tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post950577576146111307..comments2024-03-27T11:55:27.988+00:00Comments on Bessler's Wheel and the Orffyreus Code: Sir Isaac Newton misrepresented by the false Frank Edwards attribution.John Collinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-90621836892381704482012-09-06T08:57:44.659+01:002012-09-06T08:57:44.659+01:00Very nice article about Isaac Newton Quotes. This ...Very nice article about <a href="http://thequotes.net/2012/01/isaac-newton-quotes/" title="Isaac Newton Quotes" rel="nofollow">Isaac Newton Quotes</a>. This is very informative about newton.Thanks for sharing...Motivational Quoteshttp://thequotes.net/2012/01/isaac-newton-quotes/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-62589410966191328382012-03-20T07:31:15.624+00:002012-03-20T07:31:15.624+00:00Trust me techno - I have a highly domed head and a...Trust me techno - I have a highly domed head and anything on top looks like a cupcake on top!<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-12198511952036113982012-03-19T20:03:50.285+00:002012-03-19T20:03:50.285+00:00@ JC
Today's hairpieces are light years ahead...@ JC<br /><br />Today's hairpieces are light years ahead of those made decades ago. Today's hairpieces often weigh only about an ounce and are cool on the scalp. Most wearers are unaware that they are wearing one! You can even get ones made from human hair. Gone are the elastic scalp bands. Now the hairpiece is held to the scalp with several strategically placed double sided adhesive "dots" and they will not come off in the wind or while swimming.<br /><br />If I needed one, I'd certainly prefer wearing today's hi-tech hairpiece to that monstrosity that covers Bessler's head in the first DT portrait! LOL!technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-39948305893833973782012-03-19T07:16:50.195+00:002012-03-19T07:16:50.195+00:00Technoguy, I'm balder than I wish, but I once ...Technoguy, I'm balder than I wish, but I once tried a hairpiece and it looked ridiculous!<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-68271653193677682022012-03-19T04:54:10.894+00:002012-03-19T04:54:10.894+00:00@ Fred
Yeah, I've tried the "complementa...@ Fred<br /><br />Yeah, I've tried the "complementary phasing" of multiple independent wheels so that one would take over as the wheel(s) leading it began to lose torque. This approach, which Bessler suggests in several of the early MT illustrations, does not work. The problem, for two independent wheels, is that when the leading wheel's CoM passes the punctum quietus point, it then begins to rise on that wheel's ascending side and increasingly opposes the CoM of the lagging wheel which is still on that wheel's descending side and beginning to approach the punctum quietus. To offset this annoying effect, one is tempted to continue to add additional independent wheels so that one will have more CoM's on the descending side than CoM's on the ascending side. All that happens is that one ALWAYS winds up with the same number of independent CoM's in opposition to each other and no net torque to turn the wheels' common axle. When one finally has THE "right track" design that Bessler used, he will be able to maintain the offset CoM with a SINGLE wheel containing 8 interconnected weighted levers.<br /><br /><br />Good News, everyone...I was able to view parts of that Italian tv Bessler documentary last night and I even had an Italian speaking translator at my side providing English translations for me!<br /><br />I visited a friend of mine who recently purchased a nice little Toshiba "Satellite" laptop and she also got a broadband cable modem for it attached to her cable tv system. The speed was blazing.<br /><br />I did not watch the entire documentary, however, but focused on the parts containing the Weissenstein wheel. Here are my thoughts:<br /><br />1.) I was a bit disappointed with the model of the Weissenstein wheel. When the actor was up close to it, it was obvious that it was only about 6 feet in diameter. But, I guess that was the best that could be done with a tv show's special effects budget.<br /><br />2.) Maybe it was the youtube video or something, but the scenes with the actors seemed to be so dark. Again, I figured that they were using dark backgrounds to save costs on sets.<br /><br />3.) There's something particularly UNconvincing about Italian actors playing Germans! LOL!<br /><br />4.) JC is balder than I imagined him to be! I think he could look decades younger with a nice high quality hairpiece! ;><br /><br />5.) But, at the end of the day, its FAR better to have ANYTHING of tv about Bessler and his wheels than nothing at all...technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69166485422618477392012-03-18T22:26:38.888+00:002012-03-18T22:26:38.888+00:00TG - did you ever try setting up another identical...TG - did you ever try setting up another identical wheel as a 2nd "layer" at 22.5 degrees to the first wheel so it would keep shifting through the rotation?Fredhttp://www.hotmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-73239541418197534902012-03-18T21:22:51.925+00:002012-03-18T21:22:51.925+00:00Unfortunately, I do not have a broadband connectio...Unfortunately, I do not have a broadband connection yet (still not affordable in my area) so I won't be able to view the youtube version anytime soon. Would be nice, however, if someone could post some frames from the documentary showing the Weissenstein wheel recreation. That's really my main interest in the documentary. <br /><br /><br />Trevor wrote:<br /><br />"Those MT drawings were made long before he discovered the secret.