Recently I speculated that Bessler might have found two different solutions to his wheel, but I’ve been doing work on this idea and whether it’s true or not, I could neither prove it nor disprove it.
But I did find an alternative to the scissor mechanisms which is better. It’s simpler and reacts quickly to an alterations to its horizontal angle. Also it doesn’t lock up at each end of its travel. I’m not ready to share yet, I have minor improvements to make, but as always, confidence is high! I wish!
I think that Bessler was offering advice on using scissor mechs but knowing that their action was desirable but not perfect, so look for an alternative that was better.
I’m still working on my personal conviction that Bessler’s wheel had five mechanisms - or five or nine. I know this idea is universally dismissed among us, but I have my reasons for continuing down this path.
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A recent comment pointing to a no longer live blog which mentioned me and my books, was a pleasant surprise and it prompted me to take a look at my stats. I copied and posted them below. It’s reassuring that so many people are interested in this subject.
I admit that after 17 years those numbers, accumulated since February 2009, should probably be much higher. But I’m still pleased that each month’s figures are good.
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JC
Hi John! Long time no see :)
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"But I did find an alternative to the scissor mechanisms which is better....I’m not ready to share yet, I have minor improvements to make..."
ReplyDeleteAm I detecting the increasing glow of JC's NEXT "bright shiny object" as was predicted months ago here by a troll who called himself "The Sage"? If so, then keep in mind his prediction that THIS TIME JC will not dare to repeat his grand mistake of revealing it to anyone. Doing so could, as happened with his previous one, lead to a quick sim and a rapid extinguishing of its glow. No, that cannot be allowed to happen ever again! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
If yesterday was an average day with 1085 visitors, then that means in an average month your blog should get about 32,550 visitors which I assume are not all "unique" visitors or first time visitors, but includes them along with a lot of regulars making repeat visits to check for new comments. Last month the figure reached 98,659 visitors which is about triple what one would expect!
ReplyDeleteI think that spike was due to the appearance of SoS back on May 8th who someone else noticed always tends to boost visits here for some reason. Maybe his psychic abilities actually draw people to this blog like a magnet? 🧠🧲😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
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DeleteHmm...that May 8th blog's comments did fly up well over a hundred with all of the new clues that were suddenly being found. That all happened right after SoS first popped in and delivered his belated Christmas gift clue along with a nice second bonus clue to us as his way of apologizing for his delayed return. I agree with those that say he tends to stimulate others into commenting as well as looking for new clues at least it did with me. But, I also think there was an additional numerological factor involved with that blog that no realizes.
DeleteThat blog was dated May 8th or 5/8. Add those numbers and you get 5 + 8 = 13. According to SoS that is a number that refers to God and was considered sacred by the ancient Hebrews. If you multiply the numbers you get 5 x 8 = 40 which is another important number in the Bible. It refers to a long period of suffering that is followed by final victory. Examples are the Israelites wandering around in the Sinai desert for 40 years while fighting off a lot of hostile local tribes along the way that did not exactly welcome them before making it to the promised land. Jesus also wanders around for 40 days in the Judaean desert suffering from starvation and being tempted by Satan before he finally overcomes all of the temptations and is ready to begin his earthly ministry.
Next, that 5/8 blog was posted by John Collins or JC and there is much discussion in it of a lever shape that Ken B or KB obtained from his research into many little clues Bessler hid in his various drawings. JC = J + C = 10 + 3 = 13. KB = K + B = 11 + 2 = 13.
Amazing how many times that number 13 can be associated with that 5/8 blog. Skeptics will just dismiss it all as due to chance and nothing more. Those who believe higher forces were at work will view it differently...
Brad
And you STILL infest this blog!
Delete"JC = J + C = 10 + 3 = 13. KB = K + B = 11 + 2 = 13" Most interesting. If my math isn't too messed up, that would be a (1/26)^4 = 1/456,976 probability of it happening by chance which also means there was a 456,975/456,976 probability that it did not happen by chance. If it was due merely to random chance, then it was a very rare occurrence.
Delete@anon10:35
DeleteSo you are saying that the both of them (JC and KB) mentioned on that same 5/8 blog is not just chance? Well, it can't be some sort of hoax involving them because they are (or were) long time B wheel chasers. If you eliminate that possibility then it sounds like you are suggesting it's due to some sort of supernatural thing which would seem even less likely to me.
Yet, bth, that blog's date of 5/8 is interesting. JC is probably the leading (actually only) pusher of the 5 lever solution to B's wheels while KB is (or was) probably the leading pusher of the 8 lever solution. So there we just happen to have those two numbers, 5 and 8, both attached to a blog that has an unusually large number of new clue discoveries in it.
I'm not sure what to really make about all of this. Maybe your math is wrong and it is all just coincidence. But I can admit that the levers B used inside of his wheels must have been usual in some way. He hints about that in his note to MT 10:
"No. 10: This is exactly the previous model, except that the weight-poles are more
curved and longer. The principle is good, but the figure is not yet complete until I
delineate it much differently at the appropriate place and indicate the correct handle construction."
The "principle" that "is good" obviously refers to the cog of a wheel's weights being located on one side of the axle which you need to produce some torque. He then says he will delineate or draw it "MUCH differently" at the "appropriate place" which many including me think is a reference to the detailed drawings of his working pm wheel mechs that he intended to put at the end of MT but which were later removed and destroyed. Finally he says that at that appropriate place he will show the "correct handle construction". That "handle construction" must refer to the shape of the levers to which he attached a wheel's lead weights. He's telling us that the correct handle will look much different than the curved ones shown in MT 10.
