My recent post suggesting that Bessler might have found two different solutions was, at the time, an almost random thought that was generated by a discussion about the Gera wheel and the subsequent iterations which he presented to the public.
Comments about the proportions of the first wheel, galvanised my brain cells into considering how my suggested mechanisms would have fitted inside a wheel’s interior of potentially less than two inches. I concluded that they wouldn’t have fitted.
Some of the comments by spectators of the Gera wheel suggested that the wheel contained a dog or a cat, because of the scratching noise which came from within. This suggests that the mechanisms were rubbing against some part of the wheel, probably the casing protecting the interior from the public seeing inside.
Once the idea had settled in my mind that the Gera wheel was, at the very least, a simpler configuration compared with my later attempts to find a work-around for the later larger wheels, I began to reconsider what we know about the Gera wheel and Karl’s comments about it; simple to understand its principle, easy to build; couldn’t believe no one had discovered it before. My concept might still have value but it wasn’t the design Karl had seen and I’m sure it wouldn’t have fit inside the Gera wheel.
So I have returned to my various designs over the years but this time with the knowledge that it needed to be simple, able in its most basic form to fit within the Gera wheel. So I have some ideas but I’m not sharing anything yet, but it feels good to be building from scratch again.
I’m using the previously discarded 18 inch diameter disc to test my latest theories on, but if it looks like it will work, I’ll repeat the build on a new disc. I’m using parts from many discarded attempts, so it won’t be the most attractive model, but I’m past caring about its looks - other than to say the 18 inch disc has so many holes it sometimes difficult to find an empty space!
Whether I succeed or not, I’m not going to waste much time in reconsidering past failures, but I do have a couple of ideas I never considered before. Being of a vastly simpler design I don’t expect it to take long to test, and as soon as I know, one way of the other, I’ll post about it in case it stimulates someone else to success.
JC
Oh boy...here we go again with "Bessler Workaround 2.0"...the smaller, thinner, and simpler pm wheel design that wowed Count Karl and helped loosen his grip on his thaler supply so he would fund the mighty Weissenstein Castle wheel. Good luck with it. Also, don't forget about all those new rope clues that you claimed to have found and promised to reveal to us weeks ago. Right now your previous "Bessler Workaround 1.0" design is still on top of our pile of decaying water fowl and slowly putrefying in the Sun. It would be great if your new clues could get it down off of there and pump some life back into it. However, from your tone in this blog and mention of "building from scratch again", it almost sounds like you've given up on Bessler Workaround 1.0! I guess no one would blame you if you did. Anyway, the more and quicker you reveal any new clues to us, the happier everyone here will be! New clues are to us like water is to a cactus out in the middle of a Sun baked desert! ☀️🌵💦😊
ReplyDeleteIf I was JC I would definitely give up on that previously over hyped design of his with all of the scissor mechanisms inside of it. Simple? Heck no. It's a mess if one is honest about it and imo there is no way Karl would say it was "so simple that a carpenter's boy could build it". It's time for JC to start anew with fresh ideas for a design. Better now than wasting more years of his life trying to get a past dead duck to take off an soar like an eagle. He needs a new bird now!
DeleteSomething tells me we won't see John returning to his Bessler work around 1.0 any time soon or even ever. He must have finally realized, especially after seeing TSM's sims a few blogs ago, that it's a dead end. But, now he has to face the unpleasant fact that all of the clues that convinced him BWA 0.1 was "it" were misinterpreted by him. That's no an easy pill to swallow. He needs to reinterpret those clues and, better yet, find some new ones. Bessler was an expert at misleading anyone trying to learn his secret pm design without paying for it and his technique has worked well for centuries. Learning his secrets based on the clues he placed in his drawings is a matter of skill and MUCH luck. Skill comes with practice, but luck is something else and you cannot rely on it when you need it the most. Just ask any poker player about that.
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DeleteAgreed. Those sims TSM did were the death knell for that Bessler Workaround 1.0. But, at least they put a end to it even though they did show how delusional JC had become over it. If he had revealed years earlier he could have saved himself a lot of wasted time and effort chasing another no hope design. Hopefully, he learned his lesson and will be revealing a lot sooner in the future.
Learn his lesson? Lol! No that won't be happening. He will find some new clues alright but watch as he slips right back to playing his old hide and seek game with them and anything he's working on with his riddled up 18 inch wheel. Next, he start hinting how he's finally found it and will reveal all "soon" whether it works or not only that won't be happening no matter how many Christmases or his birth days come and go. The reason is as someone said that a leopard doesn't change its spots. His spots are like tattooed in place by now. His smaller simpler wheel might be Bessler workaround 2.0 but he's still JC 1.0. Now watch and see how right I will be!
DeleteThe concept of JC was interesting despite the slackers!
DeleteTSM simulations only addressed the problem superficially.
The lifting solution remains to be found.
Maybe the restart at Zero will give the conceptual trigger that was missing in the clues.
Good luck John for this new start!
Thank you anon 07:18.
DeleteAll the critics are unable to offer anything other than negative reactions, but even if my configuration was inaccurate nobody examined the basic concept whicj I still believe has merit.
JC
On Wednesday 11th Feb post
DeleteI described a concept which had a method of sending the cog back towards the following mechanism. This would cause the wheel to rotate considerably further forward than current methods.
This will result in the previous mechanism having now rolled back towards its falling point and therefore requiring a smaller lift.
This may point to another mechanism needing to be be pulled inwards and I suggested a small lift at about 2 or3 o’clock using the. Lock face to identify which one.
Contrary to public opinion, I haven’t abandoned this configuration, but I am in the process of simplifying the scissor mechanisms and/or replacing them.
JC
@JC
DeleteOn February 14th in the comments to the previous blog of February 11th, anon 07:33 came up with this fix for your "BWA 1.0" which no one commented on then for some reason. I found it interesting because it could at least partially lift the weight of the lever lagging a weight falling (while also extending due to scissor action) at the bottom of your pentagon wheel without needing to use an additional rope and pulley. It only required the use of a single "push rod" (colored orange by that anon) which was a hollow metal tube with a lubricated sliding solid metal rod in it that acted as a separator of two of the green guide levers but would not come apart when their attachment points to the green guide levers exceeded their minimum allowed separation distance. Here is his fix which I call the "Valentine's Day Fix" because of the date that anon revealed it to us:
https://postimg.cc/jLQJkxvm
You also mentioned "...using the Lock face..." in your comment and I assume that you are referring to that conspicuous little three sided lock in the left side DT drawing of the Kassal wheel where it is shown preventing the huge wheel from turning. Yes, I do agree that it is a VERY important clue. Three sided locks were not that unusual back in Bessler's day, but its presence in the drawing is too obvious to ignore. I'm continuing to try to analyze it. I'm convinced that there are actually an enormous number of very exact clues in that double drawing of the Kassal wheel. It's three centuries later and we're still only scratching the surface of the many clues that Bessler left us in his drawings!
Brad
Hey, Brad...I'm betting JC will use those push rods and then announce that he actually had the same idea years before anon 07:33 showed it to us so it's really JC's original discovery and he doesn't need to give anon 07:33 any credit for its use in BWA 2.0. When asked to prove his claim, he will then say he really has no proof and we'll all just have to take his word for it! 🫤
DeleteI've been taking a long look at that triangular lock in the DT drawing of the Kassal wheel and noticed something interesting. Notice that the lock is located between the number 3 over the rope pulley on the floor and the number 7 to the right of the lock? If you multiply those two numbers you get 3 x 7 = 21. Now use the bottom point on the lock to justify inserting a decimal point and you get 2.1. I've seen that number somewhere else before, but cannot recall where. I think it's an important number. I'll keep trying to find out where I saw it. But, definitely, imo, that lock is an important clue and its placement at its particular location in the drawing is not just by chance.
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DeleteIf he does decide to try those push rods then he needs to make them as small and light as possible. If it was me I'd use plastic soda straws for the outer tubes and maybe long wooden stirring spoons for the rods that go inside of the straws. No need for extra lubrication for a small model. How far the rods can slide into the straws could be controlled by punching two small holes through a straw at a certain point along its length and then inserting a short piece of wire through both holes that is then bent around the straw there to keep it in place. This might be a lot easy to make then adding extra cords and pulleys or eyelets to his previous BWA 1.0 design.
Heellooo --> "Lock face" is a typo --> Clock face
DeleteYou still think it can do it ? If it could break H4W the CoG would be well right. It is easy enough for JC to hand move them into position on his build to get a "feel" for it.
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That makes sense, anon 23;57. Hopefully someday JC will actually try proofreading his comments before hitting the publish button. But, I think Brad is right. That odd looking triangle lock IS an important clue of some sort. It's one that SoS could probably just look at and analyze in seconds!
DeleteNumbered 42 & 24 in 2nd & 1st Merseburg illustrations ( c JC's DT ) -> shadows reversed in the 2 illustrations and locks -> lock triangle shape looks like an idealized arrow head ( toy's page E vertical SB ) -> hmmm , I'm seeing a mechanical reversing extension & contraction trend here along with everyone else for the last 23 years.
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DeleteYour analysis of that triangle shaped lock in the DT drawing was excellent. But, it did not go far enough. Yes, as you said, it is a very important clue that Bessler left us. Please permit me to extend the analysis for you.
Notice that after you multiply the 3 by the 7 to get 21, you could also go up the rope to the window to get the number 4. The widow pane frames form a + sign telling us to add numbers together. Okay, let's do it. 21 + 4 = 25. Well, by now we all know what that number represents. It's the 25thk letter of the alphabet and Bessler's way of telling us that he's hidden some important information about the Y shaped levers he used in his wheels and that information somehow involves the lock.
Next look at that pulley wheel mounted on the floor to the left of the lock. It's a symbol for one of Bessler's wheels and the number 3 above it tells us it's for his 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel which is NOT the one he exhibited publicly on June 6th of 1712. So, that number 2.1 has something to do with that prototype wheel and its Y shaped levers. IIRC, you said you had obtained and read the Ken B book on Bessler and his wheels. If so, then you should have noticed that he gives the distances from the pivot of a Y shaped lever (located at the fork in its center) out to the various points on its three arms to which its various coordination ropes must be attached. Those distances he provides are precise and given in inches. It turns out that the distance from the pivot to the farthest attachment point on the arm he refers to as the "B arm" is exactly 2.1 inches for the little Y shaped levers used his 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel which is the value you found without realizing what it was.
Ken B claims that all of the dimensions in all of Bessler's larger wheels were just simple multiples of the dimensions used in his little 3 foot diameter prototype wheel. Now take a look at that window that the rope goes through. Notice that the rope crosses one of the vertical window frame pieces and forms the letter X. That's the multiplication sign in arithmetic and the number 4 near it tells us that we need to multiply something by 4. But what? If you take that pivot to B arm attachment point distance of 2.1 inches that you found for the levers in the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel and multiply it by 4, you will get 2.1 in. x 4 = 8.4 inches. Now check your copy of Ken's book for the lever arm pivot to attachment point distances he gives for the three arms of the Y levers used in the Merseburg and Kassal wheels whose drums were both 12 feet in diameter. You will find he lists that B arm distance as 8.4 inches exactly!
I suspect, but have not verified it yet, that with careful analysis one will be able to find all of the various part dimensions Bessler used in his different diameter wheels in that one DT drawing. You will have to first find a particular part dimension for his 3 foot prototype wheel in the drawing and then simply multiply it by 4 to get what the corresponding value is in his two 12 foot diameter wheels. Fortunately, many of the various other part dimensions you can try finding for the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel have already been provided for you in Ken's book.
Brad, as someone who aspires to become a full fledged SoS disciple with advanced clue finding abilities, knowing that technique that Bessler used should give you a good direction to look in for new clues so you can further develop your skills. Imo, the various wheel part dimensions Bessler used are all definitely in that one drawing. Also don't forget to check out the right side of the drawing with the huge pendulum being powered by the Kassal wheel. Good luck and remember that skill requires practice and you won't develop it overnight. It can take a dedicated Bessler wheel clue seeker probably a minimum of six months of practice before he can truly become an SoS disciple. My skills actually took me several years to acquire!
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DeleteThanks for the feedback DoSoS!
DeleteWhen I see what I can do compared to what you can do when it comes to finding clues in the Bessler drawings, it's like comparing a sparrow to an eagle! I will follow your advice and continue to search those DT drawings for more measurements that Bessler hid in them and, as you suggested, keep consulting the Ken B book for the values I'm supposed to be looking for (I still have not finished his book!). I agree that I need a LOT more practice. Thanks for your advice and your picking up the slack on my numerology analysis of that odd little triangular lock in the Kassal wheel DT drawing. It never occurred to me that the floor pulley next to the lock might represent Bessler's original 3 ft diameter Gera prototype wheel!
Brad
Btw, I'm still in awe of that analysis you made last November 19th of Bessler's last drawing for Karl. It is one of the best I've ever seen on this blog and definitely as good as anything SoS ever showed us.
I've also been studying that DT drawing and noticed something that fits in with what DoSoS said about the floor pulley being a symbol for the Gera wheel. The drum lock has the number 7 near it and if you go up along the rope from the pulley with the 3 over it to the window with the 4 in it and add the numbers, that gives you another 7. Next look at the cross section of the castle wheel's axle and see the 2 near it. Farther up is the number 1, but Bessler uses the Roman numeral i for that 1. i is the 9th letter of the alphabet. If you subtract the 2 from the 9 you get another 7. So, you have three 7's. Next again look at that cross section of the drum's wooden axle. Think of it as the number 0 and the hole at its center as a decimal point. Put them all together and you got 0.777. That Bessler's lucky ratio! I'm also a believer that Bessler used that ratio in building his wheels.
DeleteAside from that, seeing all of those 7's made me realize that 7 also stands for the 7th letter of the alphabet which is G. What do all of those G's suggest? To me they stand for "Gera" which begins with a letter G and is the town where Bessler first found his runner. So, yes, I do agree with DoSoS that the pulley attached to the floor represents Bessler's Gera wheel. Some believe that Bessler actually had two Gera wheels which were his original small prototype and a larger, sturdier version of it that could be taken outdoors. Since the floor pulley wheel is smaller and is located below the much larger drum of the Kassal wheel and is in contact with the room's floor, that suggests to me that the floor pulley represents the smaller Gera prototype wheel that came first before the Kassal wheel which was made years later.
What was the size of that first Gera prototype wheel? Again, use the numbers in the drawing to find it. Multiply the 3 by the 7 to get 21 as Brad did above. Next add the three numbers along the rope going out the window to the box of bricks to that. That gives you 21 + 4 + 5 + 6 which equals 36. That represents the diameter of the Gera wheel symbol that Bessler hid in that DT drawing which would be 36 inches or 3 feet. That wheel he showed off to the public on June 6th, 1712 was not 36 inches in diameter. It was larger so the wheel pulley on the floor in that DT drawing definitely represents Bessler first 36 inch diameter prototype wheel.
Anyway, I hope that Brad and DoSoS find my analysis of interest.
PS, for any newbies here who have no idea what I'm talking about, this is the DT drawing and I used the numbers on the left side of it in my analysis:
https://i.postimg.cc/VNg3D5Dj/DT-drawing.png
Uh oh...something tells me we could have another SoS disciple around here!
DeleteI think anon 08:54 is already an SoS disciple whether he knows it or not. His numerological analysis was top notch, imo. He was even able to determine the diameter of Bessler's Gera prototype wheel and, afaik, there is only one vague reference to it in Bessler's writings. Good show, anon 08:54!
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DeleteI think you are referring to this vague reference from AP:
"So it was that at the house of the Richters (On the hill called
Nickelsberg) in the year 1712 I achieved the discovery of the
wondrous device that has amazed the world so much. My industry
was spared the curses which accompanied the earlier efforts. The
machine stood 3 feet (schuch) high, and was mounted in such a
fashion that anyone could walk all around it. On unfastening a bolt,
the wheel immediately began to revolve. Whoever wished to push
it or touch it at any point was free to do so. People could see there
was no trickery involved, so I didn't suffer in any way!"