<br />I have a working wheel that turns very positively without any cords at all!"<br /><br />Most of the MT drawings probably were made before Bessler finally discovered the "secret" of PM. However, I'm convinced that MT 9 through 20 were purposely selected for inclusion AFTER he discovered the secret and were then inserted into MT in order to present the reader with a set of operational "objections" that would all be overcome with the finally working design that he had found. The drawings of that working design originally appeared at the end of MT but, due to his arrest, were removed, incinerated, and buried. Despite this disaster, however, those dozen drawings can provide us with valuable clues as to how the actual design worked. Again, I stress that these dozen MT drawings only HINT at what the actual wheels' internal design looked like. Do NOT make the newbie mobilist mistake of taking the MT illustrations too literally because ALL of them are unworkable "wrong track" designs.<br /><br />I, too, have had many wrong track designs that "turned very positively"...until they reached equilibrium, that is. None of them ever managed to CONTINUOUSLY ACCELERATE through even a single rotation. Usually some initial shifting of weights would give the wheel a kick that propelled it through a 45 degree increment of rotation, but that would be about it. Never did I see my weights successfully "reset" at the end of 45 degrees of rotation so that another 45 degrees of rotation could take place. But, eventually, I learned what the problem was. My designs were all "wrong track" ones and could NEVER work. Now that is all changed. I have finally "climbed higher on Jacob's Ladder"...metaphorically, that is.<br /><br />Also, don't be concerned about my estimate of the number of cords within a one-directional wheel or sub wheel of a two directional wheel. MT 14 is a ONE-directional wheel and Bessler tells it can be made to work. It contains 36 cords!technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-39643255811214688452012-03-18T14:34:55.590+00:002012-03-18T14:34:55.590+00:00TG you are dreaming,.. Those MT drawings were made...TG you are dreaming,.. Those MT drawings were made long before he discovered the secret.<br />I have a working wheel that turns very positively without any cords at all!<br />I just have to figure out how keep the pendulums swinging...Any suggestions!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-30670004296691136012012-03-18T12:44:44.671+00:002012-03-18T12:44:44.671+00:00Now that the documentary is on youtube , someone c...Now that the documentary is on youtube , someone could translate it for us non italian speakers.<br />I'm curious to know what the experts said.<br />Techno's wheel gets more magical with each description.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-34597387738190681272012-03-18T06:46:33.573+00:002012-03-18T06:46:33.573+00:00Thank you Marc! I'll post it elsewhere too.
...Thank you Marc! I'll post it elsewhere too.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-38243233534698137332012-03-18T01:43:12.359+00:002012-03-18T01:43:12.359+00:00My Friends,
I'm happy to announce that I just...My Friends,<br /><br />I'm happy to announce that I just discovered John's Italian documentary available on YouTube at:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoQVCpKqAg<br /><br />Happy viewing! And, I hope everyone has brushed up on their Italian! lol<br /><br />HutchHutchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-47960241513178727112012-03-17T20:54:37.271+00:002012-03-17T20:54:37.271+00:00@ Trevor
I've made some estimates of the numb...@ Trevor<br /><br />I've made some estimates of the number of cords used in a one-directional Bessler wheel. If we assume that, in order to "rise in a flash", each 9:00 - 12:00 ascending side weighted lever had to be attached to FOUR other weighted levers whose weights were dropping with respect to their rim stops, that means each weighed lever had to have a minimum of four cords attached to it. Thus, for eight weighted levers we have (8 levers / wheel) x (4 cords / lever) = 32 cords / wheel. BUT, don't forget the SPRINGS! Assuming that each lever had a single spring attached to it and that attachment was not direct, but rather indirectly made through a cord stretched between the lever and end of the spring, then that adds another cord per lever. The total then becomes (8 levers / wheel) x (5 cords / lever) = 40 cords / wheel!<br /><br />But we're not done yet! Those 40 cords are for a SINGLE one-directional wheel. Since a two directional wheel contains TWO one-directional wheels in opposition to each other, that means a two-directional wheel's drum would have contained a minimum of 80 cords!!!