I only got into my workshop a few days ago after being away over Christmas with my family, visiting my granddaughter, Amy. She is a disabled TikTok influencer with over 4 million followers. She has always supported me, in my efforts to solve Bessler’s wheel and in fact she only recently lost her beloved Hungarian Vizsla whom she named Bessler! He was ten years old but had health problems.
So, I’ve got a bit longer before I have to share what I’ve got, (yes I know - whether it’s finished or not and whether it works or not). I will share my solution, as promised and include several photos of the wheel.
Anyway back to the task in hand. I’m adding some short pieces of aluminium screwed into the backplate but bent over to catch and guide any weighted levers which are still subject to lateral sway - and occasionally miss the stop, ending locked up and immovable. Same problem at the other end of some of the levers, which sometimes lock up in their contracted position, in their case a suitably placed bolt stops their over contracting.
I mention these minor but annoying matters because these additional features will probably be visible in the photos and add confusion to what might appear to be an already complex mechanism. It’s not that complex and the once you see it in action, you will understand how it works.
So I’m confident about the design but not so much with the build, but I’ll do my best to finish it so you can all get to understand it, and make simulation or actual models. Imagine being the first since Bessler to make a successful gravity-enabled continuously rotating wheel, capable of doing work.
Thanks,
JC
A very happy 2026, John. This time we're there. Thank you for sharing.
ReplyDelete"I will share my solution, as promised and include several photos of the wheel."
ReplyDeleteFINALLY!!!
>>>"I’ve finished writing the text of the full explanation of how I believe Johann Bessler’s gravity-enabled wheel worked."
ReplyDeleteIIRC, years ago you said your design was so simple that no explanation was needed...someone could just look at it and immediately see how it was supposed to work. Why the need for some long winded explanation now?
>>>"Same problem at the other end of some of the levers, which sometimes lock up in their contracted position..."
"Contracted position"?! This is starting to sound like that weird, gravity activated scissor type mech you revealed years ago. IIRC, someone made a sim of it, but it had some problem with it that I don't recall now. If this is correct, then your design is not just using single straight levers. Imo, that type of design starts to depart from what can be called "simple". Otoh, however, it would be unique which means no one else has tried it yet which increases the possibility of it being a runner.
>>>"...these additional features will probably be visible in...what might appear to be an already complex mechanism. It’s not that complex...you will understand how it works."
Sounds like you are having trouble deciding whether it's complex or not!
Well, like everyone else here, I'm looking forward to seeing your complex / simple Bessler wheel design with five levers that can "contract" (I assume on the wheel's ascending side). Hopefully, it will not be too complex to sim so you can finally know if it's just another decaying dead duck or a giant eagle that can majestically soar among the mountain tops! Hoping it's the latter for you.
I have two options; my preferred one is to show the actual wheel I’m building - or I can just explain the work-around which solves the problem of lifting the fallen weight using less energy than was generated by the fall of weights.
DeleteObviously there are scissor mechanisms in play as Bessler suggested, but also as he suggested, the mechanism is simple but has an unusual design feature.
The design has to accommodate the work-around.
JC
If I was you, I would show both options. Like they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words." The problem with a lot of written "explanations" is that they can turn into a babbling "word salad" and, after a paragraph or two of that, people don't bother reading them any further. Your approach causes descending side weights to release more energy than is needed to lift the ascending side weights?! That's basically the same process that Ken B claims works in his wheel even though your two mechanisms must be radically different from each other. The use of "scissor mechanisms" sounds interesting. Yes, Bessler does occasionally mention them. Hopefully, that meant that they were used in his wheels. If not, then you're on the wrong trail. Well, time will tell. Good luck and I'll be looking forward to the big reveal.
DeleteThank you for your positive comments anon :16:20
DeleteJC
As usual, best wishes to you John. Please answer this question : do you believe, firmly, that upon seeing your design, Karl would have said "it's so simple. I am surprised that no one has thought of it before".
DeleteMaybe the day Karl said that, he forgot to bring and wear his eyeglasses?
DeleteSoS's amazing "Futurocam" has scanned ahead to the year 2035 and it shows that John's solution to the mystery of Bessler's wheels is being used to power our entire planet with free energy!
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I was able to contact an Indian guru who can use his psychic powers to give accurate versions of actual conversations that took place hundreds of years ago. Here's what he came up with for a conversation between Bessler and Count Karl:
ReplyDeleteBessler (as he pulls away the cloth on the side of the Merseburg wheel's 12 foot diameter drum to show Karl its inner mechanics): "Here, your highness, is the simple secret of my perpetual motion wheels. Now please don't forget your sacred vow to never reveal what you are now seeing."