I think the phrase "The machine stood 3 feet (schuch) high..." should have been translated as the wheel was 3 feet in diameter which agrees with anon 08:54's numerologically derived value of 36 inches which is 3 feet.
oh boy ... how many times must it be said . it was a typo in JC's book . Gera wheel was 4 foot 6 inches .
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Yes, the Gera wheel exhibited on June 6th, 1712 was 4.5 feet in diameter. But, it was not Bessler's EARLIER prototype wheel that was only 3 feet in diameter. He kept that smaller "toy" wheel with him as he moved from town to town and it was only finally destroyed after his arrest when he got paranoid and to protect his invention destroyed all of the drawings in MT that showed how his pm wheels worked. So, there were actually TWO Gera wheels and many get them confused.
DeleteHe never gave ANY dimensions of the very first prototype . The dimensions are completely unknown and it is not described . Therefore finding any convenient ratio in numbers and shoehorning it back to an unconfirmed dimension of a prototype is pure fantasy and legerdemain. Especially if someone relies on it as fact.
DeleteYou need to read anon 18:59's comment again.
DeleteAfter reading that analysis done by anon 18:54 I'm starting to realize that I'm not really at the bottom of the totem pole of clue analyzers around here. It's more like I'm at the bottom of the part of the pole that is planted deep into the ground to hold it up vertically! I need to do a LOT of practicing just to make it up the pole and into the open air. Such is the lot of an SoS disciple trainee...
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" Anonymous 2 March 2026 at 01:43 .. You need to read anon 18:59's comment again. "
Delete" " Anonymous 1 March 2026 at 18:59 .. I think the phrase "The machine stood 3 feet (schuch) high..." should have been translated as the wheel was 3 feet in diameter which agrees with anon 08:54's numerologically derived value of 36 inches which is 3 feet. " "
Why would I read it again when it was proved wrong 20 years ago, before online translators and chatbots that we can all use today to check things. It's not my problem if he can't read or can't remember anything. Read this short topic on the subject about the size and dimensions of the Gera wheel. Stewart did an amazing job back in 2006 to clarify it for us.
https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=895
I'll summarize it for you. The Gera wheel was ~5 feet in diameter. Confirmed in GB & AP. In DT B. explicitly says the Gera wheel is 5 shoe ( foot ) in diameter. Independently Wagner says in his second Critique that the Gera wheel had a diameter of 2 & 1/2 elles ( ~5 feet ).
The prototype "experiment" has no information on its dimensions or form. It is known that B. had a one-way wheel smaller than the Kassel & Merseburg wheels in 1727 which is assumed to have been destroyed or disassembled before his arrest in 1733. It has been speculated that B. would keep a model in his possession in the earlier years. KB is the one who said he thought it was 3 feet diameter ( if it physically existed ), in the days when facts and guesses were kept separate.
In AP Bessler says halb ( half , and a half ). Taking these facts into consideration then the anon's 3 foot ( & no half ) diameter does NOT agree with any numerologically derived 36 inches ( 3 feet ). Read the BW.com topic above.
People need to have a bw account to read that topic and no one who is not a member will bother to set one up just for that. I think that any 5 foot figure for the diameter of the Gera wheel applies to the second Gera wheel and not the first smaller prototype that Bessler first made. Ken B claims that the second Gera wheel was exactly 4.5 feet in diameter and it's possible the figure of 5 feet was rounded up a half foot. I can find no mention of the Gera wheel's diameter in Wagner's Second Critique. You need to check your source for that claim in that second critique.
DeleteAnybody can enter BW.com discussion forum as a guest to read. Besides, I summarized it for you! There was no fixed unit of length at the time & it varied in Germany to Europe as the discussion outlines. Later B. used Leipsig Elles as the scaling legends showed on the Merseburg and Kassel engravings. There is no proof that his first successful experiment that revolved a little was a full wheel, let alone a 3 foot diameter wheel. That is a convenient product of KB's mind. You didn't look in the Wagner Critique hard enough. It was not hard to find since I told you it was there.
Delete" Wagner 2nd Critique .. XXXIII. On page 21, line 4 seq., the defender indicates the proportion by which the force would be multiplied if the diameter of the wheel were increased. He obtains this proportion from the three different wheels which Orffyreus has made, namely, the first wheel, in * Gera, which measured two and a half Leipzig ells * in diameter and raised several pounds; the second, in Draschwitz which measured 5 Leipzig ells in diameter and drew 40 pounds; at the last, in Merseburg, which measured 6 Leipzig ells and drove 70 to 80 pounds into the air.
" JC's DT pg 230 .. A Modest Postscript
Which it has been thought helpful to place here, giving, as it does, further testimonials, and also some technical details, together with illustrations. When, with God’s guidance, in the year 1712, at * Gera in the Voigtland, contrary to all expectation, the Orffyreus Perpetual Motion finally revealed itself, it is easy to imagine what astonishment it caused to everyone for everyone was desirous to see the actual reality for himself! What they were able to see was a 5-foot diameter wheel *, mounted in a light framework which could be easily moved back and forth, fixed in free trunnion bearings, rotating day and night for weeks on end. "
There is no section XXXIII in Wagner's 2nd Critique. There is such a section in Wagner's 1st Critique where Wagner quotes "the defender" of Bessler stating the Gera wheel measured 2.5 Leipzig ells. But, that defender was not Bessler and he could have been just giving an estimate, his, of the diameter of Bessler's second Gera wheel. As far as the "A Modest Postscript" in DT is concerned, whoever wrote it could have just been using the earlier defender's inaccurate estimate of 5 feet.
DeleteDuhh . the labelled 2nd critique is the actual first critique by Wagner . the DT modest postscript was written and published by Bessler . in his own words the first ever PM machine was the 5 foot ( 4 foot 6 inches ) Gera one that was open to public viewing as recorded . Perhaps you don't want to revisit the bw topic of 20 years ago because there you wax lyrical about your guess of a prior 3 foot wheel . and everybody says where is the evidence of it .
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DeleteI think that anon 07:58 was referring to the 1st critique according to what JC had on his website and only that one has a reference by Wagner to a defender giving 5 ft as the diameter of the Gera wheel of 6/6/1712. I agree with him that defender might not have been Bessler. Now you say that wheel was 4.5 feet in diameter?! That agrees with the claim by Ken B. The problem I see here is that you think that 6/6/1712 wheel was Bessler's first, but there is evidence it is not like that anon 18:59 quote BY BESSLER from AP saying "The machine stood 3 feet (schuch) high, and was mounted in such a fashion that anyone could walk all around it." How do you explain that quote away? A 3 feet diameter for a first Gera prototype wheel agrees with the various numerology analyses above as well as with the Ken B estimate.
omg .. It is a postscript written BY Bessler about HIS already much viewed Gera wheel .
DeleteJC's DT pg 230 .. written & published by Bessler ( in German & Latin , able to be compared )
" A Modest Postscript
Which it has been thought helpful to place here, giving, as it does, further testimonials, and also some technical details, together with illustrations. When, with God’s guidance, in the year 1712, at Gera in the Voigtland, contrary to all expectation, the Orffyreus Perpetual Motion finally revealed itself, it is easy to imagine what astonishment it caused to everyone for everyone was desirous to see the actual reality for himself! What they were able to see was a 5-FOOT DIAMETER WHEEL, mounted in a light framework which could be easily moved back and forth, fixed in free trunnion bearings, rotating day and night for weeks on end. So much interest was generated that the ruling household at Gera soon realised that such a potential money-spinner – which had ALREADY captivated hundreds of goggling spectators – could not be ignored. Immediately Her Highness The Count’s widow – a
lady (page 108) well-versed in many arcane areas of knowledge – with great foresight gave instructions for the drawing-up of the following testimonial (here printed for the first time) by credible persons, with the aim of creating greater recognition FOR MY MACHINE. "
The next thing to comprehend is that there were NOT TWO different Gera wheels, of different diameters, open for public viewing, at different times, and which the public were able to walk around etc. There was only ONE wheel of 4 foot 6 inch ( imperial units ) diameter which was viewed on different dates.
DeleteNext , you don't give the correct translated quote from AP - as was said earlier JC's English translation misquotes as three - it was ? and a half ( halb ), with the half left out of the translation. AP was written in rhyming prose so words were chosen by B. to rhyme etc . IOW's not always literal , form over function .
DeleteThe phrase “Mein Werk war hoch drittehalb Schuch” translates to: “My work was three and a half shoes high.”
“drittehalb” (modern German: dreieinhalb) means “three and a half.”
“Schuch” is likely an old spelling of “Schuh” (shoe), which was historically used as a unit of measurement (similar to a foot), not literal footwear.
So a more natural translation would be: “My work was three and a half shoe-lengths high.”
" Mein Werk war hoch drittehalb Schuch.
DeleteEs pflege frei und so zu stehen
Daß jedermann drum konnte gehen.
Warf ich den Riegel von dem Ritz,
So lief das Rad flugs (wie der Blitz). "
“My work was three and a half shoes high.
It used to stand free in such a way
That everyone could walk around it.
If I threw the bolt from the slot,
The wheel ran at once (like lightning).”
https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=895
Deletere: Wheel drawing info & analysis
Post by Stewart » Sat 04 Feb, 2006 4:33 pm
There has always been some confusion over the size of Bessler's first demonstration wheel at Gera. I think I've worked out where the confusion lies....
Here are the measurements from the three Bessler publications:
Grundlicher Bericht
so drittehalb Leipziger Ellen im Diametro und 4 Zoll in der Dicke gehabt,
Apologia Poetica
Mein Werck war hoch drittehalb Schuch/
Das Triumphans
Man sahe ein Rad von 5. Fuß im Diameter
GB and AP both mention the word 'drittehalb'. Despite having the word 'dritte' in it, which would make you think of 'three', the word actually means 'zwei und ein halb' or 'two and a half'.
So GB gives us a diameter of 2.5 Leipzig Ells (and 4 inches thick), which is 5 Leipzig feet. (1 Elle = 2 Fuß...see previous posts)
AP seems to contradict that, but the sentence isn't as clear cut, as is often the case with AP! 'Schuch' or 'Schuh' means 'shoe' and was an old measurement that became 'fuß' or 'foot'. Bessler always uses the word 'fuß', so he must have used 'Schuch' here so that he could rhyme it with 'Fluch' on the previously line. "My Work was 2.5 shoes high". If that is the intended meaning then it would seem that it is giving us a value of 2.5 feet in diameter. This is half the size of the measurement in GB. However, it doesn't specifically mention the word diameter, so I wonder whether there could be another explanation to the meaning of that line. One possibility is that maybe "2.5 shoes high" could mean it is raised 2.5 feet off of the floor. I haven't tried translating the text around that line yet to see if that would make sense though.
DT confirms the measurement in GB of "5 feet in diameter" and also therefore, confirms the translation of 'drittehalb' to mean 'two and a half'.
I think it's safe to conclude then that the Gera wheel was 2.5 Leipzig ells or 5 Leipzig feet in diameter and 4 Leipzig inches thick.
To give a rough idea of the size in modern feet and meters...
Assuming that:
1 Leipzig Fuß (foot) = 0.92738 feet = 0.28267 metres
1 Leipzig Elle (ell) = 2 Leipzig Fuß (foot) = 1.85476 feet = 0.56534 metres
Then:
Gera wheel diameter = 1.4 metres (4.6 feet)
Gera wheel thickness = 0.09 metres (0.3 feet) = 9 centimeters (3.7 inches)
Stewart
re: Wheel drawing info & analysis
DeletePost by ken_behrendt » Wed 20 Apr, 2005 12:39 pm
ovyyus...
I just love that nice comparison chart of Bessler wheels that you made...kind of puts the whole thing in perspective including the directions they were capable of turning in. John...you should definitely have something like this chart in your next book...
The only suggestion that I would make would be to include yet ANOTHER wheel at the leftmost part of the chart. I am convinced, as I've posted before, that Bessler had a smaller prototype wheel that was only about 3 feet in diameter and a few inches thick. I believe that this little wheel traveled around with him most of his life and was the last one he destroyed. Yes, I know it's HYPOTHETICAL, but you could put a question mark on it to alert the reader to this FACT.
ken
The later one-way wheel witnessed in 1727, and corresponded in letters on in PM-AAMS?, was smaller than the Merseburg or Kassel wheels - I was noted as not transportable .
DeleteAnon 23:07 gave this quote: “Mein Werk war hoch drittehalb Schuch” which translates to: “My work was three and a half shoes high” where "dreieinhalb" means “three and a half” and "Schuch" means a length of one foot.
DeleteTo me that only confirms that Bessler's first Gera prototype wheel, which was not publicly exhibited like the one on June 6th, 1712, was in fact only 3 feet in diameter. In his book Ken B gives detailed instructions for reconstructing that prototype wheel. He shows the final replica prototype wheel mounted on a small two arm wooden stand that places the bottom of its drum exactly 6 inches above a tabletop that the little wheel and its stand could be placed on. That extra 6 inches would indeed cause the top of the drum to be exactly 3 feet and a half feet above the surface of the table. Sorry, anon 23:07, but I don;t think you are going to convince anyone here that Bessler did not have that little 3 foot diameter prototype wheel completed before he constructed his larger 4.5 diameter wheel which was the one he did first exhibit publicly in Gera.
No go KB, I'll let them decide the facts for themselves , rather than brainwashing . In the same stanza Bessler said everyone could walk around the wheel , so clearly it is the same 4 foot 6 inch diameter public wheel reported . To bad it's actual size doesn't support your numerology connections.
Delete" Mein Werk war hoch drittehalb Schuch.
Es pflege frei und so zu stehen
Daß jedermann drum konnte gehen.
Warf ich den Riegel von dem Ritz,
So lief das Rad flugs (wie der Blitz). "
“My work was three and a half shoes high.
It used to stand free in such a way
That everyone could walk around it.
If I threw the bolt from the slot,
The wheel ran at once (like lightning).”
I couldn't care less if B had one or two Gera wheels or what their sizes were. Why waste so much time talking about all that bs? The only thing that matters is what was going on INSIDE of those wheels. Without that info all you got is lot of hot air to blow around.
DeleteWell it wasn't inside KB's faked sim.
Deleteroll up roll up roll up . put your money in my pot & come inside to see the amazing first ever perpetual motion wheel . it is 3 feet high . you can walk around it one way and then the other if not satisfied with what you see before you .
DeleteThere is zero proof that Ken B faked his simulation of the Gera prototype wheel he shows in his youtube video. I've studied that sim of his and am convinced it is genuine. Also, Bessler didn't charge anyone to see his little 3 foot prototype wheel run. It was only demonstrated privately to Bessler's most trusted friends or, when he was between larger running wheels, to potential buyers who might actually have had the 100,000 reichtsthalers he demanded for the invention. That was an enormous amount of money back then. All of his other wheels, with the exception of the Weissenstein Castle wheel, required a small fee to see if the person could afford it. I saw one estimate that Christian Wagner, a full mathematics professor at Leipzig University, made around 4,000 reichtsthalers a year. So Bessler wanted an amount for his invention equal to what Wagner would have earned in 25 YEARS!
DeleteYou've studied the YT video of the sim, not the actual sim lol.
DeleteI haven't studied TSM's actual sim of JC's BWA 1.0 wheel either, but I accept it as genuine. I have no reason to believe that TSM would fake a sim showing JC's scissor action wheel does not work and JC has confirmed that what he built behaves like the one in TSM's sim. One is innocent until proven guilt and, so far, neither Ken B nor TSM have been proven guilty of anything other than trying to bring us more information.
