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I hope it works properly now. If anyone wants to tell me about any further faults I'd really appreciate knowing. BTW my wife tells me the yellow on the first page is too intense so I may have to tone it down!<br /><br />Interesting (I hope!) new blog being posted today or tomorrow.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-39151575554212276582011-09-25T18:57:11.411+01:002011-09-25T18:57:11.411+01:00I believe that, despite the recent questioning of ...I believe that, despite the recent questioning of part of Einstein's Theory of Relativity, we will find that the Conservation of Energy Principle will always remain valid. Energy, defined as "the capacity to do work", can not just suddenly be created out of nothing or, on the other hand, suddenly disappear. To be used, it must first be extracted from something, via transformation, and then be made available to begin moving weights or raising temperatures in a certain location.<br /><br />That then brings one to the next big mystery of Bessler's wheels: Where did the energy they supplied to "outside" machinery come from? To truly be PM wheels that energy had to come exclusively from inside of the wheel or, as Bessler wrote, "The wheel must simply run from its own inner force" which I interpret as a mistranslation of "...from its own inner torque".<br /><br />So what ultimately was the source of the energy produced by his PM wheels? (And, please, no answers involving gravity vortexes, "Offyrean bearings", or tanks of compressed air!)<br /><br />He tells us that all of his "timbers are solid", that nothing is "stationary on the axle", and that there are no "cymbal weights" inside of his wheel's drums. (Note that a "cymbal weight" is another name for the large round dish-like brass weights used at the end of a clock's pendulum. Thus, he specifically tells us his wheels do NOT use pendulums.)<br /><br />So, what else is left to act as a source of energy?technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-48988443125852485552011-09-25T13:59:34.366+01:002011-09-25T13:59:34.366+01:00Yes Anon,..I am also about to finnish and test a w...Yes Anon,..I am also about to finnish and test a working wheel.Isn't it funny how every concievable thing comes in the way,almost to try and prevent the birthing of it.Could it be some sort of conspiracy from the dark side preventing us from having such a blessing to mankind.<br />Even my computer was of line for a week but I am back.<br />Andre I agree with you about Bessler being genuine. I do know how it was done,but do you think I can get to the point where I can prove it!? Now that Einsteins theory is in question maybe we can bring into question Newton's statement that you can not get energy from nothing!Trevornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-49995808503513439222011-09-24T07:05:02.792+01:002011-09-24T07:05:02.792+01:00Technoguy, thanks for looking at it. I wasn't ...Technoguy, thanks for looking at it. I wasn't aware of these demonstrations where skeptics could feel the axle. Dang, I was attracted to that design, perhaps because it's elegant and fits many clues. I also like that torque storage mechanism, quite nifty.<br /><br />Indeed heat engines, mu-metal wheels, "hair" engines and such seem not very practical to me as well in these applications. Likewise, atmospheric clocks running on barometric pressure differences are ingenious, quite brilliant actually but similarly only applicable for clocks.<br /><br />Anyway, thanks for looking into it. Thanks to Arktos I will do some more digging and experimenting with Silux.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-23178723352730322382011-09-23T20:47:55.826+01:002011-09-23T20:47:55.826+01:00@Andre
Okay, so I looked at it and, of course, im...@Andre<br /><br />Okay, so I looked at it and, of course, immediately dismissed it as both unworkable and NOT what Bessler used. <br /><br />I'm sure that there must have been some structural flexing of Bessler's axles during rotation, but it would not have significantly affected a wheel's performance.<br /><br />Remember that Bessler gave public demonstrations of his wheels at which skeptics were invited to approach a wheel, insert their hands into its drums, and feel the axle for themselves. If there had been any inverted pendulums attached to an axle, then this would have been immediately obvious.<br /><br />I also found the news of the faster than light neutrinos to be of interest. This gives hope to those who suggest that faster than light space travel might be possible.