Friday, 22 May 2020

After a PoP Demonstration, Peer Review and Acceptance.

I think that when Bessler’s wheel actually works and is developed into what ever is proven to be its best evolution, it will confirm the opinion of many of us, that it will herald the future of a world with greatly reduced pollution; very cheap electrical supply; all-electric cars, trains, electric boats and ships.  Not sure if electric aircraft would benefit, but I understand there are some efforts being made in that direction.

Conversely, the cessation or severe reduction of the manufacture of all fossil fuel burning vehicles, boats, aircraft and generators etc, may eventually happen, and not necessarily because of Bessler’s wheel, but because pollution, global warming, rising sea levels - not to mention the increasing cost of pumping oil - demands it. But what a welcoming opportunity for the entrance on to the world stage for Bessler’s wheel.

I know that many here doubt the effectiveness of Bessler’s wheel as an electricity generator, but it seems to me that, in the simplest terms, a rotating device, powered only by the effect of gravity on weights, which can rotate another connected device, no matter how weakly, is capable of being scaled upwards to the point where it can be an effective replacement for all electricity generators. It may appear large or cumbersome, but compared to the many solar panels covering much of the roofs of houses in the U.K. it will seem invisible and far more effective!   But I do not believe it will prove to be as weak as most people predict.

What about all the alternatives means of producing electricity presently in use if the above scenario should happen?  Windmills, tidal generators and nuclear energy, can all be proscribed.  But there are others that I think may still have an important role to play.  Hydroelectric energy, geothermal energy and solar power seem likely to have long term use, but all of the above will benefit from the ongoing development of cheaper and more effective batteries or other electrical storage devices in which to store excess power, or as a backup utility.  Biomass is regarded as renewable energy but still produces CO2 when burned, but there are other ways of extracting energy from it, some of which can be directly converted into electrical energy via electrochemical oxidation reduction reaction (redox).

But above all these, in my opinion, Bessler’s wheel triumphs for its simplicity, cleanliness,  low cost, low technology and therefore reliability.


JC


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  1. I have a friend who works in a gas station and one day I asked him if he was worried about losing his job with all of the talk about electric cars and solar panel energy to power them. He just laughed and said we wouldn't see any of that until the oil companies pumped the last drop of oil out of the ground. That conversation took place about twenty years ago and, so far, he's been 100% right!

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    1. True, but there wasn’t the kind of pressure there is now, demanding new ways to reduce global warming. Don’t forget that there are numerous other uses for oil other than burning it in combustion engines; asphalt, feedstocks, plastics, inks, tyres, and according to the following link at least 6000 other Items.

      https://www.ranken-energy.com/index.php/products-made-from-petroleum/

      I spoke to an expert a few years ago and he said providing oil for Petroleum for automobiles to burn, was like throwing Rembrandt pictures on a fire to keep warm - and it was a complete waste of a valuable product with millions of other uses.

      So I wonder how much truth there is in these oil conspiracies?

      JC

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    2. "So I wonder how much truth there is in these oil conspiracies?"

      If the whole truth be known we'd see that Big Oil was doing everything it could behind the scenes to make sure that low cost, all electric vehicles are NEVER introduced into America or any other country. Oh sure, you'll see a few grossly over priced electric cars here and there like the "TESLA", but they are really only a side show to make everyone think they'll soon be owning an affordable electric car. Meanwhile, when they need a new car they will be running right over to their local dealer and buying another gasoline engine vehicle which is all they can afford to own.

      The Chinese are currently only a few years away from mass producing an all electric, quickly rechargeable lithium ion battery car that will sell new for LESS $10,000 US dollars. Watch what happens when they try to introduce them to the US and Europe. All of a sudden there will be some political opposition to them based on some nonsense or a huge VAT will be slapped on them to keep the average person from being able to afford one. Big Oil will be behind it all shoveling tons of bribe money to the politicians to keep them busy finding some way to prevent them from selling to the masses. You'll see. Neither you nor your kids nor their kids nor their kids will ever be driving an all electric car.

      Without Big Oil's obstruction we would have been driving these types of cars decades ago. Same goes for Bessler's wheels or any other kind of "free energy" machines. Once Big Oil perceives it as a threat to their profits, they'll make sure they are never mass produced. They'll let you have your toy wheels to play with and brag about, but that's about all.

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    3. Big oil has been all but shut down for months now because of a virus that might not even exist, there is no big oil anymore. Someone just needs to get a working wheel now and that will finish off any big oil.

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    4. As Trump continues to tweet while America burns, here's what the Chinese have been doing now for YEARS. Think they won't be taking over the world's production of all electric cars in another few years? Think again!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kILXXaqspcI

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    5. Anon 21:18 wrote: "here's what the Chinese have been doing"

      Very impressive! I'd love to have one of those little Chinese electric cars. I'd keep it parked in my garage and always fully charged and ready to go. It's just what I need to do local shopping and visit a friend. Looks like some of them can even hold up to four passengers which means good for a couple with two kids. The insurance on it would be a lot cheaper than what I'm paying now and so would any repairs. I'd only visit a gas station when I needed a repair or a flat tire fixed (the tires are so small you could probably use solid rubber ones and never have to worry about a flat!). No wonder Big Oil wants to keep these off of the streets of the US. $1,500 makes one affordable for practically everyone and is a lot better than having to borrow even more money to pay $40,000 or more for a Tesla!