<br /><br />Yes, it's certainly alot of cords, but Bessler would not have been deterred by this and he even shows wheels in MT with "high cord counts" (consider MT 14 which he says can be made to work). How were all of these cords arranged within a wheel. Well, let's just say that I eventually found out how, but that's a really tasty nut that I won't be sharing with my fellow squirrels at the moment. But, I can assure everyone that it can be done and in only a few carefully configured "layers". The total thickness of the layers required by a one-directional wheel, at a minimum, need only be a few inches.<br /><br /><br />@ yellowson<br /><br />Ignore ANYONE who tries to tell you PM is impossible. I classify them as "NO trackers" since they only parrot what they have been taught by other "no trackers" and, generally, have made NO attempts, even "wrong track" ones, to find some answers for themselves through HANDS ON construction or modeling. Most no trackers are unaware of the ENORMOUS amount of energy contained in metal weights that is just waiting to be released WHEN they are finally used in the correct "right track" mechanism. If they do acknowledge this energy, they will say that it is impossible to release. In reality, it is impossible for THEM to do this, not for BESSLER or for anyone else who gets on and STAYS ON the "right track"!technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-80182023127193907922012-03-17T10:44:44.577+00:002012-03-17T10:44:44.577+00:00I want to share this video with you; http://www.yo...I want to share this video with you; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ht2lwy8bo&list=PL02BFAF4554A77F78&index=8&feature=plcp<br />Basically this professor says perpetual motion is impossible but let's say you find it, do not publicize it, just sell the power! I know selling the power is not as easy as it sounds, but at least, it is a different perspective you may consider.yellowsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-36809613690207482852012-03-17T06:40:11.855+00:002012-03-17T06:40:11.855+00:00I believe that Bessler used separate layers becau...I believe that Bessler used separate layers because each set of weights requires the full use of the 360 degree circumference.<br />So obviously there were four layers.You don't need another whole set of weights for reverse direction because with a symmetrical configuration over balancing can happen both ways,..from the top to the bottom!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-19137122695655423362012-03-17T03:48:14.352+00:002012-03-17T03:48:14.352+00:00@ John Worton
You ONLY wasted 12 years? I ENVY y...@ John Worton<br /><br />You ONLY wasted 12 years? I ENVY you, sir! I wasted several TIMES that amount before I finaly woke up to what was REALLY going on inside of Bessler's wheels.<br /><br />Yes, yes, APV55 does say a FEW things that pertain to the appearance of Bessler's wheels such as the children playing with the clubs among the columns (a reference to the axle's pegs lifting and dropping the wooden stampers placed near the axle between the vertical supports or "columns" holding the axle) or the horses wandering aimlessly (the weights rotating about the axle) or the peacock's tail (what the drum's radial supports looked like when the side coverings were removed). That's about it, though.<br /><br />You wrote "There are definitely no ‘Cords’ inside of Bessler’s Wheels." Oh, Really?<br /><br />It is in MT 9 that Bessler announces a new way of making a PM gravity wheel that uses chains or belts to interconnect the weighted levers and says that Leupold's lever wheel (which had no such interconnected weighted levers) could be made to run using Bessler's "Connectedness Principle". In order to have "connectedness" one needs something to do the connecting together of the weighted levers. Chains are too noisy and leather belts have their problems. Cords, however, are light, strong, quiet, and can be dyed various colors for easy identification.<br /><br />Bessler also mentioned that he built his wheels in "layers". Considering that each active wheel (or sub wheel in a two directional wheel) would have required DOZENS of cords spanning the spaces between its 8 weighted levers, it would have been impossible to place them all into the same plane. They would have been carefully separated into different parallel planes or layers so that, during drum rotation, no two cords would rub across each other and fray until they finally broke and thereby interferred with the smooth shifting of the active weighted levers within a drum. During any 45 degrees of drum rotation, certain cords would have been "tight" (and thereby transfering energy / mass between weights) and others would have been "loose" (and thereby not transfering energy / mass between weights).<br /><br />The important thing, JW, is not how much time one has wasted on "wrong track" approaches to solving the Bessler Wheel Mystery, but how quickly he gets onto the "right track" so that he doesn't waste anymore time and can finally start to make some real progress for a change.technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-5884232768098433612012-03-17T03:26:34.473+00:002012-03-17T03:26:34.473+00:00Technoguy and Frank Edwards have a lot in common.Technoguy and Frank Edwards have a lot in common.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-67049957107547995902012-03-16T21:30:40.844+00:002012-03-16T21:30:40.844+00:00@ Technoguy