DeleteFor any newbies here who have not yet seen the controversial Ken B Gera prototype wheel sim video, you can view it here:
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It's supposed to be 36 inches in diameter and he claims it took him fifty years to finally find it! It would normally run at about 60 rpm's, but he mentions somewhere that he purposely slowed it down so the swinging actions of its eight Y shaped levers could be better viewed.
"guilty of anything other than trying to bring us more information". Context Is Everything.
DeleteKB removed the same video from youtube he had uploaded 10 years ago losing the comments, & then uploaded it again a year ago. he has had ample time to make a new video of the same sim without the faults it was critiqued for then. 1 y lever passes through its barrier rim stop showing he hasn't turned on contact between these objects. the connection points on the y levers visually migrate from one side to the other of its branch and back again in 1 revolution. they do not move about in a simulation of that scale no matter what he said previously about an artifact of the program. the cog bobbles around slightly on the descending side indicating an independent invisible large mass influencing the the cog visual to that side. the video shows a constant rpm probably turned by a hidden motor. he does not give any metrics at all, not even to show an instant & quick acceleration like the Gera wheel had upon release. he has not shared his sim so it can be validated by anyone else experienced with the sim program who would look under the covers. it is very easy to fake a sim for youtube. send money.
TSM makes a good sim approximation of John's wheel. it is easy to sim & understand. we have got the same results. TSM has it under control without our critiques or comparisons. the cog results are obvious.
"the cog bobbles around slightly on the descending side indicating an independent invisible large mass influencing the the cog visual to that side. the video shows a constant rpm probably turned by a hidden motor."
DeleteThe CoG does "bobble" around slightly and that could just be due to some delays in the shiftings of the eight levers. What's important is that the CoG stays on the descending side throughout the full wheel rotation which is not something we saw with the recent TSM simulation of JC's BWA 1.0 wheel. I don't think a constant rotation rate for the Ken B prototype sim indicates a hidden motor was used. Ken B says he purposely slowed down the sim so it can be studied. He could have done that by simply increasing the air drag on its parts which would give a steady rotation rate. As far as metrics go, he does tell us that the prototype he used in his sim was 36 inches in diameter and that the levers had 6 ounce lead ingots mounted on the ends of one of their three arms.
I think he's not revealing all because he wants people to buy his book and make their own sims and builds using its more detailed instructions. Personally I find his design to be convincing. It agrees with everything I know or think I know about Bessler's wheels. Is it "the" solution? Right now all I would say is "maybe", but that will quickly become a "yes" when I see someone actually build it and it works. Who knows when or even if that will ever happen?
If it's not repeatable then it is not science! gullible is not my middle name. it is easy to keep the cog to the right side as I said. just pin & hide a mass out to the right somewhere, so that's a non starter argument. while you can slow a WM simulation down by increasing air friction we don't even know if he has it turned on even just a little to appproximate any sort of friction losses, including any pin friction losses ect. no metrics. and, if he had slowed it by this common & approximate method then the wheel acceleration metric would show it would not be at a constant rpm, it would variate slightly. the original video on his youtube channel was longer, this is a shortened clipped version. because someone did a frame by frame analysis of its rpm, & it was constant as though it were driven to be that regular & exact. of course the 10 year old plus video & comments have been removed. one criticism has always been why didn't he make a second short video, & post it on his channel, where he shows the wheel quickly accelerating from a standing start after release, since he promotes it as Bessler's first one-way wheel PM principle. he would not answer that. as you know someone did build it. one that works based on his design is another matter. science is repeatable, not the art of being gullible or in loony tune delusion land! send him money & crack on with the build then.
DeleteAnon 23:41 wrote "...it is easy to keep the cog to the right side as I said. just pin & hide a mass out to the right somewhere..."
DeleteNot only would he have to hide a mass out to the right somewhere, but he'd have to make it wobble around a little in sync with the wheel's rotation. I've studied the motion of the CoG marker in his video and I notice it wobbles in sync with the sudden cw swinging of the lever passing the 9:00 position. I can't believe that CoG is not the actual CoG of the eight levers. Imo, his sim is genuine.
enough of the gaslighting already. this is a 1 lb mass pinned to the right.
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Chill tf out. Why so much bitterness? Why so much entitlement. I have held my tongue, for a long time now. I only pop in once in a while to read comments and see if anyone is on the same frequency with me. But damn the air here reeks of malice, not skepticism ,not pessimism but sheer bitterness.
ReplyDeleteI dont get it, my mind is blown. Maybe a few are responsible for the hateful comments but man they are damn persistent and loud. True JC stalls, true JC design doesn’t work,…..so what. Who’s does? I absolutely don’t believe in Bessler or his “clues” but I believe in this community, I only come here for the community, that I’m not alone in my belief that this is possible, that I’m in the midst of fellow comrades, deluded sobs, it’s good to have company on the bus to hell rather than a lonely ride.
JC owes nobody nothing, maybe some explanations or the standard to which he has held himself but nothing more. I for one have nothing but profound respect for JC for keeping the candle burning all these years. 60 effing years and counting, I can imagine how many “almost” moment within that time.I may not agree with JC but that doesn’t diminish my respect for him.
This is a quest of logic ,deduction and imagination not one of decoding or deciphering. Besslers clues are too vague, there could be a billion possibilities if your mind is vast. The clues have failed because they were a failure an initio.
You guys should chill , tone down the negative criticism. I’m not saying don’t criticize but one could actually feel the coldness/hate in what passes as criticism here. For what na?
To JC I say take a break , maybe two or three days or a week and try not to think about this mystery (I know how hard it is) the come back to it with refreshed eyes . You’d be surprised how focus can blind you to other things.
To others I say discard the clues and actually try to solve the mystery, if Bessler succeeded then he was the kinda guy that wanted others to fail( he wouldn’t have left useful clues)and if he did fail then why bother with his clues.
To the critics, no not to the critics , to the bitter-tear -him-down fellows. Get a life
nice speech. but i don';t think they want to tear him down or they are bitter. i think they want to help jc avoid wasting more of his time chasing a design that they are 100% convinced is a dead duck and will remain one. maybe he will take their hint or maybe not. its up to him. if i was him i would steer clear of all of those scissor mechs. i've worked with them in the past and they are nothing but trouble. i doubt if bessler actually used them in his wheels.
DeleteAnon:13:39 . I totally get it. I am not saying don’t critique or that you have to nice about it or sugarcoat or anything. The truth is bitter, yes , but they don’t have to hide their bitterness in the truth. Be blunt but not cold. If you look closely and dispassionately, some comments are actually bitter, it’s 80% stomping and 20% criticizing.
DeleteI agree with you about the scissors utility, the mind is so treacherous and true in and of itself, it tells us to discard nothing and embrace every possibility, after all there are a billion or more possible combos. It’s like trying to crack a password lock of 4 digits ****, you can’t disregard 0001-5000 on one hand and neither can you disregard 5001-9999 on the other hand unless you are absolutely sure of which hand the answer lies , and the thing is you can’t be absolutely sure of anything until that lock cracks open ( in this case a runner). Did you even notice that digit 0000 isn’t on either hand and could be the answer. So then, truly, how do you shut your mind to any possibility?
This thing is not difficult (haha). It’s the uphill task the mind has to do to crack it that is , just because of the dogma that is it’s impossible. If this were given to a university or high school class as a weekend assignment absent the burden of impossibility, absent the taboo that it violates the universal laws of physics, etc. I believe a solution would be found by Monday.
Cheers 🥂 to those who strive
I know of no better life purpose than to perish attempting the great and impossible - Friedrich Nietzsche
Unfortunately, cemeteries all over the world are filled with fools that tried following Nietzche's suicidal philosophy! Better to be a live coward than a dead hero!
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DeleteFortunately, cemeteries all over the world are filled with fools that didn’t try following Nietzche's suicidal philosophy! A live coward and a dead hero have one thing in common i.e ultimately and inevitably, they die!
True, but while a dead hero is lying in his grave decaying away, the coward is still alive, partying on, and thanking God he chose to be a coward! He may even be spending his nights consoling the widow of a dead hero.
DeleteAnon 20:26
DeleteYou don’t get it. You can’t get it.
You are not able to fathom how an individual can choose a minute of fulfillment over a thousand years of emptiness.
We can’t all see life the same way and that’s okay.👌
Party on brother 👊
BA-BOOM! It looks like the US/Israeli war with Iran has just started and Ayatollah Khamenei is now in hiding somewhere! This is going to get a LOT uglier before it gets better. Imagine if the Iranians get lucky and manage to sink the USS Gerald R. Ford which is considered to be the biggest aircraft carrier in the world. Can't happen? Oh yes it can. All it would take is a mass attack by torpedo boats at night and a few well aimed torpedoes. Maybe the Iranians have a few battlefield nukes they've purchased from other rogue nuclear states that they have kept quiet about for years. Imagine one of them being snuck into Tel Aviv and detonated to kill hundreds of thousands. Can't happen? Oh yes it can!
ReplyDeleteI saw on the news this morning that they landed a missile right on Khamenei's compound in Tehran turning into a pile of smoldering rubble. No doubt, he was smart enough not to be home at the time! He's a crafty little octogenarian religious kook.
DeleteI think the US and Israel are assuming that this will be another "short" war for them mainly fought from the air with missiles and jets. The regime will then obligingly collapse as a Western approved interim government is quickly set up until actual fair democratic elections can be held. Khamenei and his henchmen will then be rounded up and be given quick "show trials" followed by an even quicker public executions.
That rosy scenario, however, is definitely not what I think will be happening. The Iranian regime is made up of religiously fanatical, genocidal, apocalyptic types and they will plan on a long war of attrition that they expect to win as the exhausted US and Israel military ground forces eventually just give up on and go home after declaring some sort of "victory" that will actually not be one. That will then allow Iran to continue to develop its arsenal of nuclear weapons to guarantee future immunity from any more attempts by the "Great Satan" (that's the US) and the "Little Satans" (that's any other ally of the US that opposes them) to put an end to them and their iron fisted rule of Iran and its people. Eventually, however, Trump will realize that the only way to really permanently get rid of the Iranian regime and its nuclear weapons program is to send in troops to do the job. And not just a few thousand troops either. It will have to be hundreds of thousands of troops and the cost for this war will probably be in the trillions of USD at a time when the US' national debt is already the highest in the world and in history!
Interestingly enough, so far, other than Israel, I have not heard of any of the US' other allies taking a part in this little war. Where are the French, the Brits, and the Canadians? They probably decided to sit this one out as pay back for all those punishing tariffs Trump put on them that have pulled their economies down.
I think that the Iranians were desperately trying to prevent a US ground attack by putting out a video showing a field with hundreds of new graves dug in it just waiting to be filled with dead US soldiers! Here's a screenshot from that video:
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But it might just be from a video of mass graves they dug years ago to bury all of their Covid 19 dead. As someone once said "The first casualty in any wa is the truth!"
I;m very antiwar but i have to agree that having a bunch of muslim fanatics ovre in iran with nuclear missiles ready for firing is the last thing anyone over there who is still rational needs. those atomic allatoyahs want to be able to nuke anyone in their region or in europe or even in the us whenever they decide to for whatever jihadist reason they come up wiht. that cant be allowed but putting a final end to their threat wont be easy or cheap. many will die including a lot of american military. i agree that things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. usually the sooner everyone thinks a conflict will be the longer it goes on. trump was going to end the russian/ukraine mess on his first day in office. that was over a year ago and the war still goes on over there killing thousands every week. total insanity and all because of one delusional russian dictator who thinks hes another peter the great.
DeleteIt looks like that sneak attack on Iran was very effective. Netanyahu says he has evidence that Ayatollah Khamenei is DEAD because, apparently, he was in his office at his compound when all of the incoming rockets pulverized it. There was no one designated to take his place if he died or got killed. Not only that but so is much of the top leadership of the Iranian regime now dead or injured. If that is the case, then maybe this will all be over with much sooner than expected. I hope so because the longer it drags on, the more people who will die or be injured. So far, the US and Israelis have had no deaths and only light property damage. Over 200 Israeli jets took part in the attack which is almost all of their combat aircraft!
DeleteIt's official now. The Iranian state media has confirmed that Khamenei is dead. Good riddance say I. That old geek was responsible for the deaths of thousands. I hope he's finding hell hot enough! 🔥🔥🔥👿👿👿🔥🔥🔥
DeleteSupposedly the Iranian regime has vowed to avenge the murder of their "Supreme Leader" by shortly releasing a brutal revenge on the US and Israeli forces. Sounds like they are getting ready to shoot everything they have at any US ships or bases in the area as well as sites in Israel to try to inflict as many casualties and damage as possible. That could involve thousands of missiles that overwhelm our air defenses. Everyone will have to hunker down in their bomb shelters and wait it out. But, then what? So the Iranian regime has no missiles left, but they will still have a huge standing army of almost one MILLION ready to fight to the death any invading ground troops which will have to mainly be supplied by the US. This mess isn't over yet by any means. It sounds like it's going to be heating up even more in the coming days!
DeleteExpect the Iranian regime to shut down the Strait of Hormuz through which about 1/3 of the world's oil flows. Even though that hasn't happened yet, several shipping companies are already stopping their ships from using that strait and the traffic through it is now down about 70%. Not happy with the price of your petrol and oil now? Get ready to see it DOUBLE and soon! Just what we need in these inflationary times.
DeleteAnon 01:42 wrote "That old geek was responsible for the deaths of thousands."
DeleteNot just thousands, but TENS of thousands! The latest estimate is that back on Jan 8th and 9th during the protests in Iran over inflation and the incompetence and corruption of the regime, their "supreme leader" ordered his security forces to start shooting the protesters which they obediently did. The estimated death toll is now about 32,000 THOUSAND! They actually ran out of body bags and were using dump trucks to move the bodies around instead of ambulances. They eventually just laid the remains of the dead out in the open so family members could walk from corpse to corpse hoping to identify and claim the bodies of their children which could be a challenge since many were shot in the head by snipers. Imo, the world should have done something about Khamenei DECADES ago instead of playing games with him and making him think he was somehow untouchable and could get away with anything in the name of Allah.
But the Iranian regime is not finished yet. They are now in the process of picking a new "supreme leader" and he will probably be an even bigger mental case tyrant than the last one if that is possible. A ground invasion by US forces is now looking like it is far more likely and it will really be a bloody one.
there's some rumor taht the new iranian regime wants to "talk" with trump. he will rightly see that as more delaying tactics unless they are prepared to hand over all nuclear material, rockets, and equipment for refining uranium. that will of course be unacceptable to them and the bomardmnet of iran will continue. they have vowed vengence and i wouldn't be surprised if they are planning to assassinate trump if they can. fawk the iranians could have a dozen sleeper cells inthe us right now that are readying to attack civilain targets to cause mass causalities. they could have snipers going around shooting people, spread some disease, or release nerves gases in popuated areas. maybe they will sneak a dirty bomb into nyc and detonate it to make a large part of it contaminated and uninhabitable? if that happens the need for a military gorund invasion into iran increases. i think in a month this mess is going to really get ugly.
DeleteIt looks like the Brits have finally gotten onboard with the US/Israeli war against Iran. I just saw the UK prime minister, Keir Starmer, on BBC saying that he's going to allow the US to launch attacks against Iran using UK military bases in the area. Those bases could be used to host the hundreds of thousand of US troops that will have to be sent in. They could also be used for combat aircraft which are being moved into the area. This thing just keeps heating up. I think Trump will shortly start to prepare the US public for a protracted war that could go on for MONTHS not days! It's starting to look more and more like how the Russia/Ukraine war started. So far the US has only had 3 dead...but that will only be the beginning.
