At the beginning of November I posted a ‘curious fact’, about how Bessler sent Karl a special greeting each year, on his name day, full of thanks and praise for the Landgrave, these were full of his favourite chronograms, each including the date of the document. One curious feature was the discovery that he composed special editions dated 1519, 1619, 1719, 1819, 1919 and 2019! Perhaps he anticipate that it would take another 300 rears or so to decipher his clues and produce a working model of his wheel?
I promised to post photos of all twelve greetings in case anyone wanted to study them and see if they could find evidence that there was hidden information in them. The quality is not good but at least they are in public view and perhaps copies of the originals can be obtained.
The quality is not brilliant but you can enlarge them and maybe find the key to unravelling any kind of information hidden in the page. I might be wrong of course in which case these pages can remain available for future consideration or not.
Anyway I’ve wanted to publish these for a long time. Good luck.
JC
JC
Sorry, I don't read 18th century German. But, I do know how to find symbols in drawings like SoS taught me to do! I focused in on that drawing at the top of the second page of the poem and found some interesting symbols in it. Here's an enlargement of that drawing:
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The two cherubim immediately caught my attention. We see them in another drawing which is that second portrait in DT where they are on the corners of the organ in the background. Cherubim were considered as little baby or child angels who delivered messages from God to humans and Bessler was convinced that God gave him the secret of pm. The two angels in the poem drawing are holding up a crown which I assume is for Karl. But, that circular crown is also, imo, a symbol for Bessler's pm wheels! It is made of gold and Bessler considered his wheels to be very valuable just like gold. On the rim of the crown there are symbols that look like springs and a suggestion that everything is connected together inside of his wheels. That interconnectedness is also suggested by the laurel leaf crown being held by the cherubim on the left. That second crown is another symbol for Bessler's wheels. Laurel leaf crowns were, in ancient times, given to someone to honor some great achievement of theirs. In this drawing they symbolize Bessler's great achievement of discovering a working pm wheel design.
There are also several Y shape symbols in the drawing which I and, of course, SoS are convinced was the shape of the levers Bessler used in his wheels. The most prominent one is formed by the leaves on the right side of the drawing.
There's probably more in this drawing that I missed. These were just my first impressions. I'd also like to be able to read an accurate English translation of this poem if it's ever available.
Disciple of SoS
Nice analysis, DoSoS. From studying your enlarged image I noticed something. Look at the center lion in the circle below the large gold crown held by the two angels. It's standing on its hind legs and wearing a crown and I assume it is supposed to represent Carl. Then I noticed it has TWO tails! I looked it up and this was something done to show that someone, like Carl, was courageous and honorable. But, IF the emblem was made up by Bessler, then he might have intended that center lion's crown to also represent his pm wheels. The twin tails could mean that his largest and most impressive wheels could turn in either of two directions. I'm just guessing about all this. (Btw. Your analysis of MT85 a few blogs back really impressed me.)
DeleteThe fact that this poem was written in 1719, after the construction of his largest wheel in 1717 thanks to his patron Karl, tells me that Bessler would have somehow mixed in symbols for his wheels while also stroking Karl's ego with his drawing. DoSoS's analysis of the big gold crown representing Bessler's pm wheels also makes sense especially since it has, as he shows in his uploaded image, a total of eight flowers which, obviously, could stand for eight mechs. John would probably only notice the front five flowers and immediately declare that meant Bessler's wheels used only five mechs!
DeleteThen there's that year of 1719. If you add the first two digits and subtract the last two digits, you get 1 + 7 = 8 and 9 - 1 = 8. That could mean that Bessler's two way wheels each contained two one way wheels with eight mechs each. Come to think of it, if you use the year 1717 you get 1 + 7 = 8 and 1 + 7 = 8! Also, if you subtract the digits you get 7 - 1 = 6 and 7 - 1 = 6. Two 6's. Bessler first publicly demonstrated a small one direction wheel in Gera on June, the 6th month, on the 6th day of that month. There's the two 6's again. Coincidence? When it comes to Bessler's clues, there are no coincidences! The problem is to accurately determine what is and is not a clue. Not an easy task and that's exactly how Bessler intended it to be!
DoSoS wrote "The most prominent one is formed by the leaves on the right side of the drawing."
DeleteI agree those leaves definitely form the letter Y. I noticed something about one of the leaves. The leaf on the left side is bent down and points to the ear of the right side angel. IIRC, there was a belief in the 18th century that dreams were caused by little angels or "cherubim" fluttering into the bedroom of a sleeping person and whispering things into his ear (actually sounds a little creepy to me). Bessler did say he had an "invigorating" dream that spurred him on to find a working pm wheel design. Maybe he thought an angel was sent from God to whisper that dream's images into his mind as he slept? Now we see part of a Y lever symbol pointing to someone's ear. Maybe this was Bessler's way of saying that the Y lever shape was whispered into his ear as he slept by a visiting angel? To bad he never described that dream in detail. But, maybe he didn't because, if he did, he'd be giving away the secret of his pm wheels!
I just took all of the information from the Bessler story and fed it into Google's "Gemini" AI program. My prompt was "Tell me the most likely dream image Bessler would have had as a result of this story". Here's what that powerful AI program produced:
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That could be a lot closer to the truth than anyone thinks...
DeleteAll this talk of dreams, angels, levers, and ears is most interesting. I decided to take a closer look at that second page drawing and I think I found more Y leaves pointing to that right side angel's ear. You can see what I found here:
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I noticed something else that's strange. Look at the right angel's head. He has it turned to look at the side of the big crown he holds up. As he does that he exposes his ear so that the two leaves can point toward it. Now look at the side of the head of the left side angel. He also looks toward the side of the crown he holds up, BUT we cannot see his ear! It's covered with some of his curly hair. Imo, this was done on purpose by Bessler to draw our attention to the exposed ear of the right side angel. And that was done to eventually draw our attention to those leaves that are shaped like Y's. I think SoS would be very happy to see this new clue. It looks like even more proof that Bessler did use Y shape levers in his pm wheels.
Good work, anon 18:09. I didn't notice that detail about only the right angel's ear being exposed (I have no doubt however that SoS would have found it). If you keep finding things like that you could become the next disciple of SoS!
