I’ve always been surprised that, given the huge number of clues I have found, deciphered and published, apparently nobody has ever taken my information about Bessler’s codes any further. Of course I realise that without a drawing showing the exact configuration of the internal mechanisms, no one could know exactly how it worked and therefore no drawings have appeared.
One of the things I revealed was the pentagram hidden in the first drawing in Das Triumphirende. (DT). I thought that the obvious way forward with that knowledge would be to assume that at least one segment of the pentagram could hold vital information. It does but you have to work at it.
There are other factors which have to be appreciated and worked out but the information is all there. There is also vital information in the other three images in (DT). The image in Apologia Poetica also contained information but was limited to having a pentagram secreted within it. There are numerous other pieces of information buried within all three of his books, but I don’t include Maschinen Tracte (MT) because it was never published and any encoded stuff was included for discussion purposes among his future students.
Examine the picture below. It demonstrates what I mean by ‘hidden in plain sight’, a favourite’ technique used by Bessler in many places. This one appeared in Johann Bessler’s Das Triumpant Orffyrean Perpetual Motion book. It was a second version of the original design which was included in his first booklet, Grundlicher Bericht. There are a few differences between the two versions but mostly I use the second drawing to illustrate my finds.
In the picture note the six columns or pillars, not including the main one supporting the wheel. The tops of two of them (numbered 4) are drawn in three dimensions, numbered 4, but the other four, numbered 12, are two dimensional and their tops are indicated by my short red lines. The latter act as datum points. The two on either side of the central pillar provide pointers to enlarge the circumference of the wheel.
The green line which is extended from the left side of the picture and aligns with the centre of the wheel, indicates one of two possible diameter lines. Two lines each drawn 18 degrees apart from the lower end of the green line conform to Euclid’s pentagram construction advice. The yellow line at 18 degrees from the green diameter line crosses the wheels edge at exactly the point where the hidden rope emerges from behind the wheel.
Confirmation is provided by the other two datum points which align with the purple 18-degree line and the hatching lines on the wheel and the capital letter M. If you draw a line similar to the purple line but aligning the left sides of the two red lines, the alignment is perfect with the hash marking in the wheel. I think that both lines finish in the same place but obviously they can’t both do that as well as align perfectly with the hash markings.
Notice that the outer circle now includes the left side of the ‘T’ pendulum, the point of the padlock, and touches the bottom and right edges of the rectangular border of the drawing.
The padlock in this version is numbered 42 instead of 24; a typo? No, it indicates that the drawing must be turned upside down.
While we are on that subject, notice the shadows under the main wheel drawing are shown on the left as they should be, given that the window is above the wheel to the right, but why then are the shadows under the sideways-on wheel shown on the right as if the window was above it on the left, which it clearly isn’t. This tells that the wheel needs to be turned upside down but also from left to right or right left, to create a mirror image which would place the shadows correctly. The division point where the two half images separate is at the foot of the left hand pillar, numbered 12.
That’s all for now.
JC
Looks like yet another rehash of past blogs' "clues". WHERE is your "FINAL BIG REVEAL" that you promised would be delivered BEFORE your 81st birthday??? That's what everyone here wants to see. The clock is ticking and it's now only about three weeks to your birthday! We want to see simmable drawings, photos, and videos for a change...not more rehash from a decade or more ago!
ReplyDeleteOr it could be a human trait; looking for patterns to make sense of things. It's very likely that no clues are in any of the drawings and like he said, the only way to duplicate his wheel is by combining the correct MT drawings with a discerning mind. Even though they weren't published.
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Delete"It's very likely that no clues are in any of the drawings..."
DeleteImo the clues are definitely there because of Bessler's need to be able to prove priority to his invention in the future should that need arise. What I've seen in the past several blogs here well convinces me of that. The question is whether or not John's clues are actually Bessler's clues and have, by John, been correctly interpreted or are John's clues just the result of his apophenia and delusional thinking? The problem with being delusional is that those suffering from this condition are usually completely unaware of it and will immediately deny it when it is suggested that they are. Psychiatrists refer to the condition as being "refractory" meaning very difficult to treat.