DeleteFirst Trump said that the attack on Iran would only last a few days. Then it will only last a week. Then it will last four weeks. Now it will last four OR MORE weeks. The time horizon on the war keeps being expanded. Next, he'll be telling us it will last 3 months, then 6 months, and so on. No regime change will result from an aerial only campaign that destroys Iran's buildings and military bases. Troops will have to be sent in to do the job. I suspect that the next message we will get from Trump is that regime change was not the real goal of the attack, just knocking out Iran's ability to make nukes and put them on missiles. Eventually, it will be announced that goal has been achieved and there is no need to send in US troops. He will declare victory and bring the troops home.
DeleteThe revamped regime will still be in charge in Iran and routinely executing any citizens who protest their incompetence and violence. For the average citizen of Iran nothing will actually change. But what about all those nukes the Iranians want to make? They will continue to seek them only do it far more stealthily using even deeper underground facilities. They are in no rush. They know Trump will eventually be gone and the next US president will probably be too distracted with other international problems to worry about Iran's suspected nuclear arms program. They also know the day will eventually come when they can demonstrate the explosion of their very own nuke. That day will instantly make them a nuclear power to be feared by all of the other nonnuclear powers in the Middle East and the surrounding region and maybe even the world.
Their Shia fanaticism will also be fully intact and they will not hesitate about setting the world on fire to welcome the final Mahdi, their version of the messiah, back to Earth. That can only be changed by an invasion of hundreds of thousands of US ground troops into Iran and that is very highly unlikely to ever happen. With their heavily armed one million man army, the new regime over there knows that. They are patient and confident that in the end they will conquer the Great Satan and all of the little Satans.
Trump was recently bragging that the US sank ten of the Iranian naval ships and that "some were pretty big". Sounds impressive, but a single small torpedo boat, by itself, could sink a large US naval ship. The Iranians are probably planning such a surprise attack right now in an effort to embarrass Trump and the US military. If so, they will probably paint their torpedo boats flat black and attack on a moonless night. Those nights will happen during the two or three nights of the new moon and around March 18th this month. Expect such an attack on one of those nights.
DeleteIF the Iranians managed to sink the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier it would make a real mess. That ship is powered by TWO A1B nuclear reactors and they would contaminate the waters surrounding the sunken ship for miles in all directions with radioactive materials. However, I don;t think that will happen because that ship is now somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea and out of easy reach by Iranian torpedo boats (it's exact location is, of course, classified info only available to the US military). The USS GRF also has something called "Ghost Mode" that it uses which makes it invisible to civilian tracking systems. The best the Iranians can hope for is to be able to visually sight a US warship in the Persian Gulf and then make a suicidal attack on it with a torpedo boat at night. Approaching the ship using a high speed, zig zagging course might work if the ship's crew was not at their battle stations and prepared to shoot it out of the water before it reached the ship.
DeleteThe Ukrainians have managed to successfully sink several of the Russian warships in the Black Sea using drone boats. These small, high speed boats are packed with explosives and travel low in the water. They have a camera mounted on them so that a pilot, located safely on shore, can see where the drone boat is heading and then he can use simple radio controls to adjust the boat's rudder and steer it toward a Russian warship's hull to blow a large hole in it. They are like torpedoes that can be manually guided. The best place to hit a target ship is right in the middle of its hull which can then quickly flood it and sink the ship. It's a simple DIY weapon costing only about $250,000 USD (equal to £197,000) to make which is cheaper than many types of long range missiles. They are a low cost way to sink a multimillion dollar warship! The question I have is whether or not the Iranians made such drone boats and, if so, how many. Imo, being able to aim them makes them even more dangerous to a large ship than a mine.
Here's a nice photo of a drone boat that was released by the Ukrainian government:
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When the Russian sailors see one of these heading toward their ship, they always shoot at its bow hoping to hit the detonator there and make it explode before it reaches their ship's hull. I guess their aim isn't that good because, so far, the Russian navy has had about 30 of its ships sunk by the Ukrainians, who have no navy, and most of those lost ships were hit by Ukrainian drone boats!
Amazing how well the Ukrainians are doing without having a navy of their own...unless you count their drone boats as a navy. I wonder if the Russian populace is aware of how many ships they are losing in the Black Sea. Probably not because the Russian media is strictly state controlled and anyone in it stupid enough to put out a story telling the people what is really going in their war with the Ukraine might just suddenly disappear one night! Being a journalist over in Russia really means being a state propagandist.
DeleteI think I just heard that the attack on Ayatollah Khamenei's compound that killed him and a bunch of his cronies was done by ISRAEL after the US CIA let them know they were all gathered in one of the buildings. Trump then decided to join in on the attack on Iran only after he found out the Israeli military had carried out the assassinations.
DeleteThere's a rumor that the Israeli's got some photos of Kharmenei's body that was found in the debris of his office. Apparently, one of the rockets came right through the ceiling and exploded only a few tens of feet from him. But, somehow that blast actually tore his head right off of his body! He must have been smoking hashish in a hookah (a kind of Persian water pipe) at the time because his decapitated head still had the pipe's mouthpiece in its mouth. A really gruesome kind of ending, but well deserved when you consider how many lives he snuffed out during the decades of his rule.
DeleteThat rumor is true! Here's one of the top secret Israeli photos that leaked out recently:
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Damn...a man his age shouldn't have been smoking...didn't he know that's bad for your health? Then again so is being in the sane room with an exploding missile!
DeleteLatest news...on Friday before the big attack on Saturday when the US and Iran were still negotiating and getting nowhere as usual, one of the Iranian negotiators let slip that Iran ALREADY had enough enriched uranium to make 11 atomic bombs! Remember how Trump was boasting last June that he totally wiped out their nuke program with those bunker buster bombs? Turns out he was wrong. The Iranians somehow found out about his plans and the targets ahead of time and moved all of their enriched uranium out of them to another secret site. What they did not realize was that the Israeli's found out about its location and it was one of the first targets they hit last Saturday. If that was not done, then with a little more enrichment to 90%, the Iranians would have had 11 nuke warheads to put on missiles and fire at Israel and US bases in the region!
DeleteIt looks like this war was started just in a nick of time. But, I don't expect the Iranian regime to go away quietly. They will make their new regime even more tyrannical and the only way to completely get rid of it will be with a huge US military invasion. However, maybe some deal could be made with the regular Iranian military's defecting generals to temporarily take over the country until some sort of democratic, human rights respecting, secular civilian government can be set up. The less loss of US life, the better. Meanwhile, there are hundred's of thousands of US citizens stuck in the region with no way to get out because all commercial air traffic has been halted. Something has to be done to help them.
Virtually all of the oil tankers that would have been moving through the Strait of Hormuz have stopped. The price of oil is starting to climb and world stock markets are starting to crash. Some over in Europe think this won't affect them that much and it should all be over soon. Easy to say until MILLIONS of new war refugees fleeing the Middle East start showing up in their countries penniless, hungry, and sick and all of the European taxpayers will be expected to cough up more tax money to care for them all. They think inflation there is bad now? They ain't seen nothing yet!
DeleteLooks like the US Senate is planning to "reign in" Trump's war with Iran by cutting off the funding for it. My prediction is that effort will fail. The present Iranian regime, with a new nuttier supreme leader, is just too dangerous to the world to leave unchecked. The cost of wiping them out completely will be high, but, this time, I think the US will take most of their oil production profits to offset the cost to the US taxpayers. That might actually reduce the US national debt and could set the pattern for future US interventions around the world. The US will implant a democracy in a certain country, but the price will be giving US companies unrestricted access to their fossil fuel and mineral resources. US taxpayers cannot be expected to pay the bills on all of this forever...time to start passing the cost onto those who are rescued from the tyrants.
DeleteSo far the US and Israel have destroyed about 2,000 targets inside of Iran and probably killed several times that number of their military personnel. The US losses so far have been only 6! It looks like the Iranians were taken so by surprise that their almost completely degraded weapons are now barely able to respond. Their air defense is nonexistent and their cell phones don't work. The electrical power may be out as well. But, they still have a one million man army who will have to switch sides before the Iranian people can finally be free of an Islamic fundamentalist tyrant. I see that as a possibility.
DeleteMeanwhile, the remnants of the Iranian regime are looking for a new Supreme Leader. There's talk about making Ayatollah Kharmenei's son their new leader. Assuming he actually survives the ongoing attack, I suspect he will be just as tyrannical as his dear daddy was. Btw. It was mentioned that some Iranian who planned to assassinate Trump during his first term is now dead.
The US Secretary of War says that the US is in no rush to end the attack and has a virtually unlimited supply of 500, 1,000, and 2,000 lb laser guided gravity bombs to dump on them!
I wonder where this will all be a month from now?
That pudgy little dictator in North Korea, Kim Jong Un, recently said he's on the side of Iran and could give them a single missile that would end it all quickly. He's suggesting he might give the collapsing Iranian regime a NUCLEAR weapon to use probably on Israel. If that was to happen, then the US would undoubtedly give Kim the same treatment they are giving Iran now. But, the difference is that Kim has intercontinental missiles that he claims can reach the US! He also claims to have the much more powerful hydrogen bombs in their warheads. Is it a bluff? We may all soon find out. This situation is rapidly escalating!
DeleteKim was a lot smarter than those atomic ayatollahs over in Iran. Kim has most of his nuke missiles mounted on big trucks that can move them around. That makes it harder to target them with drones or by high altitude bombers. But, how do we know that all of those missile carrying trucks of his are actually carrying working missiles? Fawk, they could just be hauling around dummy mock up missiles that look good in a military parade. There was never a peace treaty made with North Korea and the US, technically, is still at war with them. The time to do something about North Korean nukes was about twenty years ago when Kim's father, their previous mass murdering dictator, detonated his first atom bomb. Something can still be done about him, but it's a lot more dangerous now if he's not bluffing.
Deleteanon 03:42 wrote: "Kim Jong Un, recently said he's on the side of Iran and could give them a single missile that would end it all quickly.'
DeleteYes, that would work. KJU could sell the Iranians a single nuke missile maybe for one billion dollars. The Iranians could then say that all attacks on them must stop in 48 hours. If not then they will launch their one nuke missile at a some city and wipe it out! Is the US and Israel going to ignore that threat and keep bombing away assuming its a bluff or are they going to back off? Be interesting to see how such a situation would be handled. If they did not back off and the Iranians then did blow up some city killing hundreds of thousands or millions then what would the world do to them and North Korea?
I think the US would respond by dropping an H bomb on Tehran in retaliation. They might give them 48 hrs warning so as many civilians could evacuate as possible. Anyone in the Iranian regime who thought it was a bluff could stay behind and then perish along with the city. If this was to happen, it would be the first use of a hydrogen bomb on a civilian target in history.
DeleteWelcome to our beautiful city of Tehran everyone. Come...enjoy our warm climate...work on your tan...and leave your worries behind...
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The last seven days of the US' war against Iran has cost her taxpayers about one BILLION USD per DAY! Hopefully, now that their military is switching over to using those 500, 1000, and 2,000 pound, laser guided gravity bombs, the cost per day can come way down. Meanwhile, Trump says he wants "unconditional surrender" from what is left of the Iranian regime and HE will decide who the new leader in Iran will be! I've yet to see such a surrender given without a massive troop invasion or a threat of one as happened with Japan at the end of WWII. Such a surrender doesn't take place from 30,000 feet up in the air especially when your enemy still has a one MILLION man army ready to fight.
DeleteWhat does the current Iranian regime think of all of this? My bet is that they are planning to assassinate Trump if they can. In fact, multiple fatwas have already been issued by senior religious figures in Iran urging Muslims across the world to rise up against the US and Israel. That will oblige good Muslims everywhere to kill Americans and Jews wherever they can find them. If those Muslims are killed in the attempt, they are forgiven of any sins they've committed and are guaranteed to go straight to Paradise. So expect to see a wave of killings around the world as faithful Muslims obey these fatwas requiring them to avenge the assassination of their Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Things are about to get a whole lot worse.
Welcome to the war, UK! I just saw that the Brits are getting ready to deploy one of their two aircraft carriers, the HMS Prince of Wales, in five days to the Mediterranean to "protect their interests there". That's good news for the US and Israel in case they need some extra jet fighters flying around shooting down drones before they can land in civilian areas and kill innocent non combatants. Since all Iranian combat aircraft have been destroyed (they only had about two dozen of them!), that means that if two military jets encounter each other in the skies over Iran, they don't have to start firing missiles at each other as each assumes the other is an enemy Iranian jet. Also, having everyone speak English is another big plus that can avoid fatal misunderstandings.
DeleteOh joyous day! The Iranian "Assembly of Experts" has chosen Iran's new Supreme Leader! He is Mojtaba Khamenei who is the now deceased Ayatollah Khamenei's second son. He's hiding inside a mountain of solid rock to protect him for the time being. I've been studying photos of him and I think MAYBE he could be less of nut case than his daddy was. He MIGHT even be someone Trump would approve of and be willing to stop the relentless bombing for. Of course, there would be a few conditions like the Iranian regime handing over all of their long range missiles, the 400 kg of 60% enriched uranium they have (enough for 11 nukes!), and all of their centrifuges for enriching uranium up to the 90% needed for a nuke. Will Mojtaba Khamenei do it? Something tells me he might because I'm sure he wants to take that target off his back and continue with some semblance of his dear daddy's regime intact in Iran. Things are getting more interesting by the day over there! Has anyone else noticed the slow but continuous increase in the price of our petrol of late? Maybe the Strait of Hormuz being shut down and taking about 30% of the oil off of the world market had something to do with that? Nah...probably just a coincidence...
DeleteUh oh! Trump does not approve of Mojtaba. You think that Iranian Assembly of Experts would have at least been considerate enough to ask Trump's opinion first before making Mojtaba their new Supreme Leader. Trump says that Mojtaba should enjoy his promotion during the short time he now has left to live!
DeleteTrump demands that the Iranian regime hand over all of their 60% enriched uranium, centrifuges for further enriching it, and their long range ballistic missiles to him. Iran says that will NEVER happen. Trump says he will keep dropping his unlimited supply of bombs on them until they do. They say that will still not force them to comply. Trump says that he's already wiped out most of their government leaders, military bases, radar stations, missile launches, air force, and navy...and, he's JUST BEGINNING! Sounds impressive, but he still has not wiped out their huge army of heavily armed troops that have pledged to die to protect their corrupt jihadist regime. That may be a more difficult goal to attain. If the US gets involved in a protracted ground war in Iran, it may be necessary to start drafting young Americans to go over there to fight. I wonder if Trump's youngest son, "Barron", will be volunteering?
DeleteThe Iranian regime says in another week the price of a barrel of crude oil will be around $200 USD! Get ready for some "sticker shock" the next time you tank up at your local petrol station! Also, that increased fuel cost will start showing up in the prices of all of your groceries because they have to be delivered to stores by trucks that burn diesel fuel and the truckers will just passing their extra costs right on to YOU the shopper!
DeleteJust what we need in these inflationary times...higher prices! But, I think it will be well worth it to put a FINAL end to the Iranian clerics' lust for nukes. Right now they are saying that they were fools for not developing them years earlier because, if they had, they would be immune to US/Israeli attacks right now. You can be sure that they will hunker down for the present and absorb all that the US and Israel can dump on them. Meanwhile, they will be steadily working toward enriching that 465 kg of 60% uranium up to the 90% they need to make those eleven nukes. Once they have them, they will detonate one somewhere in Iran to demonstrate that they are NOW a nuclear power and no other nation better try attacking them IF they do not want to lose a major city or two! That MUST not be allowed to happen. I'm sure that Trump and his generals are well aware of all this. I think right now that Trump thinks that with enough bombing he can "persuade" the Iranian leadership or what's left of it to negotiate and just hand over all of their enriched uranium to him. Lol! That won't be happening. If the US wants that material, it will have to send a LOT of US soldiers in to grab it and it's probably been distributed among several hidden sites. It will be a long and bloody mission and the US will lose many like thousands while the Iranian army loses tens of thousands. I'm wondering how many loses Americans will put up with to secure those materials? Should be interesting to see how all of this develops over the coming weeks and months...
