Thursday 24 August 2023

First Steps Towards a Working Model.

After a long while I’m back in my workshop.  It has been a difficult time with other things pulling me this way and that, and not having had somewhere to make my builds but I’ve now got a space in my garage and I’ve started to build again.  I hope to prove that I’m on the right track and heading for a working proof of principle wheel.  I realised that all the code and clue dissemination which I have indulged in over the years proves nothing and I may be right or I may be wrong and only the device that works and is repeatable by anyone will satisfy the world.

I began by dismantling the remains of many previous attempts because some of the parts are reusable and have some of the required details needed for the new design.  The one thing I keep in mind is that this version has to be simple and even though the concept has been in my mind for many months, actualising it is harder than it looks on paper.

When we last moved house about seven years ago I threw out the remains of some 17 wheels plus most of the component parts and we moved again last year, our eighth move! People have asked me for photographs of them but when you’ve worked on the same design for some time, modifying it over and over, at what point do you take a photo of it?  Near the beginning or half way through or at the end of a succession of failures.  So no, I’ve got maybe three or four pictures which I might post in the next blog, but I will post pictures of my current build for the first time.  I must add that the quality of the build is basic, I see no point in producing a beautifully crafted device before I’ve even got a working model, so this build will be crude but simple.

This is my last build as far as this concept goes, although obviously there may be adjustments to be incorporated as I progress, I don’t have any plans to change it because I’m certain that this design concept is the same as Bessler’s and this will be provable in retrospect by examination of the clues I have discovered.

As promised, the full details will be published here regardless of whether I succeed or not.  I think I’m still able to construct a mechanical device, but you never know what difficulties might emerge during construction, but it is quite simple so I’m confident that the wheel will be finished.

JC

33 comments:

  1. Don't make things unnecessarily difficult for yourself during construction! I had already pointed out how much easier it would be to use only toy construction kits.
    I claim that you could have been successful long ago if you had rethought your entire strategy.

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    1. If I was JC, I wouldn't build a single thing until and unless I had a VERY promising sim to guide me. Working without such a sim is like heading off into a jungle looking for buried treasure without having a map! At best it's a fool's errand unless one is extremely lucky. Unfortunately, we cannot depend on luck to get through life and achieve our goals. The more accurate and promising one's pm wheel sim is, the less luck he will need to succeed with anything he builds. At JC's current age he can't afford to waste time with builds based on clues he thinks might be right. He needs to know in advance if they are right. Sims can give him that information and help speed him toward success if it's meant to be.

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    2. For example, here's a sim that could help: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5nP7KY6_EAM

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    3. I don't think John wants to ever see that one again! He's allergic to any designs that don't have exactly five mechs in them that somehow manage to make "about" eight sounds on the descending side per wheel rotation. He'd likely be more interested in some variation of this one:

      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8iHClyBe1C0/X3rIO065SSI/AAAAAAAAG2A/YyA0Op_tlnw5R2xQDKTgK-0U9PqJXSpmwCLcBGAsYHQ/s817/red%2Band%2Bblue%2Blevers%2Bin%2Baction.jpg

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    4. Thanks for the advice S.O.P.M. I’ve been building wheels for fifty years, sporadically for the first thirty years or so, but in the latter years I’ve tried all kinds of methods including second hand, a huge Meccano set that I was given. In the end I prefer to fabricate from raw materials.

      Anon 20:54. I rejected sims for a long time, but I finally acquiesced and found a willing friend who has built a number of sims for me and I confess they did inspire me to try my hand at the technique, but call me old fashioned, I’m fully back into building again, for me you can’t beat the inspirational impulse you get from seeing the parts in action and how things occur to you. The sims I reviewed did actually lead to a modification of my design. So yes, sims do help, and I am trying to get better at making my own.

      To anon 02:03, I may be allergic to designs that don’t have five mechanisms in them, but with good reason, and maybe others are allergic to designs which don’t make eight sounds on the descending side per wheel rotation.