I understand your reactions but it’s disheartening. I shall continue to share what I know, but the upper case words of anon 14.42 are akin to shouting and are unlikely to force me nor encourage me to hurry up with my reveal. I have my own problems to overcome unrelated to the wheel, which takes time, but as promised, what I know I will share by my next birthday. I fear that anon.14:42s toxic language suggests that he won’t accept what I share anyway. But there are good people here and I hope my information will be welcomed by them, at least.
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I didn’t mean to dishearten you; good luck until your birthday John.
DeleteThanks, I’m not usually prone to negative feelings but there other issues which are pressing on me just now. Take no notice, I’ll be fine tomorrow.
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I think that first comment by anon 14:42 wasn;t really meant to be "toxic". I view it as an expression of the frustration all of your past disappointments have built up in the regulars around here. I think this time they actually expect to see something from you on time other than more excuses. I remain convinced that this time you will finally deliver something real for us. Past clues you've found might seem important to you, but I think most here will continue to dismiss them unless they lead to something that works or, at least, looks like it could work. I'm sure that whatever real world personal problems you are currently experiencing will eventually resolve themselves in one way or another. They always do.
DeleteI'm starting to have a bad feeling about the promised soon coming big reveal. This is the first time I've ever seen JC mention that he has "negative feelings". Fawk, he could, like Bessler was, be suffering from SAD or seasonal affective disorder made worse by the chronic depression that a lot of seniors suffer from. That added to personal problems could make him too lethargic to even take a single photo of his current build and upload it here. What I'm trying to say is that his planned reveal may become mood dependent and he may soon announce that he can't show anything to us until the weather gets sunnier and warmer like maybe in May or June and his mood finally improves enough. Then again, maybe I'm just overthinking all of this. February 5th is about three weeks away. Let's hope any negative feelings he has are gone before then.
Delete😠😠😠Personally, I'm FED UP with all of the delays around here. That's why I've decided to finally reveal what I know about Bessler's wheels. Actually, I've known what his secret design was for YEARS now, but I kept quiet about it because I was curious to see if anyone else could find it. JC? KB? Hell, no, you can believe me that those two aren't anywhere close to Bessler's REAL secret design. I AM! Maybe tomorrow, IF my current angry mood lasts, I will show you all how Bessler actually did it. It's truly so simple that a carpenter's boy or any low IQ simpleton for that matter could build it in no time flat. IF I decide to reveal Bessler's design tomorrow I think everyone here will be TOTALLY STUNNED at how simple it is and wonder endlessly why no one ever found it before. Bye for now and PRAY that I stay angry until tomorrow! I'm NOT kidding about any of this!
DeleteDear God, please let anon 00:22 stay angry for another 24 hours...
DeleteBut, not angry enough to have a heart attack or stroke BEFORE he shows us what he's got!
Delete@anon 00:22...if I had a dollar for every Bessler "expert" that showed up on the internet proclaiming that he "knew" how Bessler's wheels worked, I'd be a millionaire by now! When someone like you appears, I keep these wise words of Bessler in mind:
Delete"But if anyone should presume to say that my Wheel is definitely such-and-such without having seen it, he is a fool and a fantasizer of the first order. He deserves to have a donkey's tail affixed to his lying rump."
So, please do share your "solution" with us...meanwhile, if it looks like another waste of time nonrunner, we will have that donkey's tail ready for affixing to your derrière. Now where did we leave those pins? Someone find a nice long and sharp one for him! Maybe the pinch of it will help take some of that anger out of him.
And another Bessler pm wheel expert puts the final touches on his solution to the mystery!
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😠😠😠ATTENTION anyone here with an IQ over 70!
