Saturday, 30 January 2016

Update - My Hypothesis is being Evaluated.

Owing to the imminent (I hope!) house move, my work on my wheel has been suspended for now.  Maybe I will return to it once we have moved. In the mean time, I have at last finished the document I was writing, in which I lay out in detail my hypothesis about how Bessler's wheel worked.

If I had anticipated what would it would take to describe what was in the wheel and how it worked and which bits related to Bessler's clues, and how many drawings I have to make, well,  I might have gone with the simpler idea of a video of a working wheel.  But that has not materialised to date, possibly because I am wrong but also due to my limited manufacturing skills and equipment.  Yes I know, plenty of excuses for not producing the required evidence!  So now I have put my money where my mouth is, or something to that effect.

I have sent copies of the document to two people for whom I have the utmost trust and respect, and they are attempting to find something positive in my ramblings.  Actually I have tried not to ramble too much about the hypothesis, cutting it down to a minimum and eliminating unecessary verbiage, and yet the result is a document barely contained in 35 pages with 21 illustrations.

This has given me pause for thought, it's amazing that Bessler managed to hide so much information inside two publications?  Of course I suppose you could more than halve my document because much of it has to relate to Bessler's clues and my interpretation of them.  I suspect that chapter 55 of Apologia Poetica contains the text which describes how his wheel worked and perhaps once his wheel has been proved by someone, work will begin in earnest to wrest the information from Bessler's coded version.  

So now I wait, and the longer it takes the better, in my opinion.  I don't want to hear that they have dismissed my hypothesis too easily, but I'm open minded about the result.  When you have obssessed about something for as long as I have, it's hard to get an objective view of the picture.  A fresh pair of eyes will doubtless see through the mass of speculation and find the truth - positive or negative, I don't worry any more.  It has actually been something of a relief to at last share what I know and ultimately get some feedback.

I'm 71 next Friday, a good day for good news!

JC

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  1. When do you think they will finish their evaluation?

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  2. Sharing with two anonymous individuals and not the public. Well time will tell but I suspect this will result in NO DISCLOSE. Another promise come and gone. Shame really.

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  3. John, it sounds like you are finally approaching some sort of "closure" on your hypothesis about Bessler's wheel mechanics. That's a good thing and I certainly hope the two people you have "utmost trust and respect for" will give you the optimistic response you want and need to receive. As always, I stand ready to model any mechanics you offer to see what its potential is. I'm currently doing the same with Malacky's "Sliding Pivot Lever Wheel" which provided a bit of excitement in the last blog. Unfortunately, my female associate has been hogging the PC I have the completed wm2d model of his wheel on all day now for her own projects and I have not been able to get near the computer to complete the promised testing. Hopefully, I'll get to it in another hour or so.

    Yes, one of the biggest headaches involved in presenting one's revelations concerning Bessler's secret imbalanced pm wheel secrets is justifying how one arrived at them. That immediately gets one into his particular interpretations of the various clues found in Bessler's writings. Unfortunately, there can be much, much debate about the mostly subjective interpretation of those clues and even whether or not they are really clues. Ultimately, all clue interpretations can only be verified if those interpretations lead to a working physical model or, as in my case, a working, glitch free simulation that then leads to a working physical model. Without that one really has just another bunch of unsubstantiated opinions that will tend to get lost in the ocean of others that continually slosh about the internet. I'm really hoping you do have something real this time even if I do not currently believe it is what Bessler had (and there is, imo, a chance, incredibly small as it might be, that I could be wrong and will, as a result of seeing an accurate evaluation of your approach, become one of its strongest supporters!).

    This year of our Lord 2016 will, I feel, be the year of closure for this three centuries old enigma, the year that a plausible solution will be found and publicized. Good heavens! I just noticed that if one takes the year 2016 and divides it by the year of Bessler's birth or 1680, it exactly equals 1.2! In theological esoterica, the number 12 has special significance. There were 12 tribes of Israel, Jesus had 12 apostles, there are 12 zodiacal constellations, there were 12 Greek gods on Mount Olympus, and Bessler's largest wheels were exactly 12 feet in diameter! Yes, yes, yes...this year of 2016 must be "the" year a solution is offered. The heavens demand it!!!

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    1. I'm still a bit stunned from that number 12 revelation above. Consider that Bessler made the discovery of the design that worked in the 12th year of the 18th century or 1712. After making sure he finally had "it" and his 3 foot diameter prototype worked, he then constructed a one larger 4.6 foot diameter, 4 inch thick version that he made available for public display in his rented home in Gera, Germany. That wheel was first shown on June 6th of 1712. June is the 6th month of a year and when we add the 6th day to it we get 6+6=12. The most important duration test of his 12 foot diameter Kassel wheel takes place at Weissenstein Castle and begins on November 12th, 1717. Rather interesting coincidences.

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  4. I am sorry to read that the finishing touches to your wheel have to be put off. Best of luck for a smooth and happy move.

    I am very glad to read that you have finished writing out your Hypothesis.

    I do hope that the two people that have the privilege of first viewing don't dawdle in getting their review back to you. I know that it will take some time to absorb and evaluate that much information. I truly wish for your birthday that you will have received happy returns. :)

    When the time comes, will your Hypothesis be published openly and freely, or will you be publishing it as a for-sale book ?

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    1. Thanks Mark. I don't know about the timing yet, but if my theories are supported then it will be published freely on one or more of my web sites and doubtless many others. But the people checking my design plan to build a proof of principle wheel first so it may take a short while but I'll probably post some more information here once I know the result.

      JC

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  5. OK, very good. And thanks again, I appreciate the additional information.

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  6. Looks like John removed that spam post pushing a site that sells disc brakes for bicycles or something like that. I was just going to say that equipping one's pm wheel with disc brakes might not be such a bad idea after all. I mean, if it develops a lot of torque and really takes off, then one will need some way to limit its speed lest it tear itself asunder from centrifugal forces. The only problem I can see with using disc brakes, however, is that the wheel had better be very rigid and structurally strong. If it has most of its weight near the rim and is speeding along and one then has a small disc brake surround the axle that is suddenly applied, then the radial supports of the wheel are going to experience a lot of flexing as the brake slows the axle down relative to the outer, more massive portions of the wheel. Any flimsy construction might fail under those conditions. Bessler, apparently, used some sort of "bolt" that, when tightened, would apply drag to one of the axle pivots to slow his wheels down. That's not exactly a disc brake and, because of the high torque at the pivot, would prevent the axle from just locking up. Tightening the bolt on his wheel, which was located on one of the vertical supports, could only create drag that would slowly decelerate the wheel. I'm wondering if he used a bolt made from a softer that steel metal like brass or bronze so that most of the wear would be on the bolt and he would not wind up cutting a groove into the steel axle pivot (btw, my calculations indicate each of those pivots weighed about five pounds).

    Update: I've reached my wm2d model #1442 and am now trying a lever end weight mass and lever mass combination I've not tried before; again suggested by a new interpretation of some of the DT portrait clues. Last night I had just enough time to do 3.5 seconds of an unassisted test run of the model. So far, happily, I've gotten that "robust" acceleration I'm looking for. If it continues for another 10 seconds or until the wheel executes a full 45 degrees of rotation, then this is "it"! I should know by the end of tonight when I complete the testing. I've been at this stage many, many times before only to then become bitterly disappointed when my robust acceleration turned into another keel. With Bessler research, one is never sure if he's about to find "it" or if he's still a million miles away. The only assurance one can have is that, if he keeps moving, then he should be getting closer to success. Sort of like improving one's chance of winning a lottery prize by continuing to buy tickets for each drawing.