<br /><br />So Bessler's wheels might have used HAIR for power! This sounds like a variant of the 19th century machines that used saturated sponges to keep a belt of such sponges moving through a tank of water. The sponges, upon exiting the water, would then pass under a roller that would squeeze the water out and reduce their weight. These contraptions never worked in practice although they were very ingenious in their construction. <br /><br />However, the wet hair approach most likely could be used to maintain the overbalance of a collection of weights inside of a wheel and thereby lead to a workable wheel.<br /><br />But, like the heat engine hypotheses for Bessler's wheels, this approach can not explain how rapidly Bessler's wheels turned. It takes time for hair to absorb water and expand and even more time to dry out again and contract. At best one would be able to make a wheel that only turned very slowly like a Mu metal wheel I once saw demonstrated. <br /><br />That wheel used strands of Mu metal alloy that have the property of "memory". The strands on one side of the wheel (the ascending side) which was in shade and cooler would curl up a bit and shift the center of gravity of the strands to the opposite side of the wheel (the descending side). As the wheel slowly turned, curled up strands arriving on the warmer sunny side of the wheel (the descending side) would heat up and return to their normal uncurled shape again. Thus, the wheel was kept out of balance and would keep rotating as long as there was a temperature difference between the strands on both sides of the axle. I even think I saw another version of this using less expensive bimetallic strips of metal.<br /><br />Yes, they turn (under the correct conditions, that is), but do so at a very low rate. I don't think anyone has gotten any useable power out of one of these yet.technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-6160664441074834122011-09-23T17:58:16.818+01:002011-09-23T17:58:16.818+01:00Anon, are you saying we have to keep it out of the...Anon, are you saying we have to keep it out of the rain?<br />Very cryptic.<br /><br />Several materials shrink or expand under (several) influences. I don't see how this helps us (or anybody). Maybe you can explain it.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-715258957562984812011-09-23T17:56:35.448+01:002011-09-23T17:56:35.448+01:00I'm just fascinated with such anomalies, that ...I'm just fascinated with such anomalies, that keep popping up Doug. Of course none of this has anything to do with Bessler, but it does show that science is always evolving, renewing and questioning itself - and that's the way it should (must!) be. There are no real absolutes. Careful with your house... Two things that's also interesting right now: Uppsala (in Sweden, test site) and reverse thermal entropy. Two (very related) things that will shake quite a few things in thermodynamics in the coming, say, 8 weeks, if I'm not very mistaken. And after that, in the US.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-67173960083670062252011-09-23T17:44:41.038+01:002011-09-23T17:44:41.038+01:00Book of judgement 13-15.
Discover the secret of ...Book of judgement 13-15. <br /><br />Discover the secret of Samson's strength and you find one way to lift weight.<br /><br />The length of a strand of human hair changes with different relative humidities.<br />As the relative humidity increases, hair becomes longer, and as the humidity drops it becomes shorter.<br /><br />Sampson=SunAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-65200095907128070772011-09-23T16:37:25.503+01:002011-09-23T16:37:25.503+01:00Don't get too excited, Andre. The test has to ...Don't get too excited, Andre. The test has to be verified. Most likely, the test that measured the neutrinos will eventually be shown to have either human or equipment error. I'd bet my house.<br /><br />This isn't relevant with bessler's wheels achieving overunity, or were allegedly gravity powered anyway. One is special relativity, the other is classical mechanics. Would the discovery of Higgs boson imply our observations of simple machines are faulty? That would require some connection between the two.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31012075260233493812011-09-23T15:49:08.464+01:002011-09-23T15:49:08.464+01:00Graet Bear 15:30: You are right of course, where i...Graet Bear 15:30: You are right of course, where it not for the acceleration of the pendulum(s) by the moving axle. That's a nifty way to gain kinetic energy. The weights shift round simply by impacting the torque storage mechanism (the flexible rope or tire, wheel in a wheel). It's very elegant.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-89789602378011730432011-09-23T15:37:08.782+01:002011-09-23T15:37:08.782+01:00@Technoguy: in this context, look for a moment at ...@Technoguy: in this context, look for a moment at the Swiss design (interpretation) of Bessler's wheel. There *is* more than a overbalanced pendulum in there - springs and a flexible tire (one could say: rope) acting as a torque storage mechanism. And that, IMO, is (part?) of what's missing. Just have a quick look - it's worth it, I think.