ReplyDeleteI'm back and still angry! I almost decided to show nothing of what I discovered about the secret of Bessler's wheels, but then I realized, if I did that, I'd be written off as just another nut case showing up here making a hot air claim he can't back up. Well, unlike that kind of pathetic loser, I'm a VERY serious Bessler researcher, so I've decided to PROVE it here and now! Based on my MANY years of studying every clue Bessler ever hid anywhere, here's the secret design I found that he actually used:
https://postimg.cc/c62xjQnx
I won't waste your time with some long and boring explanation of how it works. With Bessler's actual design, you don't need any explanation because his REAL design explains itself! Did Count Carl need a long explanation? HELL NO! He immediately realized that Bessler had a runner and so will you when you see that drawing I so generously decided to reveal to you. I leave the long tedious explanations of their NOT Bessler's wheel designs to the likes of JC, KB, and others because I've got far more important things to do then spend my days scribbling away on a bunch of techno babble most people won't ever read!
The best advice I can give to any serious Bessler pm chaser is to tell him to take whatever soon to be dead duck nonrunnering nonsense he is now wasting his time and effort on, tear it apart, and then just throw its parts back in his junk parts collection or, better yet, the nearest recycling bin where they belong! They're just USELESS JUNK as he will soon realize after seeing MY solution to the Bessler wheel! Start working on what I show in my drawing here if you FINALLY want an overbalanced type pm wheel that will ACTUALLY work!
STILL Angry
P.S. No need to thank me since I know your envy won't permit it. My first ever discovery of Bessler's actual secret pm wheel design is all of the thanks I will ever need!
Whoa bro! You need to cut back on the red bull. Your too wired up. Relax man. Meanwhile I'll check out your wheel. Looks interesting.
DeleteNo. Just No. Thank you for taking the time to share anyway.
DeleteP.S. With this design I don't see weights which rest below rising in a flash. I don't see crosses/crossbars. Bessler hints to the importance of storks bill which very likely are integral to his runners. Where are they? And the clue about 1 lb dropping causing 4 lb to fly upwards -- I just don't see it.
Welcome, SA!
DeleteDespite your somewhat bellicose representation, I did find your "actual" solution to be most interesting. It's certainly simple and would produce eight impact sounds on the descending side. There are no ropes involved, but, then again Bessler never specifically mentioned that HIS connectedness principle used them for lever coordination. Many here only assume that ropes were used. Maybe as you show, the coordination was just due to the positions of the isolated levers?
When I get a chance, I'll do a quick graphical analysis to see where the center of gravity is for the eight weights in your wheel. You show it on the descending side of the wheel near the axle. However, if you just guessed at the location, then you could be wrong about it as others here have been in the past. Unless it's located on the descending side somewhere, your wheel won't start when released. Even if it does start, though, there's still the problem of the wheel remaining out of balance throughout 45 degrees of clockwise rotation. If that does not happen, then it's just another dead duck that we can add to the collection of them that has accumulated on this blog over the years.
Imo, if SA's wheel is going to work, it is going to require some very careful adjustment of the springs in the design. As a spring is made tighter, it will pull the weighted lever approaching 6 o'clock over earlier which is good for cw torque. But, that will then prevent the weighted lever approaching 12 o'clock from hanging down as vertically as possible which is bad for cw torque. I agree that the design is very simple and a carpenter's boy would have no problem building it. But, is it possible for it to stay OB as it turns? I can't tell just by looking at it. It needs to be simmed. Also, thanks SA for sharing it with us.
DeleteStill Angry: "I'd be written off as just another nut case showing up here making a hot air claim he can't back up."
DeleteThe center of gravity you have is wrong. No sim is necessary. You are a pathetic, nut case loser making a hot air claim you can't back up.
