I’m still working on some changes to the current design, AKA ‘the work-around wheel’. It is open to a number of variables and I hope it will prove to be a simpler version of my last one. The problem with interpreting Bessler’s clues correctly is the strong possibility that there are several options to consider some of which seem more suitable to producing the desired actions commensurate with the Bessler-Collins Gravity Enabled Continuous Rotation Hypothesis, and some less so.
This is not the so-called “bright shiny object” mentioned occasionally, it’s just part of a lifetime’s work in trying to replicate Bessler’s wheel. New versions are an ongoing process, each is a serious attempt to solve this puzzle and studying the actions of the mechanisms to see if there can be an alternative that could be an improvement is also a necessary feature of most research. If I post something along the lines of, “I know how it worked!” I’m sorry if I give the impression that I’ve proved something; because I haven’t, I’ve just got over excited at my latest model. I’m very sorry to mislead anyone, but I’m an excitable guy.
The problem is this tends to lead to people asking me to share it, but when I have shared something too speculative, it leads to general disappointment.
Each version is tried out on a previous wheel structure which leads to numerous holes and alterations to the various parts of the mechanisms visible on the test model. I’m sure this is a common feature of Bessler wheel research. The final PoP wheel won’t be a thing of beauty, nor a “ bright shiny object”, but as proof of the legitimacy of Bessler’s wheel, it will outshine more than 300 years of oblivity.
JC
Well, best of luck with your "current design, AKA ‘the work-around wheel' " which I think most here will just keep calling "BWA 2.0" to distinguish it from your BWA 1.0 design that unfortunately failed a simulation test back in February. Also please don't let "The Sage's" labeling BWA 2.0 in the last previous blog's comments as your "second bright shiny object" bother you. I think he came up with that name to annoy you because he's really envious that you are still trying to solve the Bessler wheel while he probably gave up on it years ago because he couldn't handle the frustration. Your continuing effort is a constant reminder to him that HE is a weak and failed Bessler pm wheel chaser and that REALLY annoys HIM!
ReplyDeleteIf I was you, I'd get rid of those ponderous scissor mechanisms in BWA 1.0 or at least greatly reduce their sizes somehow. Your main problem is to keep the center of gravity of all of your five weights more or less fixed at a location on the wheel's descending side (relative to the floor and nearby wall, that is) while also trying to keep it as far away from center of the wheel's axle as possible. That is so easy to describe in principle, but as tens of thousands (maybe millions?!) of pm chasers like you in the past learned, it is most definitely NOT easy to achieve in practice. Many of them eventually concluded it is actually impossible to achieve in practice. Bessler, however, did achieve it, but he had to endure MUCH suffering in the process. In the pm game, emotional, mental, and even physical pain is the price that must be paid to MAYBE achieve success. I'd estimate that only one person in a million has what it takes to constantly absorb such punishment and just keep right on moving along seeking success most likely for his entire functional lifetime. In the pm chasing game only the strongest MAY survive. It's kind of like a bizarre form of Darwinian evolution when you think about it!
Thank you, anon 17:28, much appreciated and as I hinted in a previous comment, I’m reconfiguring the scissors to make them lighter and smaller and a little different. They achieve the same action which is basically to expand or contract according to their horizontal attitude.
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@anon 17:28 wrote " I'd estimate that only one person in a million has what it takes to constantly absorb such punishment and just keep right on moving along"
DeleteSomething tells me that i'm not going to be that one in a million because I am on the edge of giving up right now. I've been at it for over a decade so far with no results to show after hundreds of hours of effort. But I do enjoy coming here and seeing the occasional new design or clue posted. I remain hopeful that maybe one of them will make something click in my brain that will recharge my enthusiasm battery again. Miracles can happen.
@anon 22:23
DeleteIt sounds like you are suffering from a bad case of "pm chaser's burnout"! It happens to every serious chaser sooner or later. You might consider taking a brief vacation from the subject for a few weeks or even months. During that time get plenty of sleep, take your vitamins and minerals every day, get fresh air and sunshine, etc., but mostly avoid thinking about pm. That will allow your brain to heal up. After that restorative rest you can then try some completely different approach to hopefully fire up your enthusiasm again. If you want to try something new, then I have something for you. In the last blog I suggested a way to make Leupold's twelve lever pm wheel work by using what I think Bessler meant by his connectedness principle hint in MT 9. You might consider trying to see if I was right by making his wheel but only using four of my L shaped levers in it. That should be the minimum needed for it to stay out of balance and produce pm. If that does not work, then try using six levers. If it does not work with six levers, then it probably won't work with eight and you can quit after trying six levers. Here's the original drawing I made in the last blog showing how the Bessler's connectedness principle may have been applied to Leupold's twelve lever wheel:
https://postimg.cc/WFVHvJ1d
Good luck!
Brad
@ All ... “ I know how it worked! ” . ego is not your amigo .
DeleteSo John's ego is not his friend? Sometimes our egos are really the only friends we have in this cold, uncaring universe of ours...
DeleteOur egos can get us into a lot of trouble if we don't keep them under control. Imo, all pm chasers are really trying to feed their hungry egos by making a big, world changing discovery...finding a genuine runner. When that doesn't happen, crushing depression can set in. Then they have to find some other way to feed their starving egos. It could be some other hobby, but it won't deliver nearly the same gratification as finding a runner would...very few things can take the place of that. That's why even after quitting pm chasing for years, a person will often find himself crawling right back to it again. Just like a former drunk who's been sober and "dry" too long finds that one day he cannot resist the urge to make a bee line to his nearest liquor store to "make up for lost time"! 🍷🍸🍹🍺🍻🍺🍾🥂🥴
DeleteThere is a difference between the "id" & the "ego" though at times you wouldn't notice. Neither should be allowed to drive the car & get their hands on the wheel, that's your job. They are back seat passengers that can offer advice and make navigation suggestions (the chirp in your ear) to your conscious mind. But you don't have to listen to it or take it. Keep it real.
DeleteI think I know how it worked
DeleteI am confident I know how it worked
I believe I know how it worked
I know how it worked
Knowing how it works will eventually lead to a genuine runner. "Knowing" how it works will only lead to plenty of words, comments, private messages, "clues", posturings, delusions, hoaxes, p*ssing contests, blogs, forums, drawings, photos, and videos...but eventually never to any genuine runner. Big difference! 🤔
Delete@anon 21:29. To make your list complete I would also add sims to it. Typing words on a screen is always a lot easier than making an accurate sim model.
DeleteI have a working wheel ! > define "working" > is that a sim and/or physical model ?
DeleteI have a runner ! > define "runner" > is that a sim and/or a physical model ?
eat dirt losers . i have a Bessler's Wheel > define dirt
Delete@anon 22:46
DeleteTo me a carefully built or accurately simmed virtual wheel (preferably both) that STAYS overbalanced as it turns is working. If it cannot do that, then it is not working no matter how many excuses are made for it.
@anon 23:12
Are you that "Still Angry" guy from last year who only showed us another dead duck wheel? If so and it's the same design, then it's still a dead duck and you should still be angry...but at yourself for still being delusional. Define dirt? Simple, it's the toxic comments that get spewed out here by occasional trolls most of who got banned from other sites and have nowhere else to pour out their unwelcome ravings.
@Anon 01:34
DeleteThis weird Roberval balance type wheel is always overbalanced no matter how it is turned. The COG of its eight weights is way to the right of its two separated axles and stays there during rotation which must be done by hand. It has no net torque and is stable in whatever position it is turned to:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%2Fid%2FOIP.XHlrzWTYGR6mdqCC2bVNzQHaEU%3Fr%3D0%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=06f73c6653500d76f3d53dac003fe7712376acceae2e9762ae3f7f98c049c6eb&ipo=images
You may say "i have a working wheel or thing" if it exists in the real world , you may say "i have a working sim of a wheel or thing" if it exists in the virtual world , you may say "i have an idea that according to analysis (which could be correct or incorrect) shows potential to work" and you may say what ever you wish to say , but by definition they aren't the same thing .
DeleteOnly a real world build qualifies as absolute proof of either not working or working , a sim and an idea is merely an intermediate step towards actual real world proof .
For this blog "excitable" JC wrote:
Delete"I’m sorry if I give the impression that I’ve proved something; because I haven’t, I’ve just got over excited at my latest model. I’m very sorry to mislead anyone, but I’m an excitable guy."
He was also quite excited back on Sept. 3rd, 2024 when he wrote to "inform" us all that:
"I KNOW how Bessler's wheel worked, and IN FACT I HAVE KNOWN for all this year and some months last year, since I awoke one morning with the simple design open in my mind's eye, having dreamed of it during the night. Following the REVELATION I drew many pictures of it to examine the concept and IMMEDIATELY realised that it WAS CORRECT. IN FACT it was obviously THE SOLUTION and I set to work designing a physical model to demonstrate it. I decided not to publish explanatory drawings because it's my belief that without a working model few if any will believe me and my past experience confirms this. I think a video of an actual model WORKING, showing the interior in motion is the best way to present a convincing explanation of the way it WORKS." [Note emphases added]
Amazing what a difference a mere year and nine months can make in one's "knowledge" of the secrets of Bessler's wheels! 😮
the moral decision is to stick to the truth no matter how much pressure you feel to embellish it
DeleteAs the JC case unfortunately showed, one man's "truth" can often just be nonsense. When it comes to pm machines, the real world does not care about anyone's "truths"...it only cares about what works. The only place where people will pay for "truths" is in religions. There the "truth" is whatever some human wearing a colorful costume and waving a "holy" book declares to be "the" truth. It's amazing how gullible many people can be.
DeleteJohn wrote "I’m sorry if I give the impression that I’ve proved something; because I haven’t, I’ve just got over excited at my latest model. I’m very sorry to mislead anyone, but I’m an excitable guy."
DeleteYes, you've apologized and most here will forgive you as they usually do. But, your "excitement" with a design you refused to reveal because it was your "belief that without a working model few if any will believe me" resulted in it not being quickly simmed and disproved so you could move on to something else, either an improved version of it or an entirely new design. That "belief" of yours cost you over a year of time that you could have spent on something else that might have worked!
To make matters worse, how many newbies came here during that time and read you boldly proclaiming "I KNOW how Bessler's wheel worked, and IN FACT I HAVE KNOWN for all this year and some months last year" and, as a result, decided they should not waste any of their time and effort trying to solve the mystery themselves because you, the high and mighty John Collins, had ALREADY solved it?! It could have been dozens or even hundreds! Was that actually your secret plan? To discourage any rival inventors who might read up on Bessler's wheels, find the same design you had, and then announce it publicly before you did so one of them could grab all of the historical credit for himself? If it was, then it sounds like the kind of "dirty trick" that Bessler would have used on his rivals!
Guilty as charged but I shall continue to work on this puzzle and try to refrain from over excited statements. Perhaps anon 19:57 you will stop embellishing your comments with excessive use of capital letters!