Now it's up to each of us to decide if that correct handle was a three arm one shaped like the letter Y which KB pushes or some sort of expandable one using scissor or pantograph type linkages which JC pushes It's not an easy decision to make. The Y lever is one piece and simple to make. The scissor type is more complicated, but in several places in MT B speaks favorably of them although he does not hint they are actually used in his wheels.
I think one's pet theory of how B's wheels worked can greatly influence how he interprets various things he sees (or thinks he sees) in the B drawings. They are like those Rorschach test drawings where what one sees depends on his background and emotional state at the time. One person might see flowers while another sees some animal or other object. No one's interpretation is right or wrong because the drawings are just randomly produced and have no real intended meaning. Otoh B does say in the intro to MT that while none of the drawing he left in it show the details of his pm wheel mechs, one could finally find them by putting pieces of different drawings together correctly. One can probably safely assume the same goes for his few other drawings that appeared in his published books.
"Otoh B does say in the intro to MT that while none of the drawing he left in it show the details of his pm wheel mechs, one could finally find them by putting pieces of different drawings together correctly."
DeleteKind of like handing someone a catalog from an auto parts supplier and telling him if he puts some of the parts together correctly, then he'll get a nice new working car out of it! 😦
@anon 01:30
DeleteThere was a time in the old Soviet Union when someone would buy a car and they would send him several crates with all of the parts in them along with an assembly instruction manual. The buyer then had to assemble the vehicle by himself! Most, even women, were able to do it and all of the cars were black and looked identical. The advantage was that the owner learned every detail of his car and could repair it himself in the future if he needed to. He also learned how to use hand tools and got a lot of healthy exercise at the same time. 😣
I remain convinced that the few drawings Bessler published are the equivalent of that Soviet DIY assembly manual for an automobile only you wind up with a running pm wheel instead of a small car. The problem is that Bessler's manual is as difficult to read as it would be if someone handed us one the Soviet manuals written in Russian!
Кто-нибудь здесь читает русский? 😕
Google translated above as ‘ Does anyone here read Russian?’
DeleteJC
The heck with reading Russian...we need to learn how to read "Bessler"! 😟
DeleteComment by anon 10:35. You used the phrase “correct handle construction”. I couldn’t find that phrase, but I did find this one and in the same place , “ This is just the same as the previous model, except that the weighted rods are more curved and longer. The principle is good, but the figure is not yet complete until I illustrate it very differently at the appropriate place and grasp the correct construction.” Where’s the word “handle” ? Did you translate Bessler’s handwriting? Did you conflate the two words “handle” and “grasp”? I’m just curious because the two words could mean the same thing or have nothing to do with each other.
DeleteAh the joys of translating 300 year old German into modern English! Not forgetting Bessler’s appaling handwriting.
JC
@JC. That translation was provided by anon 16:06 and not by anon 10:35. IIRC, it appeared in a Besslerwiki collection of all of the MT drawings along with the English translations of their notes back around 2020 or so. "Grasp the correct construction" does not make much sense. But, a "handle" or actually a lever does make more sense. I think Bessler was likening the weight at the end of a lever inside his pm wheels to the metal head at the end of a hammer handle which is something that must be grasped to use. In that note to MT 10 he promises to show the correct lever shape at the end of the work. Promises, promises...they are so easy to make, but often so difficult to fulfill...😔
DeleteThanks anon 13:46. I found the wiki version.
Delete“ No. 10 This is exactly the previous model, except that the weight-poles are more curved and longer. The principle is good, but the figure is not yet complete until I delineate it much differently at the appropriate place and indicate the correct handle and construction.”
I don’t know why there are two different texts. Mine was done by Andrew Witter many years ago and was I thought the only one done. 🤔
JC
If that wiki translation is the correct one as it seems to be, then John's approach is in even bigger trouble now! Bessler is telling everyone in that note that his pm wheel design used weights on the ends of LEVERS and not those scissor mechanisms that John has been pushing! Now what?! 😬
DeleteI’ve been familiar with Bessler’s information that his pm wheels used weights on the ends of levers, for several years and it definitely is not a problem, I have shown how the scissor mechanisms needed to have a weight on the end; they were self operated. Remember Bessler’s advice, make sure you put the cart behind the horse, not in front.
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JC wrote about scissor mechs: "...they were self operated."
DeleteUnfortunately, they are only self operated to horizontally extend or contract themselves as long as an end weight is dropping. They do nothing to actually lift a weight vertically inside of a wheel unless there is another heavier weight at the other end of the scissor mech that is dropping vertically at the same time. Without a NET lifting action of weights taking place continuously, a rotating wheel cannot remain oob. I've worked with scissor type mechs in the past. They are sloppy, clumsy mechs that achieved nothing and I seriously doubt that B ever used them inside of his final working pm wheel design.
I think a lot of Bessler pm wheel chasers have, unfortunately, allowed themselves to be hypnotized by that big scissor toy on MT's Toy Page. Yes, it shows how you could squeeze the bottom handles together and they would make the toy's top arrowhead shaped piece fly upward. I doubt if Bessler would put something like that on that page if he actually used it inside of his wheels. It would be revealing too much and sending rival inventors off all looking for the same mechanism Bessler used. I view it strictly as a symbol for a mechanical process only.
DeleteFor example, notice that there are eight of the scissors linked together in it. That could be a clue that Bessler's wheels used eight levers that, by using his connectedness principle of ropes between levers, all worked together to constantly keep raising the cog of all of a wheel's weights while the rotation of the drum constantly worked to lower it.
Notice the unusually large letter E between the two lower scissors? Each of the lower scissors looks like the letter X. X is also the Roman numeral for 10, so two of them adds up to 20. But, don't forget that big letter E. It's alphanumeric value is 5. Add it all together and you get 25! Do I even have to remind anyone here what that particular number is supposed to symbolize?