    @John: Now we have to wait for others to make physical models using your discovered principles before you release the information??? The problem with something like that is that if they say they tried building it and it did not work and, therefore, your hypothesis if erroneous, you may just conclude that they did not "do it right" and that their evaluations are therefore worthless. Then it will be time to find some new "utmost trusted and respected" builders and hope they can finally make it work. In other words, your search for validation could, potentially, become open ended and you may never publish what you think you've found regarding Bessler's wheel mechanics! Might you consider picking a certain date by which you will release the information no matter what its evaluation status is? How about June 6th of this numerologically significant year? Maybe others who see that information will then be able to do something with it that your trusted builders were not able to do. If that was to happen, then you would still be able to claim most of the credit for having cracked the secret of Bessler's wheels.

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  7. I'm not sure who came up with this image, but it is intended to provide the secret mechanism used in the Kassel wheel. The rotation is clockwise and the weights are near the rim at the top and then slide down along curved rods so the wind up near the axle by the time they reach the bottom. The curved rods have springs attaching them to the wheel's rim. How the weights are made to slide up again as they approach the zenith of the wheel is, unfortunately, not shown because they are covered by fabric. Anybody have any ideas as to how it's supposed to work?


    http://www.quanthomme.info/energielibre/machines/orffyreuswessenstein.jpg

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    1. Ken,
      the wheel runs anticlockwise, at 3 O'clock to 12 O'clock, the weight slides inwards, and is locked in place by the spring loaded straight rod.
      At 9 O'clock, the spring at the hub end of the curved rod bends, and releases the weight so it can slide outwards.
      You can just make out the hub spring on the curved arm at the 3 to 4 O'clock position.
      BTW you missed out the first "i" in weissenstein.

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      On second thoughts, the inner spring may bend before the 9 O'clock position.

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    3. @STEVO: The problem with your suggestion that the wheel turns anti or counter clockwise is that there are motion lines drawn on the trailing sides of the weights that indicate they are moving inward as the wheel turns clockwise. I do agree that those straight rods mounted to the rim on stiff springs play a role in locking the sliding weights into position on the ends of the curving rods near the axle. But, this scenario still does not explain how the sliding weights are moved back toward the rim on the cloaked ascending (left) slide of the wheel. Also, I'm wondering what those dark portions at the ends of the curving rods near the rim are supposed to be. They don't look like springs. This illustration is definitely mysterious and I don't recall ever seeing it before. I'm out of ideas at this point.

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    4. @STEVO: If the wheel is turning anticlockwise as you suggest, then this would mean that it is supposed to be driven by the torque from the weights which are on the left side and closest to the axle. Perhaps the reverse engineer of this design thought that if the weights on the right side were sliding along the curved rods that they would not be producing any clockwise torque on the wheel? If this is how it's supposed to work, then one would hear the weights impacting on the descending or left side, but the sounds would be near the top of the wheel. Interestingly, this design might be capable of two-directional motion by using two opposed wheel with the one undergoing retrograde motion having all of its sliding weights locked into position near the axle. It's obvious to me that whoever came up with this put a lot of thought into the design. The question is what happens to the torque of those sliding weights on the ascending or right side. Unless it is reduced because of the sliding motion, this design can not work. I'm again tempted to try simulating it.

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    5. @ Ken,
      if you click on the link under the drawing, and then click page 6, there's an explanation of how it works, at the bottom of the page.
      It is in French though, but it looks like the weights are bounced between two springs.

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    6. As Mr. Spock would have said, "Fascinating." I found the page you mentioned, STEVO, and this design for Bessler's secret imbalanced pm wheel mechanics was done by someone named "J. Hackenberger" in March of 2007. As I thought, the rotation is supposed to be clockwise and, as you note, the weights are supposed to slide along the curving rods and then lock into place near the axle as they reach the 6 o'clock position of the wheel. As they do that, they compress a spring near the axle. They stay locked against the axle until they reach the 12 o'clock position and then, as their weight further compresses the spring, the rod that latches them into place is retracted by its own spring. Finally, as a weight passes the 12 o'clock position, its axle spring expands and sends it sliding along the curving rod until it encounters another spring near the rim which then causes it to rebound during its descent on the right side of the wheel to begin the process all over again as it approaches the 6 o'clock position. I'm not sure if this design would be self starting.

      Here's a crude Google English translation of the page you mentioned containing a more detailed diagram of the mechanics which is located at the bottom of the page:

      https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=fr&u=http://moteur-hackenberger.over-blog.com/page/6&usg=ALkJrhjDQQtmDYtr0Au3ifMHbQGTmloAvQ

      Now, here's something that should make everyone's hair stand on end. Below the diagram he made of his "engine" he writes:

      "Alongside the study of my engine, I was led to "study the Bessler wheel, said wheel of Orffyreus, thinking she had similarities with my invention.

      There are some days I have been fortunate to find an engraving time revealing much of the internal mechanism of the last wheel that Bessler built, Kassel, in the presentation of the gardener of the castle of Weissenstein, before it is transported inside the castle at the request of the landgrave of Hesse-Kassel, and modified by the addition of a second pendulum."

      Unless I'm mistaken about this, he appears to be saying here that "his" design agrees with an engraving he came across made of the internal mechanics of Bessler's Kassel wheel before it was moved from a garden shack to the castle! Of course, this is not correct because Bessler did not build his wheel outside in a shack located on the grounds of the castle, but, rather, inside in a room where tools were stored including various gardening tools. That room, IIRC, was referred to as the "Tool Room" or something like that. Bessler did, however, at the count's request, disassemble the huge wheel and move it to another room in the castle to allay suspicions that Bessler had rigged some hidden mechanism in its original location to power it.

      So, the question remains: Is it even remotely possible that J. Hackenberger could have found a genuine engraving showing the secret imbalanced wheel mechanics of Bessler's wheels or is the image I first linked to just a photoshopped image made from one of the DT illustrations into which he inserted the mechanics that he thinks Bessler may have used? The image of the engraving he provides certainly looks like something that Bessler could have done.

      He also seems unaware that the Kassel wheel was two directional when he writes:

      "Contrary to what has been written that or there, the wheel Weissenstein was unidirectional, unlike the wheel of Merseburg, which itself was two-way, and that turned to 42 rpm instead of 26 rpm of the Weissentein wheel, and whose mechanism was necessarily different."

      Then, finally, at the very bottom of his page, he proudly announces:

      "The mystery of the one-way wheel Bessler is solved, after 290 years of research!"

      Most curious!

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    7. Not trusting the Google translation, I decided to take the French text in question and see how another translator site would handle it. Here's what a site called www.Reverso.net did with it:

      "A few days ago, I was lucky enough(had the opportunity) to find an engraving d time(period) revealing a large part of the internal mechanism of the last wheel which Bessler built, Kassel, in the discount(delivery) of the gardener of the castle of Weissenstein, before she is transported inside the castle at the request of the landgrave of Hesse-Kassel, and modified by the addition of the second pendulum."

      Their more accurate translation agrees with my earlier interpretation. Hackenberger claimed to have found an engraving from Bessler's time that showed Bessler's internal imbalanced pm wheel mechanics! Well, I'd like to know the details of how and where he found this engraving!

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    8. Ken, if I can help for translation :
      "j'ai eu la chance de trouver une gravure d'époque" simply means : "I was lucky enough to find an ancient drawing" (a drawing made long ago, not necessarily in Bessler's time).
      "la dernière roue que Bessler construisit, à Kassel, dans la remise du jardinier du château de Weissenstein" : "the last wheel Bessler built, in Kassel, in the shed of the gardener of Weissenstein castle" ("une remise" is a cabin where tools are kept).
      "avant qu'elle ne soit transportée à l'intérieur du château" : "before it (the wheel) was brought inside/into the castle".