DeleteJC
Omg! The "high and mighty" John Collins finally admits his faults! Yippee...let us all applaud his new found humility and jump for joy!!! 🤸🤸🤸
DeleteHere's a recent photo of him showing everyone how humble he has now become!
https://i.postimg.cc/28203tT1/high-and-mighty-JC.jpg
Lol! After the royal family is deposed and parliament is dissolved, King John "The Humble" can take over as the sole ruler of the UK. His first decree? Anyone saying Bessler did not use exactly five levers in his pm wheels shall be summarily executed by decapitation...using a rusty saw!
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Ha ha ha...nice fake AI photo, anon 00:09. John makes a believable looking king. Maybe he missed his true calling in life? But, then again, haven't the vast majority of us because we got pushed out of the wrong womb! Life isn't fair... 😞
DeleteHello to all!
ReplyDeleteSorry for my long delayed return to his blog which I previously visited last November. There were the holidays to deal with, my having to be abroad for several months, a brief illness, a load of work to catch up on, and my need to read through all of the blogs and comments I had missed here in almost half a year. Time has a way of flying by and getting away from us despite our best efforts to prevent that.
I can say from reading the past comments I missed that I am most impressed with the contributions I am seeing here. New clues and designs appearing regularly. DoSoS's finding of that lever clue in Bessler's annual card for his patron Karl was outstanding, imo. Many here think that clue was Bessler's last chance to preserve some of the details of an important part of his wheels in a drawing and I can agree with that. Also much praise to Brad for his unexpected connectedness principle fix for Jacob Leupold's pm twelve lever wheel a few blogs ago. The only sad thing I found was the failure last February of JC's five weight wheel sim to display dynamic as well as static overbalance so it would continuously produce some net torque. Without those properties together, no pm can manifest itself. Hopefully, he can find success in the future as he continues to work on it.
I also have not forgotten my promise to reveal a new clue here, my "delayed Christmas gift" clue, when I returned. I do now have that clue, but a neater drawing of it will take me another day or so to complete. To compensate everyone for my delayed return, I will also reveal a second BONUS clue! That second new clue is something that only revealed itself to me after I read of a similar clue found by Brad in a different drawing. I will present that second Brad inspired bonus clue in a second comment here after I have first presented my originally promised delayed Christmas gift clue. Much thanks to Brad for helping me see that very hard to find bonus clue. I think his growing psychic abilities could actually be helping to energize my own! In psychic research this effect is sometimes referred to as "psychic amplification" or "psychic resonance".
Anyway it's nice to be back again because I did miss this blog and its comments which can offer some much welcomed distraction from my usual busy schedule.
Sayer of Sooths
Hey, Sos, long time no see...welcome back! And you have TWO new clues for us? Great. I can't wait to see them 😊
Delete@SoS...it's starting to feel a little bit like Christmas around here! We want our gifts!!! 🌲❄️🎅🎁🎁
DeleteOh, you're back! I was actually starting to think you'd quit this blog for a while there. I should have known better. You have two new clues to share with us? Yes, let's see them as soon as you can finish the drawings of them. We need you here at least once a month, not just once every six months. But I realize you are a busy man and I appreciate any time you can spend with us. I'm eager to see the new clues because I've had a serious lull recently in my own clue hunting efforts. I'm finding one problem after another keeps me away from the Bessler quotes and drawings. It's almost like the world is trying to prevent me from making any progress! Then again maybe I'm just being paranoid? Hopefully I'll get some of that psychic amplification you mentioned? I definitely could use a big dose of it at this time! I'm even to the point of carrying around those lucky talismans you recommended years ago to help me!
DeleteDisciple of SoS
Hi, SoS!
DeleteWelcome back. When I first read your comment I thought that I must be dreaming or maybe even hallucinating! I somehow "energized" YOUR clue analyzing ability so that YOU could find another hard to find Bessler clue for us?! I almost can't believe that could even be possible. Yet you claim it is so I will accept it. You wrote that you were inspired to do it by some clue I previously found. To tell you the truth, I don't recall what that clue might have been so I will definitely be glued to the screen when you finally post that "bonus" clue you have for us that I supposedly helped you find.
Anyway, great to have you back again. You always keep your promises to us and give us something we haven't seen before. We need a lot more of that around here.
Brad
Welcome back Sos,
DeleteYou probably didn't see it but before you left last time I said I had a request for you for something that I think only someone like you might be able to do for us. I still have that request or favor to ask of you and I'll wait to after you show your bonus gift to us to make it again. Hopefully, you'll give me a reply this time before you take off again?
If you can't fly, then run, if you can't run, then walk, if you can't walk, then crawl, but whatever you do, you have to keep moving forward" by Martin Luther King, Jr. This emphasises persistence and resilience in the face of obstacles.
ReplyDeleteThose obstacle are mainly the negativity in responses to my posts, but I will continue to post as long as I am able.
As for making claims that I know how Bessler’s wheel worked, nothing has changed, I know the principle he discovered which allowed the wheel to continuously rotate enabled by gravity. I’ve tried to explain it twice but I will probably have to hand-draw an image showing what I mean in order to help people understand.
JC
John, we already know what Bessler's principle was...a simple over balanced wheel that stayed over balanced after it was released and started to self turn and pick up speed because it had some torque to use. The problem is finding out exactly what was the mechanism he had that used that principle. By all means do make up some sketches to show us what that mechanism was or what you think it was. But, if you just show us more sketches of scissor things that look like your last design that failed sim testing, don't be too surprised if everyone rejects it (unless, however, it can successfully pass accurate sim testing). We need to see something genuinely new from you for a change. As they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words". To which I would add that a unique picture is worth a million words!
DeleteAlso, I don't think that "negative responses" to your posts are your real obstacle. Imo, your ONLY obstacle is and has always been that you don't yet have Bessler's actual mechanism that you can reveal to us. Hopefully, that situation will soon change. I look forward to seeing some sketches from you in the future instead of just more vague hints about "principles" that you claim to know.
I'm also sure that sage guy is already reading your comment here and saying to himself "Ah ha...he's starting to use his new shiny bright object by dropping vague hints of his superior knowledge of Bessler's wheels again on everyone here" which is exactly what I predicted he would do! Soon he'll have everyone here begging for more information. Just watch and see.
John, please don't give that troll the satisfaction of thinking he was right and can predict your every move.
He hasn’t predicted any of my moves, that’s not prediction he’s just repeating my words.The principle or concept I know is exactly what you said we didn’t know, “ The problem is finding out exactly what was the mechanism he had that used that principle”. I’m caught between deciding which of two roads do I follow; try to explain the exact mechanism that will answer your problem - or continue to build according to the principle or concept I have discovered.
DeleteGiven the negative feedback, sarcastic comments and utter disrespect I’m encountering, I’m leaning towards the latter. If I go that route I’ll continue to post but close the comments if only to remove the unpleasant comments,
JC
And to keep ratings up Fonzy and the clowns who crave attention jump the shark again. This is not a serious research site. It is a popularity contest site. It could have been way more.
Delete@JC
DeleteI wouldn't worry about getting some ego boosting lip service "respect" from anyone here. Words, whether positive or negative, are so cheap. What you need to focus on is finding a design that will at least pass that "accurate sim testing" that anon 18:56 mentioned. You spent years tinkering around with your last scissor mechanism wheel which crashed and burned only a few days after being revealed here and simmed. What makes you think anything will change if you do that again for more years as you try to use your "principle" or "concept" with some other slightly different design? I think the best thing you could do is reveal what you have in mind with some accurate sketches and let others here see if looks like it has any potential. At least that is what I would do if I was you. If it's another dead duck design, then you can more quickly modify it and see if things improve. IOW, more rapid knowledgeable feedback is what you need...not more sporadic trial and error tinkering that can drag on for years. Just my two cents...🪙🪙
Anon 20:13 wrote "This is not a serious research site."
DeleteI don't know about that. The new clues and designs I see here look serious to me. I'm seeing things revealed in the Bessler drawings that I never noticed were there before. It's like being blind and suddenly having one's eyesight return. I'm looking forward to seeing more of them.
If it was my blog I would delete the sarcastic and disrespectful and negative comments. Life is too short. They would give up soon enough.
ReplyDeleteevery site and blog has to be moderated . otherwise it quickly degenerates into a cesspit . but it depends on what motives for the blog are
DeleteThe problem with deleting any negative comments is that he could just wind up with a blog full of sycophantic commenters that only tell him what they think he wants to hear. That will result in him not getting the valuable constructive criticism that he needs to finally have hope of making some real progress. He'll get his ego stroked regularly but then, years from now, he'll finally wake up and realize that all of that ego stroking did nothing to help him find any real success.
DeleteOk, all reasonable comments. Maybe I am on an ego trip? How wonderful it would be to succeed in our search for a solution to Bessler’s wheel, but really I just want to solve this puzzle for the simple reason that Bessler has been so seriously maligned. We have been mislead and I can’t wait to see the look on the faces of all those teachers and scientists who laughed at our belief in Bessler. Of course I can’t see any of them, but their public reactions - priceless!
DeleteI have to ignore some comments, I once tried deleting them in the past but it just caused confusion if, for instance a reply to a deleted comment makes it through my censorship. My best way forward is either to ignore them, or react with humour, and appreciate criticism. It’s a bit of a balancing act, but I think people would prefer the blog to continue as it is rather than close the comments. I hope I’m right! 🤔
"I hope I’m right!" I think you are. This place so far is a nice mix of irreverent and serious comments that I think most enjoy seeing. One has to careful about overdoing it when weeding his garden that he does not wind up getting rid of the flowers along with the weeds and eventually destroying his entire garden!
DeleteThanks for your patience everyone.
ReplyDeleteAs I looked at that DT drawing that shows the two full face views of the Kassal wheel's drum, I found myself drawn to its left side. In particular, I could not take my eyes off of the upper left corner. There does not seem to be anything too unusual there at first glance. All you see are some braces of some sort outside of the window with a pulley attached to one of them to support a rope that lifts a box of stones up from the unseen ground below as the other end of the rope goes through the open window pane and finally gets wound around the turning axle of the huge Kassal wheel.
But, as I looked at that pulley, I suddenly realized it was actually part of another hidden clue for Bessler's "Lucky Ratio" which has a value of about 0.777 (its actual value is an unending string of 7's like 0.77777777...). This particular number shows up repeatedly in the Bessler drawings and I first found it hidden in one of the MT drawings years ago. You have to multiply that number times the radius of the drum of one of Bessler's wheels to determine what distance from the center of the drum's axle you are supposed to locate the lever pivots. Why that exact number?
There has been speculation about this in the past and some just think that Bessler considered it lucky and hoped it would help him sell his invention. Others think it has religious meaning for Bessler because the number 7 is repeated several times in one of the Jesus quotes from the New Testament (IIRC, Wagner in his second "Critique" mocks Bessler for saying that his perpetual motion is mentioned by Jesus in the Gospels). But, I think that ratio's importance goes far beyond those reasons. I think that Bessler kept repeating that it because he wanted to emphasize that one had to locate the lever pivots inside of a genuine pm wheel's drum at a certain critical distance from the axle center or the other part values he also hid in his drawings would not work so as to keep weights in a rotating drum overbalanced as it turned.