DeleteImo, Trump has got a tiger by the tail. If he quits the bombing before he removes all of the enriched uranium from Iran, no one will believe his blarney about the Iranians "surrendering unconditionally". Otoh, if he keeps bombing and the Iranian people don't rise up to take down the current regime, then he will be under pressure to send in a huge number of American troops and risk a lot of deaths. Maybe he's hoping that if he drops enough bombs, he can so weaken the Iranian military that the people will be able to rise up and take over and, if that happens, they will thank Trump by handing over the uranium to him so he can really announce victory? I see that last outcome as not being impossible, but just highly improbable. The current regime responded to recent street protests about inflation by murdering over 30,000 of their citizens. They would probably gladly murder several times that many to stay in power. Iranian citizens are aware of that and are hesitant to take action again. Only the invasion by a huge number of American troops will do and that will not set well with the American public unless they can achieve victory in record time with only a few hundred dead at most which is unlikely. The Iranian army will be eager to make sure they kill as many as possible. This has the potential to get really ugly really fast.
DeleteActually, "victory" will ultimately be whatever Trump decides it is and that should be obvious to everyone by now. He may never get any of the enriched uranium from the current Iranian regime, but he'll then just tell everyone that the Israelis knew exact where it was all hidden and sent enough missiles into it to completely vaporize it. So, problem solved and we can all now start to get ready to celebrate the glorious 250th anniversary of the US's signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776 this coming July 4th. The original of that document really annoyed King George III over in England. In fact, it got so much on his nerves that he made one last desperate attempt to refight the Revolutionary War again in 1812 which lasted for three years. That new war ended inconclusively with the Treaty of Ghent restoring territorial boundaries to their pre war status. George III died a somewhat bitter man in 1820 because he realized he was the first English monarch to actually lose a bunch of colonies.
DeleteThe threats between Trump and the Iranian regime are starting to fly back and forth like missiles!
DeleteOn Truth Social on March 10, Trump warned Iran not to further disrupt the shipping through the Strait or Hormuz which is the world’s busiest oil and LNG shipping lane.
Trump wrote on Truth Social: “If Iran does anything that stops the flow of Oil within the Strait of Hormuz, they will be hit by the United States of America TWENTY TIMES HARDER than they have been hit thus far. Additionally, we will take out easily destroyable targets that will make it virtually impossible for Iran to ever be built back, as a Nation, again...Death, Fire, and Fury will reign upon them...But I hope, and pray, that it does not happen! This is a gift from the United States of America to China, and all of those Nations that heavily use the Hormuz Strait. Hopefully, it is a gesture that will be greatly appreciated.”
Iran then responded to Trump with a serious assassination threat. As reported by The Mirror, Ali Ardashir Larijani, secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, said, “The Ashura nation of Iran is not afraid of your empty threats. Even those greater than you could not eliminate the Iranian nation. Be careful not to be eliminated!"
This makes me wonder how the then new US President, JD Vance, would respond if the Iranians were actually successful in assassinating Trump? More missiles for them? A taste of Big Nuke? A full scale manned invasion killing Iranian troops by the tens of thousands with cluster bombs?
We live in interesting and very dangerous times.
Here's a small collection of satellite photos showing some of the US bases in the Middle East that have been hit and damaged by Iranian missiles:
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They are very precise hits which show that the Iranians have mastered the use of GPS guidance systems in their missiles. The company that provided these images is called "Planet Labs", but they recently said they will be delaying the release of any future images from the war zone that show damage to US bases for 96 hours. However, all damage done to Iranian sites will be shown as soon as it is acquired. Planet Labs operates a fleet of several hundred Earth-imaging satellites designed to record views of every landmass on Earth at least once per day. Its customers include think tanks, NGOs, academic institutions, news media, and commercial users in the agriculture, forestry, and energy industries, among others.
The latest news is that Iran has placed DOZENS of mines into the waters of the Strait of Hormuz to prevent tankers from using it and they are prepared to place hundreds more there. However, they left a gap in the mines so that only IRANIAN tankers can pass through it safely and, as a result, they are now exporting more of their own oil than ever! Something has to be done about that.
DeleteAlso, a new bit of information. Remember how Trump bragged he completely destroyed the Iranian navy? Not really. They still have THOUSANDS of speed boats that they can pack with explosives and try to make zigzagging suicidal attacks into the hulls of any US military ships in the strait. There's even talk about them using smaller one man jet skis to carry and ram mines right into the hulls of the US ships in an effort to sink them. The driver of such a jet ski would jump off a few hundred feet before the impact and hope to survive that way. Right now sinking a US naval vessel is one of the top priorities for the Iranian regime and they are prepared to lose hundreds of speed boats and personnel to achieve that goal.
There is an upcoming pole shift, that will wipe out most of civilisation, it could happen at any time, it will caused by planet X, its true , I read it on the internet.
ReplyDeleteWell, if you read it on the internet then it HAS to be true! Actually, I think it's kind of cool. Instead of the Sun rising in the east all of the time, we can then watch it come up in the west for a change! We can also finally get to all of those stars at night that are not visible in the northern hemisphere, but currently are only visible in the southern one.
DeleteGreat! Something new to lose sleep over. Now that the pandemic and climate change scares are losing their zing...it's time for something new! All that remains to be done is for the money hungry capitalists to figure out some way to rake in the profits off of this new scare. Let's see...how about a new global tax on everyone so the UN can fund Elon Musk to build the biggest rocket ever, fill it with the biggest hydrogen bomb ever, and then fire it at planet X while it's still far off. The resulting super explosion will either blow it into pieces or deflect it so it flies off into space and away from Earth. With that second event happening, maybe in millions of years from now, it will pose a threat to some inhabited planet in another star system and their money hungry alien capitalists can then proceed to rake in the profits by sending it on its way to yet another star system?
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DeleteThe mechanisms are scissors, that is why it doesn’t work. The concept of mechanical leverage can’t work.
ReplyDeletedon't tell John that because he doesn't want to hear it or most likely he's really deaf to it. maybe when his frustration level finally gets high enough he will. but that's not now. maybe another sim or two will work on him.
DeleteThere's an old saying that goes like "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". I don't expect to see any major change in JC's approach to Bessler's wheels. He'll still be pushing the five levers and throwing in cords here and there hoping to get some combination of them to finally keep a wheel's cog on the descending side during rotation. He'll keep that up maybe for another six months or so and then lacking getting any results I think he'll just quietly give up on it all. What other possible way could it end for him? Hopefully, he will still stay in the field and keep this blog up and running. Without it public interest in the subject could quickly drop to near zero overnight.
DeletePoor John...his "bright shiny object" has finally lost its shine after those failed TSM sims a few blogs ago. But, in a way the failure of BWA 1.0 is really a good thing for him. The pressure to reveal all "whether it works or not" is finally gone for him. He can now relax and putter around at his own pace if he putters around at all. He's unofficially retired now. And, who knows, maybe by some miracle he will come up with a BWA 2.0 that actually works someday. Stranger things have happened in our world.
DeleteIIRC years ago on bwf JC got annoyed at some who were mocking him for something he said and he retaliated by accusing them of being "armchair philosophers" who weren't really building anything like he was and didn't know what they were talking about. He then went off in a huff and didn't come back for several weeks. Now it looks like his tush is heading toward his own philosopher's armchair and getting ready to make a landing on it!
DeleteScience from all over the visible world has been trying to effectively measure something supposedly all around us that has eluded detection for decades. This is the sought-after dark matter—a substance that, according to physicists, constitutes most of the mass of the Universe, but which DOES NOT EMIT or reflect light, remaining completely invisible to us.
DeleteAnd rightly so, what they are looking for does not exist, because what they are looking for is the background light, which they know is more than the universe can emit. And this LIGHT is GOD, the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE, regardless of one's faith in ONE GOD.
"You were within me, and I was without. And there I looked for you," the Pope quotes.
This is the truth flowing from the SPACE of the Universe, confirmed by science.
I did not say that ADVANTAGE does not exist.
What the Pope quoted is NOT from the Bible. It comes from Augustine of Hippo, in his autobiographical work Confessions, Book X, Chapter 27. This passage reflects Augustine’s realization that God was always present within him, but he had been searching outwardly instead. I don't see any connection between this quote and the hypothetical "dark matter".
DeleteAs usual, people think according to long-established patterns and nothing beyond what is already known, because someone might say, "I don't see any connection." Science always MUST encompass all possibilities and the entire body of knowledge and reach much further. Often, it doesn't understand what it discovers, and then finds an application for the "impossible" and is amazed at how everything fits together. This applies to phenomena discovered outside the universe, as well as deep within MATTER, which is known by perfect similarity in discovery.
DeleteThere are no phenomena that can be "discovered outside of the universe". All phenomena can only exist within the universe. There is no "outside of the universe" because there can be nothing outside of infinite space. I think you need to learn some REAL science and stop spouting word salad philosophy here that does nothing to further our understanding of Bessler's wheels. Have you ever tried to build a pm device?
DeleteA translation error, of course, within the universe.
DeleteI can mumble this:
How is building a pressure measuring device supposed to help?
Is this supposed to help us learn REAL science?
Is this supposed to deepen our knowledge of Bessler wheels?
Rather, use the pressure of a weight that can only PUSH.
Mumbling is highly contagious.
"Pressure measuring device"? What the h*ll are you mumbling about? Are you being treated for dementia? If so, it does not seem to be effective. Maybe time for different meds?
DeleteWhere's JC? He hasn't stuck his nose in here since 2/27. We're up to 100 comments so far...is he still alive? We need proof of life!
ReplyDeleteMaybe he had a fatal stroke while trying to get his BWA 2.0 wheel to work? We really do not know what his health status is. If so, then expect this blog's comment section to eventually soar into the hundreds and then thousands comments!
DeleteIt's not impossible. When you are over 80 you can drop dead at any time regardless of what your numbers looked like on your last physical. IIRC there were several members on bwf that suddenly disappeared and then we found out later they expired.
DeleteMaybe he's avoiding this blog because he's depressed over the failure of his Bessler work around wheel? I mean, after years of chasing it he's basically back to square one with it again. That's enough to depress anyone. Maybe he just needs to take a vacation from this place for a while to recover?
DeleteNo, I’m alive and kicking guys! I’ve been busy with the normal everyday chores, particularly at this time of the year. I’ve been replacing roofing felt on my garden office and cut down two trees, with a handsaw! And jetspraing the drive.
DeleteI’m also putting together my next blog, showing how and where I believe I found evidence of Bessler’s design, hidden in plain sight. Sorry for the delay, I may be old but I’m still here, just give me a little bit more time!
JC
Glad to see that you are still among the living because I too was starting to wonder! I'm also looking forward to any new clues you can reveal. New clues are actually the "coin of the realm" around here and the more we have, the richer we are...and some day they may finally lead us to that really big treasure chest Bessler hid away for us! Also, one word of advice for you...stay off of ladders!
DeleteFollowing the "Great Disappointment" of the BWA 1.0 wheel failure, I think we will be seeing less and less of JC on these blogs in the future which will also become less and less frequent. We used to get a new blog every weekend like clockwork. Soon it could be a new one every month or more. Day by day he's creeping closer to that philosopher's armchair. Instead of being "alive and kicking", he will eventually be alive and sitting it out on that armchair while hoping to see a solution to the Bessler wheel mystery finally appear before the Grim Reaper pays him that final visit. Let's hope he sees it before that happens. Let our generation be the one that sees it solved, not just with sims, but with working replicas! According to my figuring, about 15 previous generations had that same hope in the last three centuries. Will our generation break that disappointing pattern? Time will tell...
DeleteBwa - ha - ha - ha! Yes, BWA 1.0 was sadly just another dead duck for our ever growing pile of them and you could say it was the "Greatest Disappointment" by the "Great Disappointer", but, at least, he finally revealed it. What else could it have been? But, life goes on whether we find success or not. If JC is incredibly lucky, then BWA 2.0 might be the runner he seeks. I wouldn't bet on it though. Many have spent their entire lives putting a lot more effort into finding Bessler's secret than JC did and still came up with nothing that worked in the end.
DeleteHow could that even be possible? Had to be a hoax, right? Not necessarily. His invention was, imo, 100% genuine, but used a very simple approach that worked. Most Bessler pm wheel chasers are looking for large horizontal displacements of the cog of their wheels' weights to maximize torque. They further want to use weights in the pounds or even tens of pounds. I think that approach is what automatically dooms them to inevitable failure. Recall that Bessler wrote that his first post dream prototype pm wheel could BARELY keep itself in continuous motion? That means LOW torque and any design doing that has to be very precisely constructed. Forget all of his bragging about an ounce here or there makes no difference. That might be valid for a 12 foot diameter wheel. In YOUR first prototype wheel you shouldn't be using any weights in excess of only a FEW ounces. Your wheel must be a delicate little toy in which the levers weigh a lot LESS than the weights they hold. You want to make your wheel out of metal? NO! With weights in the ounces, you don't need metal levers. Use THIN strips of wood for the levers and the drum pieces.
Remember when you were a kid and made those little balsa wood airplanes that used a propeller powered by a wound up rubber band for propulsion? They were so much fun to play with. Remember how you had to carefully GLUE the little pieces of balsa wood together with white crafting glue to make a plane's fuselage and wings? That is how you should be thinking of making the levers and drum for your Bessler prototype wheel replica. It has to be a VERY delicate construction and, whatever you do, don't make a drum that is more than about 36 inches in diameter. Also, I would not recommend anything less than 18 inches. Once you get that little toy wheel running and ONLY THEN should you even consider making anything bigger and heavier.
What a croc . Once released B's one-way Gera public wheel took off like lightening ( Blitz ) with lots of torque but not much power to lift loads and do work . That was later improved .
Delete@anon 00:08. but B's public Gera wheel was not his prototype wheel. you are another one getting them confused. his 4.5 ft public Gera wheel probably used weights around 1 lb each and it would have had a lot more torque then his toy prototype wheel. but B never would have built his larger public Gera wheel if he had not first gotten his toy 3 ft prototype to run. i agree with anon 23:19 that starting small is better than starting big. many B wheel chasers are letting their egos design their wheels instead of using their common sense and doing it the way B did it.
Deletethere are no known or recorded facts about his prototype experiment. not it's form or size, or whether it was a wheel. all he said was that it revolved a little. he said the Gera wheel was his first PM wheel.
Deletefrom AP:
Delete"So it was that at the house of the Richters (On the hill called
Nickelsberg) in the year 1712 I achieved the discovery of the
wondrous device that has amazed the world so much. My industry
was spared the curses which accompanied the earlier efforts. The
machine stood 3 feet (schuch) high, and was mounted in such a
fashion that anyone could walk all around it. On unfastening a bolt,
the wheel immediately began to revolve. Whoever wished to push
it or touch it at any point was free to do so. People could see there
was no trickery involved, so I didn't suffer in any way!"
Someone said this should have been better translated as "The machine was 3 feet in diameter..." But, whatever, it is definitely NOT what he showed off publicly on June 6th of 1712.
I agree that the publicly exhibited Gera wheel had to be larger in diameter than just three feet. If it was just three feet and he took it outdoors, then most people in a crowd would not be able to see it. He needed to have a larger diameter wheel if what he showed off on 6/6/1712 was actually done outdoors. I think it would have had to have been on some sort of mobile platform like a cart or something. That would have raised it up a few feet allowing people at the back of crowd to see it to. A three foot diameter wheel is basically meant for display on a table top and would always be kept indoors to protect it from the weather not to mention someone grabbing it and taking off with it! Wasn't there a newspaper announcement about the Merseburg wheel being publicly exhibited at some sort of fair? But, IIRC, it said that the exhibition had to be cancelled because Bessler was sick or injured or something.