I'm sure I won't be able to discourage anyone obsessed with them from trying various scissor mechanisms in his wheels. You will do what you feel you need to do. But, I think when you finally give up you will agree with Bessler's observation that one must learn through bitter experience what works and does not work.
anon 05:09 wrote "Do I even have to remind anyone here what that particular number is supposed to symbolize?"
DeleteWe all know exactly what that number means...the 25th letter of the alphabet which is "Y" and is also supposed to be the shape of the levers Bessler used in his wheels. But you can also find that number in the upper right corner of the toy page. Look at the letter "B" near the top of that Jacob's Ladder toy. It's placed between the two top tiles which form a letter "V". You can use the value of "B" of 2 and put it next to the value of the Roman numeral "V" of 5 and get that 25 again. Another way to get the "Y" shape is just to use the top three tiles which also form that letter. Maybe Bessler put the letter "B" next to it because that was his last name's initial and as a way of saying he was the one who discovered that uniquely shaped lever and used it? The floating cuff (?) to the left of one of the top tiles is also interesting. Why didn't Bessler put the hand in holding one of the top tiles? Maybe he chose not to because its fingers would have hid part of one of the top tiles making it more difficult to see the numbers that could be formed using it?
IIRC, it was SoS who years ago pointed out another astounding "hidden in plain sight" clue in that Toys Page. Look at the two little "spring men" on that bottom pantograph toy. When a kid worked the toy, they would be whacking away at a chunk of wood with their axes and probably making one fine racket. But, take a good close look at their axes. The axe on the left is actually the letter T tilted a little to its right and the axe on the right is actually a written letter V. T has a number value of 20 and V, as a Roman number, has value of 5. Add them to get 25 which, yet again, is the number value of the letter Y and another clue that Bessler used those Y shaped levers in his pm wheels. It could not be any clearer what Bessler intended to say by shaping those axes like he did. Much kudos to SoS for pointing out that new clue to us.
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I just noticed something interesting as I studied that toys page from mt. The scissor mech toy implies motion upward on the left side of the drawing. The two upper hammermen lean to the right implying motion in that direction. The jacob ladder toy would have its tiles flipping in a downward direction indicating motion in that direction. And, finally, the two lower axmen lean to the left implying motion in that direction. If you follow the motions and imagine them as points on the circumference of a wheel, then the wheel would be turning in a clockwise direction. This arrangement of the toys must have been deliberate by Bessler. Maybe it was his way of saying that the principles used by the toys would allow a wheel to keep turning clockwise? Trying to figure out exactly what those principles being suggested by the toys are is however not easy. The swinging actions of the two hammermen and two axmen seem to suggest some sort of alternative motion taking place inside of his wheels as they ran...a certain lever swinging down while another one swung up? Maybe the jacob ladder suggests that this alternating action was passed along from one pair of levers to another pair continuously during wheel rotation?
DeleteThen there's that egg shaped top at the bottom of his drawing...what to make of it? I reminds me of an Easter egg and it might be a reminder of that religious holiday that Bessler stuck into his drawing for good luck or to praise god or who knows what? Maybe he noticed that a spinning top can move around a flat surface with its center of gravity inclined at an angle without falling over as long as it continues to spin Perhaps showing the top was his way of symbolizing that his wheel's center of gravity would remain out of balance as the wheel rotated?
Hmm...take the two C values of 3 in the toy page and multiply them to make 3 x 3 = 9. Next, take the two D values of 4 and multiply them to make 4 x 4 = 16. Finally, add the two products together and you make 9 + 16 = 25 AGAIN!! 🫨 Chance? No way in hell! 🔥🔥🔥😈
DeleteFor anybody who never had a Jacob's Ladder toy and, consequently, is clueless as to how it works, this short video gives a demonstration of one:
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Basically, each level can only hold one of the rectangular tiles. As soon as one extra one flips down and tries to put two tiles into that level, the tile that was already there is immediately released so it can then flip down and repeat the action in the next lower level. What's amazing is how quickly the action of the flipping tiles travels down through the levels. The toy in the video only has six levels, but there is no limit to how many levels there could be. I even recall seeing one once that was formed into a closed loop and the tiles could be made to continually flip around its circumference just as long as someone was rotating the loop fast enough to keep the flipping action at the 3:00 part of the loop. If the tiles could somehow be made to travel up instead of down through the levels of such a loop, then it might be possible to make an overbalanced wheel using them.
"If the tiles could somehow be made to travel up instead of down through the levels of such a loop, then it might be possible to make an overbalanced wheel using them."
DeleteMaybe the real secret of pm is to have a wheel's falling weights lift other weights up so that the center of mass of all of the weights always stays fixed in one location which would be on one side of the wheel's axle so there was always continuous driving torque? IOW, the wheel must be constantly overbalanced. I'm wary of any designs that only produce torque in pulses and would have to depend on momentum to keep the wheel turning until the next time a pulse of torque is produced. From what I've read, it seems like Bessler's wheels did produce constant driving torque, but it slowly decreased with increasing wheel speed. It could also rapidly decrease when an external load was suddenly applied to a wheel's axle.
@anon 02:01
DeleteI agree with what you said about a true pm wheel maintaining constant imbalance as it turns, but how do you explain this little known Bessler quote from AP, page 334?
"Listen my weights are not like those in turnspits and clocks. They don't need to be raised up...it's a different arrangement altogether from what you see in mill-wheels, turnspits and clocks. This is all mentioned in Part One; read it at your leisure. Have I got to slap you on the snout with it, you ignorant half-wit, before you properly understand it?"
@anon 02:01...What B is saying in that quote is that there was no big heavy weight hanging down from the axle inside of a wheel's drum and driving everything as it slowly descended. I think many thought that was how he could have faked his wheels. Either that way or by using wound up springs like Wagner did in his faked version of B's wheels.