In the drawing I gave a link to below I show the upper left corner of the drawing in DT. I've outlined the pulley outside the window in yellow and it represents the number zero. The red dot I put at its center where the pulley's axle is represents a decimal point. Around them outlined in blue you will find three number 7's, but Bessler scrambled their proper orientations to better hide them. When you put them all together, you can get 0.777!
https://i.postimg.cc/sxJghgP6/another-lucky-ratio-clue.jpg
In my next comment, I will finally deliver my bonus gift to everyone. I have to credit Brad's previous discovery of a somewhat similar clue in the Merseburg wheel drawing for helping me find the bonus clue which only happened a few weeks ago. I think it will be obvious to everyone how difficult it would ordinarily be to find that additional clue because Bessler did a very good job of hiding it. Without the aid of some amplified psychic power, I think the chance of me discovering it would have been next to zero! Thanks again to Brad.
Sayer of Sooths
I've also always noticed the weird upper corner in that drawing like how the bottom of that big number 7 at the top you made blue slides down until it hits the side border of the drawing. I couldn't figure out why B did that and assumed it was some sort of mistake he made. Now it makes more sense. He wants us to see the number 7 and the slid down bottom part makes it look more like a 7. Nice find, SoS.
Delete@Sos
DeleteWhat really amazes me is how easy you make all of this clue finding look. I can spend hours pouring over the Bessler drawings and find nothing that stands out. Anyway, another interesting clue...thanks!
What amazes me is how you come these conclusions about the meaning of some details in Bessler’s images. You say that 0.777… is Bessler’s lucky ratio, maybe it is, maybe it isn’t,, I don’t know and I don’t know how you know. I looked it up, yes it has deep religious significance for some people, and maybe for Bessler, but what was the point of burying it in some obscure part of the picture. It has no relevance in trying to replicate Bessler’s wheel, in my opinion.
DeleteI supplied a good interpretation of the details in the same picture you used, on the 12th March this year, which provides valuable information for those trying to replicate Bessler’s wheel.
JC
John asked "but what was the point of burying it in some obscure part of the picture."
DeleteThat's the question everyone is wrestling with. That number which is actually an unending fraction is repeated so often that it is obvious Bessler wants any one to find it who is trying to reverse engineer his pm wheel mechanics by clue seeking. Well, Mr. Bessler, we have found it...now what?
I tend to agree with SoS that it must be needed to correctly place the lever pivots inside of one of his wheel's drums so the wheel will work. If you use the pivot placement distances he recommends so they obey his ratio value AND also use the correct various sizes, masses, spring tensions, etc. of the other parts whose values he also hid somewhere in his drawings in your replicated version of one of his wheels then it should work. If you don;t then it will not work.
But I also think that number had very strong religious meaning for Bessler due to Jesus using it several times. Bessler probably could have used any fraction like 0.6, 08, or 0.9 but he used that particular one because Jesus mentioned it and Bessler was definitely extremely religious (didn't he try to create his own version of christianity?). It was his way of thanking God for his success with pm. If any of the junk I ever slapped together worked, I would have been down on my knees praising and thanking God too! Anyway, once Bessler picked that number he then must have designed the various parts of a wheel to work with it. If that is the case then it is the first number he used in designing his wheels and all of the other numbers would have been based on it.
I notice that with an extra diagonal line (and second short piece of a diagonal line) Bessler put a triangle into that upper left hand corner that really didn't need to be there and could have been left out of the drawing. I think SoS got it right. We're supposed to interpret two sides of that unnecessary triangle as forming the number seven which it obviously does.
DeleteWhat about the number 7 on the padlock, does that not have an impact on your 0.777…
DeleteIf added to your 0.777… it makes 7.777…
JC
hmm...maybe the bottom point of the lock is supposed to represent a decimal point and the three sides of the lock tell us to use the number seven to its right three times? if we put them togehter we get 0.777. i think you just found another lucky ratio clue, john! welcome aboard the sos clue train! 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃 all aboard! choo-choo-choo-choo-choo...lol!
Delete@SoS
DeleteAnother hidden in plain sight type clue that no one else ever noticed...except for you, of course!
Last month I was also able to find another lucky ratio clue Bessler hid in the drawing for MT 83 which some may remember. It was another clue that he hid in the CORNER of a drawing just like the one you discovered in the corner of the Kassal wheel drawing. Maybe Bessler thought those corners were good places to hide clues because most people would tend to concentrate on looking for clues in the main center portions of his drawings? I'd recommend we go over all of his drawings and check out all four corners in each of them for potential clues. Come to think of it, check out all of the edges of each drawing too!
I also think that lucky ratio is somehow important to duplicating one of Bessler's wheels. Why else would he hide it in so many places?
In Ken B's Bessler wheel book there is no mention of the lucky ratio. However, if you study his design for the 36 inch Gera prototype wheel, you will find that ratio actually comes out of its specifications. He used some of the items in the second portrait of Bessler at the beginning of DT (one I recall now was that 14 inch ruler on the shop table) to determine that the distance from the prototype wheel's axle center to each of the pivots of its levers was exactly 14 inches. The radius of the prototype wheel's drum was half of 36 inches or 18 inches. If you divide those two values you get 14 in / 18 in = 0.777777777 without an end to the 7's which is Bessler's lucky ratio! Is that just a coincidence?
I think the next step for serious Bessler wheel clue hunters should be to find the clues that give the various part specifications that he used inside of his wheels like weight masses, rope lengths, and spring constants. That's not going to be easy. I'm sure they are all very carefully hidden in the five main drawings we have which are the AP wheel, the Merseburg wheel from GB and DT, the two DT Kassal wheel drawings, and now also that last drawing that Bessler did for Karl's 1719 birthday card (I also found another lucky ratio clue on the left side of that card's drawing last year). And of course maybe even in some of the MT drawings.
However, if Bessler intended to use the specifications of those INSIDE wheel parts that he hid in his published drawings to prove his priority to having found a working pm wheel design first ahead of some rival inventor, the exact values would have to be obvious to anyone after Bessler pointed them out to him in his drawings. To me this means that the best place to look for them would be among the different letters' alphanumeric values and numbers he attached to the OUTSIDE wheel parts in his drawings. Obviously, it would make the task much easier if we already knew those inside wheel part values so we could see which outside numbers in his drawings equal them after being correctly numerologically analyzed. This is because Bessler's plan must have been to use the outside part values in his drawings to prove his priority AFTER some rival inventor had ALREADY revealed the inner mechanism parts of that inventor's identical pm wheel. That never happened though so we are stuck with having to spend enormous amounts of time and effort building or simming possible duplicate designs for Bessler's pm wheels and, AFTER they are shown to work, only then being able to point to the various outside part value clues and show how they do describe the specifications of the inside parts that our duplicate wheel uses. The rest of the world has also been similarly stuck for the last three centuries in this bizarre information stalemate! Maybe it wasn't Bessler's intention for that to happen...but it did and now we have to make the best of it if we can.
Too bad Bessler removed and destroyed the few pages at the end of MT that gave all of the details of how his pm wheels worked. But, if he had left them there, then we would be building working copies of his wheels right now instead of hunting around for clues about how he built them!
Brad
Brad wrote:
Delete"To me this means that the best place to look for them would be among the different letters' alphanumeric values and numbers he attached to the OUTSIDE wheel parts in his drawings. Obviously, it would make the task much easier if we already knew those inside wheel part values so we could see which outside numbers in his drawings equal them after being correctly numerologically analyzed."
Here's a suggestion to consider. Bessler probably figured that a rival inventor was not going to make a 12 foot diameter, bidirectional wheel like the Merseburg or Kassal wheels. Most likely his wheel would be similar to or even identical to Bessler's little 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel. So, the inside part values Bessler hid in his drawings would also most likely be based on the part values he used in his 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel. You already used some of the values that Ken B found for that prototype wheel to show how to get that lucky ratio of 0.777. Why not take the other values Ken B provided for the inside parts of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel and see if you can find numerology clues for them in any of the Bessler drawings. Seems like it would be an easy route to follow. If any of the Ken B inside part values can be shown to have been hidden in the Bessler drawings, then that would help to support Ken B's version of Bessler's wheels. I'm sure he would like that.
anon 01:41 wrote:
Delete"Why not take the other values Ken B provided for the inside parts of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel and see if you can find numerology clues for them in any of the Bessler drawings."
Sounds like a plan. I have an image of what Ken B claims was the 3 foot Gera prototype wheel from his video and a list of what he thinks the values of its various internal parts were from his clue analysis that he put in his book. I'll see if I can put it all together into a drawing so you clue hunting guys can have some fun trying to find those values in the Bessler drawings. I don't think you'll find anything, but at least you can say you gave it a try. Note that I am not an artist, but I'll do the best I can.
Please go away Ken, you’re muddying the waters with your imaginary information.
DeleteJC
Ken, I’m sure it’s apparent to many on here, that you’re having lengthy conversations with yourself via your multiple aliases.
DeleteCan’t you see this does not reflect well on your state of mind and lowers your credibility? Your not doing yourself any favours and your attempts at book promotion will suffer because of it.
Seems like just the mention of KB or his book tends to trigger a lot of paranoia around here. I don't know why. Although no longer active, he was probably one of the most serious B wheel researchers to ever come along. If he or any of his fans has some new information about B or his wheels for us, then I want to know about it because we certainly are not getting anything new from JC or his fans!
DeletePerfect example!
DeleteAnonymous15 May 2026 at 11:31
Delete"If he or any of his fans has some new information about B or his wheels for us, then I want to know about it because we certainly are not getting anything new from JC or his fans!"
Why would you want anything new from JC or his fans if you already have this supposedly "serious research" and a "working wheel" just waiting to be build ? why waste our time then ?
Finally, I present my bonus clue as my way of apologizing to everyone here for my six month delay in returning to this blog. I shall try to visit more frequently in the future.
ReplyDeleteThis bonus clue, however, was inspired by another clue which Brad had found on March 16 this year. It was another very difficult to find "Lucky Ratio" clue that he found in the Merseburg wheel drawing and you can see his drawing for it here:
https://postimg.cc/HjNK5nMf
What he did was fill in the part of the cutaway section of the wall that is hidden behind the drum of the Merseburg wheel with a dark blue line. He then drew in a red line to represent the full horizontal radius of that wheel. Notice the black dot where the two lines cross? That dot is where Bessler may have located the pivots of his levers inside of the drum of the Merseburg wheel (one can think of the lucky ratio as telling us what fraction of a drum's full radius distance that a lever's pivot will be located away from the center of the drum's axle). Brad measured the distance of the drum's full horizontal radius, the red line, and found it was 151 pixels on his laptop's screen. He then measured the distance from the center of the drum's axle to the black dot and got 117 pixels. When you take their ratio you get 117/151 which equals 0.775 and is very close to the value of the lucky ratio or 0.777. This is not an easy clue to find which is why I believe he would not have been able to do it unless he was using his natural and growing psychic power.