@SA
DeleteI did this graphical analysis of the location of the cog of the eight weights in your wheel design and it confirms that it is located where you show it to be in your original drawing.
https://i.postimg.cc/pr4wdNFf/CONFIRMED.jpg
However, you show the 12:00 weight hanging straight down and, if it has a stretched spring applying some cw torque to its lever, that won't be the case for a real world model. That 12:00 weight will be pulled a little onto the wheel ascending side and, as a consequence, the location of the cog of all eight weights will rise closer to the center of the axle, but should still be on the wheel's descending side.
Your design, if it's a runner, will have very low torque and power output. It really needs to be simmed and, unfortunately, I do not sim. Hopefully someone else here can give it a try for you.
Congrats SA! I can see why you are convinced you have Bessler's runner. It's obvious that it has to work! I think anyone can see that. But I do agree with others that the springs have to be very carefully adjusted. You don't tell us what the weight masses or the spring values are supposed to be, but maybe that's not important for your general purpose drawing. There is probably a precise relationship between the mass of a weight and the spring's constant needed to maintain the overbalance of the wheel so it can run nonstop. Anyone building this simple pm wheel design will have to decide what strength spring to use and how much to stretch it once he's settled on the eight weight masses to use. That will take some doing but well worth it to get a runner. I'm looking forward to seeing some sims finally proving it's a runner. You claim it's the exact design Bessler used and that's a bold claim to make. Expect to get a lot of blow back from those on this blog that are convinced otherwise even though they never produce and show us anything as impressive as what you've shown us. Good luck with it!
Delete😠😠😠Thanks to all the 70+ IQ people here who realized how superior MY solution to the Bessler wheel is.
DeleteNow that it's FINALLY solved, it's time to start building them and putting them to work to help solve a LOT of this polluted dying planet's problems. Yeah I know what I decided to show is low torque, but that can be made up for by just using bigger wheels with heavier weights. Also, like Bessler said, just put more of them on a single axle. If we replaced one of those UGLY wind or solar "farms" with a field containing dozens of my Bessler wheels that were big enough they would keep right on putting out a LOT more energy at night and when the wind didn't blow and do it for a LOT less money so there's no need for a LOT of expensive and dangerous backup batteries all over the place. But the Big Money guys that now suck the cash out of the tax and utility rate payer's pockets by selling their JUNK green energy CR*P tech to their STUPID and CROOKED politicians won't let that happen any time soon. They are raking in TRILLIONS every year and they intend to keep on doing it as long as possible. Just fill a power hungry politician's pocket with the cash he or she needs to get elected and they will vote ANYWAY you want them to!
I'm also looking forward to seeing the 100+ IQ smartest here make sims showing that MY solution to the Bessler wheel ABSOLUTELY 100% WORKS. I have NO doubt that their sims will PROVE it does.
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Your solution is a turd.
DeleteAccording to SA you have to have an IQ above 70 to appreciate how amazing SA's solution really is. I think he's solved it so I'm okay. But, let's see what the sims say.
DeleteIt's only "amazing" if it works. You can't trust hand drawn ob pm wheel sketches and that "graphical analysis" by anon 16:17 is really just another sketch and I wouldn't trust it when it's applied to a small sketch with a cog close to the center of a wheel. Maybe on a much larger drawing it works, but I doubt if it is reliable enough for SA's wheel. His design needs to be simmed by someone who knows how to make accurate sims and not by newbies just getting into simming.
DeleteSomeone with an IQ barely above room temperature here. Do the turning moment drawings show a positive net torque ( re. CoG position ) when a 45 degree sector is divided up into equal intervals and calculated and then averaged for the sector i.e. do they show a likelihood or chance to generate a surplus torque and cause a wheel acceleration and building of momentum?
Delete@anon 04:22. Someone with an IQ at the freezing point of water here. Could you please rephrase your question into very simple English for people like me?