DeleteI decided to take a closer look at that second drawing at the bottom of page 3 of the special poem for Karl. It's much smaller and I had difficulty even recognizing what it was. But, I eventually found out it's the Roman goddess Justitia who symbolizes moral force in judicial systems and is often used as a symbol for courts and such. In the poem's drawing she's shown sitting and not blindfolded. I was hoping to find a lot of new clues in the drawing, but only found two possible ones. Here's a paint sketch I made using two of the best resolution images I could obtain. On the right side image I've indicated what may be the new clues.
https://i.postimg.cc/K8X5Z38j/Roman-Goddess-Justitia.jpg
In one hand she holds a sword and in the other hand she holds a balance which is the type that consists of a suspended beam that in turn has two pans suspended from its ends. That beam is supposed to perfectly level when the weights in the two pans are equal. But in the drawing, the beam is not level but slants very slightly toward its left end. I think this is Bessler's way of telling us that his pm wheels were always out of balance. In other words, the weight of the descending side of one of his wheels was slightly more than the weight of the ascending side. This is only possible if the CoG of the wheel's weights was always kept on the wheel's descending side.
Justitia nowadays is almost always shown standing, but the Romans usually showed her seated. If she's standing, there are no folds in her tunic. But, when she's seated, as she is in the poem's drawing, there will be folds in her tunic. I noticed that there are three folds that appear to form a Y shape. I've indicated them with yellow lines in the right side image I uploaded.
Disciple of SoS
@DoSoS
DeleteThose extra clues you found in that little Justitia image are a bit vague and imo not as impressive as what you found in the first image you analyzed.
I noticed someone below asked JC if there were any drawings in the other special poems he has copies of and so far no reply from him. Is that a no? I'm starting to wonder if he even bothers reading the comments here anymore?
Considering how much time and effort Bessler must have put into making those chronograms, I have no doubt that he hid a lot of clues in them. Maybe the sales of his GB, AP, and DT books were starting to drop off and he realized that he might never get MT published. Those chronograms would then be his last chance to have some of his pm wheel secrets permanently preserved. I agree that we should focus on any drawings in them because all of the Bible verses he included may have been put there solely to preserve his version of Christianity and won't be pertinent to the mechanics of his wheels. I'm assuming that the drawings were only made for the "special editions" of his annual greeting cards for Karl.
DeleteYes, we need to see any drawing and as soon as possible. They could greatly expand the many clues that have already been found in AP, DT, and MT. But, if Bessler did use those "Y" shape levers everyone talks about, then we need to know a lot more than just their general shape. We need to know the specifics of the levers. Their sizes, arm lengths, angles, rope and spring attachment points, the masses of the weights they held. We also need to know the details of the ropes used to interconnect the levers and of the springs he used for counter balancing everything. Without that critical information I don't see any hope of exact replicas of his wheels ever being made. It will all just remain guesswork. We've had 300 years of such time and effort wasting guesswork. We need details for a change.
If those are angels in that first drawing, then how come they don't have wings? The angels in the second DT portrait did have wings. Are there two types of angels...with and without wings?
DeleteAngels in the Bible usually don't have wings and look like regular humans. Cherubim, however, are a different story. The Bible does describe them as having two or even four wings and multiple faces. They are created spiritual beings, immortal, and serve God in different ways. Unlike angels, they are usually not messengers for God. However, in the Middle Ages, artists started depicting all angels as having wings. It's my belief that they also decided to make cherubim or cherubs look like flying babies and children because of all of the babies who were dying or stillborn or miscarried in those pestilential times. This gave a Christian mother the comforting belief that her lost child was up in Heaven and serving God and that she, one day, might find that child again in the afterlife. I'm an atheist, but I often envy those who can obtain comfort from a belief, even if it's a delusional one. Maybe that's why religions were invented...to give humans the hope that there really is something more to life than our "veil of tears" and running oneself into an early grave trying to get his bills paid while also making the rich richer.
DeleteThe drawing is irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly what B wanted you to think.
DeleteI agree anon 22:25. I’m more curious about the chronograms and the Bible references at the end of sentences.
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There's a saying that "a picture is worth a thousand words". If DoSoS could get that much symbolism out of the one drawing for 1719, then I'm wondering if there are additional drawings in the remaining special editions dated 1519, 1619, 1819, 1919 and 2019 that he could analyze for us. You have copies of those other editions. Are there additional drawings in them?
DeleteBessler didn't draw that drawing to hide symbols and clues. Karl already knew the secret.
DeleteI fart in your general direction. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
JC wrote: "I’m more curious about the chronograms and the Bible references at the end of sentences."
DeleteYou've been "curious" about them for the last two decades and that's led to nothing so far. Do you actually think that will change in the coming years? I certainly don't. At least with the drawings we're finally seeing some new clues for a change.
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
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DeleteI didn’t respond to the questions about any more drawings because I posted all the pages of.
DeleteChronograms here in one go, so you can see for your selves that there are no more drawings.
I'm planning to post another set of documents which are full of handwritten chronograms which might contain additional information…..who knows? They must have served some purpose in Bessler’s mind and I don’t want to take the chance that something important gets missed.
Even if no one finds anything, they’ll still be here even when I’m gone, just in case!
JC
No more drawings? Damn! They are what guys like SoS and his new disciple thrive on. It's kind of fun finding something new in those drawings after three hundred years have passed.
DeleteBtw I agree with anon 07:17 above. We need more details on the levers Bessler used and what his connectedness principle was. It seems like the two must be present together or no pm.
The next time SoS shows up here I intend to ask (even beg if necessary) him to see if he can find the complete lever Bessler used somewhere in the few drawings we have. He seems like the agreeable type.
SoS always gives us bits and pieces clues and they are interesting but I'm convinced Bessler actually very carefully hid the entire lever somewhere. If he needed to prove that he invented the wheel first after another inventor revealed the same design and claimed he was the original inventor, then Bessler needed to show his complete secret lever in a previous published work instead of just a bunch of little number clues here and there. I know that complete lever is there somewhere but I'm not able to find it. Maybe you have to combine parts of different drawings to see it? If anyone can find it, SoS can. I will ask him next time he's here. Seems like every year he appears just before Christmas with a nice little gift clue for us. This time around I'll be asking him for the ultimate gift clue!
JC: "Even if no one finds anything, they’ll still be here even when I’m gone, just in case!"
DeleteDid you ever consider that after you are dead and your corpse is disposed of that the owner off blogspot which is Google might decide they're not making enough ad revenue off it and they then just hit a few keys and delete EVERYTHING permanently? It's happened to other under performing websites in the past. The profit hungry capitalists couldn't give a sh*t about the work everyone puts into keeping a blog like this going. I highly recommend that anyone here who has an interest in any blogs , their comments, or its linked to images make archival copies of them and then make sure you store them on something like a thumb drive just in case your decade old computer that you were too cheap or lazy to replace finally dies and goes to computer heaven. Better yet, put them on two thumb drives in case you loose one or one becomes unusable for some reason. Once this material is lost, it won't be coming back again.