Inspired by his find, I then found a very similar clue in the left DT Kassal wheel drum drawing. In my clue, however, I used a white line that I labeled "B" for the drum's full horizontal radius. I then ran a blue line down from the rope pulley's axle outside of the window to the point on the bottom of the triangular lock under the drum. Where the white and blue lines crossed I placed a small black dot.
My drum's full horizontal radius distance measured 268 pixels on my laptop's screen. The distance, labeled "A", from the center of the drum's axle to the small black dot where my white and blue lines crossed was 206 pixels. If you then take the ratio of A to B you get A/B = 206/268 = 0.769 which is, again, very close to the value of the lucky ratio of 0.777. Here's my drawing showing how this clue is found:
https://i.postimg.cc/Z5ww4Ggr/the-bonus-clue.jpg
Again, this is not an easy clue to find and, imo, would have been impossible without the use of my own psychic ability which I am convinced was somehow amplified by Brad's growing psychic ability. Thanks again, Brad!
Sayer of Sooths
Wow...just wow...to find clues like this you had better be using some sort of voodoo power, SoS. If Bessler was hiding things like this in his drawings, what else did he hide that we've never known was there? Anyway, thanks for the easy to understand drawing. 🔮
DeleteNice hidden clue, SoS. I couldn't find something like that if I looked for it for a million years! Good thing we have you (and also guys like Brad and DoSoS!) here to do the looking for us.
DeleteThe ratio you got wasn't exactly 0.777 but rather 0.769. That's an error of about 8 parts in a thousand or 0.8%. Quite acceptable considering that you were making measurements using lines you drew in that are somewhat thick. You might want to consider using thinner lines and see if they get you even closer to that lucky ratio value of 0777. Brad's value was only off by 2 parts in thousand, but I suspect that might have been due to his two lines being perpendicular to each other and not oblique like yours were...or, maybe he just made a luckier measurement?
We keep calling it Bessler's "Lucky Ratio". I wonder what Bessler privately called it? Maybe something like "God's Ratio" or the "Jesus Ratio" or the "Holy Ratio"?
@SoS
DeleteVery interesting new clue for us which again shows how important that number was to Bessler and how he wanted to make sure it was preserved in hidden clue form in his drawings. I don't think it's just there for luck or a way for him to praise God. Maybe he knew that any other inventor who stumbled upon the same design Bessler had would have to use that same ratio to place its lever pivots so the wheel would work?
Anyway, before you leave us again, please consider my request which I tried to make last year but you took off before I could.
I've looked at all of the clues here that everyone is finding about the levers that Bessler supposedly used in his wheels and they are all very interesting. But, they are all little bits and pieces type clues. We never see the entire lever anywhere. Since you are supposed to be a master of clue analysis (which I do not doubt), could you please try to find a COMPLETE lever hidden somewhere in the Bessler drawings for us. I've spend a LOT of time looking, but can find nothing. I think if anyone can find it, it would certainly be you. Please can you give it a try for us? You've never done any special requests in the past, but maybe this time you can make an exception? I know you are a busy man, but anything you can do will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, SoS.
DeleteAs usual you've delivered some new clues that were always right there under our eyes but which we were all too blind to see until you opened our eyes enough to finally see them. They will give me something new to be on the lookout for in the future if I can find the enthusiasm to look for more clues. My Bessler research has been in a major lull or slump of late. Even when I do have some time to get back to it I seem to be avoiding it. Even seeing your latest new clues did not help that much. My doctor says all of my blood tests are "normal", but I know that those tests only look for certain things and there can be a lot more wrong with a person that does not show up in a general screening test. As a result, health problems can go untreated for years until they finally produce symptoms severe enough to put a person into a hospital or even into the grave! Maybe I have some sort of nutritional disorder? I'm going to try increasing my daily intake of vitamin and mineral supplements to see it that helps. Maybe I'm suffering from a bout of that burnout which I have been told is quite common among long time pm chasers? I don't know. Right now I'm just taking it one day at a time and hoping for the best.
Meanwhile, I will at least continue to monitor this blog and follow any new clues that appear here. I'm sure they eventually will. After three centuries of little progress, I think we are all getting very impatient for the big mystery to finally be solved. I know that I am.
Disciple of SoS
@SoS
DeleteI'm so glad that you found my previous lucky ratio clue discovery to be helpful to you in finding a similar clue in that DT drawing of the Kassal wheel. Our clues seem to have much in common since they both involve using the radius of a wheel's drum and an extra line that must be added to a drawing to find the clue.
Maybe your amplified psychic power theory actually works? I forgot completely about that clue of mine from last year. That's one of the drawbacks of this blog. Ideas and designs come and go and then can just fade into the background of saved blogs that few will bother to review and newcomers will be completely unaware of them. I think your habit of reviewing all of the blogs you missed during your absence gives you an advantage and helps you plan what you will comment on when you visit us...that and also psychic amplification!
I'm wondering if it can work in reverse? If I do have some sort of inner psychic power helping me can it be strengthened by hanging out on blogs where others with genuine psychic powers like you are also present? There is so much we do not know about all of the psychic effects. Maybe all of those "hunches" we have in life aren't just random? Maybe psychic forces are involved that we are just not aware of?
Thanks for you latest lucky ratio clues and that extra bonus clue was such a nice surprise. Also thanks for mentioning me so much. My ego has been boosted and that should help me to look even harder for clues in the future because now I'm getting a reputation that I have to live up to!
Brad
@anon 17:01
DeleteWhat you are asking me to do is find something in the few Bessler drawings we have that perhaps tens of thousands have gone over for the last three centuries and not found much especially not some complete lever like you want to see. I tend to specialize in numerological clues and not geometrical type clues. Also, although I do have some psychic abilities, they unfortunately have their limits.
As far as complete levers go, KB never actually found one in the two DT portraits that he obtained most of his information from for his book. He really only put together a lot of separate little "bits and pieces" type clues he found in them (IIRC someone here once referred to them as "micro clues") to come up with a final Y shaped lever design. I did read his huge volume several years ago for the numerology it contains and I found myself agreeing with about 95% of the methods he used. He is definitely a very skilled numerologist, imo. He also had a youtube video years ago that showed how one could obtain that unusual lever's shape by using the pattern of curls in the wig Bessler wears in the first DT portrait. I had a link to that video that I was going to provide you with but I discovered that it no longer works. Most dismissed his wig clue as being too unbelievable. I, however, did not so quickly dismiss it. When it comes to how Bessler hid the secrets of his pm wheels in his drawings, there is no such thing as "too unbelievable"!
Anyway, I cannot promise you that I can find a complete lever in any of the Bessler drawings for you, but I can promise you that, when I can find some spare time, I will give them a good going over to see if anything catches my attention. If it does, then I'll bring it with me on my next visit here. If not, then, once again, I'll only be able to provide another "bits and pieces" type clue to everyone. Such really big clues in the Bessler drawings that you are seeking are probably not there.
What you are requesting could more properly be called the "Ultimate Bessler Clue" and I seriously doubt if he'd take the risk of putting something like that into any of the drawings that he openly published. I like a good challenge, but finding such a clue for you will most likely only turn into a futile exercise for me. Well, there's really only one way to find out. I do promise to give it a good try.
I've got to go now, everyone. Keep studying the Bessler material as much as you can. Read everything you can on the subject. And, most importantly, keep asking questions. As the Zen Buddhists tell us, "The answers are in the questions." But it helps a lot if you are asking the right questions! Are you asking the right questions yet? Something to ponder...
Sayer of Sooths
SoS wrote: "I had a link to that video that I was going to provide you with but I discovered that it no longer works."
DeleteHe got rid of a lot of his past Bessler videos last year for some reason and then replaced most of them with similar looking ones. The one showing how to get those Y shaped levers using Bessler's wig in the first DT portrait can now be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZCK7BzG3o
The important part is at the end at time 2:50 where you will see the lever shape emerge from the pattern of curls in the wig. I think the previous version this one is based on was better done.
He also had a website that suddenly disappeared. It was previously at:
Deletewww.cosmicvault.tripod.com.
I did some research about what happened. His website was a subdomain of tripod (owned by Lycos) and was a free website that contained a lot of articles he had written on it. Last month the owners of tripod decided to delete all of the "legacy" free websites they had provided for decades and only host the paid for ones. Supposedly, they sent warning emails out to the owners of the free websites telling them of the change in policy and offering to keep their websites active for an annual fee. Some may have read the email and then copied and saved their websites planning to move them to other free hosts. Some may have paid to keep their websites on tripod. Some who read the email may not have cared if their websites were deleted because they contained little content and had few visitors. But many probably didn't read that warning email and just deleted it as spam. They would be the ones in for an unpleasant surprise when they finally checked their websites and got that "Server Not Found" notification.
Nowadays, you cannot trust the permanence of anything you put on the internet. It all has to be kept on someone else's server which costs them money to maintain. When times get tough like they are now, the owners of those servers won't hesitate to free up as much of the limited memory space on their servers as possible by deleting any unpaid for content so it can be used for paid content. That's why I fear the exact same thing will eventually happen to blogspot and also that postimages site everyone here uses. Anyone putting any important information such as drawings, photos, etc. on them best keep archival copies for themselves. Don't assume everything put online will be around forever. It won't be. Even archive.org and its "way back machine" will eventually be gone. It's just a matter of time.
@anon 16:35
DeleteYou can still find his disappeared tripod website using archive.org's Way Back Machine at:
https://web.archive.org/web/20250823192658/https://cosmicvault.tripod.com/
Most of the links on the WBM copy still work. I didn't realize how many books he wrote!
Yes, I bet Bessler had a laptop to make sure he got the pixel ratios correct. 🧐
ReplyDeleteno...he would have used an ancient measuring tool known as...a ruler!
DeleteBefore your next nightly "binge", you might want to read this "sobering" article:
ReplyDeletehttps://principia-scientific.com/retired-md-says-the-only-safe-amount-of-alcohol-is-zero/
Thank you SoS, for your interesting comments. I enjoy reading your posts, even though I can’t accept your findings. The problem for me is that I am unable to see how any of it helps towards finding the solution. The evidence that you present is both fragile and tenuous.
DeleteJC
something tells me john never bothered to read that article. i did and it's scary! 😱
Deletethe speculation is the only noteworthy thing about numerology clues.
ReplyDeleteI read it. I’m 81, I’m fine.
DeleteJC
Fine? You again attached your reply to the wrong comment! According to that article:
Delete"The IARC classifies ethanol as a Group 1 carcinogen, the highest classification, meaning causation is established beyond reasonable scientific doubt. Alcohol causes cancer at seven anatomical sites: the mouth, pharynx, larynx, esophagus, liver, colon and rectum, and the female breast."
Many cancers actually progress to Stage IV without any symptoms and then when the symptoms finally show up it becomes a struggle to try to get rid of the cancer with chemo therapy since radiation and surgery are no longer an option. The drugs used are actually powerful poisons that can cause a LOT of unpleasant side effects and still may not work. It is hoped that they will kill the cancer before they kill the rest of a patient's still healthy cells. It rarely happens like that. If ketchup was a carcinogenic as alcohol, it would be off the shelves tomorrow!