Karl (as his eyes bulge out): "What the hell is that crazy tangle of levers, ropes, and springs?! It looks like it was constructed by a drunken lunatic! If I ever told anybody this is the secret of your wheels, they'd think I was as crazy as you are. I'd be the laughing stock of all Europe!"
Bessler: "No, no, your highest, it's actually very simple and it took me many weeks of mathematical calculations to work out all of the details of its connectedness principle to assure the center of gravity of the weights would stay on the drum's descending side during its rotation."
Karl: "You want me to fund the building of a bigger version of this mess? How much will it cost me?"
Bessler: "I figure it shouldn't be more than maybe 10,000 thalers give or take a few thousand thalers."
Karl: "Holy sh*t! For that kind of money I could build four brand new windmills! Are you sure the larger version will work perpetually?"
Bessler: "Of course, your highness, I'll bet my head that it will work and will amaze the world. People will flock here from all over to view the masterpiece you've funded."
Karl: "Just what I need...more "guests" looking for free food and booze! Okay, Johann, if I fund your giant wheel for you and it does not work, I'm going to make an example out of you to all those in the future that have any ideas of scamming a monarch. I'm going to have you chopped into little pieces and then have them fed to my kennel of hunting dogs. After they sh*t out the waste, I'm going to have it collected into a pile and set fire to it. Then I'm going to collect the ashes and dump them into my castle's nearest cesspool!"
Bessler (sweating profusely): "Er...hmm...well, I'm sure it will work...if it doesn't, then you can just turn the drum sideways, put legs on it, and use it like King Arthur did as large round table for his knights."
Karl: "Hmm...yes, I like the idea of that backup plan. I've always thought of myself as a direct descendant of King Arthur. Okay, let's build your crazy wheel, Johann!"
LOL! That psychic guru of yours must be genuine because that could be very close to a real conversation that took place between Bessler and Karl!
DeleteIf that is how Karl would punish someone he liked, then what would he do to someone he did not like?!
DeleteSomeone a few blogs ago was asking about a weird tripod hosted website that featured another psychic guru's who claimed he could tune in on conversations involving Bessler that supposedly took place at Weissenstein Castle centuries ago. That tripod website has been offline for a while now, but I recently found out it's up and running again. If anybody wants to see a really bizarre Bessler website, you can find it here:
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That is a REALLY one bizarre website! But, I kind of admire the owner's enthusiasm for the subject. The best works in any field are always the ones that are "labors of love" and his website certainly looks like one of them to me. I'll check it out more thoroughly when I have the time.
DeleteLet all of us priests of our new Orffyrean Church kneel and worship before the giant statue of our new messiah Lord Bessler:
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Hail Bessler...Hail the Wheel...Hail Bessler...Hail the Wheel...
Let us all also immediately apply for 100% religious tax exemptions in our respective countries. We must use that money we will save to further the promotion of our new religion in whatever way he inspires us to do. Our new messiah Lord Bessler DEMANDS that we do this. Let us obey his earthly wish as soon as we can.
Hail Bessler...Hail the Wheel...Hail Bessler...Hail the Wheel...
Whoa! A new religion with no taxes for its followers?! Sign me up!
DeleteI just noticed that on the right side of the base of the statue there is a wheel with EIGHT spokes on it and Bessler's statue shows him wearing a giant medallion that is EIGHT sided! That means, after JC's big reveal here, we are going to have to carve a new wheel with only FIVE spokes in it and a new giant medallion that is FIVE sided! Come to think of it, with all of the money we will all soon be saving because of our new tax free religion, we can afford to make a new statue of our "Lord Bessler". I'm thinking of something that is 555 feet high like the Washington Monument and clad in sheets of pure gold.
Hail to Bessler and his wheel...I'm ready to join!
I visited that tripod website and it IS weird. It was made by an Indian professor named Dr. Ramesh Menaria who is some sort of chemistry lecturer. His site promotes the teachings of a Deva Ramananda who wrote several religious books, has lots of philosophy about perpetual motion, and even reveals the secret design that Bessler supposedly used in his pm wheels. It sounds like one of the early rolling sphere weight wheels in MT that we all know are dead ducks otherwise Bessler would have removed and destroyed it.
