I just want to wish all of you a very happy and peaceful Christmas.
I was slightly concerned that some readers might not celebrate Christmas as many of us do, because of religious differences. So in wishing you a traditional Christmas greeting I am including all the good things associated with this greeting, such as happiness, peace and well-being, regardless of the religious connotations.
As some may know, I am an agnostic, but I still celebrate the seasons as if I were a committed Christian, because I support the values associated with Christianity, even if I am unable accept the teachings it espouses.
JC
A blog about Johann Bessler and the Orffyreus Code and my efforts to decipher it. I'll comment on things connected with it and anything I think might be of interest to anyone else.
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There are a number of images taken from Johann Bessler’s books which appear to support my previous post on Bessler’s Wheel Revealed. I shal...
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So the end of the year approaches and I’m still building my Bessler-Collins wheel. I’m trying to finish it before New Years Eve, but if I do...
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It still surprises me that some people dismiss the possibility of gravity being the chief originator of movement in Johann Bessler’s wheel. ...
About religion we think the same, and about practical tradition and social values too. I wish you & all others (independent of their beliefs) happy holidays, and all the best of luck for 2017.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Øystein. Glad to know we are on the same page! Happy Holidays to you.
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By the way, I have been more or less absent from the topic for the last months, as I have just become father to my second son. He is now about 2 moths old and his name is Elias as a tribute to Orffyreus. He is also 1/4 German, as his mother is 1/2 German. Everything is well with both mother and child. Happy Holidays!
DeleteLovely idea Øystein. We have no newborns in our family (yet) but my granddaughter has called her dog, a Hungarian vizsler, Bessler.
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Happy Winter Solstice Celebration everyone! Lol! I vacillate from believer through agnostic to atheist and back again, sometimes hourly, depending upon how things are going in my and my loved ones lives. As someone once sardonically observed, "There are no atheists in foxholes." Regardless of one's religious beliefs or lack thereof, however, it's nice let oneself get caught up in the "spirit of the season" that emphasizes things like family, brotherhood, benevolence, charity, and also a bit of materialism by getting oneself something he's wanted all year long but kept making excuses not to get and/or getting it for someone else. Wonderful values that any real religious belief system should be encouraging, imo. Hopefully, one day we'll have a world were these values will predominate everyday of the year. Maybe the attainment of virtually unlimited energy will finally make such a world possible.
ReplyDeleteHappy Holidays everyone!
Belated Happy Festivus to you all ... with hopes our wheels will engage in the merriest of merry feats of strength in the coming new year.
ReplyDeleteHäid Jõule Kõigile!
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Happyist holidays to all. heres peoples playing with wheel size of beslsers big 12 foots ones.
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boris
Merry Christmas, John. And, to all fellow Bessler enthusiasts, a Happy Holiday to all!
ReplyDeleteFor all a link to one of the most haunting pieces of music I've ever heard, this being in honor of all lost today on the Russian TU-154:
"HYMN OF THE CHERUBIM" ~ USSR Ministry of Culture Chamber Choir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJCEGU7LX2s
Good luck to all in 2017!
Hutch
Thanks Hutch. 2017? Yes!
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Greetings and well wishes for this holiday season, as well as the winter solstice (what, the sun stopped?! thought it was perpetual) to all fellow seekers out there.
ReplyDeleteNo, the Sun does not stop in it's apparent motion around the Earth in an arc through the sky called the "ecliptic". The angle that the ecliptic makes with respect to the northern horizon is at a minimum in summer and a maximum in winter and oscillates back and forth between these extremes each year. On the date of the winter solstice (which was on Wednesday, December 21st for the year 2016), the angle is at its maximum from the north horizon and then stops increasing after which it begins decreasing as it returns to its minimum value at the time of the summer solstice. As the angle gets larger with the approach of the date of the winter solstice, sunlight hits the Earth's surface more obliquely, air and ground temperatures drop, and it becomes too cold to grow crops. This scared the hell out of ancient peoples who thought the Sun was a god that, being offended by the moral imperfections and evil doings of humans, was going away which could then lead to the starvation of humanity. So, the ancients would celebrate the winter solstice by becoming very nice and loving toward each other and exchanging gifts and such. That was their way of showing the sun god how really nice humans were and that he should return to the north and warm things up for the next planting season. When Christianity came along, it basically co-opted this pagan celebration and turned it into a celebration of the birth of Jesus (they also co-opted the pagan celebration of the spring equinox and turned that into a commemoration of the execution / resurrection of Jesus). So, it is not the motion of the Sun that stops during a solstice, but, rather, the changing in the angle of its apparent motion through the sky.