Sometimes the actual comment seems to be delayed and appears lower down the comment list than it should. I could delete it and republish it in the right place, but I’m not going to.
DeleteAs for the problems relating to alcohol consumption, there are worse things which have had to be dealt with in my family, fourth stage leukaemia in one case, paralysis from the waist down in another and facial skin cancer in a third, requiring radiation treatment and plastic surgery.
JC
I avoid tobacco, booze, and coffee which I'm convinced are three of the biggest killers, but they always find a way to keep on selling them because there's too much money to be lost by not selling them. As far as society is concerned, if they kill a senior citizen, it's not considered a big loss. Their death just removes another unproductive person whose sweat is not making the richer any richer and only runs up the cost of a heath care system. In my own family, we've also had a lot of illnesses and all I could do in each case was just express sympathy and then stand by and watch while the person slid downhill to the cemetery as the drs. raked in as much money as possible all the way. I sometimes think the drs. only try to keep an old timer alive as long as possible because, once he finally drops dead, the cash flow stops! ⚕️👨⚕️👎
DeleteThere was an article recently published that claims HALF of the information in the medical textbooks being used in medical schools today is WRONG! Something to think about when your doctor gives you his "opinion" of what is wrong with you and what Big Pharma drug you should be using to "treat" your illness. Note that about 30% of all medical diagnoses are wrong and in many cases a "doctor" gets some financial incentive from a pharmaceutical company to push their drug on patients with a quota involved to "earn" the incentive (which could be something like an all expense paid vacation!). Also note that most of the medical malpractice suits against doctors are settled out of court for undisclosed amounts and only after one of their victims of their incompetence agrees to sign a "Non Disclosure Agreement". Since the case doesn't go to court, there is no public record of the settlement and the doctor can project the false impression that he is a medical genius who never makes any mistakes. Nothing could be further from the truth!
DeleteAP p. 334:
ReplyDelete"Listen my weights are not like those in turnspits and clocks. They don't need to be raised...it's a different arrangement altogether from what you see in mill-wheels, turnspits and clocks. This is all mentioned in Part One; read it at your leisure. Have I got to slap you on the snout with it, you ignorant half-wit, before you properly understand it?"
Yes, Herr Bessler...I think that my snout is in dire need of a good slapping because I cannot properly understand how your wheels can run if the weights inside of them do not need to be raised up. 👃👋👋‼️...thanks, I needed that!
But, being an "ignorant half-wit", I still do not understand!
Understanding , context.
Delete"AP p. 334:
Listen my weights are not like those in turnspits and clocks. They don't need to be raised..."
"Raised" is given PE. Turnspits and clocks don't have weights per se in the sense of overbalancing weights. They have weights or springs that drive the machinery that in turn need to have their PE manually restored with a regular input of muscle or chemical energy , or smoke or water power etc. The classic pendulum grandfather clock is an example, or a wind up spring powered clock or smoke jack.
"it's a different arrangement altogether from what you see in mill-wheels, turnspits and clocks."
The PE of the driving machinery does not have to be manually restored. Except when a two-way wheel is stopped and needs a one-off small push start to accelerate away again. It restores its own PE once in motion.
"This is all mentioned in Part One; read it at your leisure. Have I got to slap you on the snout with it, you ignorant half-wit, before you properly understand it?"
"it's a different arrangement altogether from what you see in mill-wheels, turnspits and clocks."
DeleteThe mechanical arrangements are not like the arrangements of turnspits and clocks described above. Neither are they like smoke jacks that use the movement of heated air to turn the jack. Or water wheels or windmills that transfer momentum from an external source to the machinery of his wheel.
Hello, fellow ignorant half-wit aka anon 19:28...welcome to this blog if you are a newbie looking for answers.
DeleteAssuming that AP quote is correct (an occasionally risky assumption to make with any English translation of a centuries old document!), then Bessler is telling us that ANY pm wheels that depend on some of the weights dropping in order to lift up other rising ones, is just going to be another waste of time, dead duck, nonrunner. You can scoot over to the BW forum at any time and see the latest useless versions of them. Bessler's WORKING pm wheels did not work like that. So, how did they work?
My best half-wit guess is that the weights in his wheels were mounted on the ends of levers interconnected by ropes and VERY carefully counter balanced by stretched springs. When one of his wheels was stationary, that resulted in the levers assuming a STABLE arrangement that placed their weights' center of gravity onto what would be the wheel's descending side when it was released and started to rotate. Now, here's the tricky part. As the wheel began to turn, that actually caused the center of gravity of the weights to begin RISING a little bit relative to the floor below the wheel. The arrangement he used was carefully designed so that when that happened, the levers would begin automatically shifting about so as to allow the center of gravity of their weights to actually "fall" right back to its starting position that it had when the wheel was stationary. This bizarre action did not use any of the moving wheel's gained kinetic energy which means that the torque of the wheel remained constant and continued to accelerate it. Now, all we have to do is find out how a wheel did that mechanically.
I'm surprised that AI hasn't figured it all out yet. But, unfortunately, all you get from such mindless computer programs is a summary of the "official" verdict of modern "science" which is that Bessler's perpetual motion wheels all had to be cleverly hoaxed. Funny thing is that all of those scientific "geniuses" never can explain how that was done. At best they point out the testimony of Bessler's FIRED maid who claimed his entire family was involved in the hoax and using some sort of pumping rig in another room that worked a metal rod hidden inside of one of a wheel's upright supports to propel it. The "geniuses", however, never explain how the barbed end of such a metal rod could get any kind of grip on the smooth trunnion or steel pin embedded at the end of one of his wheel's axles to make it turn. Those pins were all carefully examined and there was no way anything could turn them. Official science, however, has still concluded his wheels HAD to all be hoaxed, so that is that and no further explanation is really ever needed. WHEN Bessler's wheels are finally successfully duplicated, watch how all of those "geniuses" quickly come up with "explanations" to cover up their ignorance! Maybe half of them will admit that they actually believed Bessler's wheels were genuine, but were afraid to admit it because their fellow scientists would have labeled them as nut cases and not "serious" scientists. Fear of that kind of treatment has probably silenced many scientists over the centuries.
The translation is correct.
DeleteHorch’, mein Gewicht hat andre Spuhren Als die an Bratenwendern, Uhren. x. NB. Man darf es nimmer ziehen auf, Drum ist auch hier ein andr’er Lauf, Als wie man sieht an den Mühl-Räder, Und Bratenwendern und Uhr-Feder; x. Wie du findest im ersten Teil, Lis’ es, und nimm dir doch die Weil’. NB. Sol man dir denn (du albrer Lümmel) Auf die Schneuzen schlagen erst ein Brümmel, Eh’ du die Sache recht einfass’st;
Listen: my weights are of a different kind
from those in roasting spits and clocks. Note well.
One never needs to wind them up;
therefore the operation here is different
from what one sees in mill wheels,
roasting jacks, and clock springs.
As you will find in the first part,
read it, and take the time to do so.
Listen: my weights follow different principles
from those in roasting jacks and clocks. Note well.
One never has to wind them up;
therefore the operation here is different
from what one sees in mill wheels,
roasting jacks, and clock springs.
As you will find in the first part —
read it, and take the time to do so. Note well.
Must one first smack you on the nose,
you foolish lout,
before you properly grasp the matter?
Listen — the weights in my machine work differently from the weights used in clocks or spit-turning devices. They do not need winding, so the machine operates in an entirely different way from mills, roasting jacks, or clock springs. You would know this if you had read the first part carefully. Must someone literally knock sense into you before you understand the issue properly?
Must someone first strike you on the snout,
you foolish lout,
before you grasp the matter properly?
"NB. Man darf es nimmer ziehen auf,
DeleteDrum ist auch hier ein andr’er Lauf,
Als wie man sieht an den Mühl-Räder,
Und Bratenwendern und Uhr-Feder;"
“Note well: it may no longer be wound up;
therefore the motion here is of another kind,
than one sees in mill wheels,
roasting-turners, and clock springs.”
Omg! Our pile of dead ducks is now getting sky high! At this rate it could eventually be higher than Mt. Everest!
ReplyDeletehttps://i.postimg.cc/CKXHSmVz/sky-high-now.jpg
Hmm...I just had a thought of how we could monetize this situation. Instead of mountain climbers freezing their butts off trying to make it to the top of Mt. Everest, they could pay us a lot less to climb to the top of our Mt. Dead Duck! As an additional benefit, along the way they can pluck an occasional duck, cook it, and consume it. That means they won't have to carry the extra weight of food in their back packs...maybe just some water. Above the snowline at around 10,000 feet, they can refill their empty canteens with melted snow. 🦆🏔️👍
Back on May 15th I told anon 01:41 that I would try to make up a drawing that would show some of the inside part values for the Ken B version of the 3 feet diameter Gera prototype wheel. The link below will take you to that drawing.
ReplyDeleteIt's not as neat as I'd like, but I can assure everyone that the values are correct (got them right from his book). The wheel image I used is from his youtube video and it only shows one spring per lever while the actual wheel would have had two springs per lever. On the 12 o'clock lever I tried to draw in the extra spring, but it was a lot of trouble so I did not do it to the other levers. You need to imagine each single spring on them actually blocking the view of a second identical parallel spring right behind it. The 2d drawing shows the various cords occasionally crossing, but that would not happen in the actual physical wheel since their rubbing together during wheel rotation would destroy them. As I understand it, all of the cords in this design are arranged into five separated planes or layers across the width of the levers so no two cords can ever touch each other.
Each lever has "width" because it is not a single Y shaped three arm piece as shown in my drawing, but rather consists of two identical parallel pieces that are connected together with several thin pieces of wood that make the structure rigid. Each lever was actually several inches wide. Those wood pieces also hold thin metal pins and the various cords have little metal hooks at their ends that are used to securely clip them to the metal pins. This basic design, which would also have been used in his much larger diameter wheels, allowed Bessler to quickly replace a cord or spring inside of a wheel's drum in case it broke in two during use. That "use" for a cord was just it alternately being stretched tight to limit how far apart the attachment points on two levers could become and then made loose again as the drum turned and the two lever attachment points got a little closer to each other. For a spring "use" was just it being stretched from its normal unstretched length some extra short length and then unstretched by the same length back to its normal unstretched length again as the drum turned and the levers each rotated around their own steel pivots whose ends were fixed to some of the wood pieces that made up the frame of the drum.
So at the risk of being accused of being either a Ken B disciple or even Ken B himself, here is the drawing I finally came up with:
https://i.postimg.cc/MKRh0SgJ/gera-prototype-wheel-part-values.jpg
I'm not a clue hunter, but for those of you who are, I'm hoping this drawing will give you some new number clues to look for in the Bessler drawings. I think it's time we started moving beyond just finding more clues for that "lucky ratio" or the "Y shaped levers" whose reality, to me, seems to now be well established. Imo, if that's all we ever do, we really won't be making much serious progress in the future.