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    6. I think those little Chinese "micro cars" could be big sellers in the US, but we have to be able to go into a regular gas station and get them recharged in minutes just like we do now to fill our gas tanks and at about the same price. I recall reading somewhere that they have a small, lightweight "super capacitor" that they are experimenting with that is about the size of a suitcase and can be charged up in less than five minutes. IIRC someone estimated it could power a midsize car for about 80 miles before needing to be recharged again. Unlike a chemical battery, it could last forever. If used in one of those micro cars it might actually double its range since they weight less than a midsize American car!

      If I was calling the shots over at GM or Ford, I'd have my best engineers working on making an American version of those Chinese ones that would use the super capacitors and could be recharged either at a station in minutes or longer using the electricity from one's garage outlets. I'd make sure it was cheap like under $10k and as stylish looking as possible. I'd be doing that because I know that if I didn't those hundreds of Chinese companies over there making them right now would be only too glad to do it for me. Let's keep the jobs of making these right here in the US for a change!

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    7. There are many ways to store the energy that a microcar would need. You could use compressed air or flywheels. I even remember reading about a French inventor years ago who made a spring powered car. Its giant spring could be quickly wound up in minutes by a special high torque motor he had and would then power the small car that used the system for about ten miles or so. For one of those micro Chinese cars it might be possible to make it go over 50 miles on a wind. When your dashboard gauge showed the tension in the springs was getting too low you'd pull into a station and they would attach a special motor to the back of the car and give you a quick wind for a few bucks. I think we'll have these nongasoline powered cars when the cost of owning and operating our present gasoline powered ones makes them unaffordable for the average citizen. We're not there yet though.

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  2. John may I give you a suggestion?

    You know on the wiki there are a lot of clues listed. May be you can post the ones you like (one by one) and give your comments on it. And we can write our ideas about it on the comments.

    What do you say?

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    1. Lol! Expect him to omit this one from his list:

      "About 8 weights fell during each revolution of the wheel, which took about 3 seconds. (Kassel wheel diameter ~ 12 feet)"

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    2. Nice idea yellow, and I do struggle to find something to write about for my blog, but I can’t spare the amount of time it would take me. I’m spending what limited time I have finishing my build and I really need to do that! Thanks for the suggestion though.

      JC

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    3. Anonymous 23rd May, 07.23 - it was “the sound of about eight weights landing gently on the side towards which the wheel turned,”. If you quote please quote accurately. I have no problem with that statement, because it applied to the Kassel wheel which was bi-directional. People assume there eight weights, but no one knows what caused that sound or whether other sounds were dampened. I continue to work with five mechanisms and as long as you all work with eight none of you will find success. 🤔
      JC

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    4. John, I think you intended to address anon 00:58 and not 07:34 which was yourself when you admonished him to "If you quote please quote accurately."

      I checked it out and 00:58 got that quote he gave from the BW forum's Wiki "Clues" page and the clue on that page says the sound was caused by 8 WEIGHTS! It says there that this mention of weights was from an eyewitness account by Joseph Fisher. Are we supposed to assume that Fisher could not accurately determine that the sounds he heard were due to weights making impacts against some sort of stops inside of the Kassel wheel's descending side?

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    5. My own research confirms that eight weights are reasonable... Multiples of four... It can never be five in any case...
      Whether it is the case of unidirectional or bidirectional the principle is the same and in case of bidirectional wheel one set of weights are locked down... when direction is changed...
      It was not necessary for bessler to muffle or dampen sounds... That is one too much a speculation to suit ones design...
      If eight sounds were heard it just means eight weights hitting the wheel side...
      This can be well understood only when one has the correct configuration...

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    6. Please accept my apologies anon 08.25, my eyesight wobbled! The clues come from my book, PM. an Ancient Mystery Solved? Yes, having studied the subject for many years I pointed out in my book written over 25 years ago, that Fischer’s report stated that his examination lasted 2 hours and I questioned his use of the word ‘about’ given the length of his examination. We know from other reports that the wheel emitted a variety of noises and I argued that the specific noises he heard were muffled by other ones and he was unable state categorically that there were exactly 8 sounds. He did say that the weights landed gently and I have my own theory about the cause those sounds.

      JC

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    7. It sounds like Fischer was examining the Kassel wheel while it was running that water pump and its turning speed was reduced from its maximum of 26 rpm's to 20 rpm's with each complete rotation then taking 3 seconds.

      He probably used a pocket watch with a second hand on it to first determine how many drum rotations took place in one minute and determined it was very close to 20.

      Next he would have listened and counted the number of impacts he heard as he watched the second hand on his watch register one minute. If there were exactly 8 impacts per drum rotation, then he should have counted exactly 160 impacts during one minute. I suspect that he tried this several times. But trying to count impacts while also watching the second hand on his watch might have caused him to become distracted and occasionally make miscounts. Maybe because of these miscounts he got counts of 158, 159, 160, 161, and 162 for different tests depending upon whether he accidentally excluded an impact or two or included an impact or two while making his counts. He would have recorded the numbers of impacts he was counting during each test and then just averaged them to eliminate the effects of his miscounts and obtain the 120 impacts per minute or 8 per drum rotation. If this is what he did, I think it's highly likely that the actual number of impacts was exactly 8 per drum rotation as everyone, except you, seems to believe.

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    8. My mistake! That next to last line above that reads "...and obtain the 120 impacts per minute or 8 per drum rotation." should have read "...and obtain the 160 impacts per minute or 8 per drum rotation." Guess I got distracted worst than Fischer!

