tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post6906639487556640089..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Primum Mobile or Primum Movens - The Unmoved Mover.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-60484633788545115502019-04-19T22:07:54.342+01:002019-04-19T22:07:54.342+01:00MT may be a collection of devices that don't w...MT may be a collection of devices that don't work, but he also added comments about what is right and wrong, or what works and what doesn't work, and he said if you combine some of them you could come up with the movement needed for PM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-56604331105988442542019-04-17T08:49:31.215+01:002019-04-17T08:49:31.215+01:00It is and it isn’t! Parts of it do appear in MT b...It is and it isn’t! Parts of it do appear in MT but it isn’t as simple as that. Any way you will no in a few weeks. 🙂<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-18163345349128237272019-04-16T22:14:56.085+01:002019-04-16T22:14:56.085+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69587563294315916372019-04-16T22:10:33.052+01:002019-04-16T22:10:33.052+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-50949865074745915582019-04-16T21:01:54.799+01:002019-04-16T21:01:54.799+01:00John, we are waiting eagerly. But my gut tells me ...John, we are waiting eagerly. But my gut tells me that your solution is probably a variation of a design in Bessler's MT. <br />Please remember Bessler's MT is basically "I tried, they are not working, do not try these" collection. <br />yellownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-47684481056377225792019-04-16T18:54:25.306+01:002019-04-16T18:54:25.306+01:00Bessler was likely implying his springs were not m...Bessler was likely implying his springs were not mainsprings like in a watch. Since his axle was not fixed this wouldn't be too hard to understand - unless he used a heavy weight hanging from the axle to act as an artificial horizon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-29718052927095682402019-04-16T17:46:22.885+01:002019-04-16T17:46:22.885+01:00There are occasions when a spring is useful for in...There are occasions when a spring is useful for instance where you have two hinged levers which can open to maximum, they may need a spring for helping the subsequent closure of the two levers which might otherwise lock open. Hard to explain in just words but my feeling is that that is what Bessler meant when he said spring were sometimes used but not in the way the questioner implied.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-55586975065072971982019-04-16T15:48:57.746+01:002019-04-16T15:48:57.746+01:00James, you'll have better success proving the ...James, you'll have better success proving the world is flat than finding an external pushing force. Le Sage's theory is a macro interpretation of his observations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-65753580151532455182019-04-16T15:35:03.995+01:002019-04-16T15:35:03.995+01:00Anonymous 15 April 2019 at 22:51 was my post and I...Anonymous 15 April 2019 at 22:51 was my post and I personally don't see a need for springs at this time, at least with the approach I am taking. I merely threw out the information for those looking to confirm their use.<br /><br />You can say springs were not needed in your opinion, but to state it as a matter of fact as you did is wrong since you do not have a working Bessler Wheel or a complete decoding of AP to confirm that.<br /><br />While springs can store energy, they can do other things such as apply a resistance force to keep weights from free falling (e.g., zero length springs), so really there is no way to tell how Bessler used springs or for what purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-40143684411627084972019-04-16T06:59:01.786+01:002019-04-16T06:59:01.786+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-42672494181121625232019-04-16T06:51:16.752+01:002019-04-16T06:51:16.752+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69374638335156401342019-04-15T22:51:39.512+01:002019-04-15T22:51:39.512+01:00In 1678 Robert Hooke conceived the law of springs ...In 1678 Robert Hooke conceived the law of springs known as Hooke's law. He used a coil spring in his experiments so this suggests he had access to springs of sufficient quality to experiment with and prove his theory.<br /><br />This occurred many years before Bessler even began experimenting with his wheels. What this tells me is, if Bessler did use springs in his wheel, they were likely reliable and had predictable/repeatable performance, so they could have been employed in a more technical way than just dampening or pushing. Just my opinion of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-33596385960262450082019-04-15T22:36:37.744+01:002019-04-15T22:36:37.744+01:00Gravittea, I don't think "swinging" ...Gravittea, I don't think "swinging" is the accepted translation anymore. John C. can chime in on this, but I think "movement" or "motion" is the accepted translation. Too bad because swinging is SO specific and implies a pendulum type movement, even if it was a single shot movement. It may still be the true movement, just not exactly how Bessler worded it, possibly to hide the true motion. Because of the change in accepted translation, you can't conclude that CF was the added force, but you can proceed under that assumption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-71010473966901132392019-04-15T18:42:28.268+01:002019-04-15T18:42:28.268+01:00The weights gained force by their swinging...........The weights gained force by their swinging......... First is the weight of the mass then there is the additional force that is added by their swinging.Gravitteahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904100340384577146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-16076296613159873162019-04-15T18:16:02.633+01:002019-04-15T18:16:02.633+01:00And might you, Glorioso Verbosa, comprehend WHY yo...And might you, Glorioso Verbosa, comprehend WHY you are not of such worthiness, so as to merit a thoughtful response? Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38780330350991549332019-04-15T05:57:52.891+01:002019-04-15T05:57:52.891+01:00i climbed jacobs ladder and try to ring bell. but ...i climbed jacobs ladder and try to ring bell. but then i fall and land on head. all i get for effort is big lump on head and no pm!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-27203807627117141892019-04-14T21:14:14.457+01:002019-04-14T21:14:14.457+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stephen Gloriosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305514113840044382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73692274468103756972019-04-14T12:24:17.237+01:002019-04-14T12:24:17.237+01:00John, in re-reading your latest opus, this paragra...John, in re-reading your latest opus, this paragraph part featured special resonance for me:<br /><br />". . . It is not regarded as an energy source because it is a conservative force. A conservative force is a force with the property that the work done in moving a particle between two points is independent of the path taken. . . ."<br /><br />This is all believable on it's face so, what we are left with is the also obvious answer that a device must be constructed and built to the end of being asymmetrically RESPONSIVE to the uniform conservative attractive field of gravity. Such a phenomenon would then cause the device TO BEHAVE non-conservatively. <br /><br />Regarding this most unusual (to put it leastwise) achieved effect, my belief is that it would then become dependent upon direction of rotation - one or the other - meaning that, in one way the energy inserted to initiate it's rotation would be lessened or lost, and in the other gained, the two direction-dependent outputs summing identically to what was initially input, and therefor preserving conservation externally. (This, of course, so as to keep peaceful the Lab-coat Coterie.)<br /><br />To me, all of this seems obvious. I could not put it anymore clearly than that.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-71377041430101244612019-04-14T11:47:03.761+01:002019-04-14T11:47:03.761+01:00Sounds interesting. Will pursue it. Thanks again!Sounds interesting. Will pursue it. Thanks again!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-52912099456381250542019-04-14T11:44:55.982+01:002019-04-14T11:44:55.982+01:00Anonymous 11 April 2019 at 15:17 : after that fine...Anonymous 11 April 2019 at 15:17 : after that fine a warning, the Le Sage sounds even more intriguing.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17802167012893394180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38267857889023061102019-04-13T02:37:48.152+01:002019-04-13T02:37:48.152+01:00Glad to see you are still at it. My last design wa...Glad to see you are still at it. My last design was basically two wheels counter rotating inside one wheel sharing two weights as they turn...each one half full all the time.cwforshorthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16280018583323644543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-55597515641145285232019-04-12T19:51:41.627+01:002019-04-12T19:51:41.627+01:00I don't know what you mean when you say "...I don't know what you mean when you say "resonance" but if you are referring to a repeating movement of an object through some path (such as a pendulum swing), then that is not a unique property, but rather just a forced movement due to constraints placed on the object by pivoting bars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-63090847370029235152019-04-12T19:44:17.850+01:002019-04-12T19:44:17.850+01:00What is your definition of inertia?
Inertia has b...What is your definition of inertia?<br /><br />Inertia has been used interchangeable to mean momentum (MxV), and it also has been used to represent the ability of an object to resist a change in movement, and is measured as the amount of mass (M) of the object.<br /><br />I think including inertia either way is redundant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-63788222280588332582019-04-12T17:51:16.759+01:002019-04-12T17:51:16.759+01:00when translocating the wheel Bessler removed the w...when translocating the wheel Bessler removed the weights, and at that time only a 'twang' was reported, this was caused by the latched/spring part of the mech being released without a weight attached (usually preventing the noise)<br />regards<br />Jon Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-23481821177148087482019-04-12T16:16:56.179+01:002019-04-12T16:16:56.179+01:00RAF James, I highly recommend PUSHING GRAVITY ...RAF James, I highly recommend PUSHING GRAVITY edited by Matthew Edwards (2002) ,2nd chapter (pp9--40)article by prof. James Evans which gives a good historical account of LeSage theory.Enjoy!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com