DeleteI'm not in favour of talking about my religious inclinations on this blog, because it upsets many people, and I only mentioned it in the first place in order to wish the season's greetings to all, regardless of their religious persuasion.
ReplyDeleteAn agnostic is a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God., therefore, in my humble opinion, the teachings are based purely on opinion, not fact.
My apologies if I have offended those of you who are firm believers.
JC
High Hopes! I myself am an agnostic... like Buddha :) We are all believing in 'sustained unbalance', aren't we? High aim. Narrow is the door we're all making every effort to enter through. Johann did it one day. And now, we study his books, So... maybe Perpetual Motionism is a religion, after all? And we were not knowing!!! What do you think, John, about this?
ReplyDeleteHi Michel, it's good to hear from you again. Yse I sometimes think Perpetual Motionism as a religion or cult.
DeleteMy hope remain high for 2017 too.
JC
The quest for pm is definitely a religion at this point in time. It requires an act faith almost on a par with that of the most fanatical religious zealot out there. We have our "holy" books which are the writings of Bessler, our "miracles" which were the hands on tests done of his wheels and reported by others, and our "messiah" who is Bessler himself! I notice that a lot of people attracted to this subject are atheists and agnostics (or claim to be), but, maybe, they still have a need to have a sort of religious faith and are substituting the chase for pm for that religious faith. And, of course, we await the "Second Coming" which will be the successful replication of Bessler's wheels. I look forward to that happening in the coming year! Hallelujah! Praise Bessler!
DeleteWell, even though I am greatly loathe to admit it, this crafty encapsulation of the matter as just done by KB, seems a thing most apt.
DeleteVerily it is so . . .
That the ONE that provably-demonstrably splits symmetry mechanically, and achieves as a matter of same rotational direction excess energy out for that put in, will become The Prophet for the new Perpetual Motion Age, a wheel turning on the account or not.
WHICH of us is it to be??? (Or, any?)
Merry Passed Christmas and, all good things to all in the coming New Year.
James
PS And, we must not forget to thank yourself, John, for 'keeping the Faith' throughout all these many years. Onward and upward.
My best wishes for your coming year, James, and my thanks for your kind words.
DeleteIt's a fair point that this quasi religion, Perpetual Motionism can be regarded as a faith. It wasn't until you mentioned that I kept the faith that I realised how true your words, perhaps in jest, were!
JC
I think an agnostic can also be described as someone who neither believes or disbelieves in a particular religion's teachings or of all religions' teachings, in general. He is, therefore, philosophically "neutral" when it comes to religious matters. However, it has been my experience that no one is truly neutral and that everyone has some beliefs that he maintains, but may not openly discuss. I've known atheists who firmly maintained that all religions were just manmade fairy tales left over from ancient times, but then I noticed they would annually visit the grave of a loved one with flowers. I wondered why they would bother if they did not feel that, somehow, that person was not still existing in some form "out there" somewhere. I've also known believers who, imo, were not behaving as one would expect a religious person to do. In other words, I've found much hypocrisy in these matters. Many put on a show of atheism or religiosity to, imo, try to project themselves as having a belief system that is the exact opposite of what they really have! The reality is that we are all getting older and, sooner or later, we will, finally, be finding out, personally, if there is anything to the concept of an afterlife or not. I'm hoping there is and it will be available to everyone whether an agnostic, atheist, or believer! If there is, I'm looking forward to meeting Bessler and discussing the mechanics of his imbalanced pm wheels with him!
ReplyDeleteNo. It was just word play. Please do not attach any significance to my comment.
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By Easter of next year, I hope to raise the wheel from the dead!
ReplyDeleteI'm as agnostic about perpetual motion as John is about god.
ReplyDeleteTouche.
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Eternal life through faith is not debatable, you either have it or you don't. Those who don't believe will never inherit it.
ReplyDeleteHaving faith is not debatable to those who have it.......
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A nice old lady I knew, who is now deceased, told me once that "Everyone gets the Heaven they expect to get." That was a response I was not prepared for because it really is rather profound. In other words, she was saying one's thoughts actually create their ultimate reality! Something for those who think only oblivion is waiting for them to consider.
DeleteSo John, you're agnostic, you have nothing left!
ReplyDeleteTrevor, believe as you wish and allow me my unbelief.
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Sorry, but I care. There is nothing worse than to be ultimately rejected.
DeleteIt's really amazing how "religious" people on their deathbeds can become once they realize that their doctors and modern technology don't seem to be able to stop their slide toward "the edge" over which they will tumble headlong into eternity. The thought that one has seen his last sunrise and loved ones, forever, can be a rather depressing and sobering one. If someone finds that his particular religious / philosophical beliefs help him cope better, then I say more power to him. Despite their rhetoric, I think all atheists and agnostics are secretly hoping that they will be 100% mistaken about the oblivion they are so sure is the only final reality for humans. I know I am!