I think you did a good job on that drawing...far better than anything I could have made. You've packed a lot of numbers into it. I'm sure the clue chasers here will have a party with it! 🥳
Delete@anon 18:28
DeleteTHANK YOU! I think you just helped shake me out of my dismal clue finding lull! Your drawing is excellent and after only studying it for a few minutes, some clues jumped right out of it and "slapped me on the snout" as Bessler might have said!
I made this paint drawing to show what I'm seeing in this drawing of yours so far:
https://i.postimg.cc/hvpmQYn4/gera-3-ft-wheel-lever.jpg
In your drawing you show the lead weight at the ends of those Y shaped levers in the Ken B version of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel as each being 6 ounces. Now look at my drawing which is just a marked up copy of the double Kassal wheel drum drawing from DT. Look at the weight at the end of the rope hanging outside the window on the left side. Bessler put the number 6 next to it. I found out by adding those two red parallel horizontal lines to Bessler's drawing that weight is EXACTLY horizontally aligned with that big football shaped bob weight at the bottom of that big pendulum attached to the drawing's right side drum. My conclusion from this is that the giant pendulum is actually a symbol for the Y shaped levers that Bessler used in his much smaller 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel. The number six near the box of weights that aligns horizontally with the big pendulum's football shaped bob weight was Bessler's way of telling us that the weights at the ends of the levers inside of his 3 foot diameter prototype wheel only weighed 6 ounces each.
How can I tell that his prototype wheel's levers were Y shaped? He tells you this in that DT drawing of the Kassal wheel. Using the giant pendulum's side supports and the rod from the axle crank that swings the pendulum, you can form a big letter Y which I outlined in yellow in my drawing. It's so obvious now.
There's also another interesting detail that we can see in that DT drawing. Right near that big pendulum you can see the number 9. I think Bessler put it there to indicate that the giant swinging pendulum's tilt at that instant actually shows us the tilt of the weight carrying arm of a Y shaped lever inside of the drums of his pm wheels when a lever's pivot was located at 9 o'clock inside of the drum. That tilt would have been the same whether the wheel's drum was standing still or when the next Y shaped lever's pivot was brought to the drum's 9 o'clock location by the drum's rotation. That tilt would also be the same regardless of the diameter of a wheel's drum.
I'm going to keep studying your drawing, anon 18:28, because I have a feeling there are a LOT more clues hidden it. I haven't felt this excited in over a month now...what a difference some new clues can make!
Once again, much thanks for taking the time to make your excellent drawing for us! I wish we had something like this years ago. Well, better late than never...
Disciple of SoS
Thanks for all these new drawings everyone. I collect them into a big main folder and have quite a number of them so far. I think of them like rare animals that I collect in my private zoo. I'm not a builder, simmer, or clue seeker, but I like to keep track of what others are up to on this blog. I have separate sub folders in my main folder for JC, SoS, DoSoS, and Brad drawings. Also a separate sub folder for anonymous drawings. Within each sub folder the drawings are arranged by the date I added them. I like it when the artist adds notes to parts of his drawing and maybe a title to give a general idea of what is being illustrated. I used to collect stamps when I was a kid, but I think I enjoy this more!
Delete@DoSoS,
DeleteIt looks like you are out of your recent slump and now in Bessler clue finder heaven! I'm glad for you because you did sound like you were getting ready to drop out. Now that you're fired up again, we don't have to worry about that happening any time soon.
I agree with you that anon 1828's drawing is nicely done and we should make sure that we save it for future reference.
I've also been carefully studying it and I do agree with you that the hoisted weight with the number 6 near it is supposed to mean that the end weights of the Gera prototype wheel only weighed 6 ounces each. Ken B claimed that he found clues in the DT portraits that indicate those little weights were not cylindrical. They were actually little lead ingots that Bessler had cast by hand! Apparently, he would have used the same lead that plumbers were using to seal metal plumbing pipes that were connected together.
But, that number 6 also appears in other places in anon 1828's drawing. We see that it would have been used for the lengths of the levers' 8 "stop cords" and for the combined lengths of an unstretched spring and a cord that attached its unfixed end to one of the Y shaped lever's arms. Since each lever had two springs attached to it, that means the Gera prototype wheel would have needed 16 little springs to counter balance its 8 levers.
Now look at the rope that the box of stones outside of the window is attached to. That rope STOPS the weight from moving if the Kassal wheel and its axle are not turning. So the number 6 near the box of stones can also apply to the 6 inch "stop cords" inside of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel.
Next look at the rope itself. If you study a magnified image of it, you will notice that the outer strands in it look like the coils of a spring! So, I think that number 6 also describes the lengths of the spring/cord combinations attached to each lever.
I made this quick paint sketch to show what I mean by the rope strands looking like the coils of a spring, I enlarged and rotated the section of the DT drawing showing the rope ninety degrees clockwise to make it easier to view it:
https://postimg.cc/kDW74q4G
I also think that the DT Kassal wheel drawing needs to be given much more study. For example, are there any clues Bessler left in that drawing that can be used to obtain the lengths of the "main" and "long lifter" coordinating cords that were used inside of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel as shown in anon 1828's drawing? Can we find any clues that give the diameter or radius of that prototype wheel in the DT drawing?
Also, there still remains the problem of finding clues that tell us exactly where on the three arms of a Y shaped lever in the Gera prototype wheel the ends of its various coordinating cords needed to be attached. I'm sure those clues are also hidden in that DT drawing's numbers somewhere. But, finding them will have to wait for another day. We've found a lot considering that anon 1828's drawing has only been available to us for only a few days so far.
Brad
Oh Boy! When I found this next clue in the DT Kassal wheel double drum drawing I almost fainted!
DeleteFirst look at that most informative drawing that anon 18:28 made for us showing the values of the inner parts of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel's drum. The weight arm of the Y shape lever at the drum's 9 o'clock position is inclined downward at an angle of 62.5 degrees from the horizontal which he notes in his drawing.
Next take a look at the DT drawing's giant pendulum that is driven by a rod connected to the Kassal wheel's axle. If you draw a line down from its pivot through the center of the support arm that has the football shaped lead weight attached at its bottom end (the red line I drew could have been centered better on that support arm!) and then measure the angle that line makes with a horizontal line passing through the pivot, you will find that angle is EXACTLY 62.5 degrees!
Just chance? No way I say. To me this proves that Bessler intended that giant pendulum to be a symbol for the Y shaped levers he used in his little 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel as well as his other larger diameter wheels.
Here's a sketch I made to show what I mean:
https://postimg.cc/QV1qCsM2
I also noticed something else interesting about that angle of 62.5 degrees. If you add its digits you will get 6 + 2 + 5 = 13. The number 13 according to SoS is considered a lucky number in numerology and also the Hebrew name for that number, which is "Adonai", is the SAME name they use for GOD! Bessler, being so religious and a student of Hebrew, would have been aware of that and found some way to use that number in the design of his pm wheels. Well, there it is as yet another new clue hidden in plain sight that waited centuries to be found!
Not done yet! If you write that angle as 625 and take the square root of it, that root is 25! Yep, there's that number again that Bessler uses to stand for the 25th letter of the alphabet which is the letter Y. Yet another clue that his levers where Y shaped.
I think I can now officially declare that my lull or slump IS OVER! 😂
Disciple of SoS
You're on a roll now, DoSoS! Your analysis finally gives us an explanation of why Bessler positioned that Kassal wheel pendulum like he did. Did anyone else ever measured its angle before? I checked the angle as carefully as I could and it's not "exactly" 62.5 degrees in your drawing, but I found out that was because that red line you drew down from the pivot to the bob weight wasn't perfectly centered. When I corrected that I did get the 62.5 degree angle exactly. Now I know why Bessler put that protractor in his second DT portrait. He must have been making a lot of use of it as he made the drawings for DT.
DeleteRight now I'm struggling to see if I can find the lengths of the main and long lifter cords that would have been used in the Gera prototype wheel as shown in that nice drawing that anon 16:28 made for us. They have to be there somewhere and if I can find where he hid them then that will further prove that we do have an accurate diagram of the inner arrangement of the parts in Bessler's pm wheels. Those cords would have been major inside parts of his wheels that could never work without them. I'll keep looking until I find them. I know they are there somewhere "hidden in plain sight" and him being able to quickly point them out in his books' published drawings would have helped him to prove his priority to his pm wheel invention and any time.
Hmm...DoSoS, maybe YOU got a little of that "psychic amplification" from SoS during his recent visit to this blog? Seems like you fired up right after he left us. I still have some doubts about all of that psychic stuff he promotes, but I can't deny what I'm seeing with my own eyes. New clues are suddenly coming out of the woodwork around here. But, that's a good thing. The more clues we have, the better!
Brad
I'm amazed at all of the new clues you guys are finding. Where were you two about twenty years ago? I think if you had been around then, we would have working Bessler wheels by now! Anyway, keep up the good work. I will be watching and like that anon 07:11 I will be saving any drawings you make for us!
DeleteYes, it is an impressive clue found by DoSoS. What are the chances that particular angle would be exactly 62.5° and you can then get the letter Y's alpha numeric value out of it? I'd say next to zero chance. Bessler had to plan it that way. I can imagine him in some Saxony court proving that he had a competitor's pm wheel design first by using some tool to measure the 9:00 lever's angle in that wheel and then using a protractor on his DT drawing to show his wheel's 9:00 lever made the same angle. But, I think he'd still need more than just that. He'd have to do the same with a lot of other components used in the competitor's wheel. After a while a jury would conclude that all of those matches were not just coincidences...they added up to the fact of Bessler being the first to invent and use the design.
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ReplyDeleteOkay, I finally managed to find the "hidden in plain sight" clues that Bessler put into that DT drawing of his showing the two full face views of the Kassal wheel's drum. So far, all of the clues I've found are in the left side drawing. There could be similar clues in the right side drawing, but I decided to focus my efforts on the left side drawing for the time being although I may check out the right side for a future comment since I know that Bessler like to repeat his clues in a drawing to verify that they were actually clues.
As I mentioned yesterday, I was convinced that the lengths of the main and long lifter cords anon 16:28 shows in that drawing he made of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel had to be in that DT drawing and I was right!
Here's another one of my sketches that will show you how to locate those previous unknown clues. I inserted black arrows and circled the important parts in the DT drawing:
https://postimg.cc/CBnqx1tH
I've used the letters A and B to indicate the clues that give the cord lengths of the main and long lifter cords. Letter C shows how Bessler hid the clue for the k value of each of the two springs he used on each lever in that first working model wheel he constructed.
A - the main cord length.
Look at the window in the left side drawing and notice that the vertical part of its pane frame and the rope through the open pane cross and form the letter X which is the sign for multiplication in arithmetic. That means we have to multiply some numbers together in the DT drawing. There is also a slightly too thick horizontal pane frame part in the window and, imo, it represents a minus sign meaning we have to subtract some numbers from each other in the DT drawing. But which numbers?
Take the 4 in the window and multiply it by the 3 over the pulley bolted to the floor. That gives you 4 x 3 = 12. Next, look at the bottom point of the lock and the number 7 next to the lock. Use the lock point as a decimal point and combine them to get 0.7. Finally, subtract the two numbers you have to get 12 - 0.7 = 11.3. This represents the main cord length of 11.3 inches.