GET READY FOR AN EARTHQUAKE EVERYONE!!!
ReplyDeleteAnon 07:17 wrote: "Those chronograms would then be his last chance to have some of his pm wheel secrets permanently preserved."
Anon 19:34 wrote: "...I'm convinced Bessler actually very carefully hid the entire lever somewhere. If he needed to prove that he invented the wheel first after another inventor revealed the same design and claimed he was the original inventor, then Bessler needed to show his complete secret lever in a previous published work."
I happen to agree with the both of you. That poem's drawing could have been Bessler's last chance to save the shape of his secret pm lever and he was sure that it would be preserved as long as Karl's ancestors kept those annual poems safe. Well, he was quite right because here we all are looking at them 300 years later thanks to JC!
I went back to an October 28th comment where anon 02:15 gave a link to the KB lever he got from one of KB's old youtube videos. This is anon 02:15's enhanced version of that lever:
https://postimg.cc/62SQ76XW
I decided to see if it was possible that this exact lever shape might have been hidden in that last drawing Bessler made for Karl (I put anon 02:15's version of the KB lever in the lower left corner of my drawing for comparison). To my complete astonishment, I found that it IS there! Here's what I found:
https://i.postimg.cc/jSQ5tWZ3/Hidden-Y-Lever-Revealed.jpg
First, ALL of the ratios of the pivot to connection point distances I found in Bessler's last drawing exactly match those in the KB lever (I measured those distances off of my laptop screen with a clear plastic mm ruler as accurately as I could). The angle between the A and Main arms is also exactly 45 degrees (again measured with a clear plastic protractor as accurately as I could). The hidden Y shaped lever has its pivot located at the ear of the rampant lion that represents Karl at the center of the emblem. Maybe this was Bessler's way of honoring Karl for being his patron and funding the construction of his largest and most powerful wheel at Weissenstein Castle?
Next, the end connection points of the three Y lever arms are all there and exactly where they should be. The L2 point at the end of the Main arm to which lead cylinder weights would have been bolted is located at the right side angel's extended foot's big toe (recall that Bessler also used an extended toe in MT85 as a marker). The A4 point at the end of the A arm is located at the right side angel's ear. The B1 point at the end of the B arm is located at the pointed shadow of the elbow crease of the left side angel's arm that holds the laurel leave wreath which is another symbol for one of Bessler's pm wheels.
Imo, the chance of all of these matches being coincidental is about 1 in a million! I have to consider this as proof that Bessler did hide his secret pm lever shape in that 1719 annual poem's drawing.
My apology to SoS for beating him to this discovery. But without his inspiration over the years I would not have been able to find it! Also, MUCH thanks to JC for making this last drawing of Bessler available to Bessler researchers today!
Disciple of SoS
Congrats, DoSoS. I think you just hit the jackpot!
DeleteCareful with your showing off, DoSoS, lest your master SoS grow envious of you!
Deleteanon 22:25: "The drawing is irrelevant."
DeleteJC: "I agree anon 22:25."
Lol! How 100% WRONG you two were! That drawing probably contains one of the most important clues to ever come along on this blog! There had to be something special about Bessler's last drawing and DoSoS managed to find it. What an unexpected surprise.
Very interesting find, DoSoS. What convinces me it's genuine is how the two arms, the longest main arm and shortest A arm, make a perfect 45 degree angle with each other and the other B arm left of the pivot point, if extended to the right of the pivot, would then perfectly bisect that angle. That cant just be chance. It had to be designed that way. But, it's like a minimum design. There are several other points on the main and A arms. How do you get those points? Wouldn't including those other points also be part of the secret lever design that Bessler wanted to record?
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Thanks, Brad. I agree it's too perfect to be an accidental alignment of points. I also agree that it looks "bare" like it's just a skeleton of a complete Y lever. To really prove his priority to the specially shaped lever that makes a pm wheel possible, Bessler would have needed to provide more details like those extra connection points you noticed were missing. I am working on trying to figure out how he would have located them along the Main and A arms and, hopefully, I'll have a solution in a few days. If not, I'll have to let SoS take over with this when he shows up here again.
DeleteIn the meantime, I have a little challenge for those interested in this last and very important drawing by Bessler.
Even if he hid the entire lever in the drawing, he would still have wanted to give some extra information like showing where inside a wheel's drum the lever's pivot was supposed to be fixed. One could probably place all of the pivots at any distance from the center of the axle, but Bessler must have found one location that gave the most power for a wheel. This would be important in any pm wheel whose design causes it to have low torque.
Years ago SoS found a very important clue that provides that location. People here started to call it "Bessler's Lucky Ratio" and found it used in other Bessler drawings. It was a fraction, 0.777... to be exact, that a Bessler wheel builder had to multiply the radius of his wheel by to determine where inside of the drum to place the lever pivots for maximum power output. For a 12 ft diameter wheel with a 6 ft radius, the pivots for all of the levers (and their number is assumed by most to be eight) had to be placed at a distance of 6 ft x 0.777 = 4.666 ft or 56 inches from the center of the wheel's axle. This means that if a wheel is 72 inches in radius like the Merseburg or Kassal wheels were, then a lever's Main arm with the weight at its end would have to be shorter than 16 inches otherwise the lead weight at its end would start hitting against the inside surface of the drum's curving outer rim wall.
As I was working on my paint sketch of that last drawing in the Bessler poem for Karl, I suddenly realized that lucky ratio of 0.777... is actually included in his drawing! I couldn't believe my eyes when I first found it. So, here's a nice little test to see who here are the most observant and have the most discerning minds. If you think you qualify, then see if you can find where Bessler hid his lucky ratio in the drawing. The only hint I will give you is that it is "hidden in plain sight" as JC occasionally says.
Tomorrow I'll provide the location and I think it will amaze everyone and also show how really ingenious Bessler was when he made his drawings and hid information in them.
Disciple of SoS
I’m lost for words!
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If that drawing is so damn important then why are we only seeing it now?! Why the hell did John keep it hidden all of these years? More important is what else is he hiding from us and WHY?
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DeleteJohn was not trying to hide that drawing. He posted an image of it back in 2019 which you can see here:
https://johncollinsnews.blogspot.com/2019/10/karls-new-year-card.html
You can also find some translations on bwf of the German text on pages 1, 2, and 12 of the card by someone called "ME" from the Netherlands. It's mostly a lot of religious mumbo jumbo and, imo, has zero to do with B's pm wheels:
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Ok, DoSoS, I'm looking all over that Bessler drawing and I don't see any trace of his lucky ratio. There isn't a single number 7 anywhere yet you say it's "in plain sight"? Are you pranking us? We dont like pranksters around here.