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DeleteSorry to be the bearer of bad news, but anon 16:17 is wrong about the location of the COG of your solution to the Bessler wheel. I decided to sim it and made my model as precise as possible using very weak spring tensions. As you can see from the gif of the sim I linked to below, the COG is near the center of the axle and located slightly onto the left side of the wheel. Upon starting, that location of the COG only causes the wheel to oscillate first CCW and then CW and back over and over again (a motion we call "keeling"). My model is 36 inches in diameter with 1 lb. weights on a 1 lb. wheel (all other parts have negligible mass. Also ignore the transparent squares. They are only used for modular assembly placement and can be deleted which I did not do for your model because it would have pinned the ends of springs to the background instead of the wheel.). The springs were only 0.5 in. unstretched, but would stretch to a maximum length of 6.53 in. when a weight was in contact with its stop. Their spring constants were only 0.025 lb./in. each.
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I don't think this design can be made to run. Sorry to disappoint you. One can so easily get excited over a hand drawn design and then an accurate sim comes along and quickly brings him back down to planet Earth again. Maybe if you keep working on your design, you can eventually turn it into a runner but I don't see how that could be done. Also, I would encourage others here to also sim it for SA just in case I messed up my sim somehow although I don't think I did. Good luck with it, SA.
😠😠😠EXACTLY what I expected would happen happened! The low IQ types here are just NOT smart enough to properly sim my wheel. I don't know why I ever thought some might be. MY mistake which I WON'T make again. I TOTALLY REJECT his poorly made sim because I KNOW the CoG of MY solution to the REAL Bessler wheel IS located on the falling side of the wheel and NOT where anon 15:36's TOTALLY WORTHLESS sim shows it to be. I can see now that it's time for ME to prove MY solution by MYSELF. NO, I won't be wasting time with some buggy overpriced sim program. I intend to BUILD the wheel MYSELF and if my anger for THIS worthless blog ever gets any less which I doubt then I MAY return with a video showing it running away. Then you will all see how right I was after all and how COMPLETELY WORTHLESS those sims are just like the LOSERS who feel high and mighty because they think they know how to use them the right way which they DO NOT!
DeleteI'm even starting to think that his messed up sim could be part of a secret plot here to make me think my wheel is a worthless nonrunner so I will forget all about it which WON'T happen. Then a year from now some low IQ CREEP on this blog will show up claiming HE discovered it first! Who knows how many good ideas have already been STOLEN here from others! Maybe even Big Oil or the government is involved in it. They have both been secretly suppressing free energy inventions for DECADES! That lets the CROOKS running our world keep raking in the BIG $$$'s every year off of fossil fuels and the latest BS SCAM called Green Energy. The only thing green about it is the money being ripped out of our pockets to pay for it. After 20 years it's done NOTHING to lower the CO2 in the air and that's exactly what it will do in the next 20 years...absolutely NOTHING!
I don't have the time to waste trying to TEACH all of the low IQ types here about how Bessler's wheels REALLY worked. I have more important things to do like building my working wheel. Goodbye LOSERS!
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just for STILL an Asshole . if he had bothered to draw it accurately & in different positions he would have seen where the CoG was located . for others , the lever weight offset has a maximum of 45 degrees so that the 7.30 o'cl is horizontal & the 10.30 o'cl is vertical as per his drawing . proportions are best estimates based on the drawing . the springs length is made to be between the longest possible length & the shortest attainable . this is so the spring will begin pulling the 6 o'cl to the right before it reaches 6 o'cl , and the 10.30 o'cl will push its lever weight right before it reaches 10.30 o'cl to try & have the CoG dwell to the right of the axle vertical to provide a net positive torque situation so it would travel beyond at least 1 sector . it moves to it's position of least GPE and oscillates until it stops .
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Deletepoor SA...he was so very confident that he finally had it...so much so that even when it was proven he didn't...he still could not accept it...he needs to do something about all that anger he has inside of him...if not then he could finally grow a large tumor somewhere and drop dead from it...his blood pressure must be sky high...I hope he is being treated for it...maybe in time he will cool off...then he can come back here and calmly discuss his ideas without insulting everyone while doing so...meanwhile we have yet another failed dead duck wheel design to add to our growing pile of them...that pile is getting bigger by the month around here...