DeleteMenaria's website is loaded with a lot of his own artwork. My favorite is his version of what Bessler saw in the "invigorating" dream that God supposedly sent him that spurred him on to finally find his runner. Here's that dream which is loaded with wheels, of course:
https://orffyre.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/hisdream.jpg.w560h372.jpg
Based on sacred writings in their ancient Vedic texts, the Hindu's of India today believe their ancestors are the ones who first built working pm wheels! Here's an odd square shaped, ancient Greek silver coin that was minted around 180 BC and which shows the Hindu god Shiva with a perpetual motion wheel in the background! Shiva, particularly in his form as "Nataraja", symbolizes the eternal cycle of creation, preservation, and destruction which can be seen as a representation of perpetual motion in the cosmos. I did not know the ancient Greeks recognized any gods other than their own. Guess there's an exception to every rule or maybe to do trade with India back then, the Greeks had to put that major Hindu god on the silver coins they paid to the Hindu's?
DeleteSorry, John, but it looks like Shiva's pm wheel had eight spokes and weights in it and not five and five like what you are promoting. On the coin, Shiva appears to be holding a vase which could have contained liquid mercury that had to be put into the containers on the rim of the wheel to make it work. Such designs are supposed to be impossible to use for pm, but maybe there is a way to make one work? I wouldn't try it because working with liquid mercury can be dangerous due to its toxicity.
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You are right ! The design has been hiding in plain sight !
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@anon 15:28
DeleteChatGPT has a different interpretation of that circle on the India flag:
"The circle in the middle of India’s flag is called the Ashoka Chakra.
It represents:
Law and justice (Dharma) – the moral law that should guide the nation
Movement and progress – it reminds the country not to remain stagnant
Righteousness and truth in public life
The Ashoka Chakra is a navy-blue wheel with 24 spokes, taken from the Lion Capital of Emperor Ashoka (3rd century BCE) at Sarnath. Each spoke is often interpreted as representing virtues such as courage, patience, self-control, and compassion.
In essence, it symbolizes that life should move forward in righteousness, and stagnation leads to decay."
That's the "official" explanation. BUT, where did that Emperor Ashoka get that symbol from? He probably had his own 24 weight pm wheel running away inside a locked room in his palace so he knew that pm was possible. Too bad we don't have the details of his machine.
IIRC there was a guy who showed up here years ago and claimed to have a very rare sketch book that actually belonged to BESSLER! He claimed that he had located a family that owned the book and paid them a LOT of money for it. They originally demanded even more for it, but eventually cut the price because they were desperate for money. The new owner of the book posted links here to several of the pencil drawing in that book, but something happened here, I'm not exactly sure but I think the new owner got insulted by someone here and left because he felt unwelcome. He hasn't been back since. But, one of the drawing he revealed to us from that very rare book was for a wheel design by Bessler that could be powered by liquid mercury! It was not one of the designs shown in MT. I have a lot of images I saved from back then. If I can find that mercury powered pm wheel, I'll give a link to it here.
DeleteYou have a drawing of a mercury powered pm wheel by BY Bessler that is NOT in GB, DT, or MT??? Yes, PLEASE do look for it!
DeleteI remember the story, but it was all a fake, the book never existed.
DeleteJC
What evidence do YOU have that "it was all fake" or is that just YOUR opinion WITHOUT any facts to back it up?
Delete"I'm not exactly sure but I think the new owner got insulted by someone here and left because he felt unwelcome. He hasn't been back since."
DeleteI also remember that guy but can't recall his name. He didn't speak English and all of his posts were in German and were a pain to keep translating into English back then. IIRC, it was JC who started insulting him then and calling him a hoaxer without any proof! He left, never came back, and then I noticed that he also deleted all of the image files for the few drawings from that rare Bessler book that he provided us links to. I wish I'd downloaded them while I had a chance. Apparently, JC did not like the idea of anyone else providing us with Bessler material other than him! So, it could have been JC's envy that kept us from getting what might have been very important new information about Bessler's early ideas for pm. Thanks a bunch, JC!
The truth to JC is whatever he believes the truth to be at that particular time. He's really only concerned about HIS truths and not about anyone else's truths since he does not trust anything anyone else has to say about Bessler or his wheels or the clues that they have found. He will just dismiss them as being "clues" from someone on a "false trail" or who is actually hoaxing.
DeleteSoon (maybe) JC will be showing us the design that HIS clues have led him to for Bessler's wheels. I wonder how he will react if most here just dismiss his clues as being "clues" and he as being on a "false trail" of his own. I suspect that rejection, if it happens, will actually have little effect on him. He will just keep right on whatever trail he's on confident that only he knows the absolute truth about Bessler and his wheels. The next month or so on this blog should be a really interesting one indeed.