DeleteAnyway, I think you are at least partially right about the reason for the lever pivots being 0.777 of the way between the axle and the drum rim because, obviously, that puts any weights as far from the axle center as possible and should also move the cog as far from the axle center as possible for more imbalance and greater torque. However, I think Bessler had another reason for that particular ratio's numbers. It was mentioned a few blogs ago how a lot of 7's had something to do with Jesus telling one of his apostles how many times he should forgive someone of his sins or something like that. It was something like 7x7x7 times. So, imo, that ratio was determined mostly by Bessler's religious beliefs and not strictly for mechanical reasons. Also I read somewhere that 7 is supposed to be a very lucky number and I'm sure Bessler wanted to have a much luck as possible to find a buyer for his invention.
For those tempted by DoSoS's challenge and struggling to find Bessler's "Lucky Ratio" in his last drawing (do we know that for a fact?), here's a "blank" image of the drawing with no markups on it:
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Good luck finding that ratio...you'll need it!
Ha haha...yes I see it now...finally! It's like some sort of optical illusion. Once you know where to look it's obvious. Took me while though. How did B think stuff like this up?
DeleteI don't see it. I guess I'm not smart enough which is probably why my wheels never work. I'll be looking forward to the solution.
DeleteWake up everyone...you're being made into fools looking for something that's not there. I've carefully gone over that drawing several times and there are no 7's anywhere in it. This is some sort of twisted joke. I'll bet dollars to donut holes that the sock puppet who calls himself "DoSoS" will soon disappear because he can't show us any evidence of that so-called "lucky ratio" in that drawing. Now watch and see how right I'll be. I also think that Y thing he found in the drawing is a product of his imagination and has nothing to do with Bessler's wheels. You could take different points in the drawing and come up with an infinite number of shapes.
DeleteWhen I said “I’m lost for words”, I meant it as an idiom meaning “To be stunned to the point of being speechless!” Nothing in DoSoS’s comments bear any connection with any of Bessler’s clues, and I have successfully ignored them until now, remaining textually silent. It is of course only my opinion, and one could argue that his comments are intended to entertain us, maybe so, but there is no warning to that effect.
DeletePersonally I think that any clue which relates or seems to relate Ken B’s so-called solution to Bessler’s wheel has no place here.
JC
anon 10:00 wrote: "I'll bet dollars to donut holes that the sock puppet who calls himself "DoSoS" will soon disappear because he can't show us any evidence of that so-called "lucky ratio" in that drawing."
DeleteI accept your offer! I wager 1,000 donut holes to your $1,000 USD that DoSoS WILL provide us with a solution as he promised to do. If I win, then I will provide you with instructions on how you can send my winnings to me. If I lose, then all you need do is take about a dozen deep breaths to collect your equivalent of 1,000 donut holes.
Brad
@JC If DoSoS's comments are meant to "entertain" us, then I say keep them coming! I find that I enjoy this blog a lot more when either he or SoS is here and showing us something new. Without them this place would be just as boring as bwf eventually became. I want to see as many new Bessler clues as possible. Imo, they help to keep this subject fresh.
DeleteI don't think either DoSoS or SoS are here to entertain us. I think they are very serious Bessler researchers and, so far, I've found myself agreeing with most of the clues they've found for us. As far as Ken B and his wheel are concerned, he's apparently found a solution that he is satisfied with. That's really no different from JC who also appears to have found something he's satisfied with. Also, the two are alike because neither of their solutions has yet led to a working physical wheel like one you can put on a tabletop and watch run continuously until something breaks inside of it. Hopefully, the day when that happens will soon arrive for them or someone else. We have to remain hopeful.
DeleteNo dosos is not entertaining nor sos nor any other disciples. It’s boring as ever. The y theory is bupkis
DeleteNice to see some people successfully found Bessler's lucky ratio and, for those who did not, please don't feel too bad about it. I almost didn't notice it myself. SoS, however, probably would have zeroed in on it in a matter of seconds! Unfortunately, I'm still no SoS.
ReplyDeleteSo here's the location of this new clue. Look at that circle in the center of the drawing containing the emblem that is between the two angels and then notice that little cross with the two horizontal beams on it in the upper left quadrant of the circle. Some Christian denominations use that kind of double beam cross. I think the upper beam can represent a plaque supposedly nailed over Jesus' head that read "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" and was intended by the Romans to mock him and his followers during his crucifixion. Then again, maybe he was supposed to be nailed to the upper beam and the lower beam was a foot rest of some sort to help him push up from to reduce the strain on his outstretched arms? This second version may be the one depicted in Bessler's drawing because on the upper beam you can just make out two dark spots that could have represent blood stains left from Jesus' nailed wrists after he was removed from the cross.
Anyway, the cross itself looks like two + signs from arithmetic connected together on top of each other which tells us we have to combine numbers in some way. If you carefully cut up that cross into four sections, you will notice that the two left side pieces look exactly like the number 7, but the other two right side pieces look like mirror images of the number 7. You can then put all four pieces next to each other to get the number 7777, BUT only AFTER the two right side pieces you cut out have been horizontally flipped around so they actually also look like 7's. What about the decimal point? It's symbolized by the point on the top left part of the emblem's central shield that just touches the bottom of the cross. Using the circle containing the emblem to justify using a zero which looks like a circle then lets you write 0.7777.
Here's a quick paint sketch I made to show how you get Bessler's lucky ratio from that little double beam cross:
https://i.postimg.cc/kXsYkdb4/Lucky-Ratio-in-Poem-Drawing.jpg
I also have some good news to report on my efforts to determine how Bessler intended to provide the missing details on that "bare" Y shaped lever that he hid in his last drawing. I think I've discovered the actual technique he would have used, but, so far, I only have about half of it. I'll keep working on it and, hopefully, in a day or two I'll have it all and can share it here. Then, for the first time in 300 years, we will all finally know exactly how Bessler would have proved, by using that single and unique last drawing of his, that he was the first one to find that special Y shaped lever if another inventor managed to find it and then claimed priority to it. This method, when applied to that lever would have been Bessler's insurance for successfully claiming priority if he had no working wheel or prior published drawings of his wheel's mechanisms were available at the time to contest that later inventor's claim.
The more one studies Bessler and his wheels, the more amazing the story becomes!
Disciple of SoS
If I didn't see this with my own eyes I'd never believe it, but there it is and as you said it is "hidden in plain sight"! Incredible! It looks like you just hit your second jackpot for this blog. Congratulations, DoSoS...AGAIN! But can you make it three in a row? Something tells me you will!
DeleteNow, it’s more boring than ever.