DeleteI go with the idea that B's wheels all used very carefully counterbalanced levers with weights at their ends that were arranged so that the cog of ALL of the weights was located on the descending side of a wheel's axle and, most importantly, could remain there AUTOMATICALLY as the wheel began to turn and accelerate. How was that done? Good question and one which I've spent much time pondering.
My best guess is that a wheel's drum turned, it would cause the cog of ALL of the weights to begin to drop, but elsewhere in the drum a FEW of the weights would actually begin to rise. That then created a secondary imbalance that only involved those weights. As those few weights then began to drop as their levers swung downward around their pivots attached to the drum, they would then force the cog of ALL of the weights to rise right back to its starting location so that the cog of ALL of the weights stayed out of balance. It was an automatic self balancing situation that did not require any use of energy from a turning wheel to cause to happen. I wish I had the drawing skills like others here have to show what I am trying to describe, but I do not.
The point that I'm trying to make is that to explain how B's pm wheels worked, you have to move beyond just concentrating on the location of the cog of ALL of the weights. There was something extra going on inside the drum's of his wheels involving a few of the weights that was unique and which no one but B had managed to discover and use. I'm convinced that he discovered it because he got obsessed about making MT13 work. Imo, it is THE most important design in MT. Unfortunately, it is also one of the most ignored designs in MT!
There is a problem with your best guess, anon 07:36. If the cog of all of the weights drops a certain distance relative to the wheel's axle due to wheel rotation, then the dropping of a few of the weights relative to their lever pivots should not be enough to raise the cog of all of the weights. You cannot expect the dropping of, say, two 1 lb weights to raise up, say, eight 1lb weights.
DeleteOn second thought, however, there might be a way for it to work. The two 1 lb weights would have to drop more than 4x the distance that the eight 1 lb weights dropped. But, don't ask me what kind of mechanism would do something like that! This is why I think most in Bessler's time were content to just label his wheels as hoaxes and get on with their lives. People like mysteries, but only up to a certain point. Once that point is reached they get frustrated and bored and want to get them out of their minds and move on. Slapping the hoax label on something is an excellent way to do that. Why waste any time thinking about a hoax?
Without revealing his design, Bessler could never remove that hoax label as far as the general public, then as well as now, is concerned. Too much secrecy can be a bad thing. He could have put the missing pages from MT that showed his design into a sealed envelope and included it with his will so it could be given freely to the world in the event of his death. Why did he insist on taking the secret of his pm wheels to his grave with him. What possible benefit could that have been to him or his legacy? It demonstrates someone with a rather vindictive nature. Who would want to be remembered that way? 😔
Unfortunate that I have been hacked out of Besslerwheel forum, just when I was about to reveal the working wheel.
ReplyDeleteBig Oil probably found out about your great discovery and they did that to suppress it! 😠
DeleteYeah you're right! That could mean the end of Besslerwheel search period.
DeleteYou could always reveal it on here instead!
DeleteHi John, I am a long time follower of your work. Today, I read the two Wagner Critiques on your free-energy website. In his critiques, Wagner complains that the 1/2 hour test was insufficient and that Bessler was afraid of doing an 8-day test. Did Wagner ever publish a response to the 6-week long demonstration starting in November of 1717?
ReplyDeleteI'm not JC. But it seems that Wagner dropped out of the Bessler story after the successful duration test at Weissenstein Castle. I could not find any later Bessler related publications by him. Maybe JC knows of some?
DeleteEven after that successful test of the Kassal wheel in 1717/18, not all of his critics were completely silenced and Bessler was still defending himself against them in his DT book of 1719. He was really in a sort of no win situation. He needed to keep his design secret in order to not risk having it stolen without him ever getting paid anything for all of the hard work he did to find it. Yet that secrecy is what convinced many that he was hoaxing and needed the secrecy to keep the hoax from being exposed.
DeleteI agree with anon 09:56. Bessler deciding to take his secret design to his grave was a BIG mistake. All it did was guarantee he would be considered a hoaxer forever after. If he had left the secret in his will to be publicly released after his death, then at least he would have gone down in history as actually having finally done the seemingly impossible and also proving he was not a liar. Now the only hope of salvaging his much tarnished reputation rests with those now dedicated to duplicating his wheels. I fear that if it does not happen with our generation, then it will most likely never happen. Sadly, even most of the people now living in Germany in the region that was once Saxony in Bessler's day consider him to be a hoaxer! Can his reputation get any worse than that?!
Disciple of SoS
Leaving the secret in a sealed envelope attached to his will sounds like it would have been a good idea. But, how could he trust that someone would not somehow manage to get and read that will and steal the secret as he did so? I guess Bessler could have put the will and its attached secret containing envelope into a heavy metal chest bolted to the wall in his locked workshop and then kept the only keys to the workshop door and the chest on a strong chain that he always wore around his neck. After his death, the keys could be used to open the workshop door and the chest to retrieve the will and the secret.
DeleteHe was very paranoid when it came to guarding his secret pm wheel design and probably with good reason. If he ever let his guard down and someone stole it, that would be the permanent end of his control over it. He could then forget about profiting off of it and using that money to start that religious craft school he wanted. All of his future dreams would have gone up in flames...🔥🔥🔥 I'm even amazed that Karl was able to talk him into revealing his secret. Because of his very high ethical reputation, Karl was probably the only person on planet Earth at the time who could have done something like that! 😇
OMG! In that Toy Page It's NOT a sleeve cuff that Bessler forgot to add a hand to...it's a FACE!!! 😮
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Lol! Now I've seen everything! This is just a classic example of pareidolia and nothing more. 😆
DeleteI diagnose Rorschach affliction.