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    9. Hhhmmmm, I’m not convinced by that argument, Ken. Fisher only needed to count the number of impacts for each revolution. He could watch a point on the circumference of the wheel to judge one revolution and just count how many noises he heard. He definitely used the word ‘about’, in French, which I do speak, and it seems to me that a man of such experience in mechanics would have been more precise if he could.

      JC

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    10. " I can’t spare the amount of time it would take me.." OK fair enough.


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    11. I agree with you on this John, at least the majority.
      8 knocks per revolution is in no way a garuantee that there were 8 weights. Making this assumption is something i have always thought to be incorrect. This doesn't mean that the wheel didn't have 8 weights, but it certainly doesn't mean that it did.
      " He definitely used the word ‘about’, in French, which I do speak, and it seems to me that a man of such experience in mechanics would have been more precise if he could".
      The about has always intrigued me, my eplaination of this has nothing to do with confusing other noises making the counting difficult.
      With 17 or 15 sections, for example, by using the method of taking a fixed point and counting the number of knocking sounds for a whole turn you "could" not have the same number every turn.
      To observe this, you would need only to have a knock, every other section. The sections being odd and the progression being even, 2 for example, would give alteranting numbers of knocks counting from a fixed point. The irregularity observed by the listener would make it difficult to accurately establish the number 8.
      This would also allow for the inspection and maintenance of all of the weights through a fixed inspection hole without the need of Mr Tickle's arms.
      RH46

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    12. Good comment RH, and worth considering, although I’m not so sure about using the hole to maintain all the weights. I’m still doubtful about that possibility, but I like the suggestion that Fischer wasn’t able to say exactly how many impacts he heard.

      JC

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    13. I think there would still be errors in the counting of impact sounds per drum rotation if one was trying to watch a single point on the drum's rim as it passed a certain point outside of the drum to determine when a single rotation had been completed. A point on the outer rim of a 6 feet diameter drum turning at 20 rpms is traveling 37.7 feet around the rim every 3 seconds so its speed is 12.57 feet per second. I know I'd have trouble trying keep track of when the point on the rim exactly passed the outside reference point while also trying to count the number of thumps the wheel was making which would have occurred once every 3/8 or 0.375 seconds.

      John and others who don't like the 8 lever weight version of Bessler's wheels are really obliged to translate the word "about" as meaning "highly approximate". But, I think this is a mistake. I think Fischer used that word just to indicate the difficulty he was having counting the 8 sounds per drum rotation. I don't think he really doubted that it was 8 per drum rotation or he would have written something different like he had measured 7 or 8 sounds or 8 or 9 sounds or even that he was getting different values on different counts such as 7, 8, or 9. He doesn't do that though. I accept that the actual count was exactly 8 sounds per drum rotation despite the difficulties in measuring it by eye and ear.

      This is yet another case were a slightly different translation can give one a completely different idea of how Bessler's wheels worked. Unfortunately, the English versions we have of his writings are filled with such subtle translation ambiguities and have probably led many astray and will continue to do so.

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    14. Someone put a simulation of the 8 knocks per revolution on youtube. It is very clear that counting to 8 is not a difficult task, at the speed the wheel was turning. With regard following a fixed point on the wheel, i agree that could be a bit of a task, but only if the surface of the wheel was perfectly uniform. A bent nail, an exeptionally shiney nail head,a splinter in a board or a knot in a plank would be very easy to see turn up at selected stationary reference point.
      If the wheel had 55 pivot points and a weight was swung to land at every 7 this would give 7.857 knocks per revolution. Can you imagine the difficulty to distinguish the movement of the starting knock of each rotation?
      There are many arguments that could explain why the word "about" was used. There are many possibilties as to the number of weights used to create the functioning wheel. 8 weights is certainly one of the possibilities. Convincing oneself of any number of weights is, in my opinion, a big mistake. Counting on making a lucky guess, is not the best of methods to progress torward the solution.
      Translation is effectively a huge problem, with all the best intentions in the world,(which i think is the case), we could be being mislead.
      RH

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    15. "Someone put a simulation of the 8 knocks per revolution on youtube."

      I assume you are referring to Ken B's wheel. It's undoubtedly a very interesting design he's come up that seems to fit all of the clues we have and I'm sure many are already starting to accept it as "the" solution. But, I wouldn't be in such a hurry to do that. Let's see what John has first. Most importantly, let's see the clues that John has that he claims justify his design.

      I think ultimately only a real working wheel can settle the matter but until then judgements of which wheel design is "it" will rest mainly on whose clues seem to make the most sense. Ken B from what I understand claims to have found dozens of extra previously unknown clues in the DT portraits, but they tend to mainly be numerical ones while John claims he's found 5 or 6 or maybe 7 previously unknown geometric type clues in Bessler's drawings?

      Geometric figures tend to be easier to understand than numerical ones, but, unfortunately, no one is going to understand any of them unless he starts revealing them as he has promised to do this year. Let's hope that is not just more talk from him this time.

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    16. I assume you assumption is incorrect.
      The video on youtube i was refering to was simply an audio frequence of the timed beats. A member of Bessler wheel shared the link, if i remember correctly.
      I don't even know how Ken B's wheel is suspected to work. I suppose i had best check it out incase it is of interest.

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    17. I lied, but it wasn't intentionally.
      I didn't realise that it was that wheel that all the fuss was about. i don't think it will work, for the simple reason that there is nothing special or new happenning with regard the movement of the weights. It is a fine example of another way of trying to do exactly the same thing but by a different method.
      I think what we need to do is something different. Then we can try different ways of doing whatever it is that is different. Once we know what Bessler did we will be able to find other ways of doing it, at least this is my opinion. Believe me i would very much like someone to show a working wheel that shows i am talking nonsense.