DeleteThat is a very interesting new clue you've found there, DoSoS. It's a very subtle one so it's no wonder most would miss it (like I did!). What convinces me it's genuine is the way that point on the top of the shield just happens to touch the cross or should I say one of the reversed number 7's in the cross. That had to be done on purpose and there's really no other reason for it except, as you say, to be a symbol for a decimal point. I can just imagine Bessler pointing it out to Karl to delight him.
DeleteThe Ghost of Bessler approves!
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Wow, I didn't see that one coming, DoSoS! Actually, you don't even have to use most of those pieces you cut out of the cross. You could just use the dark outlines around the sides of the horizontal and vertical beams of the cross to form your 7's. Those 7's were obviously very important to Bessler. Didn't SoS once say that he carries talismans or charms that are shaped like the number 7 for good luck? Anyway congratulations on your discovery and I'll also be looking forward to seeing that "technique" you say Bessler used. Sounds like it was a secret decoding method that only he would know about...unless, of course, you have actually rediscovered it!
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Now that you LOST your November 23rd wager with me, it's time for you to pay me the $1,000 USD you owe me. However, do not send it to me. I have a better idea. Send a bank draft for the amount of your loss to John and he can then send it on to his granddaughter Amy. It can be a Christmas gift to her from the followers of this blog that she can use to buy herself and her loved ones some nice gifts for Christmas. Just as soon as John gets your check, he can comment here that he's gotten it and it's on its way to Amy. As for those 1,000 donut holes you lost, I'll keep them...after I finish off all of the donuts that contained them!
Brad
Thanks for another interesting clue, DoSoS! I decided to analyze that little cross myself and managed to find not four, but TEN number 7's hidden in it! I just used the curving edges of the cross. I have trouble with artwork so this is the best I could do:
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From my point of view one of the disadvantages of not having to sign in here to post a comment is that there is no way of knowing if all these comments are actually Ken B or one of his acollyrey.. I hope not because it would spoil the freedom of expression and opinion currently being enjoyed here.
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DeleteI don't know about other commenters here, but I know who I am and I am NOT Ken B or SoS! I am an independent Bessler researcher who has been collecting as many clues as I could about Bessler for years and occasionally commented here anonymously in the past. Now, since I am confident that I finally have something to contribute that is of value, I am signing my comments, but using a pseudonym (which I hope will not be offensive to SoS who has had much influence on me).
Anyway, a quick update on my ongoing research. I believe I can now reveal how Bessler intended to use that last drawing of his to verify his priority to the specially shaped levers he used in his wheels. It is a method of decoding the drawing by locating just ten of what I call "convergence points" along its edges and inside the drawing. Once that is done, lines can be drawn between certain of them and, as if by magic, the details of his lever will emerge. This method is amazing once one realizes how it works. Without the additional information provided by his decoding method, anyone who managed to find that bare Y shape in the last drawing and realized it was a lever, which is really not that difficult to do, would find that information useless as far as making his own pm wheel work by using a lever with that shape. Bessler's decoding method was the key to unlocking the additional information necessary to actually be able to use the levers in a working pm wheel. I also suspect, but cannot yet prove, that he may have used a similar method in his other drawings.
I have almost completed a very colorful paint sketch to illustrate this decoding method Bessler used and, if possible, I'll try to have it ready to show by tonight my local time. I think those who take their Bessler research seriously like I do will find it to be very interesting. Others can feel free to ignore it just as they now seem to be doing with the next blog after this one.
Disciple of SoS
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DeleteLol! Good luck collecting you winnings from anon 10:00. He's just another boasting troll type who contributes nothing but a lot of negative noise. Most likely he's a nutter living in his parents' basement with a net worth of less than 50 bucks! The internet is filled with them nowadays. Well, at least it keeps them off the streets and out of trouble.
@DoSoS
DeleteSir, you now have a place of distinction in my Bessler files. I've made a new folder to exclusively contain your various clue images and any images by others inspired by your images. At the rate you are going, your folder's content could eventually surpass that of the one I maintain for SoS! Good show! Also, because of its importance, I'm also making complete and updated copies of this blog's comments section just in case it "mysteriously" disappears for some reason!
@DoSoS
DeleteThanks for your 7777 clue revelation. I guess you don't have to be a genius to figure out it would be on the cross in the drawing. Let's see how the necessary logic works. Bessler is a Jesus fan...Jesus was killed on a cross...Bessler loves the number 7...Jesus mentioned a verse loaded with 7's...hmm...maybe there are some 7's on the cross? Good idea...let's check it out!
@DoSoS
DeleteJust letting you know that I find your clues VERY interesting. New clues found in the last drawing Bessler made for his patron...who with any interest in Bessler's wheels would not be interested in something like that? I'll be looking forward to anything else you can show us in the future. Like anon 21:46, I'll also be making copies of them for future reference.
Okay everyone, I managed to complete my paint sketch showing what I am most convinced is the secret decoding method Bessler would have used to reveal the locations of the missing connection points on his Y shaped pm wheel levers. My sketch that you will find a link to below is kind of self explanatory, but I will add some additional explanations below the link.
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Before the final step of applying his decoding method, Bessler would first draw the Y shape lever's three arms in that last drawing that appeared in his annual 1719 card for Karl. I won't repeat how that is done since it was described earlier in this blog. I will, however, repeat that without the extra details provided by his secret decoding method, that first Y shape lever would be useless to anyone trying to steal his invention. Bessler's secret decoding method, preserved in that last drawing of his in Karl's annual poem card, would also assure Bessler that he could always prove his priority to the discovery of the necessary lever shape should some future inventor claim he was really the first to discover it.
Next, to use his final decoding method and reveal the lever's missing connection points, Bessler would locate ten of what I call "convergence points" in his drawing which I have labeled P1 through to P10 moving from the sketch's left to right side. Five of the convergence points are at the pointed tips of leaves and they are P4, P5, P6, P8, and P10. Four at located on the bodies of the two angels and they are two using their hands, P1 and P2, one using a navel, P7, and one using a toe, P9. And a final one is at the very bottom of the central circle, P3.
Drawing lines (I use blue colored ones in my sketch) between these ten convergence points then locates the attachment points on his bare Y shaped lever. I won't bother to describe how the L2, A4, and B1 attachment points at the ends of the arms and the pivot at the lever's fork are found since they can all be gotten just by using the bare lever by itself. This was done in my earlier comment. So, the missing attachment points are:
L1 on the Main arm is located at the intersection of that arm with the blue line from P8 to P10.
A1 on the A arm is located at the intersection of that arm with the blue line from P3 to P4.
A2 on the A arm is located at the intersection of that arm with the blue line from P3 to P6.