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It ain't no paradolie or roshosheck stuff. That's Bessler's face! I'd recognize it anywhere. It shows the look of shock he had on his face when he first saw that them Y levers made his mt13 into a runner! Jist take a look at the chin. It's a double type chin like my uncle Zach had. Now takes a good close look at that portrait of Bessler in the DT book. He ain;t got no regular chin. It's got a dimple or groove in it jist like that cuff that anon11.58 shows us was really a face. It's another out in plane sight clue that no one before noticed. It's more proof that Bessler used thems special Y leveres in his wheels. Thanky kindly anon11:58. We needs more guys like you findin thems clues for us.
DeleteI decided to let Grok AI take a crack at finding a "face" in that cuff from the Toys Page. To my surprise, it said that there was a recognizable facial pattern in it! Here's what that AI program thought it could be interpreted as:
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I'm not sure what to make of this. It certainly does not look like Bessler to me (unless he was really hung over!). Maybe the bizarre face and its expression was Bessler's way of mocking the reaction of his skeptics when they finally learned that he actually had a working pm wheel?
@anon 16:18
DeleteI couldn't find any engravings or portraits of him, but I'd bet that hard to see face at the top of the Toy Page is supposed to be Christian Wagner! He was one of Bessler's most vocal critics and to me it looks like Bessler could have been depicting him as some sort of stupid, drooling baboon! 🍌🐵
@anon 16:18,
DeleteI don't think it's supposed to be Wager. He was out of Bessler's life by the time the toy page was made up and inserted to take the place of the final drawings in MT that revealed Bessler's secret pm wheel mechanics. Most likely that baboon-like face was intended to mock Willem Jacob s'Gravesande, the Dutch mathematician and natural philosopher. He was the guy who tested Bessler's Kassal wheel without Bessler being present to keep an eye on him. It was a very serious breach of the tight security Bessler kept on all of his pm wheels and it so infuriated him that he took an ax to the wooden drum of the 12 ft diameter, bidirectional wheel and reduced it to a pile of scrap wood in a matter of minutes. It was all due to the "impertinence" of s'Gravesande which was what Bessler scrawled on the wall of the room containing the wheel. What better person for Bessler to mock in the toy page? Here I compare a human made drawing of s'Gravesande with that AI interpretation of the face that it found in the "cuff" without a hand image at the top of the toy page. Notice the resemblance?
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Bessler's version shows how s'Gravesande looked without his wig on to further degrade him.
It’s just an ink blot.
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DeleteI do see some resemblance between the drawing of s'Gravesande and the AI interpretation of that "sleeve and cuff" on the Toys Page drawing especially the eyebrows, eyes, and open mouth. However, admittedly, what is in the drawing is indistinct at best. Otoh, I do agree that it is not just a sleeve and cuff because it seems to have too many fine details to it for that.
There is another possibility that occurred to me. Everyone generally thinks it's a cuff for a hand that Bessler did not include for some reason that would be pointing to the right or actually holding part of the Jacob's Ladder toy. Fair enough assumption. But, maybe it's not a cuff at all. To the left of it is a dark rectangular box that most think was intended for a page number. But, maybe it wasn't. Perhaps there was supposed to be a SIXTH toy in that box and what we think is a cuff was supposed to be part of that sixth toy? I have no idea what that sixth toy might have been though. Studying the Bessler drawings looking for clues is like looking at a slice of Swiss cheese filled with a lot of holes...we only see part of a complete slice. 🧀
The more I look at it the more I think it was supposed to be a face expressing surprise or shock as it looked at that Y at the top of the Jacob ladder toy. To hide that Bessler would have had to make the face not too clear which he did. The black rectangle was for a page number but he never got around to putting that number in there for some reason like maybe he was not sure what number to use? IIRC there have been several other faces that he hid in his other drawings. They are all also difficult to find. Maybe the face in the Toy Page is supposed to represent all of B's critics expressing surprise that Bessler actually found a working pm wheel design? The eyes in the face seem to be looking at the letter B between its forks and that could have been Bessler's way of symbolically depicting their amazement at his great achievement. Just guessing here.
DeleteLol! It's obvious that the people here are so desperate for any and all information about Bessler's secret pm wheel design that they have actually become eager to see meaning in every little oddity or glitch in one of Bessler's drawings. Well, have your fun folks, but in the end you will know no more about it than you did when you first started. If you actually believe that you do know more now than when you first started, then you are delusional! You say that's impossible and you are definitely not delusional? Believing that is just more proof that you are delusional!
DeleteYeah, Bessler had something real, that I do not doubt. But, if it hasn't been found in the last three centuries, then, imo, it will NEVER be found. Now prove me wrong! 😎
You're very negative, anon 08:15. If everyone had your attitude no one would spend one minute trying to find the solution to Bessler's wheels. You seem to be unaware that in several places in his writings Bessler hints that the secret to his wheels is hidden in his drawings and that someone with a "discerning mind" should eventually be able to find it if he tries to find it. Maybe YOUR problem is that you lack such a mind? 😠
DeleteBessler's hand written cover note for his previously unpublished collection of pm machines we call "Maschinen Tractate" reads (with emphasis added):
Delete"Further demonstrations regarding the possibility and impossibility
of perpetual motion.
"NB. 1st May, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a DISCERNING MIND, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them."
"Orffyreus"
Lol! That "face" in the MT toy page kind of reminds me of that painting by Edvard Munch from 1893 titled "The Scream"!
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Here's the entire Munch painting. It was done in Oslo, Norway and first exhibited in Berlin. It uses a style popular at the time called "expressionism". The Norwegian title was "Skrik". It's painted with oil on cardboard.
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Munch's diaries contain several remarks that seem to form a background to this depiction of existential angst, among them the following: “I was walking along the road with two friends – Then the sun went down – The sky suddenly turned to blood and I felt a great scream in nature –”.