IF you are Right; then I am Wrong: I ...@ Technoguy<br /><br />IF you are Right; then I am Wrong: I will have wasted 12 years of my life (six years part-time/ six years full-time) and £30,000 on ‘The Wrong Track’; as you define it. <br />I am NOT a Newbie Mobilist. I say again that ‘those words in APV55’ and ‘the images in MT,’ are much more than ‘a HINT’ at the workings of Bessler’s Gravity Wheel: they describe real and recognisable PARTS of the machine. <br /><br />No recognition; No Posthumous Recognition. <br /><br />There are definitely no ‘Cords’ inside of Bessler’s Wheels.<br /><br />I may have made a BIG MISTAKE and so may YOU, <br /><br />Time will tell!<br /><br />JWJohn Wortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16741664408072760267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-67803611289573571572012-03-16T20:42:03.783+00:002012-03-16T20:42:03.783+00:00Once again misconceiving closed and open systems.Once again misconceiving closed and open systems.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-4425917381187558372012-03-16T19:52:40.384+00:002012-03-16T19:52:40.384+00:00@ JC
I agree. There's a joke that says, &quo...@ JC<br /><br />I agree. There's a joke that says, "The internet is full of information...some of it is actually accurate!". However, I like to think that, over time, the truth will emerge and those sites that contain erroneous info will be updated or eliminated. <br /><br /><br />Doug wrote:<br /><br />"It's a factual error that gravity is capable of turning a wheel"<br /><br />Don't tell that to the people who build water wheels! LOL!<br /><br />Of course, in a water wheel one side is aways ALOT heavier than the other. In an OB PM gravity wheel, however, both sides will contain the same amount of weight. The torque produced is the result of the sustained eccentricity of the CoM of the wheel's weights. How is that possible?<br /><br />One way to think of how an OB PM gravity wheel would work is that it would contain the mechanics necessary to cause the CoM of its active weights to actually continously slide away from the punctum quietus as the drum attempted to bring that CoM back to that point. In the process the drum experiences a continuous torque and accelerates. It's sort of like a dog chasing its tail! I've seen a friend's dog do this on occasion and he can really fan the air around himself at top speed. But, then again, so could Bessler's wheels!technoguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-69687832897486905082012-03-16T14:27:39.349+00:002012-03-16T14:27:39.349+00:00On the subject of the faster than light neutrinos:...On the subject of the faster than light neutrinos:<br /><br />http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/official-word-on-superluminal-ne.html?ref=hp<br /><br />Oops!Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-26957434221953838132012-03-16T13:24:46.269+00:002012-03-16T13:24:46.269+00:00Newton was probably thinking along those lines if ...Newton was probably thinking along those lines if he didn't say that exact quote; he realized there wasn't any way to reflect gravity; so he stopped there, and it never appeared in his notes again. His abandonment of the topic would imply he didn't think such devices were possible, whether or not he said so. I'll cut him some slack for that considering it against his body of work. <br />It's a factual error that gravity is capable of turning a wheel:)Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-31039610155811672872012-03-15T21:54:15.113+00:002012-03-15T21:54:15.113+00:00Good points techno, I just get irritated by the nu...Good points techno, I just get irritated by the number of factual errors which get propagated on the internet.<br /><br />JCJohn Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13274781515636883957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4862207778089432835.post-34166879279234868002012-03-15T21:36:44.949+00:002012-03-15T21:36:44.949+00:00In consideration to the "good" that Edwa...In consideration to the "good" that Edwards did in promoting interest and research into various "exotic" subjects, I'm prepared to cut him some slack over this alleged Newton quote.<br /><br />For example, maybe Edwards had access to some material on Newton that we do NOT yet have access to and that was the basis for him attributing the quote to Newton. Afterall, if we want to be honest, we have to admit that not everything is on the internet yet. For example, there was a reference to an ENGLISH translation of DT that was published in 1770 (I think I recall reading this in Dircks' book). Yet, I've never seen that translation...have you?<br /><br />The alleged quote is also something that actually does describe what mobilists have always looked for: a machine that will output energy / mass without needing to be supplied with a greater amount in some "conventional" form. An OB wheel that slowly converts and outputs the energy / mass of its weights would certainly fit that description.<br /><br />Yet, the alleged quote is not an absolute denial of the possibility of PM. Based on his sketch of a PM gravity wheel, Newton was obviously open to the possibility. So, this quote is not one that I could immediately rule out as something Newton might have said.technoguynoreply@blogger.com