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    9. Michel,
      thanks for the translation, like you say, the drawing may be old, but not from Bessler's time.
      The lines indicating movement seem to me to be a modern idea, usually accompanied in cartoons with the word SWOOOSH !

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    10. The drawing not from Bessler's time?! It's obviously the Kassel wheel which, to me, means it definitely is from Bessler's time and, most likely, if genuine, done by Bessler himself. In reading the rest of his site, it's obvious that J. Hackenberger has come up with various perpetual motion machine designs. But, when someone claims they have "found" a previously unknown illustration done by Bessler, that gets my attention. He's either telling the truth or hoaxing. Either he found a genuine engraving that nobody else has seen before and his design is based on it or he came up with his design first and then tried to get some attention for it by inserting it into a photoshopped image of one of the wheel illustrations in DT. I tend to lean toward the latter view because the design he presents is not what I believe Bessler used. Also, from reading his material about Bessler, it looks like he is basing it upon the material that Frank Edwards wrote about Bessler which most have dismissed as being erroneous. That being said, however, I must admit I found his design interesting and unique.

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    11. Ken, my opinion is that this drawing is probably a fake, made from an authentic DT drawing modified by J. Hackenberg.
      1. This guy actually never tells us where he found this "gravure d'époque",
      2. furthermore, as Stevo noticed, the short lines evoking movement are surely not "d'époque", but are more comix style,
      3. last but not least: if it was a genuine drawing, no doubt that John would have already found it, somewhere, during his long search!

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    12. @Michel: First, thanks for your excellent translation above. Second, yes, it's probably a hoax for the reasons you've listed. It would not be the first "stretching of truth" with regard to the Bessler story. Frank Edwards implied in his writing that the description he gave of the mechanics of Bessler's wheels came from Count Karl's personal diary! No one other than he, however, has ever seen such a document. With Hackenberger we have someone who directly claims to have found a previously unknown engraving done by Bessler.

      This is not the first such fake I've seen in regard to Bessler's wheels. I know of several hoaxed images which were made using the Merseberg wheel illustrations. One showed a cat running along the inside rim at the bottom of the wheel to propel it and the other a set of weighted levers that flopped over to the descending side as they passed the 12 o'clock position. The person who made these fakes, however, was quick to identify them as such before anybody went to the trouble of trying to duplicate what was shown. There was, however, a case of a fake Bessler wheel years ago that created somewhat of a stir on the various free energy sites. The person who made the fake was a religious man and those reading that he had a model wheel continuously running naturally believed he must be telling the truth. Many people then attempted to duplicate his design, but none could get one running no matter how accurately they duplicated it. Finally, he admitted he had lied about the whole matter. While it was nice that he finally came through with the truth, he was harshly rebuked for his deception. I was one of the few that found some good in what he had done, but it was not enough to remove the stigma from him. I said that while I had to condemn his hoaxing, it did, however, stimulate others into trying to build a physical model, some for the first time, and the experience gained from that could benefit them in the future and that, perhaps, his failed design might also motivate them to look for alternative approaches that might work.

      Anyway, despite these occasional hoaxes, we should not, imo, close our minds to the possibility that new evidence concerning the Bessler story may become available. John has done an excellent job in popularizing the life and works of Bessler, but we must keep in mind that we still only have a fraction of the information concerning him. There are many blanks left in the historical record. Some of those blanks may never be filled in and others may only after still existing information is finally found and publicized. While I believe that we already have sufficient information to duplicate his wheels, there is always the slight possibility that there could be some previously unseen illustration, test observation, newspaper account, or personal letter somewhere that might significantly expand our present understanding of Bessler's wheels. Even better translations of currently known material might make a positive difference. I try to keep an open mind about this possibility.

      Update: I've made it to model #1446 and, once again, I'm getting a bit excited. The counter balancing of my model wheel's weighted levers from the drum's 9 to 3 o'clock positions is absolutely perfect. I think I've got the rope connections from what I call the shifting lever (actually the 7:30 lever) correct or very close to being correct. As a result, when the sim is run using a motor to force the rotation through 45 degrees, all of the levers seem to be shifting flawlessly together. What really counts, however, is how they appear to the Earth's gravity field and, unless that is correct, the center of mass of all of the weights and levers involved will not stay on the drum's descending side throughout the segment of rotation so that the wheel will be self-starting and running without a motor assist. I've scheduled a test for later today and am hoping and praying that this is, finally, "it".

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  8. John,
    everybody seems to have forgotten,
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! and many more of them.
    Once again, good luck with the move, and good luck with the evaluation.

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  9. Happy Birthday, John! Hope the move isn't too stressful.

    An update for me. I'm now using Autocad Inventor for the wheel. Total 3D design, dynamic simulation, and FEA (finite element analysis) for complete building and testing on the computer. It is SERIOUS software, and I'm glad I had some previous 3D CAD experience in the past. Plus, still doing a few things in the shop, but the Inventor will take much, if not all of the work away from trial and error.

    My best to all!

    Hutch

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  10. Yes, before I forget...Happiest of Birthdays John!

    Hmmm...been trying to figure out the numerological significance of being 71 today which is Friday, 2/5/2016. Well, 71 is close to 72 and 72 just so happens to be the radius, in inches, of Bessler's Merseberg and Kassel wheels. This could mean that you are close to finding the secret of Bessler's wheels! The second month, 2, and fifth day, 5, sum to 7 and the last two digits of 2016 are 1 and 6 which also sum to 7. Seven is considered a very lucky number in numerology and also in the dice games played in casinos worldwide. This indicates you will have unusually good luck this year as you pursue the secret of Bessler's wheels. Also, 7 x 7 = 49 whose digits sum to 13 which is a number associated with divinity. Bessler was into religion and this is also an indication that you may make some progress with your analysis of the various religious clues he left. 7 + 7 = 14 and the ruler shown in the second DT portrait just happens to be 14 inches long! This could mean that you will find some vital clues in the second DT portrait which will help you find the secret of Bessler's wheels.

    All in all, having your 71st birthday on this day is most propitious for your Bessler research in this particular year!

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  11. Thanks again guys, for your kind birthday wishes. I had a great day, 71 now, but I still feel about 20 years younger!

    JC

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  12. John,
    I found this website using your info for their case studies, don't know if it's legal.
    http://annenbergclassroom.org/page/everything-you-know-is-wrong-2-beliefs-and-behavior

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    1. I notice that Jessica Henig's "Exercises" for students includes one on how they can recognize the difference between science and pseudoscience. Under "Materials" for that exercise she then lists what she considers to be a collection of typical pseudoscientific websites and one of them is a link marked "Johann Bessler's Gravity Wheel". When the student clicks that link he is taken to one of John Collins' websites!!!

      Just what John needs to learn during what should be a happy time for him. It's really amazing the amount of disparagement we Bessler pm chasers must endure from those who are apparently ignorant of the details of Bessler's history and inventions.

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    2. Wow Stevo, good find. I guess any publicity is good, and you never know we might inveigle one their students to our cause! How cool would that be?

      Ken, I don't worry about their disparagement, although I was tempted to write asking them what they would do if Bessler's wheel was prove genuine!

      JC

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    3. None the less Ken, soon they will be proven wrong!
      The law that says perpetual motion is impossible will have to be changed.