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    18. "...there is nothing special or new happenning with regard the movement of the weights."

      Maybe that's why Joseph Fischer wrote:

      "His Highness, who has a perfect understanding of mathematics, assured me that the machine is so simple that a carpenter’s boy could
      understand and make it after having seen the inside of this wheel, and that he would not risk his name in giving these attestations, if he
      did not have knowledge of the machine." ?

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    19. "His Highness" was refering to Bessler's wheel when he said that.
      I was refering to Ken's.
      If you were to see the "special or new" movement of the weights you could build one too. It would work.
      If you were to see the old and standard movement of the weights in all the failures, you could build one like that too. It wouldn't work.
      When what you are doing is wrong, it doesn't matter how complicated or simple it is, it will not work.
      Bessler made it very clear that we were doing something wrong. 'His Highness", merely pointed out, that when you do it right, it can be done very simply.

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  3. In the previous blog...

    JC sir wrote that the build is complicated...
    The fact is it isn't...
    Because, you only need to design a single lever weight system... The rest of the levers are carbon copies...

    Gravittea wrote that Karl made it very clear that bessler was very genuine...
    It is not only that...
    Karl has also made it very clear that the internal mechanism was very simple...

    There are just two things to remember...
    The BW has a secret mechanism...
    The BW wheel's secret mechanism performs a secret movement... or motion...

    Yes... Secret mechanism and a secret motion...
    But both are extremely simple when discovered...

    JC sir feels that the build is difficult because the right design and it's movement is not known to him yet... It is as straight as this... His very approach is wrong...
    Bessler was too worried that his secret would get leaked... He took all precautions including planting of clever clues...
    So to solve this mystery you shouldn't try through his so called codes or clues... You should start from the beginning all afresh and go through the pains and process that bessler endured and then compare your idea or the result with the clues...

    BW invention may not create a revolution or any sensation but it will be another tool for mankind...
    Because, BW technology is an outdated one and it is too crude and slow for modern requirement...
    Bessler wheel secret can be busted easily within a week if only we join together and combine our efforts...
    Good day...

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    1. "JC sir feels that the build is difficult because the right design and it's movement is not known to him yet... It is as straight as this... His very approach is wrong..."

      Just what John needs to read! Most likely he's fallen into a trap that many others have fallen into. When they can't get their "simple" design to run, they will keep making changes to it and it will then slowly become more and more complicated yet still refuse to run. Bessler described this trap on page 295 of AP:

      "He can rack his brains and work his fingers to the bones with all sorts of ingenious ideas about adding extra weights here and there. The only result would be that his wheel will get heavier and heavier...it would run longer if it were empty!"

      When a Bessler pm wheel chaser falls into this trap it's time for him to say "No! This design is useless. I need a new one." John, however, is not yet to that point. He needs some more time. Someone months ago predicted he'd probably keep struggling along with his current five lever mech wheel through the end of this year before finally giving up on it. Pet designs can be very difficult to rid oneself of, but at some point it must be done if one hopes to make any real progress.

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    2. SK writes "Bessler wheel secret can be busted easily within a week if only we join together and combine our efforts... Good day..."

      A strange thing to say from someone claiming to 100% know the solution. We would all know it within a week if SK drew a picture of HIS simple solution and published it.

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    3. Suresh, when I described my mechanism as complicated I was referring to the difficulty of getting the build of just one mechanism right. But there are other factors affecting the build, which may look simple but It is not so easy to get right. I could describe in words how it works, and that would take a couple of pages because there are reciprocal actions to include which all depend on other actions.

      JC

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    4. I just realized that JC and SK really have much in common. They both post on this blog regularly. They both claim to know Bessler's secret based on clues they have found and have known it for years. They both have revealed nothing yet because "it's not the right time". So how are they actually different from each other? Actually, they are not.

      Oh, yes, JC CLAIMS to be working away on his five mech wheel. But, that's just talk. How do we even know he has such a wheel or, if he does, that he's done anything with it in years? For all we know, he could be fabricating his whole story for reasons known only to him. Maybe he actually gave up a long time ago but only pretends to be working on a wheel because he can't bear to admit he's been hoaxing everyone all along?

      If he has been hoaxing everyone then that would permanently destroy any credibility he has and he would become the laughing stock of the free energy community and deservedly so. But, there's really no proof whatsoever that he has anything currently!

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    5. Not really much in common anon, 11.11, although time will tell soon enough. 😀 JC

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    6. Good point anon 11:11. I've come to believe that SK is really John's sock puppet. He uses this sock puppet to put down every else's ideas, even his own, while the SK sock puppet continues to constantly claim he's got a solution but won't reveal it. This is a clever method John uses to take everyone's attention off of him never showing us anything. Everyone is focusing on SK's crazy comments all of the time while overlooking the fact that John is doing the exact same thing!

      You might be right about something else anon 11:11. John probably has nothing to reveal and he's got to keep hiding that fact as long as possible. He could be hoping that he will eventually get a runner someday and then no one will ever discover his ongoing deception on this blog. But without a runner, he'll have to keep his hoax going for the rest of his life or until the day he's forced to end this blog because he's too old and sick to keep it up.

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    7. Gosh darn it! Found me out! My sock puppet has let me down! There’s only one thing I can do, I’ll have to try to discover the real secret of Bessler’s wheel and post the details here as quickly as I can. But where shall I start? I know, I’ll copy Ken and invent clues that no one else can find and make up some design that no one will believe but which they can’t prove because no one can build it.😃JC

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    8. "...I’ll copy Ken and invent clues that no one else can find..."