<br /><br />@Arktos: thanks! That's a very good tip. Obviously you're far more advanced than me with these formulas and macros on objects. I'll start digging in Silux. This is good stuff. Thanks again! BTW the vibration as speculated upon in the Swiss design is in the (deliberately) "shabby" axel design (see the uneven brass bearings?). The motion of the axle is the result of the rotation of the main wheel itself. Sure, introduces plenty of friction, but interesting nevertheless.<br /><br />@Doug: One of the hallowed laws seems to have bitten the dust, very recently. A pillar of physics — that nothing can go faster than the speed of light — appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein's theories. Scientists at the world's largest physics lab said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light. That's something that according to Einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity — the famous E (equals) mc2 equation — just doesn't happen. <br /><br />And yet it seems to have happened. Also this "law" seems to be not entirely valid i.e. complete. We should stop talking about "absolute laws" that never have changed since the beginning of time. Instead, we should be honest and say something like "based on our current understanding, that is not possible". Many "absolute laws" have been broken many times already.<br /><br />Unless I am very much mistaken (which is entirely possible) I think that within the coming 8 weeks or so another one of these absolute "laws" will be broken. This time in thermodynamics. Yep, "overunity". And no, I'm not referring to Bessler, right now.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-2062391162766736722011-09-23T15:30:43.211+01:002011-09-23T15:30:43.211+01:00I had a look at this site as well (http://www.urs...I had a look at this site as well (http://www.ursach.ch/Bessler/bessler_e.php) <br />Although I'm disinclined to write anything off as truly unworkable, I don't have much confidence in this one.<br /><br />First, in a conventional gravity wheel, turning power is determined by the seperation of the weights. ie. the difference between the two centres of gravity of opposing masses. In this wheel, it looks miniscule so power output would likewise be very little.<br /><br />Secondly, there is little feasible explanation of how the weights at the end of the arm flip over by themselves. If this was easily achievable, none of the other stuff inside would be required!<br /><br />Finally, could a carpenters boy have built this?<br /><br />I shall look forward to the truth when and if the author builds this device.Great Bearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-18492591535086796432011-09-23T09:13:50.587+01:002011-09-23T09:13:50.587+01:00Andre, I had a quick look at the Swiss site you re...Andre, I had a quick look at the Swiss site you referenced. I can well imagine that an inverted pendulum would gain energy from a "vibrating" i.e. horizontally oscillating axle, but wouldn't any excess energy only come from whatever is forcing the axle to oscillate? So unless energy is being fed to it, its oscillation amplitude must diminish?<br /><br />If you've got your version of silux running, you could *force* constant amplitude axle oscillations, just to see what happens. A single line of code in the macro window should do it, e.g.<br /><br />CALC FORMULA (V.X(o1) = (1e-4)*sin((1e-6)*T))<br /><br />And then activate it: >Macro>Activate Macro.<br /><br />Here,<br />V.X is velocity in the x-direction.<br />o1 is the axle object number, assumed to be 1.<br />1e-4 is 1 metre/sec, and 1e-6 is 1 radian/sec, in the required cm-g-μs units.Arktosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-4015234184460674312011-09-22T22:19:12.387+01:002011-09-22T22:19:12.387+01:00The rudimentary laws of nature I mentioned, specif...The rudimentary laws of nature I mentioned, specifically conservation of energy, have never changed since the beginning of the universe.<br /><br /> A wheel that could not only turn itself but do work in addition to the work it did to keep itself turning, would not only be a perfect machine, it would be a more than perfect machine. It would have achieved overunity. It would have defeated frictional losses that are inevitable in every physical system. There isn't a mechanism in nature or manmade that does that.<br /><br />Saying, or believing, that gravity can help is like expecting your computer monitor that you're looking at to spontaneously float off your lap (or desk).<br /><br />The only way to a solution is a system that could utilize an outside energy source someway.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-33188894813788697462011-09-22T20:56:35.521+01:002011-09-22T20:56:35.521+01:00@Andre