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    4. John,
      glad you're not upset, I found it by accident, usually I use Yahoo to check on any new developments, because I like the way they divide things into sections.
      Images, youtube videos etc. Normally I type in something like "weird perpetual motion machines" or, fantastic, strange etc. Once in a while some thing new comes up in the "images" and I check it out.
      This time I thought I would try a different approach, I typed in "idiotic perpetual motion ideas" and voila !
      I wonder what all those students have been saying about us?

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    5. @STEVO: The vast majority of skeptics concerning pm usually know next to zero about Bessler and his wheels. Additionally, they usually know next to nothing about mechanics and physics. They believe that, since they were told on some "science" website that pm is impossible, they therefore immediately conclude that Bessler must have been a fraudster with a phony wheel. In a way we have to be forgiving toward them because they have literally been brainwashed into their opinions by others who were earlier brainwashed by others...and so on right back to Bessler's detractors in the early 18th century! Rarely will any of them look deeper into the subject which, I believe, if they did they would, like us, become firm believers in the man and his inventions and stop trying to portray pm chasers as being delusional time wasters. Hopefully, one day they will wake up to reality and join us; however, that probably won't happen until we've finally successfully reverse engineered his wheels and working physical models begin to appear. Even then, the more hard boiled skeptics will still refuse to believe that pm is possible and that any claims of such must be bogus. Heck, there are still people out there who don't think the US moon landings took place! Recently, I even interacted with a guy who was trying to convince me that the Earth was hollow and there were giant opening at its poles through which one could, by plane, fly into its interior! Now beliefs like that are, imo, definitely pseudoscience.

      Has the pursuit of pm been a complete waste of time? Well, obviously, not for Bessler if we discount his failure to find a buyer for his wheels. But, generally, the answer is "no, not entirely". During much of the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries, the vain quest for pm actually helped jump start the various branches of engineering. Indeed, it was because of the general failure of this quest that scientists began to conceive of the Law of Conservation of Energy also known as the First Law of Thermodynamics. Failures leading to something that is valid? How can that be one might ask? Well, as Edison once noted, paradoxically we can often learn more from our failures than from our successes. It was only after a decade of failures that Bessler, with a great stroke of luck and much persistence, finally found the success he was looking for. With the same overdue stroke of luck and similar effort, I'm confident that his working design will be found again in this year.

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  13. I repeat Ken, soon they will be proven wrong!
    The law will have to be re-written.

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  14. Things have been a tad slow around here of late. Here's some pm related stuff I found that might help stimulate discussion:

    Just when we think that only Bessler ever built a working wheel, along comes this one that, apparently, is still in existence. Like Bessler's wheels, it's a product of highly skilled craftsmanship. I suspect that it's really just a Fludd type recirculation mill that uses small ball bearings instead of water to operate. Due to the wheel's precise balance, it runs because, at any instant, the mass of the descending balls is just slightly greater than that of the ascending balls. It will run only as long as there are any balls left in the supply tray above the wheel. Apparently, the grandfather mentioned in the article had it running for up to 48 hours once. Impressive, but not perpetual enough to truly be proclaimed as Bessler type pm.


    https://thelibrary.org/lochist/periodicals/bittersweet/su83h.htm


    Here's an example of John's favorite pm principle: kiiking. It's sort of like kiiking for those afraid of heights! Note how the rider leans away from the center of rotation on the descending side, but leans in toward the center on the ascending side. Of course, it is the rider's expenditure of his bodily energy (and the mass associated with it) that accelerates the dish shaped wheel. The trick Bessler discovered was how to extract the energy associated with the mass of the lead weights in his wheels and use it to accelerate his wheels. A trick we must duplicate if we are to have success.

    https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!AP9XwFkz3CitGks&cid=310CC54AB07E579F&id=310CC54AB07E579F!949&parId=310CC54AB07E579F!606&o=OneUp

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    1. Nice finds Ken. I particularly appreciate the low-leverl kiiking demonstration!

      JC

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  15. Short on time and money and need to get a permanent magnet motor running in a hurry? No problem. Here's a quick DIY magnetically propelled device you can build in about 20 minutes if you have the easily available parts on hand. It has a bit of resemblance to that kiiking dish I found a video of above and, apparently, that feature is important to its operation.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQ66GtA0wg



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  16. Okay, let me try this again...

    I just uploaded my first video to youtube! No, it does not provide the solution to the Bessler wheel mystery (yet!), but, rather, deals with another topic of great interest to me: UFOs. The video is about 3 minutes in length and I threw it together after discovering that my previously owned Toshiba "Satellite" laptop came with a super easy to use program installed called "Windows Live Movie Maker". It took about two hours to make. If it gets positive feedback, I will consider doing more on other topics as well. Anyway, I discuss the subject of gravity in the video and that may be of interest to anybody interested in building wheels that require gravity for their operation. Here's the link to my first youtube video:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNKZhBiWFP8&feature=youtu.be

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    1. Well, my first youtube video has only been up and running for about 12 hours so far and I've already gotten 27 views and 3 Thumbs Up's! There's even some mention of putting ads on it that could bring me some $$$'s!!! Well, I don't expect to get rich off of any of this and that's not my primary reason for posting on youtube. Just fooling around with that Windows Live Movie Maker program I found. But, of course, making a few dollars along the way is nice and can help fund future book publications. Already, I'm starting to get an idea for another video! It won't be on UFOs, however. Stay tuned for further developments.

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  17. Well it's been a couple of weeks now since your announcement John.

    Your work didn't pass the first test “It is so simple a carpenter’s boy could make it, if he was allowed to study it for five minutes". I know you claim Karl's statement was incorrect, that Karl simply didn't know what he was looking at, but you can't change the facts to fit your idea of how the wheel worked. The interior of the machine was simple and Karl was amazed that no one had thought of it before. No build should be necessary to confirm the principle.

    Of course if you shared your idea with the posers at www.besslerwheel.com, you know the ones, with their greenies and their treatises, that know with absolute certainty that everyone else's ideas are not correct, but haven't been able to lift as much as a dropping from a fleas ass, then I can see why your idea hasn't been confirmed.

    I'm sure we will be hearing something any day now. lol

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    1. I suggested that Karl might not have been able to understand some subtle features of the design which would not have been apparent simply from watching the mechanism in action. I didn't "claim that Karl's statement was incorrect", I simply suggested the possibility.

      Your sarcasm is noted and I look forward to your apologies in a few weeks

      JC

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    2. I agree that knowing something is "simple" and also knowing all of the technical details of it are two different things. Count Karl only paid Bessler the four thousand thaler fee for the privilege of looking at the mechanics of his 3 foot diameter prototype in operation and, perhaps, even being allowed to test it himself. However, there is no way, imo, that Karl could have understood the finer details of the design just be looking at it. He would have had to have been supplied with a detailed schematic by Bessler that gave all the parameters of the parts and also described how the torques were changing among a wheel's weighted levers. That information would have been far more detailed than anything found in MT and would have been reserved for a buyer who had paid the full 100,000 thaler price in order to purchase the invention.

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    3. Sorry Ken, based on the the design elements you have shared over the last few years, your wheel is about as complex as one can imagine, so your idea and beliefs MUST be immediately disqualified. There is no denying you have done an incredible amount of work, but what your design lacks is the prime mover, and the potential of power exhibited by the Bessler wheel.

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    4. John, no sarcasm or disrespect intended towards you. I admire you greatly and I think your efforts have kept the Bessler story alive, and without you, the wheel would likely have been lost to history. You may very well have found 'the' solution, or 'a' solution. You certainly are deserving of praise for everything you have done.