      To be fair to Ken it should be mentioned that he devoted several hundred pages in his book on Bessler to showing everyone exactly where those new clues he found are located in the two DT portraits. He cannot be accused of concealing anything. It really comes down to a matter of whether or not one accepts what he's found as being genuine clues and, if so, if he accepts that Ken's interpretations of them are accurate. The same goes for any clues and interpretation you or anyone else may eventually be revealing to us.

      It's also not accurate to say his design cannot be proved "because no one can build it". The design he has definitely can be built, but that hasn't been done because no one has actually tried to build it yet as far as I know although I do recall reading some comments on his youtube channel videos from people claiming they were interested in trying to build it. His design will probably eventually be built and then we will finally know if a real version of it works like the ones in the sims he made do.

      If not, then he's just been chasing Bessler's pm wheels in the wrong direction for years. Although I'm sure he will be devastated by that realization, it's really nothing to be ashamed of because that's exactly what thousands of other Bessler wheel enthusiasts have done over the last three hundred years. He'll just be another one of them as you and others will also be if you can't get your own wheels running.

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    9. I didn’t say Ken was concealing anything, but what I would say is this. If we accept that Johann Bessler left clues in order for someone somewhere to decipher them and successfully build a wheel based on those clues, then I’m certain that the clues would prove to be a hundred times easier to understand and accept than Ken’s clues. His clues are dependent on us accepting that his interpretation is right, and in my opinion not only are they imaginary but they don’t convince us that they are strong enough to understand what is actually intended, if that is, they really are clues to the construction of Bessler’s wheel and were intended to be. We do Bessler a disservice to imagine that the clues he left for us are so vague and open to error of interpretation.

      JC

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    10. I think the one big factor in Ken's favor is that the clues he's found are of a numerological type and Bessler was a numerologist. As that SoS guy pointed out last blog, it would only have been natural for Bessler to hide his clues using numerology which is what Ken is claiming. But, Ken makes another claim which was quite a surprise to me when I first heard about it. It is that those clues he found aren't actually there to teach anyone how to build one of Bessler's wheels. They are only there to describe the technical details of Bessler's wheels just in case another inventor back then during Bessler's life came up with the same working design Bessler had. Bessler could then point out the clues in his writings, mostly located in the two DT portraits that Ken uses for his book's analysis, and show that the parts in the other inventor's wheel had the same proportions as the ones that were in Bessler's wheels. That was Bessler's way, in the absence of a patent system in Saxony at the time, of assuring he'd get the credit for being the first to come up with the design. Maybe he hoped doing this would also somehow allow him to force the other inventor to pay him some money in case that other inventor managed to sell the invention?

      So, how did Ken manage to first find Bessler's wheel design so he could then use the clues to verify that it was actually Bessler's? Apparently, he had to duplicate all of the later years of work Bessler did that finally led up to that first little working wheel he had in Gera which was some sort of table top toy wheel whose drum was only 3 feet in diameter. Ken says this was only possible because he was able to speed up the process by using sims and had to make about 2000 of them! The work required to do something like that is almost unbelievable. It sounds to me that if Ken has finally found Bessler's secret wheel design, then it was the result of a combination of incredible luck and persistence. But, then again, he claims he's been at this for almost half a century! No matter what people may say about him, no one can ever say he is a quitter at least not when it comes to Bessler's wheels.

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    11. Well if you aren’t Ken himself, you must be his doppelgänger! You make good case but I remain absolutely certain that Ken is completely and utterly wrong. There are so many reasons why! First and most obvious Karl described the wheel’s design as simple, and Ken’s design is anything but simple. Secondly I too have found and deciphered most of Bessler’s deliberate clues and they reveal a simple but ingenious design which anyone could understand, AND the clues are obviously clues and once I point them out easy to interpret. There aren’t 40 strings involved either!
      Ken’s book is, sadly, a complete waste of time and money.

      JC

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    12. I haven't read Ken's book yet but want to because I've heard so much about it. Like others I've also seen his youtube video of the wheel design he's found and was impressed because it does seem to agree with all of the clues I'm aware of. I agree that having 40 cords is a lot, but Bessler shows many wheels in MT that are also loaded with cords so that was an approach he was exploring. Someone said that of the 40 cords in the design only 16 are really essential and the other 24 are just used to make short connections between parts and could be eliminated if needed to be.

      You say that the clues Bessler left are simple and obvious. Ken, otoh, seems to suggest that they are not that obvious and you really need to be a numerologist to be able to locate and interpret them. He fortunately is a numerologist. At this point I'm willing to consider the clues he's found. My main concern is really just finding something that works and he promises he's found that. Meanwhile there's a new book out there devoted strictly to Bessler's wheels and they tend to be few and far between nowadays. Something for me to digest while I wait out this pandemic lock down.

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  4. What you are not able to grasp is why SK is so confident... SK learnt the secret decades back... But is too lazy and unskilled...
    My journey began in 1989 and underwent too many failures... But not so later... Believe it or not...

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    1. Suresh , noone cares when SK started. Just tell SK to build the damn wheel and prove himself...

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  5. SK is too lazy and unskilled to draw a picture - sheesh !!!

    Methinks SK dost protest too much !