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Let's all hope JC's soon to be revealed solution does not also wind up on top of that pile!
DeleteLOL! You don't have to worry about that ever happening anon 02:45 because he will NEVER reveal anything here as I've been accurately predicting so far for months! He's got every naive boob here now 100% convinced he will reveal all in the next two and a half weeks leading up to his 81st birthday because he's putting out so much noise about writing and checking a detailed explanation, working on this or that part of his wheel so it will be easier to understand, getting ready to take and upload photos of it, and blah, blah, blah. I've heard all of these earnest sounding proclamations from him in the past and they ALWAYS lead up to a big fat nothing. That is exactly what will happen again this time. In fact, incredibly, the more insistent he is that he will finally reveal all, the LESS likely it is to happen! You will see that at the very last minute something will come up forcing him to "temporarily" delay any release. It will I predict be some sort of "personal" matter requiring his full attention. He will be so apologetic to everyone here and will promise to get back to working on his release "soon", but he won't give an exact deadline. As you all watch this happen, you will know exactly why I am so confident in my predictions concerning his bizarre behavior. Over the years of following this blog, I learned from him the truth of that old saying "a leopard does not change its spots". His "spots" have not changed in decades and they are not going to change this time just because he's over 80, he's under pressure to reveal, he wants to make sure his big discovery is not lost forever, or he's made a ton of promises in the last few months. There is a reason he is called "The Great Disappointer" and I fully expect him to live up to that title again this time. Now watch and see how right I will be.
Delete@ Anons 15:36 and 23:30 .. Thanks for taking the time to build and present your simulations of the SA design. They both clearly demonstrate the problem of the width for height conundrum. Although an obvious conclusion to reach I'd remind people that IF this wheel design were able to self-start and accelerate Centrifical Forces would delay the lever-weights being pushed or pulled by the springs to the right, making the CoG even less likely to create a net-positive torque.
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DeleteWon't YOU be surprised when John DOES reveal this time and his new title suddenly becomes "John, the Great Revelator"!
Anon 18:43 wrote "IF this wheel design were able to self-start and accelerate Centrifical Forces would delay the lever-weights being pushed or pulled by the springs to the right, making the CoG even less likely to create a net-positive torque."
That's apparently exactly what happened in the case of Bessler's wheels. When released they would take off and accelerate up to a certain maximum speed and then stop accelerating at that time. That had to be due to their internal mechanics being progressively more impaired by the increasing CF acting on their weights with increasing rotational speed. I don't think SA's design has anything in common with Bessler's except for the eight weights on levers and the springs. It was interesting to see how angry he got when his design was tested and shown to just be another "dead duck" (btw, thanks for the AI photo of the pile of dead ducks, anon 00:39). It can be emotionally overwhelming to work on something for years only to see it crash and burn in a matter of seconds because of a single accurate sim. That's why I highly recommend one skip the builds until and unless a sim first shows him he has a runner. Otherwise he will most likely just be wasting all of his time and effort and setting himself up for more emotional trauma that he does not need. Simming is actually a lot easier than one would think but it does require a little practice to become proficient at doing. I'm not trying to make excuses for SA's obnoxious behavior here, but, otoh, I can understand how the frustration of constant failure can make anyone cranky over time. And the longer one continues to fail, the crankier he will get. I'm hoping that John's soon to be disclosed Bessler wheel solution will finally end that frustration for all of us. Its disclosure will, if he doesn't disappoint everyone yet again, be happening in the next two and a half weeks! That's not much more time to wait. Let's just hope he is not as delusional as SA is and does not freak out if his solution does wind up on the top of that pile of dead ducks.