DeleteHere's a nice drawing someone made showing how he thinks that the larger Gera wheel looked when it was exhibited outdoors:
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It looks like a collage he made using different images off the web. The clothes the crowd wear look more like from the 19th than 18th century. What is that guy in the foreground doing with that scissor thing he's extended?
Ask a guy with dementia, "What is that guy in the foreground doing with those stretched scissors?"
DeleteOn 19th February in my last post I corrected someone’s comment about the Gera wheel thus-
Delete“ The original German test in “Gründlicher Bericht”, reads in German,
“ Anno 1712, ben seiner damahligen sejour zu Gera in Voigt-Lande auf des recht praepondium geffen, und erste Modell Seiner Perpetual se Mobile so drittahalb Leipziger Ellen in Diametro und 4 zolle in der Dicte gehabt, am 6 Junii tenJahres zum ersten mahle”.
Which translates to, “ In the year 1712, during his then stay in Gera in Vogtland, he presented the first model of his Perpetual Mobile, which was three and a half Leipzig ells in diameter and 4 inches thick, on June 6th of that year.
A Leipzig Ell measured 22 inches; 3.5 x 22 = 77 inches or 6 and a half feet.
JC
I hav the late stage dimentia. Mabye I can help? The guy with the stretched scisors is Bessler and he's using the scisors to explane to every one how his pm whel works. There are eight scisors in side of it and they have two led weigths on outside ends of each scisor. At the bottom of the whel the led weigths come to gether and lift a weigth up to the axl. At the top of the whel the two led weigths fall a part and lift the weigth away from the axl. It is total simple to understand, but you need to be a low IQ carpenter's boy to do that. Are you a low IQ carpenter's boy? Yes? Good...here it is for you:
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OMG! JOHN! That dementia case just handed you the solution to your Bessler Workaround 2.0 on a silver platter! All you have to do is use his scissor mechs and put five of them inside your pentagonal wheel. It couldn't be easier. This lets you "snatch victory from the jaws of defeat" at the last second! I'm so happy for you that I feel the need to celebrate. I have a bottle hidden away from the missus for wonderful occasions like this. Now where did I put it? I think I know where...time to celebrate! 🥳🍾😄
DeleteDon't be an ordinary drunkard, first build a working wheel and only then celebrate with a bottle hidden from your wife.
DeleteWhat JC neglected to mention when reposting his last "correction" about the second Gera wheel drum's diameter in the last blog being 6.5 feet or about 78 inches is that an anon there then dismissed that figure as actually being the height of the wooden frame that contained the wheel which itself had a much smaller diameter. Apparently whoever wrote that for GB mistook the figure for the wheel's frame for its diameter. If we assume that the wheel diameter was actually 4.5 feet or 54 inches and Bessler allowed a clearance of 1 foot or 12 inches between the bottom of the drum and the ground and the top of the drum and the top of the wooden frame holding the wheel, then that adds up to 4.5 + 1 + 1 = 6.5 feet which is what was mistakenly thought to be the wheel's drum diameter. If one assumes that the drum itself was 6.5 in diameter and allows a 1 foot clearance below and above it, then the top of the supporting frame would have been 8.5 feet off of the ground. That would have resulted in a wheel and frame that would have been more difficult to move around.
DeleteRotflmao! Thank goodness someone with a severe neurodegenerative disorder showed up here just in a nick of time to help John with the improved version of his failed Bessler work around wheel as the drunks here look on with approval and celebrate! Who says miracles can't happen?! Lol! 🤣😂
DeleteUnlike you anon 20:03 I;m not laughing at that dementia wheel. To me it looks like it could be a runner! I'm even thinking of building it. But I'll just make two opposite scissor mechanisms and see how they do at keeping the CoG of their six weights on the down going side of the wheel. If that happens, I'll go to four scissors and then to the full eight. Also anon 08:39, since no one else here was considerate enough to thank you for sharing your nice wheel design with us let me do so now...thanks!. Don't let mocking by any drunks here bother you. Most of them haven't had a new idea for a pm wheel in years which is probably why they turned into drunks!
DeleteWell, create a circle that works. Prove that He won't laugh at you or mock you for your gratitude. Good luck to the enlightened
DeleteI like dementia guy's wheel and it looks workable at first glance. But, then I realized that if B's design was actually that simple it would have been rediscovered a long time ago. Like anon 21:12 I also thank him for taking his time to make the drawing and give us a link to it. We need to see more designs like this on this blog. I quit bwf months ago when I finally realized I was not going to learn anything there that could aid me in my search for a solution to B's wheels. Imo, right now this is the only blog on the web where that might be possible.
DeleteOkay, I get it, you seem honest. Keep it up, but if necessary, I'll tear out the truth and straighten things out.
DeleteNon, ce n'est pas la carter qui frotte.
ReplyDeleteC'est très contre intuitif et je ne pense pas que les gens qui ont le bagage académique classique actuel puissent trouver. Je pense que c'est totalement hors de leur portée donc n'ayez pas de regret.
La force de Bessler était justement de ne pas avoir le bagage académique actuel, l'autre possibilité est de l'avoir dépassé mais comme on ne vous informera pas pour que certains ne tombent pas de leur piédestal, seul celui qui l'aura dépassé pourra la faire fonctionner.
No, it's not the casing that's rubbing.
DeleteIt's very counterintuitive, and I don't think people with today's conventional academic background will be able to figure it out. I think it's completely beyond their grasp, so don't worry.
Bessler's strength was precisely that he didn't have today's academic background; the other possibility is that he's surpassed it, but since we won't tell you so that some don't fall from their pedestal, only those who have surpassed it will be able to make it work.
"No, it's not the casing that's rubbing."
DeleteNotice that CN is implying that HE knows what was actually rubbing inside of the second Gera wheel. Also notice that he is not telling us.
My prediction is that he will be the French version of another character that used to lurk around this blog years ago who was named, IIRC, Steven Glorioso. He also would drop in and hint about how he had Bessler's wheels all figured out, but would only share the secret with someone after he agreed to engage in regular phone calls with him so SG could decide if he was "worthy" to learn the big secret. IIRC, he tried to rope JC into such a relationship but the latter quite wisely refused the invitation. So, maybe CN will become our new French SG? Should be interesting if tries to. Just when JC's "bright shiny object" has lost its shine, along comes someone else with brand new bright shiny object with which to mesmerize us all!
GB says Gera DIAMETER 6 & 1/2 feet (literal translation) - GB was not written by Bessler. DT says the Gera wheel was 4 & 1/2 feet diameter. Wagner says in his critiques the Gera wheel was 4 & 1/2 feet diameter. NO wheel was EVER displayed outdoors in open air. At one stage there was a side wager offered to B. with one requirement that it be exhibited in the open air outside of a room. This outdoors requirement was later rescinded & the Merseburg translocation tests were conducted ( from floor to ceiling supports to supports ).
DeleteThe point is that the Gera wheel evidence appears to have it about 4 & 1/2 feet diameter. When released it quickly accelerated like lightening, as he says in his AP prose descriptive. Suggesting lots of available torque to produce a robust acceleration, but not much power to do work. His later wheels had larger diameters, still had a robust torque for quick acceleration, and could do much more lifting work etc.
So the common thread is that all the one-way wheels, regardless of diameter ( within reason ), had a robust torque acceleration upon release. It appears torque availability was not heavily correlated to wheel diameter ( any practical size produced it in abundance ), but power output was highly correlated to diameter. His later two-way wheels also has abundant torque to accelerate very quickly once given a force imbalance from a hand push in either direction.
* Bessler's PM wheel mechanics produced immediate & robust torque imbalance for quick acceleration up to designed rpm limit.
and ours had better too, to claim we have found B's secret mechanics and pm principle
DeleteI agree that the starting torque of any of Bessler's wheels was probably the greatest. But it would have dropped off steadily as a wheel's speed increased. I'm not convinced, however, that those startup torques were high enough to produce a "robust acceleration" especially in one of his 12 foot diameter wheels that could have weighed hundreds up to maybe a thousand pounds or more. I think it more likely that all of his wheels needed several minutes of continuous acceleration before they reached their final speeds.
DeleteThere are one or two translated quotes that suggest otherwise, but they could have been misinterpreted or even mistranslated by the translator. It would have been nice if any one of the examiners of one of Bessler's wheels had actually timed in seconds how long it took, from a standstill, for it to reach its final speed. But, that was probably not done because of the problem of quickly measuring wheel speed second by second as the wheel accelerated.
coulda woulda shoulda . a time to reach max rpm wasn't recorded BY ANYONE (not even the official certificates) because it was of no consequence - it was a no-thing. it was obvious that each and every time they followed the same pattern of up to speed in 1 to 2 turns. so calculate how long it takes a 12 foot diameter wheel (MOI circumference radius = Pi x diameter at MOI radius) of different masses & MOI to reach 50, 40, 26, or 20 rpm? build a sensitivity table. very easy to simulate to give a fairly accurate length of time and sensitivities. seconds maybe stretching past a minute or two at most. that exercise must assume a constant acceleration rate so some allowance can be made for a diminishing acceleration torque if you believe that was a credible input variable. have you checked the various translated documents and letters that give the the estimate of numbers of turns up to rpm to dispute the translations JC has? online translators and chatbots can do it for you once you have the resource material from JC's books etc. then we would have better information and confidence in the translator and translation accuracy to discuss.
Deletecummmon now . that would take effort and would end my fun narrative
Deleteooh i luv a matrix kenu reeves was awesome in it
DeleteJoining dots. Instant torque and acceleration of note , from any starting position , probably linearly reducing towards maximum RPM , reached in 1 or 2 turns. Power scaling to diameter. B. says he can also organize the power and size relationship as he likes (energy density). A spring " powered/facilitated " and OOB weights wheel where increasing the wheel diameter allows for a proportional increase in the size and strength of the springs and ultimately work outputs , with the springs input preserving onset torque and acceleration performance.
DeleteA LOT of nonsense here, imo. You want me to believe that the Kassal wheel, which probably weighed over 1,000 pounds, was able to accelerate from a standstill to having completed two full rotations in only 4.61 SECONDS?! That would probably be impossible even if it was being driven by an automobile engine which it most certainly was not. I agree with anon 22:19 that Bessler's wheels required MINUTES and not seconds to reach their maximum speeds and only if they were running freely with their axles not connected to any outside machines they had to power.
DeleteMaybe their acceleration times were not mentioned in any official certificates because those writing up those certificates knew such a detail of slow acceleration time might turn off a potential buyer of Bessler's grossly overpriced invention and they wanted to help Bessler make a sale by leaving that detail out? Or, maybe they didn't mention them because they did not have the technical ability to accurately measure them and if they admitted that, it might make it seem like other details in their certificates could also be suspected of not being accurate.
Imo, IF Bessler's wheels could actually have accelerated as rapidly as some here believe, then he wouldn't have had so much trouble selling one because the potential buyers would have realized that they were much more powerful than conventional water and windmills. But, they were not as their engineers who inspected and tested them were able to determine and report back to those potential buyers. Bessler had a novel invention and there is not doubt about that. But, whether or not it was a practical invention as far as a businessman was concerned is a different matter. Obvious, those many businessmen who expressed some interest in them eventually all concluded they were not practical for their needs.
Woosh ~ right over anon 02:58's head. He is calculating for the Kassel bi-directional wheel. Using kids math for 26 rpm equals 2.3 seconds average time in seconds per revolution AT a constant 26 rpm lol. Then 2 revolutions gives 4.6 seconds to go from zero to 26 rpm in his world. iow's just multiply the average time for one revolution @ 26 rpm and times it by 2. That is clearly suspect. Multiple credible sources said the Merseburg and Kassel wheels reached top end rpm in 1 to 2 turns. What he doesn't seem to understand is how to calculate the time taken to say reach 26 rpm in just 2 turns. The acceleration required becomes a force and this becomes work done on the wheel. If we assume the acceleration is best case a constant one and not diminishing then how much force is required to get your wheel to accelerate up to 26 rpm in just 2 turns. 2 turns is the critical limiting factor, along with mass MOI to calculate the time taken to reach 26 rpm in 2 turns. Work is done ( f x d ) on the wheel to give it the mass related RKE in 2 turns. The wheels were not powerful putting about 100 watts, way less than conventional water wheels and wind mills.
DeleteWhat's counterintuitive about this?
DeleteAfter all, this is purely an intuitive approach to the problem; don't approach it without it. You must create, and create, go ahead!!!
Enough. Have 300 years of death taken their toll?
In the passage I quoted about the size of the Gera wheel, the author uses the words “Leipzig El” but in the Apologia Poetica Bessler’s uses the word “schuch” which means feet, so either there were two wheels, which I doubt, or we assume Bessler’s words were correct. There is a nagging doubt about this conclusion.
DeleteIn Das Triumphirende (DT) Bessler writes.
“ When, with God’s guidance, in the year 1712, at Gera in the Voigtland, contrary to all expectation, the Orffyreus Perpetual Motion finally revealed itself, it is easy to imagine what astonishment it caused to everyone for everyone was desirous to see the actual reality for himself! What they were able to see was a 5-foot diameter wheel, mounted in a light framework which could be easily moved back and forth…..
In DT in the same passage in the original text he wrote the following words in both Fraktur font and Roman font in Latin. The Gera wheel measured Five feet in diameter.
JC
Take care, John, and may your health remain strong.
DeleteIn my opinion, Bessler's term "Leipzig El" refers to the diameter of the wheel disc, and the word "schuch" refers to the mechanism inside it. He used them for a specific purpose, but only the context of the description can clarify which one they refer to.
Maybe when Bessler was writing AP and DT he forgot that the drum of the second Gera wheel was exactly 4.5 feet in diameter? It could happen. He had already destroyed the wheel years earlier and was writing away and depending upon his memory of its size. He already had made two other wheels since that second Gera wheel's destruction. He probably only vaguely recalled it was about 5 feet so that is the figure he used. In an effort to raise Bessler to the status of a super genius, one can give him near super human qualities including a perfect memory. Once you down grade him to having just an average human memory, the idea that he forgot the exact size of the second Gera wheel becomes more believable.
DeleteLike others here, I think one can waste too much time debating this issue which could be more productively used trying to figure out what the mechanics inside of the drums of his wheels looked like (kudos to that dementia guy for showing us something new here even though I assume it was intended as a joke). That is where our focus should be, imo. Meanwhile, where is that next blog that JC is "putting together"? This blog's comment section is already starting to approach an old record count which was over 200 counts!
@anon 14:21
DeleteI like that...the "Forgetful Bessler Theory"! Yes, it can explain a lot. I do agree with you that whether the Gera wheel was 4, 4.5, 5, or 6 feet in diameter is totally irrelevant and won't take us an inch closer to solving this mystery. We need fresh ideas not endless debates over every word in Bessler's writings or letters about the wheels by others. Such debates are for those who are clueless as to how his wheels may actually have worked.
Fawk B could have been crocked while he scribbled out the text for AP and DT. I trust very little in them about his wheels. His main purpose was to advertise his invention hoping to make a quick sale while revealing next to zero about how it actually worked. He did a good job of that. All he really reveals is that it was an overbalanced wheel of some kind, but a unique one. Unfortunately, there are probably a billion possible overbalanced wheel designs and that dimentia wheel one above is an excellent example. What are your chances of finding Bessler's one in a billion possible designs? One in a billion! You got more chance of winning a major national lottery with one ticket than you have of finding Bessler's design with whatever contraption you are currently working on. Don't believe me? You will if you keep it up for say another decade with no results.
DeleteAnon 07:33 .. FWIW .. if we assume a constant rate of acceleration for the Kassel wheel we don't need any information or math on its mass, or its MOI, or the magnitude of Newtons force accelerating it . It is very simple . We can do some back of the beer coaster calculations to give the time to reach 2 revolutions from a standing start and get to 26 RPM .
