part OUT CCW; and one and one half parts OUT CW. Attain that, and most assuredly you will have it, all the rest being but buttoning-up and fancying.<br /><br />As per usual whenever I post generally, I'll be expecting LEADEN SILENCE to be my sole reward. Such is the innate, sad smallness of my fellow Humanity. Not to fuss though, for after a while one becomes comfortably inured to it, expecting no more nor better.<br /><br />This, from The Sermon on the Mount as reported said by Jesus, applies doubtless-so here:<br /><br />"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. . . ."<br /><br />Yes, into pieces.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-82240915495154662232017-03-02T18:11:03.826+00:002017-03-02T18:11:03.826+00:00When there is present one of next mental things, t...When there is present one of next mental things, then this thing would not happen. Even there is working proof of it. Do not want, do not know, do not care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19214129251738484452017-03-01T19:57:42.991+00:002017-03-01T19:57:42.991+00:00You are quite right... Clues are strewn all over B...You are quite right... Clues are strewn all over Bessler literature.... With discerning eyes one can make out something or the other...and, finally make out the movement...You really said it right...It is up to an individual whether to grasp or reject accordingly... Bessler did give away many things...But one thing is really baffling...How come, no one has been able to get at it so far?...Is there any curse behind the secret?...Did Bessler know the outcome in advance about the future failures of all would be inventors?...Why really we aren't anywhere closer to the truth?...Is greed an evil root?...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-368800762690872402017-03-01T17:54:53.548+00:002017-03-01T17:54:53.548+00:00My fault :-D
What was meant is to wind up somethin...My fault :-D<br />What was meant is to wind up something. If I think about what this can do in a wheel, then the solution is obvious. Isn't it?S.O.P.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07210341697241623396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-65055040235937901572017-03-01T15:54:40.064+00:002017-03-01T15:54:40.064+00:00Bessler was a mechanical wizard. He was also huma...Bessler was a mechanical wizard. He was also human which leads us to the point that after he was able to achieve working mechanism you just cannot keep that thought out of everything that you think. He did a phenomenal job of disguising those thoughts, but even the best effort cannot keep those thoughts out. Each one of the drawings in MT has some genetic line back to the principle. Our task is to determine which ones to overlook and which ones to grasp and hold dearGravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-49285063074670403702017-03-01T12:26:59.918+00:002017-03-01T12:26:59.918+00:00LOL! As in windy rhetoric?
JXLOL! As in windy rhetoric?<br /><br />JXJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62995818686808367792017-03-01T09:04:05.673+00:002017-03-01T09:04:05.673+00:00BTW, Besslers secret key word could be 'wind&#...BTW, Besslers secret key word could be 'wind' - but not from a clockmakers perspective!S.O.P.M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07210341697241623396noreply@blogger.com