Anon 18:43 was pointing out that there was no net positive torque to cause an acceleration. Had there been, Cf's would have chipped away at it as it sped up. As you point out, most are probably in agreement that Bessler's runners had an internal self-limiter aka speed regulator effect, most likely from Cf's reducing the net torque until there was none extra to cause a further increase in speed. Other than the Kassel water screw test where rpm dropped from 26 to 20 others recorded that the rpm did not change under other load testing. This hints at Cf's involvement as a limiter. Perhaps when a load initially slightly reduced the rpm the weights were temporarily less effected by Cf's and the wheel had more temporary power to put back into work until internal forces balanced again. What was vastly different imo about B's runners from all failed OOB wheels is that they started with power, and had a high acceleration rate initially. They were a class above and beyond a mere width for height arrangement imo.
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DeleteYou wrote: "Other than the Kassel water screw test where rpm dropped from 26 to 20 others recorded that the rpm did not change under other load testing."
I think those other load tests were mostly just braking tests where a mass of stones was lifted vertically to a certain height as a wheel, due to its high inertia, only slowly reduced its speed until it eventually came to a stop. This, during the early part of a lift, could give the illusion that the wheel's speed was not changing. Ken B made a interesting youtube video years ago showing how the Kassal wheel could lift a 200 lb load of stones up the side of Weissenstein Castle. The lift appears to be steady, but it actually gradually slows until the load stops right outside an upper story window of the castle. You can view that video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiJtnJ6kh88
Ken claims that once the load reached the top floor and the wheel came to a stop, the load could then be sent back down to the ground again by releasing the wheel and then just letting its axle turn in the opposite direction. The descent acceleration would then slowly increase until the wheel reached its maximum of 26 rpm's when the load finally reached the ground.
Once the load of stones was on the ground again and its rope was then completely unwound from the wheel's axle, the wheel would then be turning in the opposite direction at full speed and would again wind the rope around the axle in the opposite direction to raise the load back up to the top story window again. At that time the wheel would stop and then immediately reverse direction and lower the load of stones back down to the ground again. This process would automatically repeat over and over again if not interrupted. Ken calls this weird effect the "yo yo effect" and I could only find one vague reference to it in the eyewitness accounts of the testing of Bessler's wheels. The stones could only be safely removed from the box at the end of the rope when it was at the top story and the wheel's drum was then stopped and somehow prevented from turning in the opposite direction.
To lift up another load of stones, the wheel would have to be allowed to only slowly turn to return the empty stone box back to the ground again at which point the wheel would be stopped and the rope, which was attached to a projection on its axle by a small loop, would be detached. The wheel would then be released, given a push, and allowed to accelerate up to is maximum speed of 26 rpm's again. Ken thinks that acceleration could, because of the wheel's high inertia, take several minutes. During this time, the box on the ground would be refilled with another 200 lbs of stones. Once the wheel was at full speed again, the loop at the end of the rope would be quickly reattached to the projection on the wheel's turning axle and a new load of stones would again be lifted up to the top story window of the castle.
The delay in filling the box with stones again and then seeing the box immediately thereafter being hoisted up to the window would give observers the illusion that the wheel was constantly outputting a lot of energy. This was not the case, however. When you study Bessler's wheel power demonstrations closely, you realize that a lot of them were carefully staged to make a wheel look a lot more powerful than it actually was. The potential buyers of Bessler's invention were not fooled by all of this. Their own testing showed that his wheels were not really that powerful and that is the real reason, aside from the high price, that he could never find a buyer for his invention.
an unfortunate KB fantasy! the Merseburg 2-way wheel turned at 42 rpm & was the wheel recounted as lifting a 70 pound box of bricks up to a second level. there are various accounts of the wheel doing work which was recorded by witnesses, including Wolff saying it was geared down by a factor of four. the witnesses said it did not alter speed in these tests. this also applies to the lifting a set of stamper tests where the wheel constantly lifted heavy wooden stampers over & over.
Delete"...including Wolff saying it was geared down by a factor of four. the witnesses said it did not alter speed in these tests."