DeleteConstant 26 RPM = 2.3 seconds per revolution . therefore 720 degrees rotation ( 2 turns ) takes 4.6 seconds at a constant 26 RPM . Time taken to reach 26 RPM from a standing start and with a constant accelerating force is 2 x 4.6 seconds = approximately 9.2 seconds ..
This is the same for ANY wheel mass , any average MOI placement .. the amount of net accelerating force ( wheel mass dependent ) determines that the wheel will reach 26 RPM in exactly 2 revolutions . The time taken is the same regardless of the wheel mass .
It would be 9.2 seconds from a standing start . add an extra second for the small hand push start and you are looking at ~ 10 seconds . If the accelerating force was diminishing as RPM grew then perhaps double the time to 2 RPM to 20 seconds as a rough guide .
The witnesses described the wheels acceleration as quick and strong ( paraphrased ) , so 10 seconds time taken to reach 26 RPM seems in the ball park to not bother recording the time taken .
I may do a simulation of a constant acceleration wheel later today to confirm or deny my back of a beer coaster calcs ..
Anon 19:16 :
Delete“Time taken to reach 26 RPM from a standing start and with a constant accelerating force is 2 x 4.6 seconds = approximately 9.2 seconds”
What equation is that? I am not familiar with it.
"...determines that the wheel will reach 26 RPM in exactly 2 revolutions ..."
DeleteAssuming that the translation of the Merseburg wheel reaching full speed in only two revolutions is accurate, we still do not know how long it took to complete those two revolutions. Was it 2.3, 4.6, or 20 seconds? There is no way to know for sure. Maybe it was 5 minutes?! Unless one knows exactly how the torque of the wheel varied with speed as it rotated through 2 turns and the moment of inertia of the wheel, all calculations are just pure guess work. Oh, some witness said this or that about the speed of the wheel. That's nice. Those types of descriptions are just subjective and mean little in the science of mechanics. What one witness thinks is quick could be quite different from how a different witness would describe the speed. Maybe one witness was standing near the rim of the wheel as it was given a push start and picked up speed and he thought it seemed to moving pretty fast after only two turns. But, another witness standing in line with the axle and ten feet away was not that impressed with the speed after two full rotations. Do we have ALL of the witnesses descriptions of the speed? No. We only have a few. My recommendation is to stop making guesses about wheel speed and start making guesses about the internal mechanisms Bessler used. Only they will solve the mystery.
Btw. I like the "Forgetful / Drunken Bessler Theory" explanation some anon's gave. It's probably very close to the truth. I'm wondering how many at Bessler's official wheel examinations might also have been tipsy at the time after they got done toasting each others health prior to the examination? Can we trust what a drunk thinks of a wheel's speed? I wouldn't. Being drunk can make objects seem like they’re moving faster. This happens because alcohol affects several parts of the brain and nervous system that control perception and reaction. Alcohol depresses the central nervous system. Your brain processes visual information more slowly, so moving objects can appear to be moving more quickly. Alcohol interferes with how your brain judges distance and speed. This can make something approaching you, like the rim of a large moving wheel, seem to be moving faster than it really is.
Anon 02:32 "joining dots" .. I see what you did there ;7) - a HYBRID wheel of weights set to OOB by springs restoring the weights PE for reset - instant torque from any position for the one-ways - quick to accelerate but power dependent on spring restoration strength - effectively a self-winding mechanism with no external or stored energy input again once it is preset for the very first time use.
DeleteAs we know one of the major criticisms was that the earlier wheels could have been clock-work - that is why Wagner built a spring powered clock-work wheel - B. countered the argument of needing intermittent rewinding with the Merseburg wheel able to revolve in either direction - the " wound-up clock-work " criticism continued so he then built the Kassel two-way wheel for the 54 days duration test in answer to that.
After all , Wolff did say this about the Merseburg wheel tests .. " When he put the wheel onto another support and reinstalled the weights in their previous positions, he pushed down on an iron spring that gave a loud noise as it expanded upwards. " - a loud noise ! - and he was in no doubt it was an iron spring sound ! - that suggests to me a purposeful and strong action perpetrated against the internal spring ( not a casual slip ) , and an equally dynamic sound resulting from that action. -f
"...that suggests to me a purposeful and strong action perpetrated against the internal spring..."
DeleteIt almost sounds like you are agreeing with Wagner that Bessler's wheels were actually spring powered fakes! Maybe as Bessler was reinstalling the weights after the Merseburg wheel translocation, he was, one by one, secretly compressing springs inside the drum whose stored energy, provided by Bessler, was somehow used to move the weights outward a little bit on the wheel's descending side to maintain an imbalance during wheel rotation? Maybe that hand winding, actually hand compressing, was enough to keep the big wheel running for an hour or so and longer than the witnesses were comfortable hanging around? Maybe a half hour after they took off, the wheel just slowed to a stop again? Maybe the word "maybe" is now my new word for the week?! 😲
@ Anon 22:32 .. " It almost sounds like you are agreeing with Wagner that Bessler's wheels were actually spring powered fakes! "
DeleteRead again what I said about a self-winding HYBRID wheel mechanism - I agree with Wagner that they were spring and OOB weight powered wheels ! - imo the spring mech(s) were self-winding , therefore they were not " fakes " needing to be stopped periodically and the internal springs rewound ( i.e. manually given PE ) like Wagner's clock-work wheel that couldn't rotate as fast etc as B's. Merseburg wheel could. The opposite of a " FAKE " ! -f
" Anonymous8 March 2026 at 21:40 said
DeleteAnon 19:16 : “Time taken to reach 26 RPM from a standing start and with a constant accelerating force is 2 x 4.6 seconds = approximately 9.2 seconds”
What equation is that? I am not familiar with it. "
Average velocity
-f wrote "...imo the spring mech(s) were self-winding..."
Delete"Self-winding"?! I've never heard of a spring that was "self-winding"! I can only think of one possible way that could be done. Maybe Bessler was using the same principle used in automatic or self-winding wrist watches? There would be a small sector weight attached to the centers of eight spiral springs and, as the drum rotated, those little sector weights, being bottom heavy, would also rotate around and wind up the spiral springs. As those spiral springs then continuously unwound, their outer ends would somehow push the wheel's main driving weights a little farther out from the axle on a wheel's descending side to keep the wheel out of balance.
Still, it sounds like it would be a zero sum game. Winding up a wheel's eight spiral springs would require rotational energy be taken from the wheel. But then the imbalance created by the main driving weights would only restore that same amount of energy right back to the wheel again and probably with less than 100% efficiency. No, now that I think about it, any design like this could not work. Assuming Bessler wasn't hoaxing his wheels and they did use "self-winding" springs, those springs would have to release more energy as they unwound then was used to wind them up. That means they had to be violating the first law of thermodynamics! They would have to be getting energy out of...???
@ Anon 00:02 .. re. self-winding springs - we all know about the wrist activated self-winding Swiss Watches of yesteryear - I had one 50 years ago and it never once stopped or kept poor time ( had it until it was stolen 10 years ago ) - they used erratic arm and hand movements to give the spring-winder weight momentum ( energy ) to compress the internal spring .. it's up to you to find out B. did it ! .. hint - he didn't wear a wheel on his wrist ! .. red herring alert ! - but they were connected from floor to ceiling thru the support posts, just sayin .. there must be another mechanical method ( that a watch maker might think of ) that harvests greater ambient power to compress a powerful spring and then delivers back slightly less acceleration and power as work , imo !
Delete* While we all think on that - how's your pure leverage unbalanced wheels going ? - got one to get past the keeling position and keep going yet ? don't be shy if you have ;7) .. -f
Whipped up a sim demonstration - constant force ( torque ) applied to each disk with weights - from left to right total mass comparisons are 400 kgs , 200 kgs , 100 kgs - the requirement is to reach 26 RPM in exactly 2 turns ( 720 degrees of rotation ) - as can be seen by the inputs shown the accelerating force applied for each sequentially approximately halves i.e. it is obviously proportional to total mass of the wheel , to reach 26 RPM in only 2 turns - any less force and it would take more than 2 turns , any more force and it would take less than 2 turns ( self evident ) - this is a constant accelerating force applied and not a diminishing one as some suspect could be the case in which case lengthen the time a little ( suggests a greater starting out force diminishing as RPM increases ) - however the comparisons exercise provides some data and perspective - in each case it takes exactly 9.24 seconds to reach 26 RPM in just 2 turns , as my earlier back of a beer coaster calcs suggested was in the ball park ..
DeleteSome think the mass for the Merseburg and Kassel wheels could be as much as 1,000 lbs ( 453 kgs ) - I just used 400 kg , 200 kgs , 100 kgs as trend indicative , and to keep it simple to understand - n.b. the wheels are 3.6 meters diameter with the wights set at a radius of 2.6 meters - fwiw it doesn't matter what the average radius or MOI is , the force required will alter slightly is all - the big takeaway imo is HOW MUCH CONSTANT FORCE is required to get all those wheels to 26 RPM in just 2 turns regardless of their mass estimates - simply to say a large amount of torque that I think only a gravity enabled hybrid spring-OOB weights system could deliver , imo ! ..
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Let's see now. Your orange sim wheel with a mass 400 kg and eight 50 kg weights, which I assume you think was similar to the Kassal wheel, has to have a torque of 307 N x 2.6 m = 798.2 N-m to be moving at 26 rpm after 2 turns which needed a total of only 9.24 seconds to complete. That is a LOT of torque! 798.2 Newton-meters equals 588.7 foot-pounds. A midsize automobile's engine can produce from 100 to 400 foot-pounds of torque. So, your sims indicate that the Kassal wheel had about 50% more torque than would have been produced by the most powerful engine used in a midsize automobile? I have a one word reaction to that...IMPOSSIBLE! This convinces me more than anything else I've read so far here that Bessler's wheels needed minutes, not seconds to reach their maximum speeds.
DeleteEven if the Kassal wheel had a torque of about 800 N-m, it still would not have been able to compete with a typical Dutch style windmill. Those had average torques in the 5,000 to 30,000 N-m range. With a high sustained wind, they could even reach up to 40,000 N-m.
DeleteOf course, to get around this obvious deficiency, Bessler would just tell a potential buyer that he could put more of them on the same axle, double their diameters, and use weights with double the mass. Using the example above, if one made a Kassal type wheel that was 24 feet in diameter, and doubled the mass of its eight weights to 100 kg, and put four of them on the same axle, he could get the torque up to about 800 N-m x 4 x 2 x 2 = 12,800 N-m. At this level of torque, a Bessler wheel powered mill could begin to compete with conventional windmills. But, the construction cost of such a pm mill would have been very expensive...and that extra expensive would have to have been paid AFTER a potential buyer had first paid Bessler the 100,000 thalers he wanted for his invention! Also, such a Bessler mill would have been a huge construction. Maybe double or triple the size of a standard Dutch windmill.
My research shows that the Kassal wheel only had a torque of about 200 N-m at most. If so, that would greatly increase the time for the drum to reach a rotation rate of 26 rpm.
DeleteThe next time you have to repair your local Dutch style windmill, refer to this handy diagram for the construction:
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Most people do not know that the top part of the building that holds those big blades is mounted on small wheels and can actually rotate around 360° so that the blades can face into the wind for maximum torque. That rotation is also powered by the wind. Maybe the geniuses building all of those "green energy" wind turbine farms all over the US and the UK should try that?! Also, the wind provided torque does more that just grind grain. It also operates a scoop elevator to lift the raw grain up to the level where the grinding takes place. There is also some way to remove the chaff from the ground grain that eventually makes its way to the bottom floor where it can be bagged for transport to distributors. These buildings are really marvels of engineering and, no doubt, Bessler would have been well familiar with them.
Interesting diagram. It looks like the roof of the rotatable top section is made out of cement! That was probably done to make sure it would not take off if the incoming wind pressure on the blades got too high. Nothing more useless than a windmill that's lost its top!
Delete@anon 16:06
DeleteThe separation of the chaff, which is the light husks surrounding individual grains, was usually removed before milling during the threshing and winnowing phase of processing. By the time wheat reached a windmill like the one you showed in the diagram, it was typically already "cleaned grain". The miller mostly dealt with flour, bran, and middlings rather than large amounts of chaff. "Middlings" is the product of the wheat milling process that is not flour. It is a good source of protein, fiber, phosphorus, and other nutrients and can be used as fodder for livestock.
" Anonymous9 March 2026 at 02:37 said ..
DeleteLet's see now. Your orange sim wheel with a mass 400 kg and eight 50 kg weights, which I assume YOU think was similar to the Kassal wheel, has to have a torque of 307 N x 2.6 m = 798.2 N-m to be moving at 26 rpm after 2 turns which needed a total of only 9.24 seconds to complete. That is a LOT of torque! 798.2 Newton-meters equals 588.7 foot-pounds. A midsize automobile's engine can produce from 100 to 400 foot-pounds of torque. So, your sims indicate that the Kassal wheel had about 50% more torque than would have been produced by the most powerful engine used in a midsize automobile?
I have a one word reaction to that...IMPOSSIBLE! This convinces me more than anything else I've read so far here that Bessler's wheels needed minutes, not seconds to reach their maximum speeds. "
I did NOT assume the Kassel wheel was 400 kg ( I gave an experimental range to look at the trends and form a matrix to identify the key points etc ) - twas KB who made the original statement the Kassel wheel was around 1,000 lbs - I DO assume it has far less total mass than even 400 kg higher limit used in the side-by-side comparisons - for the reasons you give as the N-m's are astronomical at the higher masses ..
I presume you know that the sim experiment is best case scenario with ZERO energy losses to frictions etc i.e. 100% efficiency .. any best case mechanical arrangement might only be 25 to 50 % efficient ..
However I feel you have not grasped the main point of the demonstration - you can not reach 26 rpm " in minutes " and in only 2 turns ! The time doesn't change for the 2 turns regardless of the wheel mass and MOI etc - the magnitude of the applied perpendicular force in Newtons applied at the MOI radius dictates that it will arrive at 26 rpm in 2 turns - the time taken to reach 26 rpm in 2 turns is the same for all wheels regardless of total wheel mass - the force applied as Newton-meters ( foot-pounds ) halves and quarters etc according to the mass relationship ..
So work backwards with the science and observations we have ( we don't have time to get to 26 rpm ) and we can likely arrive at a more accurate mass estimation - the wheels are estimated to output between 85 and 125 Watts when at operating rpm - work the problem backwards and forwards ..
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" Anonymous9 March 2026 at 14:22 said ..
My research shows that the Kassal wheel only had a torque of about 200 N-m at most. If so, that would greatly increase the time for the drum to reach a rotation rate of 26 rpm. "
See above - time appears to be irrelevant - it is the rpm reached in the number of turns - this dictates how much torque force must be applied to accelerate the wheel ( progressively higher for more massive wheels etc ) - if you take a long time ( e.g. 5 minutes ) to reach 26 rpm then it might be in 30 turns etc ..
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I have prepared another demonstration sim - I cleaned up the quick one from yesterday and standardized some things to showcase the basic relationships of applying a constant accelerating force - I also went to the upper recorded limit of reaching 26 rpm in 3 turns - then we are getting somewhere given we have a good estimate of the Wattage it can output ( say 100 Watts ) , iinm .. feel free to work up some answers in advance - will post up the animation when I have the available time today - in a bit of a rush .. -f
Grabbed a free moment - to recap - these are comparison sims to accurately estimate how much N-m torque must be applied to reach 26 rpm in 3 turns ( n.b. I have changed the MOI radius slightly to 2.5 m to give us nice round numbers where possible ) - note that these are effectively flywheel analogues where a constant accelerating force is applied to reach 26 rpm in 3 turns ( this time, last time 2 turns ) - the sims are best case scenario with 100% efficiency i.e. ZERO energy losses to frictions etc understating the forces required ..