DeleteTrevor you have faith, I don't believe any of it so I don't fear ultimate rejection.
DeleteI could point out the weakness of the evidence (what evidence?) but I have no desire to attack another's faith and would appreciate it if you allow me to go my own way, relying on the evidence of my mind and eye.
JC
i think religon like drugs. ok if you not use to much! for magnet builders heres kid in india with magnet wheel that keeps moving!
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boris
John consider this; If I am wrong, I have nothing to lose, but if you are wrong you have everything to lose!
ReplyDeleteWell, the NT Gospels were written decades after the events following the Crucifixion allegedly took place. It's possible that Jesus could just have been a delusional man who, because he was the product of "Messianic times" and a Judeah occupied by a foreign invader, became convinced that he was the long awaited Messiah that would reform Judaism and lead the Jewish people back to greatness again. When he began to become a threat to the money flowing into the coffers of the High Priests at the Temple in Jerusalem, they decided to just get rid of him with a quick execution. Then, perhaps even without the Apostles knowing it, after the execution and placement of Jesus' body in the "borrowed tomb", the body was just moved to another location to fake a resurrection for them. Maybe Mary Magdalene was involved in the hoax because she was a follower and her income depended on the new sect continuing to exist and take in money from newly recruited "believers". Excited by all of this, the original Apostles were energized to then spread their Messiah's teaching all over the Middle East. All the rest of the story in the Gospels could then just be fiction added by later evangelists to explain why, if there had been an actual resurrection back to life of an executed Roman prisoner, he was no where to be seen. This version neatly explains why there has been no Second Coming in almost two millennia. Despite this pessimistic possibility (some would say "probability"!), I still like the general message of Christianity which is one of peace, brotherhood, tolerance of the differences between people, charity, etc. But, you don't have to be a member of any organized religions to believe in those values. Even atheists have them. Also, if there is an afterlife, then I think everyone will wind up there somehow. I just hope that, if that proves to be the case, then it's not a boring place to spend eternity! But, who knows, if one does get bored, maybe there's some way for him to reincarnate back into a human baby to experience another life on Earth. There's no proof of any of this, but it's interesting to contemplate.
ReplyDeleteIf the RCC transubstantiation of wafer and wine into flesh and blood were an actual physical occurrence, then that observed miracle (and it would be that) would transubstantiate most humans into Roman Catholics very fast indeed. Oh yes!!!
ReplyDeleteWe Protestants believe that the ritual is but one only symbolic ("Do this in remembrance of Me." but, our RCC friends and cousins have faith that it is in fact REAL.
Since these substances cannot by analysis be proved to have changed to flesh and blood, then the belief test must be only what it is: an ultimately high mark of it but that is and must forever remain irrational. (The cognitive dissonance existing between the observed and the believed being HELD!)
A really tough one to get past for on not of "the True Faith".
This has prayed on my mind for a long while: how RCC's can attain and hold such a inward state existing. Here, one apparently is not to believe one's mind and senses. Such strain on credulity is most powerful.
Is it FEAR or NECESSITY that underpins it all?
James
I believe that, originally, the celebration of the Eucharist was intended as a commemoration of the execution of Jesus as the Protestants believe. Somehow, by the early 2nd century, that got twisted into a "mystery" which means that although there is no logical explanation for what is claimed, one must fully accept and espouse it in order to "prove" he is a "real" Christian. Basically, one must accept that, although there is no observable change in the chemical or physical properties of the bread and wine after their consecration, they become, for religious purposes, identical to the body and blood of Jesus and, that by consuming them (sounds like cannibalism!), one is fulfilling the teaching of Jesus as given in verses like John 6:53 which states “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” Whether or not Jesus actually said this is anybody's guess. It could have been inserted into the Gospel text in the 1st century by someone who misunderstood the real purpose of what Jesus did at the Last Supper, but had the power to make the text change and may even have thought he was doing the right thing even though it made no sense whatsoever. Consuming human flesh is strictly forbidden in the OT and I find it hard to believe Jesus would have commanded such an activity to any of his followers. But, over a billion Catholics regularly go through this ritual every week and, if they find comfort from it, then so be it. Everyone must find their own belief system that helps him cope with the "unpleasant" realities of the human condition.
DeleteNo Ken, that is wrong! There is only one gospel of atonement through the risen son of God. All other religions are perversions of man period.