DeleteThose tests using a pulley system's mechanical advantage to slowly lift a weight off the floor of a room containing a wheel would have produced a constant and steady lift speed because they weren't really braking tests using the a wheel's full accumulated rotational energy. They only used what little power the wheel could continuously output. For the more rapid lifting of a box full of bricks outside of a window to a top floor, which was a braking test, the full accumulated rotational energy of a wheel would have to be used. In such a test a wheel could only raise a given mass to a certain height before the wheel came to a stop. I think I like the Ken B interpretation better because it fits better the few details we know about those tests that were done with Bessler's wheels.
KB is not a "source" !
DeleteI would highly recommend to anyone here who has not yet done so to obtain and read the Ken B book on Bessler and his wheels. It will give you an entirely new view of the subject that you won't get from just reading the various translations of the Bessler literature that JC obtained for us. Bessler's writing are often vague and ambiguous at best and translating them from 18th century German to modern English can only make them for difficult to correctly interpret.
DeleteI got the Ken B book a few months ago and it is without a doubt the most in depth treatment of Bessler's wheels that I've ever read. But, it is a HUGE volume (about 800 pages) so be prepared for a LOT of reading if you get it. But, when you are finished, I think you will agree that he's either found the exact design Bessler used or is very close to it.
DeleteGB & AP were written in German - DT was written in both the German & Latin languages side by side in the same book , Latin hasn't changed . this allows translating comparisons for nuance & accuracy - the witness letters & reports were written in French , German , & Latin etc depending on who the correspondence was between - there is nothing particularly vague or ambiguous about the witness translations & DT unless you want them to be .
Deletewhat anon 19:30 conveniently forgot to mention is that, over the years since those translations first appeared, there have been several corrections of the most important translated quotes. they weren't originally perfect and they still are not perfect, imo. iirc one translation, in particular which still has not been corrected, where Bessler says his wheels can be repaired while they are running! physically impossible of course and an obvious mistranslation.
Deleteomg >> Stewart corrected that in 2008 >> run the quote through Ai translators . anyone can do it . apply some nuance of context .
DeleteHoary old quote >> " Bessler also said that his wheels did not have to be stopped in order to be repaired or serviced."
Stewart said >> " No, that's not what he said.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... =8652#8652
In response to the following question that he said he gets asked:
"In the event that the machine needs to be repaired, would it need lots of time, loss, effort, money and expensive things?"
he says:
"If the machine were made well, the main parts will remain all right for many years. However, if indeed something needs altering, it will cost little money, time, effort, risk, and one can easily make most parts in an hour. But if the part is already in stock, I have designed the machine beautifully, so it can always operate if one were to repair the same part. Indeed all machines actually require a mechanic."
So what he means is having stopped the wheel and quickly swapped the faulty part with one in stock, the machine can be restarted and can continue to operate while you are repairing the faulty part, which you would then put back into stock.
Stewart "
That link you gave to BW no longer works. Maybe a better translation would have been that Bessler's wheels would not have to be stopped for too long a time while a repair was made...assuming that one has the necessary replacement part in stock. But, that's not how it was originally translated.
DeleteIt was not as originally translated by Mike Senior for JC, because MS and JC were faced with a choice (it has been well aired). A literal word for word translation which would have been hard to understand even though German Grammar and English Grammar are similar (Latin is not, with the verb at the end of the sentence). Or a more free-range translation which is easier to understand in common English parlance. But can miss the nuance and accuracy. They chose a mid ground where possible (that's what translators do for readabilty and first-pass comprehension). It is up to you to re-translate them and understand them if you prefer one extreme over the other, however translations always need the context to be considered for accuracy which ever end of the spectrum is your particular fancy.
DeleteThe great genius Einstein speaks out about pm:
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Einstein was the smartest human ever born with an IQ of 200! If he said that Bessler's wheels were hoaxed, that should settle the matter for all time. If anyone thinks otherwise, then he is saying that he is smarter than Einstein was! Amazing how many on this blog think they were smarter than Einstein.
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