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    1. SK is still playing his usual game of "I've got the answer, but I'm not going to share it yet. But, maybe if you all kiss my feet long enough I'll finally give it to you or at least a few little hints". If he actually had anything, he would have patented it by now and would be looking for investors to have a working prototype made and would not be wasting his and everyone else's time here bragging about his big discovery from one blog to another. If he's here six months from now he'll still be playing the same game with everyone. He's really using this blog for an occasional ego trip because, other than here, he's not getting it anywhere else. He can't go over to Bessler wheel forum to brag there because they'd laugh him off the site in no time and he knows it.

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    2. If that is your understanding and conclusion well, it is ok... I have no issues... You may carry on with your present presumptions...
      Such things happened even with bessler... It is all part of the game... You will soon know if you are right or wrong... But, atleast, don't forget to acknowledge me later when I am proved right...

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    3. We won’t forget you Suresh, IF you are proved right. 🤔. JC

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    4. If SK is "too lazy and unskilled", then how will he ever be "proved right" later about Bessler's wheels? He can't even provide us with a sketch of his big discovery. It's obvious that he's just a talker and not a doer. Talking is easy. Otoh, rolling up your sleeves and getting to work trying to get some real results is hard. For every 1000 talkers drifting around the internet nowadays there might only be one actual doer and he definitely is NOT one of them.

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  6. Ah yes - I remember now a couple of blogs back SK promising to start his build, no more procrastination. Back to his old tricks.

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  7. SK: "Besler's wheel is outdated" You mean I've spent 5 years inventing / reinventing an obsolete wheel! SOB---------------------------Sam Peppiatt

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  8. Yeh... Modern living calls for compact and more punch in a generating system... Man needs to run his ACs, TVs, microwave ovens.,etc...
    BW technology would ofcourse be interesting...
    But expect no big revolution in the power sector... Solar power would still be leading... BW technology will be like the Bullock Cart technology in today's time...
    Whatever the outcome it is still worth inventing...

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    1. SK wrote: "Whatever the outcome it is still worth inventing..."

      I can agree on that. Aside from it being nice to know how Bessler's wheels actually worked, it might be possible to improve their design to make them put out more power. But, we won't know if that is possible until we first find out how they worked. Even if they cannot be improved, I would still like to have a small working model of one to put on my coffee table and to use as a conversation piece when his damn pandemic is finally done with and I can invite friends over to my home again. It's difficult to relax and talk when everyone is wearing a face mask!

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    2. A formula 1 racing car was never invented. They do exist, but nobody actually invented one.
      It took decades of progress from that really crappy car that was invented over a century ago. It took all the technological discoveries that were made over the same period to progress from what a car was capable of doing to what a car is capable of doing.
      The assumption that Bessler's wheel cannot benefit our current knowledge, is unfounded. When we understand how Bessler's wheel worked, we will know if it can be improuved and to what extent. Not before.
      RH

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    3. No visionary's here-----------------only critics! I'm 300 years too late. Sam

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  9. Ockham's Razor says that Bessler extracted nearly all the potential power from his display wheels, each a slight improvement on the last. Perhaps mechanical and materials improvements but not necessarily more powerful. Given the materials of his day. But his PM concept is mechanically constrained and conferred only a small asymmetric imbalance advantage which is ultimately the reason for their low power density. However the power is free and constant. And in a power hungry world that must be a useful point of difference that adds to its inherent value and utility today.

    IMO.

    -f

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    1. That was the first problem I noticed in Ken's wheel video. It's center of gravity is so close to the center of the axle that it has to have very low torque. Of course it's supposed to be a sim of Bessler's first 3 foot diameter Gera wheel and he did say in AP that it could barely turn itself (see page 271). His four times larger Kassel wheel with more massive weights would have had a lot more torque but still it would not be that great and nothing compared to the average water or wind mill back then. I think anyone expecting to make a gravity wheel that will be small and also be putting out a lot of power is only setting himself up for disappointment. Also any design that puts the center of gravity of its weights too far from the axle is probably going to be a nonrunner. At least that was the case in everything I ever tried building.

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    2. Ken understands that the 'CoG' cannot be far from the axle. Many of us do, so he has company. We also understand that that unpleasant fact is the constraint to limited power output and is mechanical in nature. Personally I am not convinced that Ken's solution is the correct one. Tho he can't be faulted for his conviction and enthusiasm for his design. A competent build would show all. Happy to be proved wrong.

      -f

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    3. Personally I hope he has found B's secret so this damn centuries long mystery is finally solved. But then what?

      We may see a few random builds by different builders but if their reproductions can just barely turn themselves probably no one is going to invest in making larger ones like the Merseburg and Kassel wheels for any kind of practical use. I think the only real money to be made from them will be as expensive handcrafted items for wealthy collectors so they can own a piece of recreated early 18th century technology.

      I've studied Ken's design and I can't see any way to dramatically improve it but that's just me and maybe someone else will see more potential in it. I also agree with others that the design is unique and since every other design tried so far has failed, maybe what we need is something really different for a change to actually work.

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  10. I really don't get here in the blog there are guys who say they know the solution but don't build it. Even one of you has written a large book about it.

    Are you that afraid of failing? Failing is not that bad. It is just one step closer to the solution. It is not important.
    Go and build your wheel. Right or wrong see it. Tell us it was wrong or right. Make everyone one step closer to the solution.

    Only cowards are afraid of failure. Be brave.

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    1. I don't think they are afraid of failure and lack courage because many of them did spend years and sometimes even decades chasing after pm machines by building one after another without any success. That constant failure has a way of grinding down one's enthusiasm, depressing him, and making him lose ambition. Advancing age and personal problems do not help matters. One pays a very high price in the long run for daring to chase pm in the first place.