You wrote:
"We know that (only) over...@Andre<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br />"We know that (only) overbalancing weights won't do the trick. There must be more to it."<br /><br />Agreed! If it was only overbalanced weights, then one of the tens of thousands of hopeful mobilists during the last 300 years would surely have rediscovered the magic design Bessler found by now.<br /><br />This leads me to conclude that Bessler's design was an overbalanced wheel, but somehow he found a way to make it work with something extra added. Since the only other components he ever mentions other than weights are ropes and springs, then these must have been what allowed his design to work while all others failed.<br /><br />If this is correct, then it means that anyone currently pursuing Bessler's design that is NOT incorporating ropes and springs into his design has a ZERO chance of success! <br /><br />Sorry, I did not follow that discussion of the Swiss inverted pendulum because it did not seem relevant to me to what was going on in Bessler's wheels.<br /><br />Generally, I avoid any hypotheses involving bouncing axles, wobbling drums, internal flywheels, oversized pendulums, subatomic particles, heat engines, magnets, Biblical symbolism or any other such unworkable nonsense. I focus on designs that contain only eight weights on the ends of levers similar to what is shown in MT9. <br /><br />In the notes to MT9 Bessler says, after dismissing "sphere wheels" as useless, that there was a wheel presented by Jacob Leupold which would work if Bessler's "Connectedness Principle" was applied to it.<br /><br />I would advise anyone attempting to duplicate Bessler's wheels to do so by finding Leupold's PM wheel that contained weighted levers and then try to figure out how to make that work by using only eight levers, some interconnecting ropes, and, lest we forget, some springs.<br /><br />One can be very certain that Bessler would have done a great deal of reading about other previous attempts to build overbalanced PM wheels before he even began to work on one of his own.technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69752449349034428362011-09-22T20:15:00.325+01:002011-09-22T20:15:00.325+01:00Technoguy, the problem is that we know very little...Technoguy, the problem is that we know very little for sure about the mechanism(s). We know that (also?) cylindrical weights were employed as Bessler showed some of these to witnesses; possibly drilled lengthwise; acting in pairs according to Bessler, and also springs (but not as a driving force as in clockwork) and perhaps compartments around the inside circumference, according to a witness. That's about it, the rest is (hidden) hints and clues and (our) interpretations of them. <br /><br />So we have to try to envision some kind of simple, probably crude, yet powerful mechanism that can be quite easily constructed.<br /><br />We know that (only) overbalancing weights won't do the trick. There must be more to it. What's missing is what I call the "amplifier"; some device that gives us considerable mechanical advantage and is fairly simple. Such devices exist. The question is, how was is implemented. <br /><br />I'm curious (especially considering your name: technoguy) what you thought of the Swiss inverted pendulum design (with moving pivot) I posted earlier (see link). Although I think that several embodiments are possible, that one is quite well-conceived and credible in my view. <br /><br />Actually I am also very curious what Arktos (using Silux) thinks of that one.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-91424185732081467692011-09-22T19:47:23.780+01:002011-09-22T19:47:23.780+01:00Anybody who wants to solve the mystery of Bessler&...Anybody who wants to solve the mystery of Bessler's wheels needs to stop wasting time with such things as mystical symbolism interpretation, Bessler family geneology, 18th century politics and other such dead ends and focus exlusively on what we know with close to 100% certainty was actually going on inside of his PM wheels. Then, to paraphrase Sarah Palin, "Build, baby, build!". In this way one very lucky person might actually have a chance of rediscovering the actual design that Bessler used.<br /><br />A PM wheel based on the Book of Judges? No Thanks. This is yet another distraction and won't have anything to do with what Bessler used.<br /><br />What do we really know about BESSLER'S wheels???technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-75050733905931881872011-09-22T18:01:14.603+01:002011-09-22T18:01:14.603+01:00Great Bear: yes, I believe too that he's descr...Great Bear: yes, I believe too that he's describing mechanical properties of devices/mechanisms in this cryptic way.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706263884645654930noreply@blogger.com