A3 on the A arm is located at the intersection of that arm with the blue line from P4 to P7.
So this, imo, was Bessler's additional decoding method that he would have applied to the bare Y shaped lever he hid in that last drawing of his in Karl's annual poem card to show the lever's final details and be able to use that complete information about the lever to contest any future rival inventor who claimed he was the first to discover this unique lever shape.
By studying the arrangement of the blue lines, certain interesting things can be noticed.
The blue and yellow lines that intersect at L1 on the Main arm form a nearly perfect right angle (and may actually form a perfect one if not for some inaccuracies in my sketch).
The three blue lines: P2 to P5, P4 to P7, and P6 to P9 all appear to be perfectly parallel to each other. Also, the blue line from P3 to P4 appears to be perfectly parallel to the blue line from P8 to P10. This, imo, shows intentional design by Bessler.
There may be some additional significance to these parallel lines like maybe they can be used to determine the lengths of the ropes interconnecting the levers which were necessary for the operation of Bessler's "connectedness principle"? Well, that is a matter for future research.
So, there it is everyone. I hope you found it of interest. I'm also wondering if Bessler may have used this same decoding method in his other drawings. Again, that is a matter for future research.
Disciple of SoS
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DeleteCongrats YET AGAIN, DoSoS. You now have hit THREE jackpots in this blog. Even your mentor has never achieved that and I doubt whether he or anyone else ever will.
DeleteYes, truly amazing again, DoSoS. I'm sure that SoS will be very proud of you. It's a pity that we did not have this secret method Bessler used a decade or more ago. It might have made a big difference in the current state of Bessler wheel research. At least it's now available thanks to your efforts. Also, the colors you used in your Paint drawing made it easy to follow your explanations. Those parallel line patterns in his drawing for Karl had to be the result of a lot of planning by Bessler.
DeleteI also agree that all of Bessler's other drawings need to checked to see if he used the same decoding method in them. They could all contain more information about his wheels that is just waiting to be revealed once this method of hidden "convergence points" is applied to them. Of course, finding exactly where those points are hidden won't be easy. It will involve a lot of trial and error work.
It's obvious to me that only someone like Bessler, who was fully immersed in various esoteric subjects, could ever come up with something like this. Thanks again for helping to open our eyes to it.
Brad
Bessler's ghost is shocked...SHOCKED, I tell you, that someone finally cracked his secret decoding method. That was never supposed to ever happen...but it did! If he wasn't dead already, the shock would have killed him!
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Excellent analysis, DoSoS. It could just mark a major turning point in future Bessler drawing research. You were concerned about the accuracy of your measurements made off of your laptop screen with a clear plastic ruler. Yes, that can be a problem as I found out with my own past measurement attempts using one on Bessler's drawings.
DeleteHere is some information that may help you and others. I purchased the download of the Ken B book shortly after it came out in 2019 and in it he gives the distances of the attachment points from the lever's pivot for the two similar shaped levers used in both the 12 foot diameter Merseburg and Kassal wheels. Here is a list of those distances and what multiple each was of the distance from the pivot to the A1 attachment point (that is the shortest distance on a lever) which is the one he says a lever's two spring were attached to (those spring were necessary to counter balance all of the levers on the top half of the drum so they would keep the same overbalanced configuration despite the rotation of the drum). So, now all you have to do is measure the distance from the pivot in your drawing of the lever to the A1 point as accurately as you can and then see if the distances you measure, as accurately as you can, from the pivot to the other points are the same multiples of the pivot to A1 distance as are shown in the list below.
L2 = 14.00 in. = 7.0000 x A1
L1 = 10.40 in. = 5.2000 x A1
A1 = 2.00 in. = 1.0000 x A1
A2 = 3.73 in. = 1.8666 x A1
A3 = 5.60 in. = 2.8000 x A1
A4 = 7.47 in. = 3.7350 x A1
B1 = 8.40 in. = 4.2000 x A1
As you can see, the distance from the pivot to L2 on what he calls the "Main arm" where a weight was attached is 14 inches (I wrote "weight", but he claims that there were actually three lead cylinder weights at the ends of both of these wheels levers! 3 x 4 lbs. for each weight for the Merseburg wheel levers for a total of 12 lbs. and 3 x 8 lbs. for each weight for the Kassal wheel levers for a total of 24 lbs!). Interestingly, that 14 inches is exactly 7 times the distance from the pivot to A1...Bessler just loves that number 7! From the pivot back to the B1 attachment point at the end of what he calls the "B arm" is 8.4 inches. This means if you were holding one of these levers by the ends of its main and B arms, it would be about 22 inches between the L2 and B1 attachment points which is fairly large, but not so I guess for a 12 foot diameter drum. He claims somewhere else that the 14 inches from the pivot to the weight is symbolized by that ruler you see in the second DT portrait on the shop table in front of Bessler. If you count the inches on it you will find that it is exactly 14 inches long (it is difficult to do that because part of the ruler is hidden behind some sort of lamp)! I've never heard of a 14 inch long ruler before so that is kind of strange, imo. However, maybe carpenters in the 18th century used something like that?
Anyway, I hope you find this information of help in checking the accuracy of those blue lines you used to show how Bessler may have decoded that last drawing he made for Karl. Btw. I liked the colors you used in your drawing! Blue and yellow together seems to show up better.
Yeah trying to use plastic rulers and protractors on a laptop's flat plastic screen sounds easy until you actually try it. The plastic rulers and protractors tend to slide around and you have be careful that you don't over measure some distance because while you was looking at one end of the ruler, the other end was sliding off of where you first put it. It would be better to have a large print on paper of a B drawing that you could lay flat on a table and then use your rulers and protractors on it. Too bad they are not available. But they do have laptops now that fold flat without breaking the screen hinge that you can lay flat on a table. Unfortunately, I don't have one of them.
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DeleteThank you so very much for that list of Merseburg/Kassal wheel lever pivot to connection point distances you provided for me. I did not know that such a list was available. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I never got the Ken B book even though I have all of JC's books and copies of various references to Bessler from the writings of others. I can assure you that I will shortly be compensating for that oversight.
Anyway, I used some of the ratios you provided on my paint sketch and found that, although the ratios I get are slightly different, they are close enough for me to stand by the validity of the decoding method that I found Bessler used in that last drawing he made for Karl. The very slight differences I found can easily be dismissed as due to slight misplacements of the locations of my convergence points in the drawing. I basically placed those points by eye as accurately as I could. For example, the ratio I got for the pivot to L2 connection point distance on the Main arm divided by the pivot to A1 distance I measured on the A arm using my transparent mm ruler on my laptop screen (yes, anon 22:47, ruler sliding around is a real and very annoying problem!) was about 6.8 instead of exactly 7.0 as you listed it. That's an error of about 2.9%. Close enough, imo. I'm confident that more accurate measurements can lower that error. Also, we have to keep in mind that there could be small errors in the engraving of Bessler's drawing itself which I assume was done by someone other than him.