LOL so it's JC's fault anon 21:54 didn't make a copy of the pictures lol
DeleteI think when it comes to "mysterious" subjects like religion, UFOs, and Bessler's wheels everyone has his own "truth". But, it is only a subjective truth and not an objective truth which will only exist for Bessler's wheels if we ever successfully duplicate one of them. For most people a subjective truth is sufficient. They will keep it, believe in it, follow it, and defend it against any incoming new information that challenges its validity. I think much of that is because people hate to admit they were ever wrong about anything. You even see this same behavior in science which most mistakenly believe is completely objective. Actually it can never be as long as human beings are involved in it. Maybe with robots doing research, but not with humans. The famous physicist Max Planck once said "Science advances one funeral at a time" meaning that the subjective biases in science only get replaced when those reinforcing them drop dead and new people with new biases take their places! But those new biases are still subjective.
Delete"...so it's JC's fault anon 21:54 didn't make a copy of the pictures...
DeleteNo, it would have been JC's fault for insulting and making feel uncomfortable and unwelcome here someone who was sincerely trying to share new Bessler info with us that JC did not approve of because he was not the one providing it. The message everyone got from that episode was that if JC does not approve of any new Bessler information that comes to light, then it must be hoaxed and it and its provider are not welcome here. Whoever appointed JC to be the "Minister of Truth" when it comes to Bessler's wheels? Oh...HE appointed himself, that's who!
Perfect.
ReplyDeleteShould I continue to support documented evidence or just follow the modern trend of faked evidence? The answer is obvious to me, you can’t just make a claim that you know of a book supposedly containing a number of drawings purportedly drawn by Bessler, if you don’t produce real evidence of the book’s existence. Copy and publish it or seek the owner’s permission to see it and review it. Without genuine evidence it might as well not exist.
DeleteA popular phrase currently being used, is “my truth”, which just means you believe it without providing factual evidence that anyone else can verify. I have published information about Bessler’s codes, in particular, his numerous coded messages that he informed us of the necessity of having five mechanism in a successful wheel for at least fifteen years. This is not just “my truth”, because it’s verifiable. I have published the evidence which anyone can see and understand.
But people still produce fake news or dismiss my arguments, for reasons which seem trivial at best or deliberately misleading. It is for this reason that I intend to share what I know. I always intended to build a working model of Bessler’s wheel, and give it away free to the world at large, but old age crept up on me and at 81 years of age I need to put out as much information as I can, but my options are not as great as I would like. My computer skills have atrophied somewhat over the last few years, but, I didn’t know then what I know now. But I’ll do my best.
JC
Unusually articulate comment...are you now using AI to edit your comments for you?
DeleteYou talk of "documented evidence" but it only consists of Bessler's own deceptive writings and the few translated statements we have of those who never actually saw the inside of one of Bessler's wheels to fully verify they were not hoaxed. Oh, but what about Count Karl? He supposedly saw the inside mechanisms, but was sworn to secrecy so he never described anything there and we still do no know if he was not hoaxed himself. Right now there is no real evidence that Bessler did not hoax his wheels and that is why the scientists out there still, after centuries, claim he was a hoaxer. Those who claim his wheels had to be genuine are only giving their subjective opinion of that...not any documented facts.
As for that previously unknown Bessler sketch book that you claim does not exist. Actually, the "documented" evidence for its existence is about as good as that for Bessler's wheels not being hoaxed. IIRC the owner said he paid a huge amount for it, had its authenticity verified at his own additional expense, and said he did not want to show any photos of the original volume or its pages because he feared that would allow scammers to make fake copies and try to sell them to unsuspecting victims. I can understand his concerns. Imo, he should have been given the benefit of the doubt, as everyone visiting this blog is encouraged to do when it comes to the authenticity of Bessler's wheels, and allowed to present whatever he felt comfortable revealing without being made to feel like a unwelcome hoaxer in the process. You, as someone who has kept secrets now for years and was offended whenever what very little you actually shared was not given the same benefit of the doubt, should have appreciated that, but you did not. Shame on you!
If you decide to believe something I know to be untrue, that’s your decision, but I’d prefer it if didn’t publicly doubt my own efforts to establish the true documented evidence. If you study all the facts you must come to a consideration that Bessler’s wheel was genuine.
DeletePS I don’t need AI to edit my comments or my posts.