      Many burned out pm chasers "retire" to become armchair philosophers, critics, and even occasional skeptics. Some of them try to discourage newbie pm chasers so that they won't have the same energy sapping experiences and can devote their spare time to more attainable goals. Some try to educate the newbies as to what to expect. Others just like to hang around giving a bit of advice or wisdom here and there whether it's solicited or not.

      Most (occasionally referred to as "Besslerites" to make them seem like kooky pseudo-religious cultists) continue to have faith that Bessler actually did construct such pm machines and they remain confident that, hopefully during their lifetimes, reproductions of his wheels will perpetually turn again. That is their dream and hope and a world full of PhD degree scientists who think they know better will never change their minds.

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  11. Yellow sir... The big problem today is the task of convincing people...
    One should be able to distinguish truth from fiction...
    They should know who possibly is nearer to the truth... JC sir or SK?...
    When I make a claim I explain things before hand... Without something in me I just can't make tall claims... I am 63 now... And at this fag end of life you just can't say I am fooling around with others... It is not required at all... I don't gain anything from it sitting here in India... It is hard to convince Ken...
    You must know that it is one thing to know the secret and quite another to build it...
    Once you build it the story is different...
    You either lose or win...
    Tell me, did bessler reveal it all?... And, if not, why?...
    There are too many things to tackle before you start to build... It shouldn't go the bessler way... I mean it shouldn't end up the way it did with bessler... This is the biggest fear...
    Tell me how can I encash my intellectual property?...
    Is there a foolproof way?...
    Will I face the same things that bessler did?...
    Is there any law that can ensure my security?...
    It would just take a few hours to assemble the wheel when the required parts are cutout and ready...
    But what will happen after the build?...
    This is the biggest hurdle...
    Spare parts are not readily available... They have to be custom built...
    To an unskilled person like me it is a big. nightmare...
    Unlike other mysteries, BW mystery is different...
    Because the mechanism is too simple...
    The inventor has too much to worry about safeguarding the secret than to build it...
    Once built the nightmare begins...
    What if one manages to have a glance inside...
    Well, you can't expect everyone to behave like Karl... Can you?...
    As you say... It is not the fear of failure it is the fear of losing the secret...
    Take my word for now...
    Everybody cannot be successful in this venture...
    Because there is only one configuration...
    It is like striking a lottery...
    One among millions...wins the jackpot...
    Everybody cannot win the jackpot simultaneously...
    Similarly, BW secret is unique... There is only one of its kind...
    Do you think everyone on this blog is on the same page?... Never...
    Take for example our leader, JC sir...
    He is not afraid of the failure as you speculate... He simply doesn't know the secret... He will keep trying and trying till he falls dead... Here, Ken is terribly right...
    You may recollect what JC sir revealed a few years back... It was meaningless to most...
    Now you can imagine how close he is to the truth... There was a big pamper before he revealed last time...
    My case is different... I am not stuck to five mechanism theory... I advocate that it is in multiples of four...

    a Basic BW needs just four to begin with... Eight is ideal... It has to be symmetrical...
    Basic geometry is involved... Weights have to be equidistantly placed for unbalancing to occur... The weights are the most important players... The levers make them act in such a way... The right arrangement of these inside ensures the proper performance...
    No rocket science...
    No fear of failure...
    No chance of failing either...
    Yes... There's the fear of leakage of secret...

    Good day...

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    1. "SK" wrote: "They should know who possibly is nearer to the truth...JC sir or SK?...Take for example our leader, JC sir...He is not afraid of the failure...He simply doesn't know the secret...He will keep trying and trying till he falls dead... "

      Now I'm more convinced than ever that "SK" is actually John's sock puppet!!!

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    2. Here's a Zen Buddhist "Koan" or mind puzzle for everyone to contemplate:

      If two people show up here, person A and person B, and each is the other one's sock puppet, does that mean that neither of them actually exists?!

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    3. Interesting logic problem, anon 07:40. I think it would mean that each person is actually his own sock puppet which means that neither is really a sock puppet. So both persons could exist.

      I think that the problem of "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" is harder to solve.

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    4. SK,
      There are many questions we can ask as to what is best for us.
      We can also ask ourselves, what is more important?
      One man's life or the correction of a monumental erreur made by the whole of humanity?
      If one is unable to correctly answer that question, because the life in question is one's own, i feel that the needed objectivity to find the answer is missing.
      There is no valid argument to justify witholding any form of information to help us collectively correct this mistake.
      Every individuel is part of humanity, but no individuel is as important as humanity.
      The only way to correctly think out of the box, is to think from outside of oneself. When you able to understand that someone stealing your idea and becoming rich and famous is a wonderfull thing to happen, you may finally have what is needed to find the solution.

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    5. "When you able to understand that someone stealing your idea and becoming rich and famous is a wonderfull thing to happen, you may finally have what is needed to find the solution."

      So someone stealing MY invention that I sacrificed my effort, health, money, and time to make and getting filthy rich off of it while giving me nothing for it is actually a "wonderful thing"? Why didn't I realize that all along? Thanks for that important insight, Unknown!

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    6. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

      Everyone knows that God created a chicken and a rooster out of mud in the garden of Eden right after he created Adam but before he made Eve out of one of Adam's ribs. That first chicken then started laying eggs and made even more chickens and roosters. There is no mystery to any of this. Full grown chickens and roosters came first not eggs. One of Adam's jobs was to name the different animals God created and he came up with some name for chickens which didn't sound like the word chicken at first. Over time as chickens spread around the Earth they changed their names in different places and the ones we have are just called chickens here. Humans did not start eating chickens until Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden. They taste good chopped up, cooked, and served with rice. Still cheaper by the pound then beef.

