tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post5849591949866422153..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Johann Bessler’s Perpetual Motion Needs a Paradigm ShiftJohn Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-59852214146112098502022-03-22T21:39:01.033+00:002022-03-22T21:39:01.033+00:00SK wrote "I am telling you now that gravity c...SK wrote "I am telling you now that gravity can raise an object also... And I have proof...It is that we are not allowed to discuss in depth..."<br /><br />Who here is not allowing you to tell us how gravity can raise an object? It is really amazing how you can fill up a blog with so many words and still say nothing! If you actually knew anything of value about B's wheels, it would have been obvious by now after all of these years. But you do not. Everyone here seems to realize that except you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19710775258387110482022-03-20T06:56:07.105+00:002022-03-20T06:56:07.105+00:00As I have said to others, Suresh, there is no need...As I have said to others, Suresh, there is no need for long, rambling comments and when I say so, there is no hostility aimed at you or anyone else. As you said, this is not your blog but it is mine, and if I wish to encourage comments and also readers of those comments, then I need to try to retain other people’s interest by trying to keep comments to a more succinct nature.<br /><br />I also try to discourage comments of a Hindu or Buddhist nature as that is not a subject which relates to Bessler’s work. I’m sure you disagree but that is my prerogative as the owner of this blog, but if you wish to have your own blog, I’m happy to advertise it here.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-68574710452827928962022-03-20T05:04:22.919+00:002022-03-20T05:04:22.919+00:00Lipe... Don't question Ken... He can't ans...Lipe... Don't question Ken... He can't answer beyond a point... He is actually a book seller... He wouldn't tolerate anything or anyone that would come in his way...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-44518823828396410102022-03-20T03:03:33.779+00:002022-03-20T03:03:33.779+00:00Lipe... I really thought that within a day or so w...Lipe... I really thought that within a day or so we could have a great discussion and make things clear about how BW worked...<br /><br />Not only that, I also thought of making it clear how gravity actually worked... I mean how it is generated in the first place because it is linked to BW... Please note that this is not even known to physicists...<br /><br />Thirdly, I wanted to also make it clear how BW is powered...<br /><br />You will not believe that gravity can help raise the weights too...<br /><br />All this and much more and that too in a day or so...<br /><br />I have begun to worry now... Criticism has already started before we could dwelve into all this...<br /><br />Did I not tell that time is not ripe yet...<br /><br />It wasn't so even in bessler's period...<br /><br />There will always be someone with brick or a bat...<br /><br />Did you observe how an eagle swooped in between...<br /><br />Ken landed suddenly with his book...<br /><br />He is telling bw gets power from quantum level...<br /><br />I am telling you now that gravity can raise an object also... And I have proof...<br /><br />It is that we are not allowed to discuss in depth... <br /><br />This is not our blog, dear...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-32545798649293129842022-03-20T02:38:58.951+00:002022-03-20T02:38:58.951+00:00Lipe...let's totally avoid bringing in the com...Lipe...let's totally avoid bringing in the computer at this stage... I can understand you are a computer expert and your mind is trained accordingly... But, would you agree that natural imagination is better than a computer aided knowledge...<br />Do you believe bessler was genuine?...<br />Now, tell me didn't bessler succeed just with his mind power?...<br /><br />The real trick is to understand how to use gravity both ways...<br /><br />Yes, this is possible... Bessler did it... This is not known to others here... This is what the core Idea is all about and already people are ready with the bricks... We haven't even touched the second question yet... I don't know how to go about in this turmoil... We need a free mind and good environment for all this... Too much hostility exists here...<br /><br />By the way, where do you stay?... If we can person meet it would just take a few hours to demystify this case...<br /><br /><br />Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-70785973144665625292022-03-20T02:02:16.985+00:002022-03-20T02:02:16.985+00:00Lipe... This matter is such that it has to be foug...Lipe... This matter is such that it has to be fought in the mind... Computer simulation is not required...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-55973693024145079732022-03-20T01:59:19.546+00:002022-03-20T01:59:19.546+00:00Lipe... Patience is one ingredient that is so much...Lipe... Patience is one ingredient that is so much important... I thought of clearing all your doubts just in a day or two... We still haven't touched the core matter yet... We have just begun to demystify an ancient mystery... Already the brickbatting have started coming...<br /><br />Do you see how suppression starts happening?...<br /><br />There are roadblocks right here in our group... They can't stand anything...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-83144592881282347892022-03-19T23:34:24.447+00:002022-03-19T23:34:24.447+00:00So what? Where is the wheel? That simulation prove...So what? Where is the wheel? That simulation proves nothing.Lipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12688782537980638463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62367907091556539362022-03-19T23:25:43.433+00:002022-03-19T23:25:43.433+00:00@Lipe