      I suppose my beef is with the posers, as I like to call them, at www.besslerwheel.com. That site (now) is nothing but an embarrassment to the cause. Rather than supporting one another regardless of approach, they berate and disrespect one another, using foul and demeaning words. It's amazing how they 'know' what doesn't work, but they don't have a clue as to what does work.

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    5. "Sorry Ken, based on the the design elements you have shared over the last few years, your wheel is about as complex as one can imagine, so your idea and beliefs MUST be immediately disqualified."

      If you saw what I'm working on, I think you agree it's rather "simple". It does rely upon a system of ropes for "coordination", but they are placed into different layers inside the drum. The problem I wrestle with now is finding the correct ratio of weight and lever masses that Bessler used. Unless these are exact, the design only keels. But, sooner or later, I will stumble upon the correct combination and should find success. Agree that John should be praised for keeping the Bessler story alive.

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  18. Hello, John.
    Isn't it easier to build the machine and see if it works, instead of asking some "happy few"/"chosen ones" what they think of your principle?

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    1. I explained that I'm in the process of moving house at present and all my stuff is packed away. I don't have a new house to move to, and we are staying with my daughter until it materialises. Also although the design is not complicated I'm finding it difficult to build.

      Sharing my information has revealed a glitch in my design which I managed to solve - it was a real forehead-slapping moment and one which I feel I might have missed if I either published the hypothesis as it was - or tried to build it. People would have dismissed my design quite rightly. Anyway I'm sending the corrected drawing to my reviewers and hopefull things will now progress.

      JC

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    2. The wheel should consist of two parts, an OB wheel, and a prime mover (MT15). Your wheel can be as simple or complicated as you want depending on how complex you make the OB part. The primer mover part is the key, and that is what you need to disclose. It should be relatively easy to discern whether that part of the design is credible and workable. Give this some thought.

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    3. Maybe the wheel is its own prime mover; that is, it is both mover and moved at the same time.

      @John: Don't feel too bad about that "glitch" in your design. Einstein was bitterly disappointed when an expedition to photograph the positions of stars surrounding the blacked out Sun during an eclipse failed to obtain any images. He hoped that when the positions were shifted by a certain angle his new theory predicted, it would prove to the world of science the validity of his General Theory of Relativity. Only a few months after the failed expedition, he rechecked his calculations and realized that he had made a big math error and predicted shift angles that were double what they should have been. If the expedition had gotten the images and measurements were made showing the big discrepancy, his theory would have suffered a major blow and, possibly, would have been dismissed as completely erroneous. The message from this is that one must be very careful before making predictions in the world of science. One must be very certain he has something real before he publishes it.

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    4. "One must be very certain he has something real before he publishes it." That's why I haven't published yet even though I'm certain.

      JC

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    5. To anon: agreeing with you, I just add that, in my opinion, the prime mover should always be balanced, in each position of the wheel. But for staying balanced, this prime mover must act on the wheel so that this wheel gets unbalanced.
      In short:
      Prime mover's balance-keeping compels the wheel to unbalance.

      To John: light often shines when seen by fresh eyes.

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    6. Yes, that seems to be nmy experience Michel.

      JC

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    7. Very nicely put, Michel. In my version of Bessler's wheel mechanics, it is the ascending side levers which are the prime movers. As the drum rotates they try to maintain their balance and in so doing shift and overbalance the rest of the levers so as to keep the center of mass of all of the levers and weights on the drum's descending side so as to provide continuous axle torque. As soon as the prime mover levers have done this and moved on around the axle, they then become the levers which will be shifted by the next set of ascending side levers to act as prime movers as they pass the drum's 6 o'clock position. Since each one way wheel contains eight weighted levers arranged in a circle around and near the drum's periphery, this switching of roles for the levers happens constantly throughout a single drum rotation. Yes, it seems so easy to understand, but finding the right combination of part parameters that will make it happen is, imo, one of the most challenging problems one can take on. Fortunately, Bessler left us some clues in the two DT portraits, but much, much study is required to extract them. I'm hoping I'll find success in this numerologically significant year of 2016.

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    8. The final key to all is "saturn sign", on its own interpretation.
      And "it" is also represented in tree of life, as Bessler want it to say in it's own way!

      Eastlander

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    9. The spinning figure skater effect (conservation of angular momentum) is not our friend so it should be clear which form the OB wheel part should take.

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    10. Centrifugal force is both a benefit and a detriment in Bessler's wheels. On the one hand it delays the inward swinging action of the prime mover levers on the ascending side which then then results in the center of mass of all of a one directional wheel's weights and levers dropping to a point almost directly below the axle at which time axle torque is just sufficient to equal bearing and air drag and a wheel's rotation rate would become constant. This beneficial action prevents the wheel from accelerating until the centrifugal forces are enough to tear the lever pivots out of their brass bearing pieces. The negative aspect of the centrifugal force increase acting on the weights and levers is that it decreases axle torque and power output as the wheel accelerates. This means that a one directional wheel will only have maximum torque when it is stopped.

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    11. How "things" can rise the weight to his maximum level and same time "pull" the spring to its maximum length, all with same movement!?

      Eastlander

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    12. The weights in Bessler's wheels didn't actually "rise" as most pm chasers assume. Once past the 9 o'clock position of a clockwise turning drum, the weights at the ends of their levers continuously moved closer to the rim. On the the ascending side they do rise a bit vertically (with the weight approaching the 10:30 position rising the most and the fastest, but on the descending side of the wheel they are actually dropping a bit as they each approach a wooden stop on the inside of the rim. However, all of the weights being shifted are each moving a little closer to the rim throughout a 45 degree segment of drum rotation. It is the continuous shifting of all of these "moved" weights along with the inward swinging "prime mover" weights that results in the center of mass of all of the weights and their levers remaining on the descending side of the wheel despite it rotation. Bessler actually a very simple approach to achieving an imbalanced wheel. But, as I've often mentioned, his mechanics requires precisely shaped parts and parameters in order to work. This is because the design only locates the center of mass of the entire wheel a fraction of an inch away from the center of the axle and onto the descending side. If the parameters are not just right, then, upon startup, the center of mass will quickly zip right over to the ascending side and the model will just keel as the center of mass oscillates back and forth between the ascending and descending sides of the wheel. I remain very firmly convinced that there is enough information contained in the two DT portraits to duplicate Bessler's marvelous achievement. However, decoding that information is most definitely not a simple matter. I continue to work away at it and have recently made a few new discoveries which I am now using to adjust my model wheels. My optimism remains high and I am confident that this will be "the" year that "the" answer is found.

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    13. All is simple than there can imagine, just look to the wheel and everyone realize, in "where" it is exactly represented. In coding is used cleverly "some" number(s), letter(s), words and drawings. DT portraits do not contain main clues, or there must be very good imaginetion to read out from there all.

      Eastlander

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  19. Update: I have reached model #1450 and still am only getting keels. It seems like it wants to work, but after the drum has rotated about a quarter of the way through its unassisted 45 degree test rotation, the ascending side prime mover levers just can't lose gravitational potential energy at a rate fast enough to shift the weighted levers ahead of the drum's 9 o'clock position. In other words, the system just conks out and then begins to keel at a critical point in the drum's rotation. I have tried many combinations of weight and lever masses, spring constants, and coordinating rope connection points on the ascending side levers to no avail. Then, when all seemed lost, I suddenly saw a possible solution to the problem.