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    7. No wonder that last chicken I ate had a muddy taste to it!

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  12. Don't ask SK for proof. You will destroy his dream.

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  13. I have decided to begin the long task of posting details of Bessler’s Codes. Hopefully I will have finished building my wheel before I get to the really important details! I will also post details on the separate ‘pages’ tab which is in the top of the left panel. It will take me a few days to get going but hopefully people will become convinced of my sincerity once they see my work.

    JC

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    1. This is promising John. you are half way to getting this problem resolved.
      Let's just hope that will be enough for someone to find the solution and allow you to know that all of your descendants can be very proud of you for generations to come. I would much prefer being a descendant of Tesla than Edison. There have been millions of Edisons throughout history, Tesla's are very few and far between.
      You too have fully understood the fact that we have collectively made a huge mistake which has had an influence on Bessler's story. Have you fully understood, that the influence this mistake has on us, is our major obstacle?
      Why is it we cannot see something which is evident?

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    2. "...hopefully people will become convinced of my sincerity once they see my work."

      Great news! This should help counter the growing belief that you really have nothing and not even a wheel you're working on. It will also give you an idea of how everyone will be reacting by the time you "get to the really important details". Expect a ton of criticism along the way which is the norm in the FE community.

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    3. Unknown wrote "There have been millions of Edisons throughout history, Tesla's are very few and far between."

      Yet Tesla had to go to Edison for a job and was hired in June of 1884 as an electrical engineer for $100 per month. A month later Edison fired him because they had what is today called a "personality conflict".

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    4. Anonymous you are sugarcoat the dispute between Edison and Tesla as a personality conflict that's ridiculous it's simple Edison lied about a $50,000 bonus to be paid to Tesla if he could solve the problem Edison was having with electrical motor and after Tesla solved it Edison said he was just joking about the bonus another words Edison was just a liar and Tesla learn early he could not be trusted

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    5. I found this about Tesla being cheated out of the money:

      "Tesla insisted that he could increase the efficiency of Edison’s prototypical dynamos, and eventually wore down Edison enough to let him try. Edison, Tesla later claimed, even promised him $50,000 if he succeeded. Tesla worked around the clock for several months and made a great deal of progress. When he demanded his reward, Edison claimed the offer was a joke, saying, “When you become a full-fledged American, you will appreciate an American joke.” Edison offered a $10/week raise, instead. Ever prideful, Tesla quit, and spent the next few months picking up odd jobs across New York City. Nikola Tesla: ditch digger."

      I think the problem here is that Tesla didn't get the agreement in writing in which case he could have sued Edison for breach of contract. Edison, being a businessman more than a visionary type like Tesla would probably never have signed such a contract and that would have told Tesla exactly what his chance of ever getting the $50,000 would be. Edison probably didn't feel too bad about not paying the bonus he promised Tesla because, technically, Tesla was his employee and Edison did offer him about a 40% increase in his $100 monthly salary. Who knows, maybe Edison couldn't afford to pay Tesla the money at the time or he changed his mind about the improvements Tesla made being worth that much. Maybe Edison could have given him his bonus in the form of stocks instead? This incident certainly makes Edison look like a real tightwad, but we only have Tesla's side of the story. I'd like to hear what Edison had to say about the matter but I can't find that anywhere.

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  14. Good for you John ! Onwards and upwards to the goal.

    -f

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  15. All this talk of clues and codes soon to come has triggered me into providing a quick numerological analysis and prophecy!

    This year of 2020 is a very special one as far as the history of Bessler's wheels is concerned. How do I know that? Simple. Bessler told me! Well, actually his interesting logo, as shown at the top of this page and also in the following link, told me:

    http://www.theorffyreuscode.com/assets/images/autogen/a_Bs_avatar.gif

    The average person sees only a nice decorative design. Some may think it represents one of Bessler's wheels. Those are all accurate, but to a numerologist there's much more to it. The two circles can also be thought of as being two 0's. Then look at the curly swirl on the right side. It's actually the numeral 2 with its lower tail stretched out. Next look at the curly swirl on the left side. It's also the numeral 2 but it's been reversed left to right as was done in that decorative fraktur letter N that I analyzed in the last blog. We see that Bessler's logo really contains two numeral 0's and two numeral 2's. If you put these four numerals together and alternate them, you can get 2020 out of them!

    I think this means that this year we will see two wheels come to prominence that are both claimed to be the one Bessler found. Now look at next year which is 2021. Notice it only has a single numeral 0 in it. The meaning is that next year only one of the wheels will remain and be considered to be Bessler's.

    (Btw. To show how important this logo is, it is possible to numerologically extract the exact time and date that Bessler had his first public pm wheel demonstration in Gera from it. But, I will leave that analysis for a future comment.)

    Sayer of Sooths

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    1. https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/13679165/illustration-file/bc11c9d4-40cf-479d-9e52-eeb751575473/untitled.157.gif

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    2. SOS wrote: "To show how important this logo is, it is possible to numerologically extract the exact time and date that Bessler had his first public pm wheel demonstration in Gera from it."

      Yeah right. I doubt that's even possible. But please do prove me wrong if you can. Lol!

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  16. Maybe it's also possible for SOS to extract the initials of the successful person who replicates Bessler's wheel? I can see DD and MM so perhaps Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse are building wheels.

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After a PoP Demonstration, Peer Review and Acceptance.

I think that when Bessler’s wheel actually works and is developed into what ever is proven to be its best evolution, it will confirm the op...