Brad
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PART TWO
DeleteB - the long lifter cord
Notice the 2 next to the cross section of the Kassal wheel's axle with the rope wrapped around it? Use the axle's cross section as a zero and put it next to the 2 to make the number 20. As you did to find the main cord length, you must now subtract a number from the 20. That little Roman numeral i above the axle has a value of 1 and is pointed to by the rope leading up to the axle. Notice the enlarge dot attached to its lower left side that looks like a decimal point? Use that Roman letter's value as 0.1 instead of 1 and subtract the 0.1 from 20 to get 20 - 0.1 = 19.9. This represents the long lifter cord length of 19..9 inches.
C - the spring constant or k value
To get this spring constant value just use the number 20 made in B which will then equal 20 ounces/inch. The 2 tells us that each lever in one of Bessler's wheels had 2 springs attached to it.
I also realized that there is a SPRING symbol hidden in that left side drawing of the Kassal wheel drum, but it is very carefully hidden by actually using an OPTICAL ILLUSION! Here's where it is.
The cross section of the axle with the single wind of rope around it looks like it is in the same plane as the outside surface of the drum's face, but it is not! It is actually located several feet in front of that surface. That means that, for the real Kassal wheel's axle, there would have been many additional winds of rope between the visible rope wind we see in the drawing and the surface of the wheel's flat drum face.
Now imagine that we could travel back in time and were viewing the actual rope windings on the Kassal wheel's axle after its turning had raised the weight outside of the window to a certain height. At some point there would be a lot of windings in a single layer wrapped around the axle. Next, imagine that we got Bessler to replace the wooden axle with an axle made out of an 8 inch diameter by 6 feet long GLASS PIPE that was strong enough to support the drum with all of the lead weights it contained. When we then tried to look inside the end of that transparent glass axle, we would see that the rope windings looked exactly like the COILS of a SPRING! This imagined sight is what led me to conclude that Bessler used the number 2 and the nearby cross section of the axle to hide the values of the springs he used inside of his 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel.
I think I'm becoming more and more of a believer in SoS's amplified psychic power theoryh with each new clue I find!
Again, much thanks to anon 16:28 for enabling us to find these new clues. Because of him we are making progress in finding new clues at warp speed. Now if he could only make a nice diagram showing all of the numbers that apply to those Y shaped levers inside of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel, that would also be most helpful to the serious Bessler pm wheel clue hunters on this blog. How about it anon 16:28? Think you could do that for us? It would be much appreciated.
Brad
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Hi, Brad
DeleteGreat to see that you are already finding some new clues in that drawing I made for you. You seem to be a natural at numerology analysis. I found your pointing out Bessler's "optical illusion" to really be interesting! How you describe it makes a lot of sense.
Anyway, I could make another drawing of the lever for you, but there is a bit of a problem. I don't actually do my own drawings. I find someone else's drawing and then edit it a little using my older version of ms paint (I hate the new version which I find totally confusing to use!). That's what I did to make your Gera wheel drawing for you. What I will need to do first is hunt around until I find someone else's drawing of the lever and then I'll see if I can put some accurate part values into it for you. IF I can do that, I'll try to have it ready for you in a few days.
Meanwhile carry on finding those new clues for us!
anon 16:28
@Brad
DeleteThat's some of the best clue finding I've ever seen! You certainly have come a long way since you first showed up on this blog. SoS is going to very proud of you when next he visits us and reviews all of the blogs and their comments that he missed.
I also found a few of my own new clues in that left side drawing of the Kassal wheel drum. I now know how Bessler hid the diameter of his 36 inch diameter Gera prototype wheel in it.
I think that the little pulley bolted down to the floor is supposed to symbolically represent his 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel because its diameter is so much smaller than that of the huge Kassal wheel's drum that is right behind it. If you arrange the 5 numbers between the load of stones in the suspended box outside of the window and the triangle lock inside the wheel's room like this:
6 + (5 x 4) + (3 + 7) = 6 + 20 + 10 = 36
You can then get the Gera prototype wheel's drum diameter of 36 inches.
If you simply add together all of the 5 numbers like this:
(6 + 5) + (4 + 3) + 7 = 11 + 7 + 7 = 25
Once again you get 25 which is the alphanumeric value of the letter Y which, once again, tells us Bessler was using Y shaped levers in his wheels.
My new clues here still aren't as impressive as the ones you just found though. But, every little bit helps.
@anon 16:28
I agree that it would be really nice if you could make up a clear and easy to read drawing of the levers that were used in Bessler's Gera prototype wheel. It would help us a lot in finding the clues in Bessler's drawings for the measurements of the different parts of a lever. That would be more convenient for us than having to constantly refer to the Ken B book for the various measurements. Just show us a single lever with all of the measurements right on it if you can. Thanks!
Disciple of SoS
Hello to DoSoS and Brad!
ReplyDeleteI have an interest in Bessler's wheels though I never got around to trying to build anything (and don't know if I could if I tried!). I'm also a noob here and have only been lurking for about a month so far and following this blog's comments daily. To say that I am impressed by your clue finding abilities, whether psychic or not, would be the understatement of the century!
You have found multiple examples of that 0.777 ratio found in both sides of that double DT Kassal wheel drawing. I have no doubt that ratio gives a unique distance from the center of a wheel's axle to the locations where Bessler placed the pivots of a drum's levers. I also think that the constant surfacing of the number 25 which is the alphanumeric value of the letter Y strongly implies that the levers he used had that particular shape or something close to it.
I also agree that Bessler used at least two versions of the same clue in each of his drawings to verify that they were actually clues he intended them to be. I believe that was done so that should he have to point out some clue to prove his priority to his wheel's design over another inventor's later claim, Bessler could also show that he was not just making up his clue at that time because he could then show that he had made a previous effort to hide the same clue at least twice in slightly different forms into the same drawing. It was a very ingenious technique that he used. Maybe it can be called "double clue verification"?
That brings me to that unique angle of 62.5° that DoSoS found in the right side drum drawing. He claims that it's supposed to indicate how many degrees counterclockwise a weight holding arm of one of his wheel's levers would swing when that lever's pivot reached the 9:00 location of a clockwise turning drum. If that clue is actually a Bessler clue, then it should also be repeated somewhere in the left side DT drawing. But where was it I wondered?
I'm nowhere in the same class as either of you two clue hunters, but I decided to try and see if I could find that same 62.5° angle in the left side drawing. It took me several days to find, but I did find it! I'm a lousy artist, but I did my best to make a Paint drawing to show where to find that angle in the left side drawing.
On the right side of the DT drawing I show how DoSoS found that angle. On the left side of that same drawing I show how I found that angle.
https://i.postimg.cc/SQGSzgMT/my-little-clue.jpg
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DeleteI used yellow color lines to form my angles. I used the ceiling in the DT drawing for my horizontal lines. On the left side I drew a yellow color line slanting downward from the center of the pulley wheel outside the window to a location on the bottom of the Kassal wheel's drum where the point of that dark diamond shaped shadow on the floor touches the outer part of the drum. I circled that area with a red color circle.
When I drew in the yellow color lines on the left side of the DT drawing, they looked like the mirror image of the yellow color lines I put on the right side of the drawing (kind of like a big number 7 being reflected by a mirror). If you now measure the angle formed by the two yellow color lines on the left side of the drawing, you will find it is ALSO exactly 62.5°! Imo, that cannot be an accident. It was carefully designed like that by Bessler so he could use his double clue verification method for that clue in the future if he needed to do that.
Finally, you will notice that downward slanting yellow color line I made also first touches the outer part of the left side drum at another higher location which I have also put a red color circle around. That location of the drum is ALSO the drum's 9:00 location!
So there it is. Two clues in that DT drawing that in different ways give us the same angle of 62.5° at the 9:00 location of the Kassal wheel's drum. To throw the center of gravity of a clockwise turning drum's weights onto the right side of the axle would require the lever weight arms to swing inward toward the axle as they reached the drum's 9:00 location. That angle must refer to how much of a swing was required. I can see no other purpose for that particular angle at that particular drum location. Because the value is so precise, it must mean that it is a critical value. If an attempted duplicate of one of Bessler's wheels does not use it, then most likely it will not be a runner.
I hope you guys found my little clue of interest. I will continue to watch for any new clues you find. You can call me "Noob 625" in any replies since in this my first post here I showed a new clue about that angle that I also managed to find in that DT drawing.
Noob 625
"Little clue"?!
DeleteNo, Noob 625. That is a MAJOR clue and most impressive for your first comment here. I was so giddy from realizing that the discovery I made on the right side of that DT drawing was finally putting an end to my recent clue finding lull that it never occurred to me that there might be another similar "verification" clue on the left side of the drawing! And to tell you the truth, even if it had occurred to me, I don't think I would have found it like you did.
Here's hoping you can keep finding more clues like that for us! 🫰
Disciple of SoS
@Noob 625
DeleteI'm amazed that you found a clue like that! Using the corner of a shadow as a pointer is something I think most looking for clues would never expect. He might have used the same technique in his other drawings as well and they should also be checked for them.
Anyway, I'm still working on that drawing I said I'd try to make of the Gera prototype wheel's lever. I have a drawing I can use that appeared on this blog last year. But, I need to check to see if it is accurate. Also, it seems to be incomplete to me. I'm going to need to do some serious editing of it. I going to need another few days to complete and then post it here.
anon 16:28
Hi, Noob 625!
DeleteI agree with DoSoS that your "little clue" is a major clue. It provides that double verification that the angle of 62.5 degrees was one that Bessler used in his wheels. Most likely, it is the "swing down angle" of a Y shaped lever's weight carrying arm as a lever's pivot reached the 9:00 location in a clockwise turning drum.
I don't think you would have found it unless, as I've recently come to accept, you did not have some help from your inner psychic power. You said you were lurking here for the last month or so. That means that you were reading SoS's delayed Christmas gift clue for us along with his bonus clue that coincidentally also involved the same portion of the Kassal wheel's drum shown on the left side of that DT drawing. Maybe as you studied SoS's bonus clue for us you somehow got some of that psychic amplification from him? That psychic energy "transfusion" you got might have then triggered and strengthened your own inner, but still weak psychic power up to the point where it was possible for you to find that normally impossible to find clue? Keep that line from Shakespeare's "Hamlet" in mind whenever some self proclaimed "expert" tells you that there's nothing to any of that psychic stuff: "There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, then are dreamed of in your philosophy". I'm always wary whenever someone, trying to act "scientific", tells me this or that is impossible, especially if he has no real experience with the subject.
Anyway, welcome to the blog and please don't let that first clue you found be the last. We need to find as many verified clues in the Bessler drawings as possible in order to finally zero in on the working pm wheel design he used.
@anon 16:28
I can't wait to see that new lever drawing you are making for us. No doubt it will be packed with a lot of part value numbers for us clue finders to hunt down clues for in the Bessler drawings such as the lengths, angles, masses, spring tensions, etc. used in the levers. So far the new clues we've found to verify the numbers in that 3 foot Gera prototype wheel drawing you made for us has been like a gold miner suddenly hitting a single vein of gold, a "mother load", containing thousands of pounds of the metal that seems to extend deep into the surrounding rock. Now let's see how far the current "vein" of our new clues will extend! ⛏️✨✨✨!!!