      JC

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    5. The truth is that JC only likes five mechanism wheels that HE comes up with as I learned last year when I merely mentioned I had a nice five mechanism design of my own I was willing to reveal here for the first time and had all of my comments deleted by him! I'm still willing to share my revolutionary five mechanism design here, but not if all I get for my trouble is to have it deleted by someone who can't stand any competition. Who knows how many others with five mechanism pm wheels also had their comments deleted!

      Martin

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    6. Did you post about it on BesslerWheel.com?

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    7. Of course he did, he's the notorious Ken who signs on aliases and stooges and sock puppets, all fake names. Remember when Martin wrote “ I've seen that Ken B wheel in his youtube video and it does seem to match all of the major clues I'm aware of”. What major clues? Oh you mean the mouse?

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    8. I'm not Ken, but I have made the effort to complete the reading of his very large book. He states quite clearly in the introduction that he has filled in some of the many blanks in the Bessler story with plausible scenarios to make the biography he supplies of Bessler seem as logical and readable as possible. There's really no problem with doing that as long as he has told the reader what he has done and, imo, what he provides is probably very close to what actually happened. He uses a interesting "you are there" approach in which, as examples, the reader becomes part of a crowd viewing a Bessler wheel demo, joins in with Bessler and his brother as they construct the large drum of a bidirectional wheel, or sees how Bessler revealed the secret of his invention to a quite skeptical Count Karl.

      When it comes to the description of the parts used in Bessler's wheels, however, there is no speculation there. Their dimensions, masses, and other parameters are precisely given in the DT portrait clues and he devotes much space to pointing them out. More interestingly, the identical values appear in both portraits! That would seem to be very improbable unless the design he shows in the book which is based on those values was actually what Bessler found and used and also wanted others in the future to duplicate. I guess the matter won't be fully resolved until someone actually uses that design to construct a working physical replica of one of Bessler's wheels. I wish I could use the simple instructions Ken gives to make a working replica of the first Gera prototype wheel, but I'm not really a builder type. I have trouble just hanging a picture on a wall! I think it's really a project for a younger Bessler enthusiast to take on.

      Martin

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    9. Hey, Martin. I vaguely remember you from a past blog. I was looking forward to seeing what you had then and was surprised when John deleted your comments since he was making noises back then about how he welcomed more designs by others on this blog.
      But, of course he had to delete them and he'll keep right on doing it today. Why? He can't risk receiving any five mech wheel designs, either privately in emails to him or publicly on this blog. If he allows them and actually got a five mech wheel running in the future and it looked anything like what someone else revealed to him, then that other person could claim John's design was actually based on what that other previously created. So, if I was you, I wouldn't even waste my time showing anything here. Just do like Ken B and make a quick youtube video to reveal your design and establish your priority to it. You were right about one thing though. Any five mech wheel designs on this blog that are not by John are definitely NOT welcome here!

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    10. I would be pleased to look at any five mech wheel either here, on the forum or via email. But not one based on your imaginary clues Ken, or Martin or who ever you are pretending to be. You know I’ll delete your comments eventually so I don’t know why you won’t open your own blog and leave my out of it.

      JC

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    11. Lol! Great way to make Martin and any other newbie contributors feel welcome here, John. Start by welcoming their ideas, but then quickly add only if they happen to agree with your particular and still unrevealed clues since anything different must be imaginary. Further add that you intend to delete whatever they share with us. No wonder this blog has been sliding downhill since last March. Some think that was because of the severed head curse in MT that was revealed then, but maybe the real cause is your arrogance and paranoia?

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    12. Martin is not a newbie, he, Ken and his sock puppets have been hanging around here like a bad smell for a long time.

      If you seriously dismiss the fact that Bessler embedded numerous clues about the importance of the number five in literally dozens of places, even changing his name to add yet another reference to it, then there is no hope for you to discover Bessler’s secret. My so-called “unrevealed clues” are posted for all to see both here and on three other websites.

      I think your own words betray your arrogance, and why you have nothing but negativity to offer makes me wonder why you persist in trying to influence opinions about my efforts to solve this riddle.