JC
Hi John, I have always been a true supporter of your work. My question posted earlier was sincere. DO you believe your current design would be considered "simple"? (By Karl who was surprised that no one had thought of it before, and be Bessler who thought a buyer would think there is not much to it)
DeleteJC wrote "If you study all the facts you must come to a consideration that Bessler’s wheel was genuine."
DeleteSo, that means anybody who thinks Bessler was hoaxing just didn't study all of the facts? Seems a rather sweeping statement to make. What about those who have studied all of the facts and still think he hoaxed it? I think a lot of scientists have studied all of the facts and reached the conclusion that he hoaxed it all. I personally think it was genuine because what hoaxer would go to the trouble of putting all of those cleverly hidden clues into his drawings to back up a hoax? It just seems like way too much trouble to do something like that unless his invention was genuine and he wanted to protect his priority to it.
Hi anon. 20:20. You asked, “ DO you believe your current design would be considered "simple". Yes it works as a simple concept and understanding the concept is easy and it does seem remarkable that no one else seems to have discovered it, apart from Bessler.
DeleteHaving said that, for me, building it wasn’t so simple, and you will see what I mean when I post the details.
JC
You're all in luck. I managed to find a copy of the image of that mercury powered pm wheel that the new owner of that rare Bessler sketch book provided to us. However, we never actually saw Bessler's original sketches from that long lost book of his because the new owner said they were made in pencil and very smudgy after three centuries and difficult to see. So he had a friend of his redraw the images for us and that guy had to do a bit of editing on the final images because much of the pm machines in Bessler's sketch book were only portions of complete machines.
ReplyDeleteHere is the single drawing I found in one of my oldest folders. It is most likely based on a smaller portion of a complete wheel that Bessler drew. I've added some color and descriptions to make it more understandable. How it is supposed to work is that the spirals contain small pools of liquid mercury. The spirals, as they constantly rotate around their centers due to the rotation of their larger carrier wheel, allow the mercury to descend and while also moving horizontally away from the center of each spiral. That keeps the cog of all of the mercury pools on the descending side of the larger wheel's axle so that the wheel feels a constant torque and must keep turning. Notice that as each spiral approaches 12 o'clock, its lowest descending mercury pool drains into a long pipe that carries it down and drains it into the center of the next following spiral.
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This design might also work with metal balls rolling around inside of the spirals, but I think liquid mercury would be better to use and virtually silent as the wheel rotated. But if the plumbing in this thing sprang a leak, it could make a real toxic mess in one's workshop! I guess you could also use water instead of mercury, but to get the same torque as with mercury, you would have to use a much greater volume of water in a much larger machine (the density of mercury is about 13.6 times that of water so mercury would produce 13.6 times as much torque than if the same volume of water was used in a particular size wheel).
Interesting...it certainly looks like something B would have come up with...even something that could have been in MT. I can't see any obvious reason why it would not work. I agree using a large volume of mercury could be dangerous...if I built it I'd use lead balls in place of the mercury despite making a lot more noise. The biggest source of noise by using metal balls would be when they rolled down that long pipe and had to suddenly make a right angle turn to enter the center of the next spiral that was rising toward 12:00. Some padding there would help with noise reduction though.
DeleteTreating it as marbles or ball bearings. You realize that the blue dot representing the CoG is way off? It is actually very near the vertical centre line. And that when a marble is released near 12 o'clock to roll down hill through the tube back to 9 o'clock it will create a back-torque against the tube walls as it loses height. Then when it is physically redirected at the right angle at bottom of the fall it introduces more back-torque to the wheel. When it enters the 9 o'clock spiral tube the CoG is well to the left of the vertical center line creating a large CCW torque. Just add up the turning moments accurately !
Deletewhat if the marbels , bb's , mercury pools were "sticky" (high rolling friction)? . the spiraling rolling marbles might hang out to the right for longer with more cw torque? & the 12 o'cl marble could stay closer to its position before entering the tube i.e. not lose much height & the 9 o'cl spiral come up to meet it & lift it a short distance. there might be less ccw torque , it prolly needs the tube rolling ball to stay up high to give it an even chance of working.
DeleteI'm just getting started with wm2d and there's no way I can write the code needed to make a spiral for a sim. I was however able to make this very crude spiral from small rectangles to show how a metal ball when released at the center of a spiral can make the wheel that the spiral is attached to spin as the ball drops inside of the spiral. In that Bessler mercury wheel the dropping pools of mercury or metal balls if one used them would not make the individual spirals spin around their centers because they are fixed to the bigger wheel. But, the lowering mercury pools would make the entire bigger wheel start to turn and accelerate (I think). Here's a gif made from my crude spiral wheel showing what happens as the ball keeps rolling "downhill" inside of a spiral:
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If I knew how to make spirals I would try a sim of the complete wheel to see what happens. I'm not to that level yet.