How many pm wheel chasers, after viewing their latest dead duck that they worked on for months found themselves wanting to also give out a Munch style scream?!
@anon 18:42
DeleteI think you pointed out something interesting about what is really going on in that Munch painting. It is not the figure in the foreground who is screaming as many falsely assume. It is Nature in the background which is metaphorically screaming and the figure is reacting to that by covering his ears. The figure's mouth is open, but it is not he who is screaming. He is just reacting with surprise to the "sound" of Nature screaming that he somehow "hears"
Here is a definition of "angst"
noun
1. A feeling of anxiety or apprehension.
2. A feeling of acute but vague anxiety or apprehension often accompanied by depression, especially philosophical anxiety.
3. More commonly, painful sadness or emotional turmoil, as teen angst.
origin
The use of the term was first attributed to Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard (1813-1855). In The Concept of Anxiety (originally translated as The Concept of Dread), Kierkegaard used the word Angest (in common Danish, angst, meaning "dread" or "anxiety") to describe a profound and deep-seated condition.
I think that the chronic failure of pm wheel chasers to get any results can indeed cause them to experience "angst". They become victims of a unique form of bondage. They cannot make it work to have the success they crave...yet, otoh, they cannot give it all up and just admit that they are finally and completely beaten and will never find it. It is the constant tension of being in such an condition that is the source of their angst. Something for the newbie pm chaser to consider. Perhaps 999 out of 1,000 of them will drop out before their six month mark is reached. The quicker they give up, the less regret they will have. Past a certain point, giving up becomes extremely difficult/impossible because the emotional investment is way too high. They will keep going until the Grim Reaper finally catches us with and "retires" them...
Munch's painting is famous and with good reason despite the fact that his painting looks like something a grammar student might have produced! Like many such paintings--and Rorschach images--it has a kind of subtle ambiguity to it; that is, everyone one who views it will interpret it slightly differently. Here's one interpretation I came up with.
DeleteThe face of the screaming figure looks like a skull. In renaissance paintings, artists often included a skull--you can see on in that first DT portrait of Bessler--that was referred to as a "memento mori" and which was intended as a reminder that one is mortal and his death is inevitable and final. In the Munch painting I see the man screaming at the realization that he is now dead and is about to cross a bridge over a river--like the river Styx in Greek mythology--that separates the world of the living from the world of the dead. Walking toward him are two dark figures. They are angels of death who will drag him across the bridge to his eternal destiny if he hesitates too long. What is that destiny? There is some dark land on the other side of the bridge and on the far horizon. It represents Hell! The bright orange sky over that far land represents the glow from the fires of Hell that burn there constantly. Is it no wonder that the figure is screaming in terror? He knows what awaits him there and for all of eternity with no hope of escape! For him that bridge is a one way passage. The viewer is left wondering what his sins were that resulted in such a destiny for him?
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DeleteYou give a very intellectual explanation of that painting but it's rather gloomy with all of the hell fire talk.
Here's my alternative "science approved" interpretation.
The guy on the bridge is having a nervous breakdown and is going to commit suicide by jumping off the bridge into the river since he cant swim!
The reason is that he spent decades chasing Bessler's wheels and trying to build a replica of one. Everything he tried turned into one dead duck after another. He was so convinced he finally knew the secret and his most recent wheel HAD to work that he decided to bet his life on it. If it did not work he would jump off the bridge and end it all. It did not work of course and after giving one final long scream he was going to jump!
Fortunately two scientists at the other end of the bridge saw him starting to climb up onto the railing and they rushed over to stop him. They pulled him down and asked what his problem was which while sobbing hysterically he explained to them in detail.
The two kindly scientists then explained to the man that they knew for a fact that all of Bessler's pm wheels were hoaxed! They made him realize that if he drowned himself it would be for nothing.
Once the man heard the scientists his angst quickly drained away and he felt a great sense of relief. He thanked them and invited them to join him for a nice dinner at a fancy restaurant in a nearby town at his expense.
At the restaurant they all feasted on the best foods and most expensive wines. Toward the end of the meal and before dessert was served the man asked the scientists how Bessler managed to hoax his wheels. One of the scientists just told him that was not really important to know. They explained that Bessler was a clockmaker and knew all kinds of tricks for hiding mechanisms inside of objects. They told him that the trick mechanism would have been hidden inside of the axles and drums of Bessler's fake pm wheels and used a lot of springs that he wound up when no one was looking.
The next day the man woke up and felt great. He no longer felt the need to have breakfast and then rush off to spend hours working on his latest dead duck wheel in an effort to get it working. He spent the rest of his life socializing with friends, working in his garden, observing the various planets at night with his new telescope, and occasionally trying to talk his previous fellow pm wheel chasers out of wasting all of their time chasing a fake wheel. Few of them listened to him though.
A few weeks after the man was saved another failed Bessler pm wheel chaser screamed and climbed up on the bridge railing for his final leap. Unfortunately there weren't any scientists around that time to stop him...💦💦💦...😲
There's actually a bridge like that over in Norway which is a modern version of the one in the Munch painting. It's called "Bessler Bridge" by the locals and has become a last stop destination for many failed pm wheel chasers. Here's a video someone made before he could stop a recent jumper. If only he could have accepted that all of Bessler's wheels were hoaxed, he might be alive today! Sad...🫣
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Amazing how he keeps his hands in his pants pockets at all times during his jump!
DeleteThat gadget the guy is riding along on is fascinating. I looked it up and it's called a "self-balancing scooter" or a "hoverboard". I found this on the web about them:
Delete"A self-balancing scooter is a self-balancing personal transporter consisting of two motorized wheels connected to a pair of articulated pads on which the rider places their feet. The rider controls the speed by leaning forward or backward, and direction of travel by twisting the pads."