      JC

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    13. JC is right that I am not a newbie. I followed this blog for a few years before commenting here for the first time last year. I had used the clues in Bessler's drawings to develop a five mechanism wheel that I thought everyone, especially JC, would find interesting since, like me, he is committed to a five mechanism design. Instead, I was insulted then and am STILL being insulted by him and had my comments deleted back then without explanation. I never revealed my breakthrough design and I obviously made the mistake of offering to do so again in my first comment on this current blog. Still more insults and now accused of being KB's sock puppet!

      Lesson learned and that's enough for me. I will stop following this blog and NEVER again attempt to make any comments on it or share any of my own clues and the five mechanism design I got from them here. I intend to follow anon 23:08'a advice (thanks!) and make a youtube video to reveal the design and get credit for it there. Those who wish to keep coming here and kissing JC's butt for some new clues are welcomed to do so. I won't be joining you! JC will also get no more of his cheap ego trips by deleting my comments. He can now move on to getting them from others who are stupid enough to try to share their serious research here. I think he needs those little ego trips because he's not getting any by making any real progress with Bessler's wheels.

      Adios everyone. Look for my youtube video in the next few months. JC won't be able to get a cheap ego trip by deleting it!

      Martin

      PS...As for that anon who thought he was being clever by impersonating me with his 26 August 2023 at 22:25 comment that he signed with my name...I think you're just another failed Bessler wheel chaser who must stoop to trying to create confusion and havoc on blogs to get your own little ego trips because you can't get them by offering anything of value about Bessler's wheels here. You're not clever...just pathetic.

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    14. LOL! Martin realizes his last comment sounds a lot like Ken, so now he's acting like he got impersonated!!! Seems to me like Martin is the one who is a pathetic failed wheel chaser.

      He's also a pathological liar, as evidenced by his comment last year:

      "Now as a result I will never share that drawing here or any others I might ever make. In fact, I've decided to do some deleting of my own starting with the link to this blog I put on my laptop's bookmarks toolbar months ago. This place isn't what I mistaken thought it was and I'm glad I found that out before investing anymore of my time with it. Lesson well learned."

      Yeah, I guess he really learned it! But he'll claim that wasn't his comment either!!!

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    15. Who got impregnated ?

      Anonymous29 August 2023 at 01:25
      you are still anon even if you sign off with Martin , writing Martin or poopoo or captain america in your comment when your anon does not mean you are who you pretend to be.

      Look who i am and since i am who i am i would have you know Ben Kehrend wheel is a dud.

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    16. Martin is not Ken B because there is no way the real Ken B would be talking about a five weight Bessler wheel design. Ken B is 100% dedicated to his eight weight wheel design and claims he has sims that prove it works. I think Martin has a right to feel insulted. He was the only person I've ever seen here actually trying to push a five mech approach like John and got shat on as a result. I would have liked to have seen Martin's "revolutionary" five mech design because we sure ain't seeing anything new from John and I doubt if we ever will. All he delivers here are excuses why he can't show anything new now, but will do it soon. "Soon" never seems to arrive though. One of his favorite lines is:

      "As promised, the full details will be published here regardless of whether I succeed or not."

      We've been reading that bs about every month or so for years now. He will never show us anything new because he will never admit that he cannot succeed. That's because he'll always think he's just one little design change away from final success and doesn't want anyone to steal his design if he shows what he's got so far. He'll keep that kind of delusional thinking going right up to the second that he finally drops off his perch.

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    17. Anon 21:49.. perhaps you’re right, maybe I am deluded, who knows? I know I’m not and I hope when you see what I’ve been working on all these years you will change your opinion of my work. Until then I’ll continue to work on it.

      JC

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    18. Wow what a toxic bunch of malcontents at this blog

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    19. John wrote above "...but I’ve now got a space in my garage and I’ve started to build again."

      Sounds good, but we all know how this is going to turn out. In a few months you'll be saying it's just too cold to work in the garage and all building must cease until the spring thaw! My question is why can't you move your one table "workshop" into your new house so you can stay toasty warm and continue to build during the winter months?

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    20. No need, the garage has a heater and I have a lot more than a one table workshop now.