Disciple of SoS
Hooray! I'm so blissfully happy! I finally got my latest horizontal pm wheel running! Those blue metal tubes on top of it are made from a special alloy I discovered. As they sweep through the Earth's gravity field they are able to convert some of it into pure rotational kinetic energy. It's a revolutionary approach to pm and I'm convinced Bessler used the same principle in his more primitive vertical pm wheels.
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My dog "Woof" just loves to ride on top of it. Oddly, however, it only seems to work when he wants to ride on it. Probably just a coincidence. I'll have to check the lubrication of the bearings underneath it to correct for that sporadic problem. Finally, after twenty years of struggle I have found SUCCESS! Thank you God! Time to celebrate. Now where did put that bottle of champagne I was saving for this occasion?
I googled "Drawings by Bessler" and it produced this one which is a sketch he made in 1743 for that windmill he finally fell to his death from in 1745. So, that drawing in the annual card for Karl that has created a bit of a stir here was not the last drawing that Bessler made...maybe it was the last one he made for Karl. Here's that windmill sketch:
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It's somewhat crude and incomplete and I don't see Bessler's signature on it anywhere. He probably made it in a hurry. The top story apparently would be open on four sides and the wind could come in from any direction and turn a large four panel turbine type thing. It's ingenious and, supposedly, the first of its kind in Europe although similar designs were being used in the Middle East for centuries prior to the 18th century. I wonder how efficient Bessler's windmill would have been if he had ever managed to complete it. It's notable that it was being powered by the wind and not by one of his pm wheels.
I read somewhere that Karl actually bought one of Newcomen's steam engines and had it shipped over to Weissenstein Castle in 1721 so he could have it tested to see how powerful it was. Bessler must have not been too keen about that! Apparently, the new steam engine was a royal pain in the arse to assemble and get working which, of course, would have made Bessler very happy. I can just imagine him saying to Karl "See all of the problems you are having with that smelly contraption. You won't have any of them with my perpetual motion wheel!" The problem, however, remained. Bessler's wheels just did not have the constant power output that Karl and others were looking for and the cost of making one big enough to supply such constant power was enormous...far more than the cost of a Newcomen steam engine.
Poor Bessler...he was ahead of his times in some ways, but behind his times in other ways. Unfortunately, the ways he was behind his times doomed him to eventual financial failure.
You can see that drawing plus a few more and some photos I took of the windmill remains when I visited it in 2010, posted on my web site at www.orffyreus.org
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This diagram shows how the early Newcomen steam engines worked and was probably close to what Karl would have been testing:
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Basically, the beam is overbalanced and pulls the left side piston up as the heavier right side of the beam drops and pushes a piston down into a cylinder that was attached by a pipe to a pool of water that needed to be pumped up, like out of a flooded mine. As this action caused the left side piston to rise, the boiler would fill the space below it in its cylinder with steam, but it was at low pressure like only 5 lbs/square inch and not enough to actually lift the left side piston. When that left side piston finally reached the top of its cylinder and the right side piston had reached the bottom of its cylinder, cold water was sprayed into the steam inside of the left side cylinder which caused it to immediately cool and condense. That then made a partial vacuum under the left side piston and the atmospheric pressure above that piston (which was about 14.7 lbs/square inch) would push it down with great force which caused the right side piston to rise up and pump some water out of its cylinder. The forcing down of the left side piston also helped pump any condensed steam water out of the left side piston.
Newcomen's steam engine, also called an "atmospheric engine or air engine" worked, but it was a pain to use because of the several valves that had to be opened and closed in the right sequence. Eventually, workmen assigned the task of working the valves invented various arrangements of ropes and rods that automated the opening and closing of the valves. Also, the firebox below the boiler had to be continuously fed with fuel in the form of coal or wood. This steam engine should not be confused with the later high pressure steam engines that were used on steam locomotives and such. Newcomen's early steam engines were slow moving and intended mostly for pumping water. They were not powered by steam pressure, but actually by external atmospheric pressure. They were tedious to operate and required constant attention.
I suspect it was the valve problem with this early steam engine that was a big turnoff for Karl and which was why he never used a steam engine on his cascade that required water to be pumped up over 300 feet from an artificial lake behind Weissenstein Castle to an octagonal monument at the top of the cascade which was thousands of feet away. But, Bessler's wheels could not do the job either. IIRC, Bessler's "solution" to this problem was to start making pm wheels that were about 40 feet in diameter and loaded with thousands of pounds of lead weights! I'm sure when Karl saw the cost of something like that, he decided to just keep doing what he had been doing which was supplying the water for his cascade from artificial reservoirs he had put in above the cascade that were periodically filled with the water from melting snow or rain water. They also had gates that had to be manually operated, but, apparently, that was easier than the valves on Newcomen's steam engine.
You can see that image in my book “Perpetual Motion, An Ancient Mystery Solved?” My biography about Bessler and read all about.
DeleteNo, Karl did not buy a Newcomen steam engine although he did send his Chief engineer to inspect it, but as with every other visitor, no one was an allowed in to see it. He wasn’t interested in buying it because it was incapable of pumping water from the bottom of his cascade to the top, a distance of 840 feet, with a height difference of 587:feet.
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First half of my comment:
DeleteDoSoS wrote: "There may be some additional significance to these parallel lines like maybe they can be used to determine the lengths of the ropes interconnecting the levers which were necessary for the operation of Bessler's "connectedness principle"? Well, that is a matter for future research."
I'm very impressed with that "decoding" you did on that drawing Bessler made for Karl. It's a first of its kind as far as I know. I agree with you that Bessler would have wanted to pack more secret information into that drawing of his than just the rope attachment points on his odd Y shaped levers' arms and where inside the drum to locate the levers' pivots (that is, 0.7777 x the drum radius). He also would have wanted to include the rope lengths, the spring constants, and the lead weight masses. Finding those additional hidden clues won't be easy, but it can give you something to do because, as you suspect, what you've found so far, while definitely impressive, is most likely not complete. There's got to be a lot more in that drawing.