Also,
"They can achieve speeds between 6 to 15 miles per hour and have a range of up to 15 miles, depending on various factors."
They contain a lithium ion battery that must be charged up before use. I'm thinking of getting one for local shopping during the warmer months. But, if I do, I won't keep it in the house just in case it has one of those defective batteries in it that can burst into flames at any time. Also, if I do, I will also get a cycling helmet with it because these look like they could easily throw a rider if he unexpectedly hit a crack in a roadway! 🤕
Er...after seeing the linked video below, I've decided to skip buying a hoverboard and just get a regular, pedal it yourself bicycle with a little basket on the back to hold my groceries! 🫨
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Bessler unfortunately left us no drawings of his Draschwitz wheel which was constructed sometime during the autumn months of 1713. But, I managed to find this photo of a small wooden model of it made by someone for a German website owned by Alois Zimmermann. Most likely the supports for the wheel were not accurately recreated. For more stability they would have stretched from the floor all the way to an overhead ceiling beam where they would have been attached. The original full size wheel's drum was about 9 feet in diameter, was about 6 inches thick, and had a one piece wooden axle that stuck out about 1 foot on each side of the drum. The circular faces of both sides of the drum were covered with thin wooden slats to conceal its interior. The wheel reached a top speed, when running freely, of about 50 rpm's. When a rope was suddenly attached to a peg on its axle while turning at full speed, it could using a pulley located outside of the wheel's room hoist a 40 lb load of stones up ten or more feet before the wheel came to a stop. There were also three pegs on the other side of its axle that could continuously lift and drop three solid wooden stamps. Most likely the stone hoisting demonstration was not done while the wheel was running the stamping machine which could be disconnected from the axle. Bessler provides some hints about this wheel on AP page 47, GB pages 7 and 8.
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Thanks for that short recap of the Draschwitz wheel's details. Just as Larry Fine has been described as the "forgotten stooge" of the Three Stooges comedy team, I view the Draschwitz wheel as the "forgotten Bessler wheel". The lack of a drawing and all of the focus being on the earlier Gera wheel and the later bidirectional Merseburg and Kassal wheels made it so, imo. Btw. I think the axle of the model was not accurately made. It shows the stamps being lifted by six axle pegs and as you noted there were only three on the actual wheel's axle.
DeleteAnyone know how thick those wooden "slats" on the sides of the Draschwitz wheel's drum were?
DeleteIf the drum was 6 inches thick overall and the slats were, say, 0.25 inches thick each, then that means the space between the inside surfaces of the drum's two slat covered faces was only 5.5 inches. If the support ribs for the drum on both of its sides were, say, 0.5 inches thick, then that narrows the internal space available for his pm mechanics down to only 4.5 inches. Allowing a 0.25 inch clearance on each side of a lever to prevent rib to lever rubbing during drum rotation means that each lever was only about 4 inches wide. Everything inside of that wheel's drum must have very compactly fitted together. I realize that Bessler probably needed to make things that tight so he would not be accused of hoaxing his wheel by having some trained animal inside of the drum running around to make it turn.
I also recall reading somewhere that one of the slats on one of the drum's faces had a hole in it the size of a man's hand. Apparently Bessler claimed it was there so he could look inside the drum if its pm mechanics malfunctioned in some way to see where the problem was so it could be fixed. But, the interior of that drum must have been dark. He didn't have a flashlight available to him. How did he illuminate the interior to see where a problem might be? Also, when he located a problem, how did he fix it? I sounds to me that he would then have to access the section of the drum where the problem was by tearing off the slats covering it, fixing the problem, and then reattaching the slats again. That must have been a real pain to have to do! 😒 No wonder he came up with methods, like using pendulums, to slow down the top free running speeds of his wheels. The slower they turned, the longer they could run nonstop before some part failed and needed to be replaced. I think he solved the problem of having to remove and replace wooden slats by making sure the sides of the larger diameter Merseburg and Kassal wheel drums were covered with linen that had some sort of flaps in it that could be quickly opened and then closed again after making a repair by using pins to keep the flaps shut.
If the Draschwitz wheel's drum was 9 feet in diameter and only 6 inches thick, then it was 18 TIMES as wide as it was thick! It was like "wafer thin" and must have been a sight to behold!
I tried using Grok AI to make me a realistic looking photo of the Draschwitz wheel, but it kept screwing up the image. Here's the best that it could do after a half dozen tries. Not too bad except the drum is way too thick and needs its rim to be raised up about a foot to keep it from hitting the floor. Also, the boards covering the side of the drum don't look right. I don't think they were radial as shown. The two people, however, look good.
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I decided to let Grok give it another try. After another three attempts, this is the best it could do:
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The drum is still too thick, but at least the bottom now clears the floor! For some odd reason, it gave the face of the drum a slat pattern that looks like a parquet floor! I guess when they were training the LLM for Grok, it did not include Bessler's pm wheels!
C'est un exploit scientifique de trouver le principe scientifique régissant cette roue mais c'est aussi un exploit de trouver les solutions techniques et un exploit de la réaliser. C'est donc tout sauf facile, il ne faut pas croire les médisants et les jaloux, c'est réellement un exploit. Même si le principe scientifique peut paraître facile une fois compris, il est difficile du fait que cela déroge aux raisonnements habituels de l'éducation scientifique. De plus, n'oublions pas qu'on ne brevette pas la science mais des applications techniques et, qu'étant donné le caractère sulfureux de l'invention vis à vis des théories actuelles, cela nécessite un prototype pour appuyer le brevet. On ne peut pas en parler sans perdre ses droits, il faut attendre que le brevet soit déposé, c'est comme ça.