If you are new here you may not be aware tha...@Lipe<br />If you are new here you may not be aware that a guy named Ken Behrendt who used to post a lot on the old Bessler wheel forum and also here years ago claims he finally did find the secret of Bessler's wheels back in April of 2018. His design is based on many previously unknown clues he says he found hidden in the two portraits of Bessler in the front of his "Das Triumpherende" book and on many sims he made that prove the design works. He even published a large book to reveal the secret to the world. If you have not seen it yet you should definitely take a look at the youtube video of his turning wheel's weight levers in action that he uploaded years ago. It's an odd design that has convinced some that Bessler's secret really has been found. <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nP7KY6_EAM<br /><br />Ken thinks that all of the energy Bessler's wheels produced to power different machines came completely from the mass of the atoms in their lead weights and that even if it did not break down because of wear and tear eventually one of his wheels would have to come to a stop when that mass was gone and the weights had no more energy left in them. That could take millions of years to happen though. In other words he says Bessler never actually had truly perpetual motion wheels like everyone thinks they were which could run forever if they didn't breakdown. Just ones that could run for very long times and were not violating any of the physics laws while doing that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19339834308236760732022-03-19T21:59:55.529+00:002022-03-19T21:59:55.529+00:00Suresh has made 22 of the 65 comments here so far ...Suresh has made 22 of the 65 comments here so far or about one out of every three comments! Just when we thought Ken B held the world record for long comments, along comes Suresh to set a new world record! Lol!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-74700098568982031782022-03-19T21:22:55.084+00:002022-03-19T21:22:55.084+00:00Suresh, I know I said I welcomed your comments, bu...Suresh, I know I said I welcomed your comments, but if you could rein in your enthusiasm for multiple long comments I would prefer it. I kind of agree with what you write but it’s all old stuff similar to what I’ve written here many times over the years. However it has given me an idea for my next post, so I thank you for giving me the inspiration.John Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-24078874372231075642022-03-19T20:40:38.665+00:002022-03-19T20:40:38.665+00:00Thanks for that link, anon 23:47. I didn't ...Thanks for that link, anon 23:47. I didn't know Ken had a new book out. I have the soft covers of all of his previous books and will also get the soft cover of this one to add to my collection.<br /><br />I wish he would do another book on Bessler and his wheels but I guess he's said as much about them as he could and is moving on to other subjects that interest him. I agree that he is a "dynamo". Someone told me they call him "Ken the Great" over on the BW forum. I can see why!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-84036684772452411212022-03-19T19:53:42.869+00:002022-03-19T19:53:42.869+00:00Suresh thank you again for this good discussion......Suresh thank you again for this good discussion... the problem is that gravity only push things down, we will allways have to workout how to push it up and in the end it will be balanced and stop.<br /><br />Then you say... I have a mechanism to trick it... intuitively I would say it is possible but if we do a complex mechanism using our brain logic without test, it's very hard to know if it would work or not.<br /><br />As a software developer I would find a way to simulate gravity and vetorial kinect in computer... and then try to simulate some wheel designs and compare with real built ones.<br /><br />If the simulation match the real life so I would use that to get started. Anyway I don't want to judge the capacity of you doing it in your mind or directly building it. It's just my preferred aproach... as I told you I'm software developer but I never tryed to develop such software.Lipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12688782537980638463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69802830810414072692022-03-19T16:35:29.970+00:002022-03-19T16:35:29.970+00:00BW is not an isolated system... It always feeds on...BW is not an isolated system... It always feeds on gravity... Since this is not properly understood by physicists no one believes...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-57640690429820898442022-03-19T16:30:51.347+00:002022-03-19T16:30:51.347+00:00Law of energy conservation rules out clearly perpe...Law of energy conservation rules out clearly perpetual motion machines...<br /><br />There is a big misunderstanding here...<br /><br />The world usually sees BW as a PM...<br /><br />This is not correct... BW is not a PM...<br /><br />It is just a gravity converter...<br /><br />Hence all the confusion...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-3954212161571413212022-03-19T15:48:19.365+00:002022-03-19T15:48:19.365+00:00Lipe... frankly speaking, I didn't get proper ...Lipe... frankly speaking, I didn't get proper schooling... I was dull... I would often runaway from school and home...<br /><br />I just learnt that law of conservation states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed...<br /><br />I hope this is what you are referring...<br /><br />Let me say that I fully agree with this law...<br />It can't be bypassed...<br /><br />Weights are the main parts in BW... Which also makes it clear weights need gravity for their movement...so the weights need gravity constantly to fall...<br /><br />So we can agree that gravity potential energy is continuously converted into kinetic energy...<br /><br />Here no energy is created or destroyed... Just conversion of one form into another...<br /><br />So conservation law is not broken in this case...