    I need to take what gravitational potential energy is provided by my ascending side prime mover weighted levers and better distribute it to the single weighted lever that is moving between the drum's 9 and 10:30 positions. The method to do this is now obvious to me. I must move my shifting rope connection points to the 9 o'clock lever out farther from its pivot. Why this did not occur to me about 50 models or so ago is beyond me. Sometimes one has to just keep hitting his head against a granite wall before his brains get shook up enough to figure out another way of getting through the wall that is less headache producing! Next chance I get, I'll make a few patched on modifications to my ascending side levers and see if it makes the difference in performance that I think it will.

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  20. Apparently, no one told these Japanese school kids that the Bhaskara pm wheel does not work. But, they did an excellent job in trying to construct one and it almost looks like it wants to run. After viewing this short video several times, I wondered what would happen if one was to construct, say, nine separate wheels and then mount them on a common axle so that each one was rotated 5 degrees from its preceding adjacent wheel. In other words, use multiple wheels to try to make the shifting of the center of mass of their vials' sloshing liquid smoother and more continuous so that it would stay constantly on the descending side of the ganged wheels. I don't know if anybody has ever tried this approach, but something tells me it might work!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piAH9Lx6Sak

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    1. Very good start to make one!

      Eastlander

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    2. I just spent several hours trying to make simulate the effect of placing nine Bhaskara wheels on a common axle using wm2d. What I made was a horizontal row of nine individual wheels that were each advanced five degrees from the one previous to it. To make the common axle, I used the gear tool so that, if one wheel rotated in either direction, it would cause the others to also rotate in that direction. Instead of liquid sloshing about in vials, I used a square weight that would slide back and forth in rectangular frames made from long thin rectangles. In theory, the model should have worked, but, no matter how I tweaked the accuracy setting of the model, I could not get it to run at an acceptable speed even when there was a motor attached to one of the wheels. The problem was that the model just had too many moving parts in it and my laptop processor could not handle all of the calculations per frame in a timely manner (40 frames being required to simulate a single second of real time model motion for accuracy). So, although I failed to prove whether or not a ganged Bhaskara wheel would work, I still feel it's something that might have the potential to work when physically constructed. I'm thinking of taking another try at the wm2d model, but this time I'll use weights sliding in slots on the wheels in the hope that will speed up the simulation.

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    3. I tried it again using a 3 foot diameter wm2d model wheels with eight half pound round weights sliding in slots near each of their rims. It helped speed things up a little, but not enough to produce more than a fraction of a second of motion for all nine wheels. Therefore, my test results are "inconclusive". There are, unfortunately, many mechanisms that can not be readily simulated with wm2d. My 9 ganged Bhaskara wheels on a common axle is, apparently, one of them.

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  21. We discussed the infamous "Redheffer Hoax" a while ago and I just came across this nice little video recreation of the event. Skeptics tend to look at incidents like this and then generalize, falsely, that such would have been the case with Bessler. Of course, I have to disagree. This video is nice because of the period costumes although it does not give the details of how Redheffer claimed his wheel worked which is a bit more complicated.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjU39AWM8qM

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    1. For those curious as to how the Redheffer perpetual motion machine is supposed to have worked, here is a short video of the device that someone tried to recreate. Basically, the idea is that the large central wheel has two ramps attached to it. On each ramp a wedge shaped weight tries to slide down and, as it does, it applies a torque to a horizontal bar attached to a central shaft. That shaft goes through a hole in the large central wheel and drives some gearwork that then turns the large central wheel. This action then instantly moves the ramps against their wedge shaped weights so as to prevent the weights from ever sliding down the ramps. Certainly looks plausible to those unfamiliar with mechanical principles, but all that happens is that the weights simply apply equal and opposite forces to the horizontal bars and ramps. This assures that there is no net torque or motion in the system and, as the builder in this video demonstrates, the large central wheel will only work if an external torque is applied to it. As shown in the previous video above, that external torque was supplied by an old man turning a crank connected to a carefully hidden pulley system.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlASQatDfGU

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  22. I have some unexplained questions from past in the air. Have anybody some answer to those ... John maybe!?

    When Bessler's maid, Anne Rosine Mauersbergerin, testified to authorities that Bessler's wheel had been turned manually from its beginnings in Gera.
    Bessler, his wife, his brother Gottfried, and her had taken turns to rotate the machine.
    My question here is: Is there any information left, where was Bessler brother at that time?
    Could Besselr brother testimony "save" Bessler from this court!?
    Why there is not used opportunity to ask testimony from Bessler brother?
    (I know that all court was scam, but ...!?)

    Question two:
    Is there information left, from where Bessler got finances to build his Fürstenburg windmill, witch is not just small house?

    Thanks!

    Eastlander

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    1. Gottfried left to go to London with his wife, at around the time Bessler moved out of Kassel and went to Karlshaven. Gottfried did return later but there is no record of any questoning of him. Karl dismissed the accusations because he knew the truth. There was, therefoe no need to question Gottfried even if he had been there.

      He was commissioned to build the windmill by the local authorities in Furstenberg and received subsidies to help, but he did retain some money from his departure from Kassel when he was given five years salary.

      JC

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    2. Thanks a lot John!

      Eastlander

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  23. Update: I've had a major breakthrough in my analysis of the second DT portrait clues. This one involves those dividers Bessler holds in his left hand and holds against the globe. The clue it contains has led me to two possible models for his secret imbalanced pm mechanics. The different parameters in both can to an extent be justified by other clues in the portrait. Now I must do some very careful testing of the two models I've derived. At this point in time, I am very confident that one of them is "it". I should know in a day or two. I'm getting close to model #1500 and I'd like to have this research wrapped up before I hit that marker, if possible. I'm also in the process of beginning a book for publication in early 2017 on a different subject. But, if I find success in the next week or so with my Bessler research, I will delay that volume and immediately begin working on a volume containing "the" mechanics that my portrait clue analysis has led to. Feeling very optimistic at this point in time.

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    1. Just finished a lot of wm2d model testing and have eliminated one of the two "it" possibilities. Only one left to test and it could actually be "it"! But, I need a break and tomorrow is another day. My optimism remains high. If, however, the design fails, I will again check all of the DT portrait clues seeing if I missed or misinterpreted something. I am now at model #1459.

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      Eastlander

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    3. Maybe! However, as I study my final wm2d models, I'm impressed at how precisely they are balanced. Now I'm starting to wonder exactly how much lifting my ascending side "prime mover" levers actually do. I'm starting to think that, in reality, it's very little! It seems like they mostly just gently nudge all of the other levers from 9 o'clock on to the descending side of the wheel. Bessler wrote, if the translations are accurate, that the weights in his wheels were "coordinated". All that really means is that their motions, at any point in time, are locked into a certain relationship with each other which, obviously, is critical to keeping their center of mass on the drum's descending side so as to maintain axle torque. However, coordination, for a precisely balanced array of weighted levers, does not necessarily require a big transfer of lost gravitational potential energy from the ascending side prime mover weighted levers to the other levers that lead them. Now I'm starting to think that practically all of the gravitational potential energy lost by the ascending side weighted levers in Bessler's wheels was used to stretch their suspension springs. That is, their lost energy, as they swing in toward the axle during drum rotation, was mostly stored in their suspension springs. That energy was then used, later on, to both suspend the leading weights and, during drum rotation, move them slowly back toward their stops near the rim. It seems to me now that only a tiny amount of that energy was actually sent to the 9 o'clock weighted lever to directly lift it as it moved toward the drum's 10:30 position.

      I still have more testing to do on the final design I have. When I run it with an assisting motor, it works perfectly. But, anything will work perfectly if it's motor driven as all of the fake pm wheels shown on youtube amply demonstrate. The final design I have can only be considered "it" if it is both capable of self-starting and acceleration regardless of the rate of acceleration. Imo, if any design does not have those two properties then it is not what Bessler used. It could still be pm, but just not Bessler's kind. Stay tuned for further developments.