      JC

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    21. JC wrote: "...I’ve got maybe three or four pictures which I might post in the next blog, but I will post pictures of my current build for the first time."

      Looks like we're all finally going to SEE something! Don't worry about it looking "crude but simple" since that is to be expected with any prototype. Whatever you reveal I'll play around with the design with a sim and see if it looks like it has potential. Keep in mind that it's hard to judge a five mech design based on just a single one of the five mechs moving around during wheel rotation. You really need to see what happens as the other four are also simultaneously moving about because the one mech might be trying to move the CoG onto the descending side of the wheel to create imbalance while the other four are working together to move it over to the ascending side with the result being that there is no imbalance and the CoG of the five mechs just stays under the axle and produces no net torque to drive the wheel. While having to build five identical mechs is a real pain, simming five can be easily done.

      Hopefully we'll see something impressive.

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    22. Hi, I'm new to this blog as I was researching free energy and stumbled across the legend of Orffyreus. Does anyone have a good idea of what the design might have been?

      Jake

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    23. @Jake
      Yes, you can see the original design in a book written by someone named Ken Behrendt in his wonderful book on the subject called The Triumphant Orffyrean Perpetual Motion Finally Explained.

      In the book, Ken takes you on a virtual tour of what Bessler did and how he constructed his wheels. It is a fascinating biography as well as a complete description of his design!

      Todd

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    24. @Todd

      Thank you for the information! I'm definitely going to buy that book, it definitely seems like it has a lot of details because I just checked the number of pages and it seems quite large for this subject.

      Thank you so much!
      Jake

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    25. Looks like our troll is back again and now he's playing the parts of both "Jake" and "Todd" who are having a little chat with each other. He's again promoting the Ken B book which is actually intended to annoy John. So far, the design Ken B offers has not been verified by anyone other than Ken B. It's an interesting design but there are lots of other interesting ones on the net and none of them ever worked. What are the chances that Ken B's wheel will be different? Meanwhile, I want to see what John's got based on his research into Bessler's clues.

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    26. Oh no, it looks like the JC sock puppet troll is back, picking on newbies like Jake and hoping that JC will delete their comments and make them go away so they can't show any of their own designs here. Poor Jake doesn't know that KB is bad news around here, and so now JC's pet stooge is going to hound him and call him a troll. He must be very offended at this warm welcome he received. No wonder this blog is going downhill!

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    27. Hello,
      Yes, I was quite confused as to why somebody would call me a troll when I am new here, and I have no idea who Todd is or why he thinks I'm Todd which is rather insane. I see that this blog must be infested with mental cases! However, since I am obviously not welcome here, I will no longer be visiting this blog.
      Jake

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    28. Oh my goodness, I am devastated that Jake won’t be back! Good riddance!

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    29. Anonymous 30 August 2023 at 23:06 Jake
      Anonymous 30 August 2023 at 23:12 Todd
      Anonymous 30 August 2023 at 23:14 Jake

      Anonymous 31 August 2023 at 02:16
      Oh no, it looks like the JC sock puppet troll is back

      Anonymous 31 August 2023 at 02:16
      Hello,
      Yes, I was quite confused as to why somebody would call me a troll ...Jake

      Time between replies ... when you have a conversation with yourself ...

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    30. Well it would seem that since I was here last, not much progress has been make toward a moto perpetuo as finally succeeded.
      I am rooting always for that happy circumstance, no question.
      John, has our favorite Frenchman commented here recently?
      I've emailed him but get back no response. He was going to help me with stamp album designs done in French!
      He truly is a good chap. I surely do hope that the Covid thing did not allay him.
      I read here that you are working on a new model.
      Well, all of the very best to yourself for further longevity and, to IT for smashing success!

      Cheerio and ta-ta!

      James M.

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  2. Avete notato le immagini in fondo a sinistra, questa é la pista che sta seguendo John e direi che ora é solo questione di tempo.
    Giuseppe Pelotti

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    1. Translated - “ Have you noticed the images at the bottom left, this is the lead that John is following and I would say that now it's only a matter of time.”
      No comment, JC

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