DeleteNow the 400 kg wheel takes 200 N's of force to reach 26 rpm in 3 turns - the 200 kg wheel takes 100 N's , and the 100 kg wheel takes 50 N's ( handy estimates ) .. all three sim wheels take 13.84 seconds to reach 26 rpm in ONLY 3 turns ( Fischer the engineer recorded it as 2 to 3 turns iirc ) - given that efficiency is 100% then we can later adjust these figures for greater reality ..
Note that the power output estimates for B's. wheels have been in the 85 to 125 Watt range - this is ability to do work ( rate of doing work i.e. per second ) at a constant rpm ( 26 ) - this means the force required to output say 100 Watts while at a constant 26 rpm is less than the force required to accelerate a wheel rapidly up to the 26 rpm in just 3 turns ..
For our engineers and mathematicians a Chatbot should have it done before you fire up the slide rule ..
If I have left anything important out I get back to it .. -f
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I decided to make a quick sim of the Kassal wheel using the various values Ken B gives in his book for that wheel. He claims it weighed 1,100 lbs and when turning in either direction was driven by 8 weighted levers each with a mass of exactly 29 lbs. He estimates that the center of mass of those 8 driving weights (which had a total mass of 8 x 29 lbs. = 232 lbs) was located only a quarter of an INCH or 0.020833 feet horizontally away from the exact center of the axle! That results in the torque acting on the massive wheel only being about 4.834 ft-lbs. When I ran my sim using his values, it took 5.777 MINUTES for the massive wheel to reach a speed of 26 rpm's. During that time, the wheel had to complete over 75 revolutions! Note that I assumed that the torque was constant. However, since Bessler's wheels always reached a maximum terminal speed when running with nothing attached to their axles, that implies that their torques were constantly decreasing as a wheel's speed increased until it just equaled the counter torques acting on it that were produced by air drag and bearing frictions. Since that was the case, the actual time for the Kassal wheel would have been greater than the 5.777 minutes predicted by my sim. Maybe it was as much as double that or about 12 minutes! Anyway, here's an edited screenshot from my sim which was made using wm2d:
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4.834 ft-lbs?! That cannot be right. It's way too low torque for a 1100 lb wheel with 232 lb of imbalanced weight inside of it. 😮
DeleteIt isn’t helpful to quote from Ken B’s book, because it’s full of unsupported conclusions. His estimation of the weight of the Kassel wheel being 1100 lbs is ridiculous. He claims there were 8 weights weighing 29 pounds each, so totalling 232 pounds. Take out the weights leaving 868 pound for the wheel alone, which was then carried a few steps to a set of bearings. Really?
ReplyDeleteJohn, it sounds like, once again, you are confusing the official examination of the Merseburg wheel with that of the Kassal wheel. The Kassal wheel was not carried from one set of axle supports to another as was the Merseburg wheel during its official examination because the Kassal wheel was too heavy.
DeleteI've read my way through the Ken B book (took me over a month!) and after doing a very careful analysis of all of the parts that went into the Merseburg wheel he concluded its mass was exactly 550 pounds. In that wheel he says that three 4 pound cylindrical lead weights with a total mass of 12 pounds were attached to the end of one of the arms of each wooden Y shaped lever which itself had a mass of 2.5 pounds so the three weights + lever's total mass was 14.5 pounds.
Like you, Ken B claims each of Bessler's two direction wheels actually contained TWO one direction only wheels that were placed back to back and close together within a thicker drum and, unlike you, that each of those one direction wheels had eight Y levers inside of it that held three weights each. That means that the Merseburg wheel actually contained a total of 2 wheels x 8 levers x 3 weights = 48 of those 4 pound cylindrical lead weights. Those 48 lead weights of 4 pounds each would have had a total mass of 192 pounds. After the weights had been removed prior to the Merseburg wheel's translocation, the remaining weight of the "empty" wheel became 550 pounds - 192 pounds = 358 pounds. If four of Karl's servants lifted the huge 12 diameter wheel's axle ends off of their two support beams for the short trip over to another nearby set of support beams, then each man would only have to lift 358 pounds / 4 = 89.5 pounds which was probably less than the average weight of an adult woman back then.
Yes thank you, I was aware but noticed too late to correct. Nevertheless I wish people would not quote anything from Ken B’s book, it’s so obviously full of complete rubbish. It’s all in his mind and nothing is verifiable with any common sense.
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Anon 00:59 wrote: "He [Ken B] estimates that the center of mass of those 8 driving weights (which had a total mass of 8 x 29 lbs. = 232 lbs [in the Kassal wheel] ) was located only a quarter of an INCH or 0.020833 feet horizontally away from the exact center of the axle!...That results in the torque acting on the massive wheel only being about 4.834 ft-lbs."
DeleteKen uses the results of the one working sim he got for Bessler's 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel [which was not the second 4.5 foot diameter wheel he publicly demonstrated in Gera on June 6th, 1712] to extrapolate what the corresponding part sizes would be in Bessler's other larger diameter wheels. When studying the location of the CoM of the eight little weighted levers in the 3 foot diameter prototype wheel AS ITS SIM RAN, he was observing a CoM that kept bouncing around even though it always stayed on the descending side of the wheel. He ESTIMATED that the CoM's AVERAGE location was only 1/16th inch = 0.005208 foot away from a vertical line passing straight down through the center of the axle. With that figure, he then extrapolated the distances in Bessler's 12 foot diameter wheels as being four times as much because their diameters were four times that of the little 3 foot diameter prototype wheel. 4 x 1/16 = 4/16 = 1/4 = 0.25 inches = 0.020833 feet. It is a VERY small horizontal displacement for such a huge wheel's CoM and that is why Ken B claims that both the Merseburg and Kassal wheels had such low start up torques which got even lower after they got moving and picked up speed!
But, maybe his estimate of the average location of CoM of the 3 foot Gera prototype's levers was wrong? Maybe it was not 1/16th inch but, say, 3/16th inch? If so that would then triple the estimated starting torque for the Kassal wheel from 4.834 foot-pounds to 14.502 foot-pounds. That boost in torque would help to reduce the time for the wheel to reach 26 rpm's from your simmed value of 5.777 minutes down to a lower figure like maybe around 2 minutes? You might want to try rerunning your sim with the increased torque value and see how that affects the time needed to reach a speed of 26 rpm's as well as the total number of rotations that will take place before that speed is reached.
JC wrote "...I wish people would not quote anything from Ken B’s book, it’s so obviously full of complete rubbish. It’s all in his mind and nothing is verifiable with any common sense."
DeleteTo me it looks like when it comes to Bessler's words and correspondence about his wheels by others, everyone quotes JC's translations of them which he paid others to obtain for him. When it comes to the specs of the Bessler wheel parts, however, they tend to quote the figures KB gives in his book. So far the only specs JC gives us is 5 levers and 36 degrees. That's nice, but it is not enough to satisfy everyone's desire for more information. With KB's research we know the sizes and weights of Bessler's various wheels, where their lever's pivots were located inside a drum, the actual shape of the levers, and the number and masses of their weights. To top it all off, he had to make several thousand sims in order to finally verified all of his specs and before he finally started to get working sims using them. JC's much touted "Bessler Workaround Wheel" ("BWA 1.0" as some call it) was only recently shown to be a nonrunner with a single failed sim. It is now resting on top of our pile of dead duck designs from the past.
Early last month JC promised to reveal new clues he found that might resurrect his failed design and that gave some hope to his fans of getting it to work and still we get nothing from him as the number of comments on this blog slowly climbs toward a record level that will exceed 200 comments. I suspect that the real reason for JC's delay is not just his growing lack of commitment to his failed scissor mechanism approach, but that he fears that if he does reveal his new clues, many here may quickly respond with "It’s all in his mind and nothing is verifiable with any common sense." He will then have the insults he hurled at KB's research dumped right back on him! Has JC even read the KB book? I doubt it and I urge people to ignore any book reviews given by people who never actually read the book they are disparaging. I have read the KB book and it is truly a MAJOR work on the subject. I would highly recommend it to anyone who takes their Bessler wheels seriously. But, be forewarned. It is a HUGE volume of about 800 pages. The good news is that it is also loaded with dozens of never before seen diagrams of the interior mechanisms of Bessler's wheels. Get a copy, read it CAREFULLY, and then draw your OWN conclusions instead of depending on the "reviews" of anyone who has not actually carefully read it. I think JC puts it down mainly because, as soon as he found out KB didn't use only five levers in his wheel design, JC immediately ASSUMED it had to be all nonsense. The unpleasant reality for JC now is that the recent TSM sim of his Bessler Workaround Wheel shows it IS nonsense!
Sorry if this comment depresses JC. But, being a KB fan, I don't like to see his honest effort to supply us with a deeper insight into how Bessler's wheels worked mocked. He is a VERY serious researcher, imo, which I think will quickly become apparent to those who obtain his book and actually carefully reads it. I think it can forever change how a Bessler pm wheel chaser views the entire subject.
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DeleteThanks for your suggestion to rerun my sim of the Kassal wheel using triple the Ken B estimate of its torque of about 4.834 ft-lbs which would be 14.502 ft-lbs. As you correctly predicted, that increase in torque resulted in a decrease in the time and revolutions needed for that big 12 foot diameter wheel to reach its maximum speed of 26 rpm's. My screenshot of the result is shown here:
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As one can see, that increase in the cw torque resulted in my Kassal wheel sim model reaching a speed of 26 rpm's in a little less than 2 minutes instead of the previous time of 5.777 minutes during which it completed about 25 revolutions instead of the previously needed 75 revolutions. But, keep in mind that my sim assumes a constant torque which probably was not the case with Bessler's wheels and would have resulted in the actual Kassal wheel needing more time and revolutions to finally reach its terminal speed of 26 rpm's. Ken B's estimate of the location of the CoG of his 3 ft diameter Gera prototype wheel was either way too close horizontally to the axle's center or the estimates of how long it took Bessler's wheels to reach their maximum speeds, based on the few witness testimonies we have, have either been misinterpreted or mistranslated as being way too little. I don't think we'll ever know for sure what the case is until we can finally successfully duplicate one of Bessler's wheels. Right now, however, I find myself leaning toward the Ken B view that the wheels needed minutes and not seconds to reach their maximum speeds.
Is this the Ken B. blog or what? 😒
ReplyDeleteI suspect that no one really cares anymore so long as they at least get a trickle of new information about B's wheels. One used to be able to get that trickle over on bwf, but those days are now long past...
DeleteYes, yes, YES!...we are all eager for JC's next blog so he can trickle some more on us! Please hurry, JC, for we thirst for your trickle! 💧💧💧💧💧 Lol!
DeleteWas the KB wheel built by another person?
DeleteKen B. Was banned from BW Forum, although he or his disciple claim he left voluntarily. He was a friend at the time and asked me to review his book, which I did. I was kind about it but was unable to accept any of his so-called clues. He was finding clues for which there was no justifiable evidence that they were meant to be clues; the number of curls in his wig for instance! There lots of similar clues. All my my clues are verifiable and I posted several on my web site at www.theorffyreuscode.com way back in 2009!
DeleteHis biggest problem on the BW forum was his extreme logorrhea in all his comments and the same problem is self-evident in his book - 800+ pages which could have been reduced by 75 %.
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At least at BW.com the inmates don't run the asylum. They actually want to solve the mystery and not just have a facebook experience.
DeleteJohn writes: "All my my clues are verifiable and I posted several on my web site at www.theorffyreuscode.com way back in 2009!"
DeleteThat's very nice and we all just saw how your "verifiable" clues added up to yet another dead duck wheel design for our growing pile of them! WHEN are you going to "trickle" your promised latest clues down onto us? 🤔❓
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@anon 11:06...you agree with a "review" by someone who never read the KB book? You'll probably agree with JC if he starts babbling that he thinks the Earth is flat! You're the ideal JC fan which he prefers...agree with whatever he tells you and don't waste any time thinking about it!
DeleteWhen JC presents his next trickle of clues here expect there to be much about pentagons, angles, and Euclid. He will now, following the failure of BWA 1.0, insist that B actually had TWO pm wheel designs and that Karl only saw the earlier simpler one that did not use scissor mechs. So, I predict that the BWA 2.0 will contain no scissor mechs at all. It will just be straight levers connected by cords according to how JC thinks his latest new clues indicate they were connected. But, to be fair we should try to keep an open mind about it since we have yet to see his next "trickle". Meanwhile, where did I leave my umbrella?! ☔💧💧💧
Only FOUR more comments to go until we hit 200! We're starting to enter record territory now. I'm wondering how far it will rise before we get our promised trickle? John, please stop procrastinating as usual and give us our trickle already!
DeleteBe patient everyone! From the title of his next blog, "Some of Bessler’s Clues which I haven’t Shared with you yet", it sounds like JC is getting ready to reveal some of his most preciously guarded secret clues! Apparently, they will be condensed from a book of clues he never got around to publishing and will be released over the course of the next several blogs. Sounds good so far. Instead of his usual trickle, he may actually provide us with a torrent of new information. 😄
DeleteLook out everyone! Here come John's new clues!
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After catching up on the blog , here is a simulation of KB's Kassel wheel based on HIS metrics and HIS sim analysis and HIS book supplied to this blog - n.b. I have used the same presentation method as his sims on this blog to compare apples to apples for the sake of clarity - i.e. using planar disks of 12 foot diameter with a mass of 1,100 lbs ( ~ 499 kg ) , and using imperial units of minutes , feet , and pounds etc to give foot-pounds of constant torque applied to each of the 4 wheels ( A , B , C , D ) compared . Note that these sims are at 100% efficiency which indicates his original sim , from where his torque figure and time came from , did not have any friction losses allowed for ( a 100% clean sim ) - I run 4 comparison wheels to establish concrete and identifiable trends which could have just been extrapolated without the use of sims - I run 'A' wheel at -4.834 lb-ft constant torque as the base line ( the control experiment ) - then I run wheels 'B' , 'C' , & 'D' with torque multipliers of 3 , 10 , & 25 times the original torque supplied to the blog . It is worth noting that MOI is a measure of the resistance to change in motion ( inertia ) and for a planar disk the MOI radius is found with the formula d = r / sqrt(2) = 4.2426 feet ( a ring or hoop would have its mass at this radius ) - I have used the torque element in these sims ( it turns OFF at 26 rpm ) - it can be placed anywhere on the disk and will deliver the same torque regardless of where it is positioned - I put it where the MOI radius would be located for an easy visual .. The results speak for themselves when you watch the animation of the sim run out for 40 seconds - D reaches 26 rpm in 3 turns ( revolutions ) & 13.8 secs , C reaches 26 rpm in 7.5 turns & 35 secs , B reaches 26 rpm in 25 turns & 1 min 56 secs , A reaches 26 rpm in 75 turns & 5 min 46 secs ( 100% efficiency ) .. Because the torque multiples are consistent and constantly applied the increases in velocity rpm & RPM Ratios are consistent - time Ratios vary slightly - however it is quiet obvious that B compared to A will take approximately a 3rd less time ( 6 mins down to 2 mins ) for a 3 fold increase in torque applied, etc ..
ReplyDeleteThe point is to watch the animation and the relative accelerations of the 4 wheels , and note when wheels D & C get to 26 rpm just how slow are the other 2 wheels B & A in that same time of 35 seconds - n.b. ( C @ 10 x torque applied ) reaches 26 rpm in 35 seconds & 7.5 turns ..
When I come back I will address why 2 to 3 turns to 26 rpm is significant , reliable , and valuable data that was fortunately supplied by people with observational training and skills , and pocket watches . Which makes a mockery of an estimated 75 turns and 5 minutes and 46 seconds to reach 26 rpm as per the KB sim extrapolations etc .. btw the sim animation is running at around normal speed .. & KB could have done these trend analysis sims and matrix himself to give objective overview and predictions .. -f
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