ReplyDeleteThe Gospels are, to a very large degree, somewhat like Bessler's writings. There are mistranslations, misinterpretations, and, in the case of the NT, various insertions of unknown origin. Add to that a certain amount of ambiguity and one can never be 100% sure what the "one gospel of atonement" really is. Everyone who reads the Gospels will tend to find the Jesus he is looking for or which he has been told to look for by some religious group. Unlike Bessler, Jesus did not personally author anything for his followers, but, even if He did, no doubt that would have been corrupted over the millennia by those who decided to revise his words for their own purposes.
DeletePlease, John, find a new topic very soon. Religious wars are about to burst in the field of your peaceful blog! Amazing.
ReplyDeleteThank you Michel, I shouldn't have dipped my toe into such a turbulent subject. My mantra used to be avoid religion and politics and I should stick to it here.
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If I were yourself, John, I'd not feel all that bad about the present discussion, for after all it is "The Holidays" and what better time to speak a little about their technicalities, no? As long as all keep their better wits about them, in it there's not much harm to be done, I think.
DeleteMaybe it is, after all, but a matter of the Heart's weight that counts in the Final Tally as the ancient Egyptians simplified all down-to, all of the various of denominations of Christianity aiming for the same goal - a heart lighter than a feather (ostensibly) and some even achieving it but some not, as well. Of such things, none can KNOW truly; only to the extent of 'faith' can they come close. Actual, real genuine knowledge is one rare commodity indeed. This boils-down to what one has experienced/witnessed and nothing more. Reportage coming to us from eons ago through various of reporting and translating hands and minds having needs and expectations, excepting for faith and need that it be so, how can this be 'known'??? The fact is that it cannot be, only believed.
Did any alive now ever witness Bessler's wheel turning merrily?
No, but we have faith that it did, as based upon much accessible eyewitness testimony of only a few hundreds of years ago, not nearly thousands! Upon this rock of belief, modern day Besslerites go forth, assured by this that it was and is actually so.
Has anyone reading these lines ever witnessed an unequal splitting of symmetry as a function of directional rotation for uniform energy as input? My guess is that it is but ONE only thus far, and therefor on that account, faith as a necessity for belief becomes 'no longer', it having become knowledge-sure, and simple and precious. Nice.
Although always loath to admit it on account of various of ugly experiences of impudence-unvarnished from previous as I've variously experienced at his ever-tapping hands, KB does score illustrative points above and from before.
There is no doubt that he is intelligent, is perceptive and possesses of much knowledge pregnantly but, is young-still, being not yet on the precipice of wisdom, obviously. By him we ARE impressed but, do await developments in essential areas presently needful.
(Understand, mightn't we do-so?: even if the Devil himself were to commit one selfless good act, he would have to be allowed credit in-full for it in his own book of accounts. Such is a rule of Heavenly Justice I believe, and thus so it must be too with and for KB and others like him. "So mote it be", as 'they' say.)
The fuss now working it's way to the surface in Washington, D.C., headed for The Climax of January 20 at 12:00:01 PM Eastern Time, may prove our social/fiscal deliverance, or our civil/ living ends. It all depends really, upon the actions of those infamous, supposed dark hidden hands as to which it is to be, in that Final Cut of Destiny.
Half of our disappointed electorate here seem to have gone functionally mad (such as-to demeanor, behaving as functional Trotskyite communists would), and is acting-out this departure from sanity most dangerously. Is it to be civil war in the offing, on the account?
Could be if they do not stop being so very uncivil and petulant and selfish, and do push matters to extremes.
Most do not understand that, as a matter of passed law, the new President will enjoy every functional power at his finger tips for use as did Caligula, the Roman Emperor! Is it any wonder that the world establishment is frozen-stiff-blithering, at his promising ascendancy to these?
(Just thought I'd add that little political ditty for completeness' sake. Politically I am neutral being a non-actor, and it a fascinating spectator sport.)
Also, to end (mercifully) I was in-earnest about "keep the faith," John. Absolutely.
James
Peace guys!
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I have got another wheel moment coming on soon and I am convinced this is a runner! LOL.
ReplyDeleteJust a few more days now ..............
DeleteActually, the skeptics of pm would consider all of Bessler's wheel demonstrations and official tests as being hoaxed. Even those that believe they were genuine can bitterly disagree with each other as to how they worked. If someone (hint, hint) soon delivers a design for the wheel mechanics Bessler used, a large percentage of Bessler wheel enthusiasts will automatically reject it because it does not agree with their particular interpretation of how his wheels worked. Even if the design leads to working replications, there will still be some who will admit that it works, but that it still can't be "the" design he used. Introducing new paradigms into the collective human consciousness is a slow and difficult task. I even noted on Youtube the other day that there are people posting videos claiming that the Earth is flat and they are serious about it!
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