Making a circle or spiral. Join spirals together .
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It definitely like it could work. But I see one potential problem with it. If you just consider the 12 pools of mercury or metal balls in the four spirals then their cog is going to be on the right side of the larger wheel and it should keep turning clockwise. BUT there is an extra 13th mass involved in this that is easy to overlook. It's that flow of mercury or metal ball going through the long pipe from the 12 o'clock to 9 o'clock spirals.
DeleteWhen it arrives at the 9 o'clock spiral you will then have four masses in it instead of three like the other three spirals have. I suspect that extra mass could create enough counterclockwise torque to fully cancel out the clockwise torques produced by the other masses in the four spirals. I could be wrong about that of course which is why a more detailed sim of this needs to be made. I don't sim but good luck to anyone taking on the challenge.
@anon03;55
DeleteI think your suspicion is almost correct. As soon as this wheel was released, the spiral at 9:00 containing four masses of mercury instead of three like the other three spirals would make the entire wheel rotate CCW. The 9:00 spiral with the four masses would then drop and just oscillate for a while around the 6:00 position until it stopped and that would be end of any hope of pm. The design would become "bottom heavy" with the COG of all of the mercury located right under the axle. This unfortunately is just another dead duck design which is probably why we don't see anything like it in MT. Yet another one to throw on top of our growing pile of dead ducks. But much thanks to anon 19:45 for taking the time to find the image file of it for us and provide a link. I've added it to my own file of pm wheel designs from this blog. I call it the "Dead Duck File"!
I think maybe 90% of all new pm wheel designs can be rejected just by doing a careful visual inspection of them and that was the case for this "mercury powered pm wheel". There is nothing magical about using mercury. Its advantage is its high density and being a liquid at room temperature allowing it to easily move around (maybe that's where its other name "quick silver" came from?). Of the remaining 10% of the pm designs most can be dismissed with just a partial sim. But, there will always be a small percentage that will require a build to determine if they can run.
DeleteWhat I find interesting is that the vast majority of designs I see on the web are wheels. Only rarely do I see a pendulum or rocking beam type machine even though they would be easier to construct than carefully balanced wheels containing up to twelve shifting mechanisms.
I'm now trying to find any ancient depictions of pm wheels with the hope that maybe one of them worked and, like Bessler's wheel, got lost to history. If I can find something like that, it might give us a good clue as to how to actually make a working pm wheel and not another dead duck for anon 04:55's file!
UH OH! Proof that the ancients were making pm wheels with FIVE mechs!!! This is actually a five mech version of the AP wheel!
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John will undoubtedly do a happy dance when he sees this!
Nice image but it lacks anything persuasive of any kind of machine. Thanks for posting it, it’s nice to get some kind of corroborative image however vague it may be.
DeleteJC
Dear Mr. John,
ReplyDeleteJohn Collins, October 21, 2021, 1:30 PM
"Uncovering this mystery would probably take many years, and that implies determination to solve it, so they must have had some goal or plan for when it would happen."
Gravity or tension?
What?
I still don't know what gravity is, do you?
It seems to me to be something primal, coming from outside, like a powerful geometric pressure with extreme elasticity.
P.S.
I am 64 years old. I will not let you fall, because they are waiting for you like roaring lions, even those who sit quietly.
Thanks to your COMPLETE contribution to spreading the truth, I think you are safe, because the truth defends itself perfectly.
Best regards.
You can do nothing to keep him from "falling". His destiny is now in his own hands. If his B workaround looks good he will be a hero and deservedly praised. If it is just a lot of nonsensical babbling, then he will be eaten alive by those "roaring lions" you mention who, I believe, really do want to see him fail and be utterly humiliated. Maybe they are envious of him or they think his contributions to the subject do not justify his status? That is a matter of opinion. All will be determined shortly after his B workaround is evaluated.
DeleteYou don't know what gravity is? Welcome to the club. It's true nature may never be known. But what it is is not that important for building a working pm wheel. You don't have to know what wind is to build a working windmill.
What are you writing? Are you reading your own words?
DeleteRest and start thinking, because hatred first blinds and then destroys.
I will defend John's work with all my strength, my Great Friend.