Brad
I'm seeing a lot of clues here that I never knew were hidden in that Bessler drawing of the Kassal wheel. I can't even begin to imagine the planning he must have done to make just that one drawing for DT. He must have spent weeks designing it before he finally engraved the printing plate for it. As I understand it, those plates had to be engraved so that they were mirror images of what one wanted the final printed image to look like. Did he use a mirror maybe to check on the image as he engraved it to make sure it would look right when printed? I don't know much about the printing techniques they used back then, but the effort must have been very demanding.
DeleteI promised all of you a drawing of the 3 foot diameter Gera prototype wheel's lever (based on the Ken B analysis, that is) and now it's done and ready for you.
ReplyDeleteIt's based on a composite of several drawings by others I found on this blog and other sites. None of them were accurate, imo, and needed some editing. For example, all showed the end weight on the lever's "Main arm" being a cylindrical weight. That is not what Ken B thinks Bessler used. In fact, he claims that the cylindrical lead weights were only used in sets of three on the levers in Bessler's 12 foot diameter Merseburg and Kassal wheels. For the earlier and smaller diameter wheels, he believes that Bessler used smaller, single lead ingots which he actually hand cast himself using plumber's lead. Anyway, I've corrected those previous drawings of the lever to show it using a single ingot shaped lead weight.
The width of the lever I found in one of the previously posted images was too narrow and I've corrected that in my drawing by making it wider by showing the exact length of its Main arm's single lead ingot weight (which was 3 inches). I also decided to accurately show how the width of the lever was subdivided into five "layers". Each of the layers had certain cords attached to certain pins in it that were at specific distances from the lever's pivot (described above the end on view of the lever on the right side of my drawing). The lever's pivot in turn was fixed at both of its ends to a pair of parallel radial wooden drum frame pieces. I've carefully checked all of the lengths in my drawing, which are all in inches, and am most certain that they are correct.
So, here it is guys. Good luck seeing if you can find any clues for its distance values (all in inches) in Bessler's drawings:
https://i.postimg.cc/g03scHVV/Gera-prototype-wheel-lever.jpg
anon 16:28
Great drawing! It looks professionally done. My drawings look like childish attempts compared to that one.
DeleteAfter looking at it for only a few minutes, I realized that the distance to the B1 attachment point on the B arm in your lever drawing is actually shown TWICE in the left hand side of the DT Kassal wheel drawing with clues! I won't bother making a drawing to show them because they are so obvious that even someone without any psychic power could quickly find them. Here's how they can be found.
The distance to the B1 attachment point in your drawing is shown as 2.1 inches. Now look at the left side of the DT drawing showing the Kassal wheel's axle winding up a rope to lift the box of bricks outside of the window of the Weissenstein Castle. You can take the 2 near the axle and the single winding of the rope around the axle's cross section as zero and put them together to get 20. Next, take the value of the Roman numeral "i" above the drum's axle, which is 1, and add it to the 20 to get 21. Finally, use either the dot at the center of the cross section of the drum's axle (which I think is supposed to be the axle's end pivot?) or the dot in the Roman numeral "i" to justify inserting a decimal point into the 21 to make it 2.1. Add the units of inches and you get the value for the distance location of the B1 cord attachment point in anon 16:28's Gera prototype wheel's lever drawing.
But, there's a SECOND clue also hidden in that DT drawing left side! Here's how to find that one:
Just take the 3 above the floor pulley and multiply it by the 7 near the triangular lock. That gives you 21 again. Then use either the floor pulley's axle or the bottom point of the lock that touches the floor to justify inserting a decimal point into the 21 to again give you 2.1. Then just add the units to get 2.1 inches again.
I consider that distance to the B1 cord attachment point in your drawing to be genuine because I immediately found TWO clues in the same DT drawing to verify it.
Anyway, anon 16:28, much thanks for taking the time and effort to produce that excellent lever drawing for us. I will now add it to my collection for future use.
Brad
Good heavens. You guys are like clue hunting blood hounds around here! That lever drawing done by anon 16:28 is only up for a few hours so far and already Brad is finding clues for one of its distance numbers in Bessler's DT drawing of the Kassal wheel! I'm starting to think maybe I could be out of my league here. But, I'm not quite ready to quit yet. I'll start studying the different numbers in anon 16:28's drawing and see if I can also find some clues for them in the Bessler drawing. It was said earlier that I found a "major" clue in that drawing, but maybe that was just a one and done stroke of luck that won't be repeated again? Well, only one way to find out. I'll give it a try and see what happens. Also, much thanks for that drawing, anon 16:28. It's beautifully done and easy to read.
DeleteNoob 625
@anon 16:28...It's a really nicely done drawing. It will make an excellent addition to my ever growing collection of images just from this blog. Thx.
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I wasn't expecting anything as detailed as your drawing! Just as a precaution I checked out all of the numbers you show with my copy of the Ken B book and they look correct. After studying your drawing for a day now I think I can point out the clues that Bessler hid in his DT drawing of the Kassal wheel at least in the left side part of the drawing where the wheel's turning axle is supposed to be drawing in a rope that is lifting a box of bricks outside of the wheel room's window. I made a drawing to show where the clues are located which the reader should follow as he reads the rest of this comment:
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The first and most obvious clue I found was that little pulley outside of the window with the number 5 over it. Use the circular pulley shape as a 0 and its center axle as a decimal point. That gives you 0.5 and by adding inches you get 0.5 inches. That clue then equals the distance from one of the Gera prototype wheel's lever's pivot to what is the A1 attachment pin on the lever's A arm. That is the pin to which the end of a short cord from a spring was attached to the lever. Each lever had two such springs attached to it and they were required to counter balance a lever whether a wheel as stationary or rotating.
Disciple of SoS
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DeleteAs I studied Bessler's DT drawing I noticed something I'd missed previously. Look at the upper right corner of the window frame. The dark portions of it and above it form a large letter Y! Use that letter's alphanumeric value of 25. In my drawing I drew a yellow Y over that Y in Bessler's drawing. That unfortunately hides the Y shape and the reader should view the actual drawing to see it better. You have to study the corner of the window for a while before you realize that letter is there because Bessler very subtly blends in into his drawing.
Next, extend a black horizontal line from the pivot of the yellow Y to the right and it will reach that Roman number i over the drum's axle which has a value of 1. If you add the two numbers you get 25 + 1 = 26. The dot on top of the i tells you to insert a decimal point and that gives you 2.6 which you can then use as 2.6 inches. If you look at anon 16:28's drawing you will see that is the distance from the lever's pivot to the L1 attachment pin on the Main arm of the lever where one end of a wheel's main cord was attached.
The third clue I found in the DT drawing of the Kassal wheel also uses that large letter Y located in the corner of the window frame. This time however draw a black line down and to the left until it touches the front bottom right corner of the suspended box outside of the window. Notice that the black line passes near the number 4 in the window and number 6 near the box. Add the value of the letter Y or 25 to the other two numbers and you get 25 + 4 + 6 = 35. The pointed corner on the box tells us to insert a decimal point which then gives us 3.5 and, by adding inches, we get 3.5 inches. That is the exact distance in anon 16:28's drawing from the lever's pivot to the L2 point at the end of the lever's Main arm where Bessler would have attached a 6 ounce lead ingot weight. Interestingly, the weight outside of the window also has a 6 placed next to it telling us it is a symbol for the lead ingot weights he used on his prototype wheel's levers.
With the three clues I've found so far (A1, L1, and L2) and Brad's clue from yesterday (B1), we now have found new clues for FOUR of the pivot to attachment point distances shown in the drawing anon 16:28 made for us. But, there are a total of seven attachment points on that lever. We still need to find clues for the remaining attachment points which are all on the "A arm" and are A2, A3, and A4. Something tells me that they are going to more difficult to find.
Disciple of SoS
DoSoS wrote: "Look at the upper right corner of the window frame. The dark portions of it and above it form a large letter Y!"
DeleteYou're right! I never noticed that before in the original DT drawing. You have a good eye for such fine details. Bessler even curved the top of the window frame a little to make it look more like the letter Y. Now I'm wondering what other little details like that we've been missing in the rest of the DT drawings all of these years. 🔎❓
I spent some more time studying the left side DT Kassal wheel drawing while also looking at the distances given for the A2, A3, and A4 attachment pins in anon 16:28's drawing of the Gera prototype wheel's Y shaped lever and I have found what, to me, look like clues for those remaining distances in the Bessler drawing. I also studied the method used by Disciple of SoS and tried to copy it in another drawing of my own. They weren't that difficult to find but without seeing first how he found his clues, I don't think I would have found mine. My drawing showing where the remaining clues are is a little messy, but here it is:
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To get A3 use the numbers I circled with red. If you add the 4 + 3 + 7 you get 14. Use the left pointing point on the bottom of the lock to justify moving a decimal point one place to the left to make it 1.4, then add the inches to get 1.4 inches.
To get A2 use the numbers I circled with blue. This clue is a little more difficult to find because it's not a simple addition of a string of numbers and requires a division be made first followed by a subtraction. Divide the 2 by the 3 and subtract their quotient from the value of the roman number "i" above the axle to get 1 - (2/3) = 0.333. Then add the 5 and the 4 to get 9. Finally, add the two numbers you got to get 9 + 0.333 = 9.333. Use the left side dot on the bottom of the "i" to justify moving the decimal point one place to the left which then gives you 0.933. Add inches to get 0.933 inches which is the distance from a lever pivot to the A2 pin on the lever's A arm.
To get A4 the method is similar to that used for A2. My drawing was starting to look confusing, so I used yellow stars to indicate the numbers in the DT drawing to use to find A2. Add the 5, 4, 3, and 7 to get 19. Next, use that value you got for 1 - (2/3) that was 0.333 and write 19 - 0.333 which equals 18.666. Again use the left pointing point on the lock to shift the decimal point one place to the left to get 1.866 and add inches to get 1.866 inches which is the distance from a lever's pivot to the A4 pin on its A arm.
So far only one of the distances, for A1, is "double verified" with a second clue giving the same value. I'm confident that the other six lever pivot to pin distances also have same value clues hidden somewhere in that DT drawing, but I'll leave them to others to find!
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I'm amazed at all of the new clues that have come out in the comments for just this one blog. Brad compared it to a miner hitting a rich vein of gold. I couldn't agree more. Let's hope it all adds up to a runner someday. I also have the feeling that there's a lot more that we still haven't seen yet in those Bessler drawings and maybe we never will see (but hope not).
DeleteMy theory is that our gusher of new clues here is due to the reappearance of SoS on this blog back on May 12th when he finally delivered that delayed Christmas gift he had promised us. Somehow his presence manages to cast a spell on many that makes them start looking for new clues which they always find. Some sort of "amplified psychic power" he provides? Hypnosis of some sort? I don't know, maybe. I do notice whenever he shows up the comment count on that blog goes way up.
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