DeleteEn plus, pour mon cas, ce n'est pas qu'une découverte, c'est aussi une revanche contre certaines autorités scientifiques qui influencent les chercheurs au point de faire infirmer des observations correctes, au sujet des neutrinos supraluminiques et de l'anomalie Pioneer solution en mains, lesquels n'ont donc rien à envier à l'inquisition d'Urbain VIII. En conclusion, il faudra patienter jusqu'à un dépôt de brevet.
Ces mêmes inquisiteurs qui s'autoproclament "élus des sciences par droit divin au pays de l'oncle Sam" plantent aussi certaines inventions électriques sur-unitaires que les inventeurs ne peuvent expliquer correctement et que le public a beaucoup de mal à juger, ce qui ne sera pas le cas d'une roue de Bessler. Je me suis concentré sur ce problème qui est en fait la première invention sur-unitaire de l'histoire des sciences afin de débouter certains inquisiteurs des sciences de leurs chaires qu'ils ne méritent vraiment plus.
In English:
DeleteIt is a scientific feat to find the scientific principle governing this wheel but it is also a feat to find the technical solutions and a feat to achieve it. So it's anything but easy, you must not believe the gossipers and the jealous, it is really a feat. Although the scientific principle may seem easy once understood, it is difficult because it derogates from the usual reasoning of scientific education. Moreover, let us not forget that science is not patented but technical applications and, given the sulphurous nature of the invention with respect to current theories, this requires a prototype to support the patent. You can't talk about it without losing your rights, you have to wait until the patent is filed, that's how it is.
In addition, for my case, it is not only a discovery, it is also a revenge against some scientific authorities that influence the researchers to the point of having correct observations denied, about the supraluminal neutrinos and the Pioneer solution anomaly in hand, which therefore have nothing to envy to the inquisition of Urban VIII. In conclusion, it will be necessary to wait until a patent filing.
These same inquisitors who proclaim themselves "elected of science by divine right to the country of Uncle Sam" also plant certain over-unit electrical inventions that the inventors cannot explain correctly and that the public has great difficulty in judging, which will not be the case of a wheel of Bessler. I focused on this problem which is in fact the first over-unit invention in the history of science in order to dismiss some inquisitors of the sciences of their pulpits that they really no longer deserve.
I'm not sure what anon 08:50 is trying to tell us. Is he saying he's invented a working pm machine, but cannot reveal it because then he would not be able to patent it? He seems to be mad at the scientists or the patent office examiners or someone. Very confusing comment, he's posted here. I'm not sure if he's talking about his own invention or just Bessler's. 🤔
DeleteSince Grok was unable to make the Draschwitz wheel image for me that I wanted, I decided to try one of the new Chinese AI programs called "Qwen"! Surely those clever Chinese AI guys would have something that would work. NOPE! Here's the mess that their AI made out of it:
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Half of the axle disappeared and any mechs inside of the drum have been replaced with thick wooden spokes and cross bracing pieces. But, at least the drum thickness looks closer to 6 inches.
I give up!
Impressed by guys like Newton, Leibniz, and Bessler? You might find this contemporary of all of them far more impressive even though the average person has never heard of him!
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Thanks for the link, to an utterly amazing genius! It seems to me that these days so many extremely clever people are restricted in their output by the educational systems they are forced to follow. Few people achieve greatness outside their professional qualifications. Euler, Leibniz and Newton were each regarded as polymaths, examining what ever took their attention and publishing papers in widely diverse fields, making huge inroads into our collective knowledge. They were at liberty to study any field of research without being subjected to censorship.
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I wonder if Euler had heard of Bessler's wheels and, if he did, what he thought of them. FAWK, somewhere buried in all of his writings he had an analysis of them that gave the secret!
DeleteI asked ChatGPT if Euler would have heard of Bessler and his wheels. Here's part of its response:
Delete>Why Euler almost certainly knew about it
>The strongest evidence is indirect:
>Euler was trained by Johann Bernoulli, one of Bessler's most influential supporters.
>The Kassel wheel affair was one of the biggest mechanical controversies in northern Europe during Euler's youth.
>By the time Euler entered the Bernoulli circle in the 1720s, the debate was still recent and widely discussed among natural philosophers.
>It would be surprising if Bernoulli never mentioned Orffyreus to his star pupil.
However, Euler later wrote against perpetual-motion-style schemes:
>In his mature mechanics, Euler repeatedly analyzed proposals that attempted to generate motion or work without an external energy source. For example, he critically examined schemes relying on internal motions to produce net propulsion and showed why they could not work. This does not mention Bessler directly, but it shows that Euler was engaged with the broader perpetual-motion debate.
>He developed conservation-style reasoning and rigorous analytical mechanics that left very little room for the type of overbalanced wheel Bessler claimed to possess.
>What's interesting is that Euler was not dogmatic about perpetual motion in the modern thermodynamic sense—nobody yet had the First Law of Thermodynamics. Eighteenth-century scientists still debated whether some unknown natural principle might sustain motion. So even if Euler knew of Bessler, we cannot automatically assume he dismissed the claim outright.
>At the moment, I have not found a single documented Euler reference to Bessler. That absence is itself somewhat noteworthy given how famous the affair was.
My best guess is that Euler knew about Bessler and his pm wheels and was impressed enough by Bernoulli's enthusiastic support of them to keep an open mind about them. It would have been nice if Euler could have visited Weissenstein Castle and personally tested the 12 ft diameter bidirectional wheel there. But he was really a mathematical / philosophical type and not a hands on mechanical type. Maybe the best we can say is that he was a "closet believer" who preferred to remain silent about Bessler's pm wheels until their secret was finally revealed which, unfortunately, did not happen during Euler's lifetime.
Thanks guys, excellent comments and very interesting.
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