<br /><br /><br />Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-63839713099228710682022-03-19T15:30:41.774+00:002022-03-19T15:30:41.774+00:00Lipe hey hi... just give me a few minutes... I nee...Lipe hey hi... just give me a few minutes... I need to update myself the conservation laws... I'll get back to you...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-43569616183818002572022-03-19T15:15:42.122+00:002022-03-19T15:15:42.122+00:00Hi Sureshi, let's try law of Conservation of e...Hi Sureshi, let's try law of Conservation of energy. How the wheel would not break it?Lipehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12688782537980638463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-68275633573035869662022-03-19T03:42:26.872+00:002022-03-19T03:42:26.872+00:00If you feel that BW operation is too complicated f...If you feel that BW operation is too complicated for any one to understand then I feel that the actual secret of BW is not fully understood... Because, the mechanism of BW and the way it operates or works both are too simple in nature...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69120744367394766082022-03-19T02:00:25.366+00:002022-03-19T02:00:25.366+00:00Sam... I agree... but we won't be able to conv...Sam... I agree... but we won't be able to convince anyone just by stating this much... We would have to come up with a theory as stated by lipe...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-21006775235630672662022-03-19T01:54:17.629+00:002022-03-19T01:54:17.629+00:00lipe...physics laws are either being updated or br...lipe...physics laws are either being updated or broken from time to time... I agree that some centuries old basic physics laws have stood their ground till now and maybe in future too...<br /><br />But in gravity's case things are different...<br /><br />There is no complete theory here... What Newton stated was corrected by Einstein... There is still room for improvement here...<br />Einstein has made it clear what Gravity is and how it warps the space... But we are still in the dark with regard to how actually gravity is generated and how it really works... I mean we still don't fully know what gravity is... <br /><br />We only know that an object with mass exerts some effect on the surrounding space... The hows and whys of it are still a mystery...<br /><br />A true besslerian can even shed some light on all this... You may find this difficult to understand... Yes, when the physicists understand how BW operates they'll also know finally how to tap gravity energy in a more direct and efficient way not known before... Further, it would also become more clear how gravity itself works...<br /><br />Because I have been constantly pondering on this aspect as well while trying to invent BW... I am thankful to JC sir here... He has also been working on it and was actually responsible to inspire me when he coined the word 'enabler' ...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31032748829483160592022-03-19T01:53:04.835+00:002022-03-19T01:53:04.835+00:00ok... Jeff... Let us reduce this complication by g...ok... Jeff... Let us reduce this complication by getting into a debate right now... And, by the end of the day, I assure you things will be more clear... Are you ready?...<br /><br />You start by first stating one by one gradually what are all those points that are not so clear... Let me see if I can do something about it... Otherwise, I am ready to accept defeat... is this fair enough?...Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-50885765668327537682022-03-19T01:38:31.790+00:002022-03-19T01:38:31.790+00:00Gravity wheel theory. It's hardly a secret; it...Gravity wheel theory. It's hardly a secret; it's been known for hundreds of years. If the weights shift in on the up side and out on the down side the wheel will turn. It's just that scientists are too stupide to figure out how to do that. So, they simply say it's impossible------------------Sam Sam Peppiattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-60994915477673446242022-03-19T01:23:10.067+00:002022-03-19T01:23:10.067+00:00I know the secret of Bessler’s wheel as well. But ...I know the secret of Bessler’s wheel as well. But it’s too complicated for anyone to understand. Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-79837832208067365252022-03-19T01:16:05.442+00:002022-03-19T01:16:05.442+00:00Lipe... You do make valid points and I am amused v...Lipe... You do make valid points and I am amused very much...<br /><br />The problem is that the revelation of truth will lead to the secret loss...<br /><br />BW is possible... Bessler did it and so can we... Have you noticed the heavenly bodies?...<br />They are in perpetual motion...<br /><br />You tell me which law is being broken by BW and I will tell you how and why it is not broken... I am ready to answer all your queries...<br /><br />Centuries old Newton's explanation of gravity was broken by Eintein's explanation, wasn't it?...<br /><br />If we come up with a theory for BW before building the same then it can be easily copied by anyone...<br /><br />Please let me know gradually, one by one, what is it that you find difficult to digest regarding BW... I will try my best to clear the same today itself...<br /><br />Ask simple questions one after another... rather than going for the entire theory straightaway...<br /><br />Please remember that I am not qualified like you but I know how BW works...<br /><br />I will make this more clear today itself... I am also too fed up with the way JC sir is dodging... You can't fool all the people all the time...things have been dragged too long...<br /><br />Now brace up and shoot your questions... I am ready to take a little more risk...<br /><br />I am grateful to you for taking up this matter... I am also happy that you are so polite which many people lack here...<br /><br />Did you notice how Jeff reacted to my offer?...<br /><br />You are a nice character...<br />Suresh Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204535280064717108noreply@blogger.com