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  24. Hi Ken, like John are you 100% sure besslers wheel started spontaneously. Can you tell how or why?

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    1. Yes, I'm 100% sure that Bessler's one directional wheels were all self-starting. That applies to his first three wheels: his 3 foot diameter tabletop prototype, his slightly larger Gera wheel, and his 10.5 foot diameter Drashwitz wheel. When not being demonstrated, these wheels had to have their drums tied down.

      It was only his last two publicly demonstrated wheels: the 12 foot diameter Merseberg and Kassel wheels which were two directional. In these wheels, all he did was mount two separate one directional wheels on the same axle so that each was trying make the axle turn in the opposite direction from the direction that the other was trying to make it turn in. As a result, the center of mass of both wheels combined was located directly under the axle at the "punctum quietus" or equilibrium point and there was no net torque available to accelerate the drum in either direction. So how did he make this combination of two counterpoised wheels behave like a single one directional wheel?

      I eventually realized that all he needed to do was to give the drum of a two directional wheel a gentle push which would propel it through a fraction of a complete rotation. As this happened, whatever wheel was forced to counter rotate with respect to its preferred direction would begin to have its weights secured into place as they made contact with their wooden stops near the rim. This was accomplished with gravity activated latches and, after a counter rotating wheel had completed a full rotation, all of its weights would have been secured against their stops. When that happened, the center of mass of that wheel's weights was then located exactly at the center of the axle and could provide no torque to the axle. The remaining one directional wheel, however, now had its center of mass on the drum's descending side and was able to drive the drum in the direction the push had sent it. That remaining active wheel was then accelerating both the drum and the "dead" wheel next to it. I have the details of the latching system Bessler used to create this amazing effect and, while the design is very simple, it is a very creative solution to the problem of achieving two way rotation in a single drum. Unfortunately, the mechanism involved is very delicate and requires precise adjustment before it will reliably function.

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    2. I believe that anything that moves something else moved it, take an engine that runs on fossil fuel it still need's to be rotated by a outside force before it's capable of running itself. So maybe just maybe you'll got it wrong?

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    3. No, there were no "outside" forces needed to get Bessler's one direction wheels started. They were always self-starting and that is one of the consequences of having a center of mass that always stays on one side of a wheel's axle. An internal combustion engine requires an external starter motor to turn it initially in order to begin the detonations of the air / fuel mixture in its cylinders that will then provide the energy needed to continue running the engine and also the vehicle's wheels that are mechanically connected to the engine. In Bessler's one direction wheels, when stopped, the energy needed to help move the weights closer to their rim stops and thereby maintain their imbalance was already present in the stretched suspension springs attached to the levers from the drum's 9 o'clock position around to the descending side. That energy was already inside of the drum and did not need to be externally supplied. Those examining Bessler's wheels were always looking for some external power source, but never found any because there wasn't any. If they had been allowed to look inside of one of his wheels, they would have been looking for some sort of giant wound up mainspring like in a clock, but they would not have found any. All they would have found would have been the stretched helical suspension springs attached to the levers. Those springs were always being stretched every time a lever moved from the 6 to 9 o'clock positions of the drum. But what supplied the energy need to stretch those springs?

      It was supplied as the weights on those levers swung in toward the axle while moving from the drum's 6 to 9 o'clock positions and lost some of their gravitational potential energy and the mass associated with that energy. That "lost" energy and mass was then transferred to the springs for later use when they passed the 9 o'clock position and began moving toward the descending side of the wheel. In other words, Bessler's wheels worked somewhat like clocks that could wind themselves up! But they used the energy contained in the mass of their weights and levers to do so. Thus, we see that his wheels were not somehow creating energy out of nothing and therefore violating the 1st law of thermodynamics. They were just tapping an energy source they already contained. Of course, the scientists of the 18th century would not have had the concepts necessary to understand what was happening. Based on the limited physics they understood, Bessler's wheels were a physical impossibility, yet they could not deny the results of their tests. His wheels were performing external work and, to them, that meant they either had to have an outside or an inside source of energy which would need to be periodically replenished. But, they could find none outside of a wheel and the mathematician Christian Wagner had concluded that Bessler must have been using one or more wind up clock mainsprings inside of the wheel like Wagner had used in a fake wheel he constructed and that would then mean even Bessler's biggest wheel could not run continuously for more than a few days at most. The 58 day duration test at Weissenstein Castle proved Bessler's wheels were not being powered by mainsprings in need of being manually rewound every few days. Bessler's wheels, however, did have an internal power source, the energy contained in the mass of their lead weights, that still needed to be occasionally replenished. But, that replenishment only had to take place once every several hundred million or even billions of years! For all practical purposes, one can consider Bessler to have invented a perpetual motion wheel as long as one is not to fussy about his definition of the word "perpetual".

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    4. can I ask, does everyone on this blog believe the wheel started spontaneously

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    5. Bessler said his wheel started spontaneously. So you either believe his words or you don't. Our thoughts and opinions are irrelevant.

      Two extracts from JC's translation of AP that allude to the self starting nature of his wheel.

      (1) For I put together the very first device which could spontaneously revolve a little. I saw that I had finally made the right choice, and why the earlier ones had been wrong. My heart leapt for joy at the sight of this genuine Mobile.

      (2) So it was that at the house of the Richters (On the hill called
      Nickelsberg) in the year 1712 I achieved the discovery of the
      wondrous device that has amazed the world so much. My industry
      was spared the curses which accompanied the earlier efforts. The
      machine stood 3 feet high, and was mounted in such a fashion that
      anyone could walk all around it. On unfastening a bolt, the wheel
      immediately began to revolve.

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  25. Yes, unidirectional... it start's itself!

    Eastlander

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  26. If you can conceive a system without any balanced position, you can assert for sure this wheel will start spontaneously.

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    1. And, I might add, if the imbalance is maintained as the wheel rotates, it will accelerate and steadily increase its rotation rate.

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  27. Hello, Mr. Collins.

    I think your "Pentagon theory" about Bessler's clues is wrong. Please, read this below retired from http://orffyre.tripod.com/bessler/id41.html . I think that Bessler wanted to use "5" or "55" for making reference to Chapter 55 from the his book "Apologia Poetica" the book in which he included the clues for constructing his Wheel. I'm just trying to help you in your research.

    I have put eight heavy weights in my machine, which represents eight planets of our world. The large axle of my machine represents the sun. Heavy weights in my machine encircle around the axle to form an elliptical path, in the similar manner, as planets encircle around the sun. Whilst moving around axle, they recede and come closer to the center. They balance against each other and impart motion to the wheel.’ Orffyreus explained further.

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    1. Anonymous, your getting warm

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    2. In Bessler's time, from an Earthcentric view, there were only five known planets.

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    3. 8 weights per one directional wheel is good and the approach Bessler used. Getting the ascending side weights to move a little closer to the axle is also good. The problem is finding the additional energy necessary to keep raising the center of mass of all of the weights and levers at a rate that exactly equals the rate at which the rotating wheel is trying to lower them. Unless that is done, the design will only keel. That energy requires one use a specially shaped lever that is suspended from a spring with a particular constant depending upon the weight and lever mass used. Additionally, the levers must be interconnected by ropes of a precise length to "coordinate" them. From what I am seeing in the models I am working with, there are about two dozen factors involved in the design that Bessler used. Those factors are given in the two DT portraits, but it requires a lot of study to be able to extract the data they contain. If my latest interpretation of some incredible clues in the second portrait is correct, then my current wm2d model should be "it"! I'll try to finish the testing of it later tonight.

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    4. Well I just love how someone without a working wheel and without a shred of evidence claims John's pentagon theory is wrong.

      Tell us what of yours works (and show some proof) and stop telling us what of ours doesn't work (which you can't prove).

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    5. There must not take all clues by their direct meaning. Some of them are like metaphor ... like planets (look to planets and their ....)
      As some clues, as I see now, are totally direct ones, like - 5, sun, snowflake, raindrop, dog with his kennel, peacock tail, cat plays with mouse, thresher with his ...
      I have tried to find out mistakes in my simulations, but beside this I have found only answers to clues ...!

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    6. Anon, I fear you are taking Dr Ramesh's web site too literally. His published discussions are entirely imaginary and there is no documentary evidence that such conversations took place. There would have to be a court recorder on hand to take down the details of such extensive dialogues!

      You seem to be under the impression that I have not discussed the idea that 'Bessler wanted to use "5" or "55" for making reference to Chapter 55 from the his book "Apologia Poetica"'. Far from it, I have repeatedly included this idea in many places and many times.

      In fact I am absolutely certain that was the intention behind Bessler's use of the number 55, and 5. Why would he choose those numbers if not because it was also intrinsic to his wheel design?

      While I'm pleased that you are designing a wheel according to your personal conviction that the number eight is somehow a vital part of the wheel, I would remind you that the number eight was only applied to the two-directional Kassel wheel and I would have thought that a single direction wheel would be the most sensible starting point in any attempt to duplicate Bessler's wheel. It might be safe to assume a different number of falling weights might be heard from a wheel which could only turn one way.

      JC

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    7. Hi John, hope your house move all went well. Has your now staying with your daughter, your bank balance must be looking good so I was wondering if you could loan me a few quid has I'll got this fantastic idea how to make a wheel?( only kidding LOL ).
      Hope your all good, can I ask, your latest design does it start spontaneously and have you got 5no weights?

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    8. @John: I agree that Dr. Ramesh's "Dialogues at Weissenstein Castle" are, while somewhat interesting to read, merely a conglomeration of bits and pieces of the details about Bessler and his wheels that your translations provided. There's nothing really new in them and they don't lead to a definite mechanism that can be tested.

      I do agree that the numbers 5 and 55 have some important significance, not only numerologically, but with respect to some of the important parameters used in his wheels. For example, if we write 5 x 5 x 5 x 5, it equals 625. If we then move the decimal point four places to the left we get 0.0625. If we let this number stand for pounds of mass, then it must represent the mass of the weights used in Bessler's 3 foot diameter tabletop prototype wheel. How do I know that? Simple. To scale up to the mass of the weights used in the Merseberg wheel, we must multiply the mass of the weights used in the small prototype by a factor of 4^3 or 64. Doing that yields 0.0625 pounds x 64 = 4 pounds which was the mass of one of the weights Bessler allowed the witnesses to examine during the testing of his Merseberg wheel. Thus, the mass of the weights used in Bessler's 3 foot diameter prototype wheel was 0.0625 pounds. This can then be converted to ounces by multiplying by 16 ounces / pound. Doing that gives 0.0625 pounds x (16 ounces / pound) or exactly 1 ounce. Thus, Bessler used one ounce lead weights in his first small running wheel.

      55 can also be written as 5 + 5 and in this case represents the number of fingers on each hand. Both of Bessler's hands are visible in both of the DT portraits. There are some very important clues represented by those hands, but I won't elaborate on them now.

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  28. John, there must be very...very convince in that, what nr 5 really mean, where and why.
    Hope that you got it finally right - from start to end.
    Waiting you final reveals in that field with very big interest.
    Hope that you have really find it, but do not regret if this will not be finally "it".
    After you reveal your findings, then we can see is there something "to add" from my side.
    (I hope that there is not need to :)

    Good luck

    Eastlander

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  29. And if there are 6 weights and not just 5? In Bessler's time there were just 6 planets discovered. If I am right, he constructed his wheel based on the Solar System.

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  30. I just tested my wm2d model #1459 that I was convinced had to be "it". "It" wasn't. It only produced yet another disappointing keel. Once again it was apparent that while motor driven models can allow one to quickly observe shifting motions taking place inside one's wheel mechanics, they don't guarantee such motions will occur spontaneously. I'll recheck all of my DT portrait clues again. I must have misinterpreted some important parameter.

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  31. Should I try a wheel with six weights?

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    1. If you have right setup, it will work also.

      Eastlander

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  32. I think Bessler projected his first wheel like that. What do you think of that, Mr. Collins?

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  33. Mr. Collins!!!, Mr. Collins!!! Please read this!!! It will hep you very much!!!!

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  34. Here is the link:

    https://books.google.com.br/books?id=63Qnbt2CMiMC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=Letter+A+with+broken+crossbar&source=bl&ots=UuVihfY96T&sig=NWOcYgV9D4-WP1qslfzXq6jtsVI&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjorIKC-5XLAhUBiJAKHR6rDLgQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Letter%20A%20with%20broken%20crossbar&f=false

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    1. I read the website you linked to. Not sure how it would help, but thank you for pointing it out.

      JC

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  35. my request at veproject1 to do a Bessler wheel mock up (which they do very neatly to/for all gravitywheel type devices, often reversing direction naughtily, .. to provoke discussion i guess) in comments here:
    https://plus.google.com/+veproject1/posts/5mQzgb8VnQ6
    mid15
    was honoured 5 months later and i did not make the connection at the time
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBri7DLovU8&feature=autoshare
    but posted a comment just now pointing to your blog John.
    this post enables me to see your Dreamspell tone/glyph easily at
    http://www.lawoftime.org/decode/findkin.php
    Your birthday on the 13 Moon Calendar is:
    Resonant Moon day 27
    Year of the Blue Self-Existing Storm

    Your Galactic Signature is:
    kin 133: Red Electric Skywalker
    I Activate in order to Explore
    Bonding Wakefullness
    I seal the Output of Space
    With the Electric tone of Service
    I am guided by the power of Navigation

    i have a request: would you or somebody point me to or engage me in constructive discussion of Chas Campbell's device?

    i leave pointers / bottle post on the [spl]internet from time to time like so:
    ttps://plus.google.com/+veproject1/posts/5gukqS67nxs

    Magnetic gravity engine & Stevin's machine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHaeVpj6pr4&feature=autoshare
    Piety Piet duh Pious Poet
    Jan 1, 2016
    there's a tipping point and/or band when / where inertia overcomes intertia and vica versa ... the Stevin thing is a perfect example ... it would see me grateful if you'd honour my request to 'mock up' your version of that rattley basement alu wheel with bearing balls (which) Chas Campbell made; the entire history of 'gravity wheels' has almost never exploited minimization of slant .. which is where you combine and compound leverage, gravity and rotation best (copyright poetpiet)

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    1. I'm not sure what to make of Chas Campbell's "free energy" generator. He claims that it outputs more energy than it uses to stay in motion. Far more, in fact. He seems sincere, but some of the most delusional people around are also very sincere. I'd like to see his machine tested by some independent, certified testing agency. So far, I don't think that's been done. Anyway, here's a link to a video of a news segment done about his device:


      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24tnac_free-energy-2014-chas-campbell-free-power_tech

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  36. Thank you Piety. I admit I haven't a clue what all that lawoftime stuff was about, but please don't try to explain, I have my own eccentric beliefs.

    JC

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