You seem like a serious researcher and I was surprised that you mentioned that you did not yet obtain the Behrendt book on Bessler and his wheels. You definitely need to. In the meantime, here are some of the rope lengths that were attached to steel pins in the levers of the 12 foot diameter Merseburg and Kassal wheels. They are not really rope lengths, they are really the maximum distance that two connection point pins were allowed to separate from each other inside of one of Bessler's two largest diameter wheels as they turned and the levers swung about their steel pivot pins whose ends were embedded in the drum's wooden frame pieces. The ends of the ropes were, according to Behrendt, attached to small metal hooks that could be quickly and securely attached to steel pins inside of the levers or quickly removed if a rope broke and needed to be replaced. He's made up names for each rope that describe its function and he also lists the two connection points a rope's end hooks needed to be attached to.
Second half of my comment:
DeleteI made this list from his book. The shortest rope is the "spring rope" and it was attached from the end of a spring to the A1 point on the A arm of a lever (the other end of the spring was attached, by a hook, to a steel pin in the drum's frame). However, the length of that rope could vary depending upon the length of the spring used. That rope length would be 24 inches or two feet MINUS the length of the UNstretched spring Bessler used. If he used a two foot long unstretched spring, then the spring rope would be eliminated or have zero length. I will exclude if from my list below. Another rope he calls the "stop rope" was attached from the A2 point on the A arm of a lever to a steel pin in the drum frame located midway between two adjacent levers' pivot pins. Its job was to stop the ccw swinging motion of a lever as it rose toward 9:00 on the wheel's ascending side before the lever started swinging cw. For both 12 foot diameter wheels, that rope was 24 inches long or 2 feet. There were two other ropes, the "main rope" and the "long lifter" rope and they played critical roles in lifting the ascending side levers. Here's a short list of the ropes that you can use:
stop rope...........attached to A2 on a lever's A arm to a pin in drum frame....................................................24.0 in. = 2 ft.
main rope..........attached from A4 on a lever's A arm to L1 on the main arm of the FIRST leading lever.....................................................45.2 in. = 3.7666 ft.
long lifter rope...attached from A3 on a lever's A arm to B1 on the B arm of a SECOND leading lever.....................................................79.6 in. = 6.6333 ft.
As you can see these ropes are, based on their lengths in feet, in the ratio of 2 : 3.7666 : 6.6333 to each other. You noticed those three blue parallel lines that appeared in Bessler's drawing after you decoded it. Why don't you check the ratio of their lengths and see if it matches the ratio of these three ropes that Behrendt claims Bessler used. If you are lucky, you might just hit your 4th jackpot for this blog!
Someone already told you that the three weights at the ends of the Merseburg wheel levers were 4 lbs each for a total of 12 pounds and the three at the ends of the Kassal wheel levers were 8 lbs each for a total of 24 lbs. But, he didn't include the masses of the levers themselves. For the Merseburg wheel it was 2.5 lbs and for the Kassal wheel it was 5 lbs. That means the total mass of each Merseburg wheel lever was 14.5 lbs and for the Kassal wheel lever 29 lbs.
I might as well also include the spring constants for the springs used in each wheel. Each wheel used TWO springs on each lever that were attached to a pin located at A1 on a lever's A arm. The Kassal wheel springs needed to EACH have a spring constant of 10 lbs/in and the Kassal wheel springs needed to each have a spring constant of 20 lbs/in.
That should give you enough info to keep you busy for a while, DoSoS. Now let's see if you can find out how Bessler would have decoded this extra information about his wheels that he hid in his last drawing for Karl...assuming that it was actually hidden in that drawing (which I highly suspect it was!). Good luck!
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DeleteThank you so very much! That is EXACTLY the kind of information I have been looking for. Also, I just purchased that Ken B book from an Amazon seller. New ones are pricey (but what isn't nowadays?). So I settled for a "used - good condition" paperback copy. Now I feel like a little kid waiting to see what he'll get under the tree come Christmas morning! I've heard about the book and it's supposed to be a huge volume loaded with illustrations showing what he has determined were the actual mechanisms used inside of Bessler's wheels. He must have really been into the subject to produce something like that. But, then again, so am I!
I will try your suggestion and see if I can find those rope lengths hidden in that last drawing Bessler made for Karl. The ratio you gave of 2 : 3.7666 : 6.6333 can be divided through by 2 to give a more compact ratio of 1 : 1.8833 : 3.31665. Now the question is does this ratio show up anywhere in that drawing? More importantly, can it be gotten using those three parallel blue decoding lines I've already found? They just stick out so obviously. Bessler must have done that on purpose for some reason. But what??? I've got work to do!
Once again, thanks for taking the time to provide me with some extra information.
Disciple of SoS
I also love getting packages in the mail after shopping online. It does make you feel again like a little kid on Christmas day...
DeleteOMG!!!! I have MORE incredible news to report!
DeleteFirst, I want to again thank anon 23:09/23:11 for supplying me with that extra information about Bessler using those three types of ropes inside his wheels: the "stop", "main", and "long lifter" ropes along with their lengths and the ratios of their lengths which was 2 : 3.7666 : 6.6333. I then divided through by 2 and reduced the numbers in the ratios to 1 : 1.8833 : 3.31665.
He suggested I see if those ratios could be gotten from those three nearly perfectly parallel blue lines that appeared when I decoded Bessler's last drawing for Karl using the method that I am convinced he would have used to verify his priority to the Y shaped lever he used in his pm wheels.
Well, anon 23:09/23:11 was 100% RIGHT! When I obtained the ratios for the three parallel lines that I have now colored orange in my sketch: P2 to the Y lever pivot, P4 to P7, and P6 to P9, I IMMEDIATELY found that they appear to be exactly or nearly exactly the same as 1 : 1.8833 : 3.31665. If anybody does not believe me, then please do measure them yourself. Here's a quick paint sketch I made showing how you get the ratios for those three parallel lines:
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I think that these three types of ropes were also used in all of Bessler's smaller wheels as well as the Merseburg and Kassal wheels. For a smaller diameter wheel, the lengths of the ropes would all have been proportionately smaller, but their ratios would have remained exactly the same. A wheel would not work unless those three types of ropes had these particular ratios. So, not only would Bessler be able to claim priority to the special lever shape he had discovered, but also to the special ratios of the rope lengths that allowed the three types of ropes inside the wheel to properly coordinate a wheel's levers so they could keep the cog of their weights on a wheel's descending side as its drum rotated! This was just as important as the lever shape itself.
I'm still in a bit of shock over how quickly this new clue was obtained. While my decoding method produced the three parallel lines, I must share the credit with anon 23:09/23:11 who provided me with the ratios of the ropes and suggested I check the ratios of the three parallel blue ropes that the decoding method made appear in that last drawing Bessler made for Karl.
Now I'm starting to wonder if the masses of the lever weights and the spring constants are also hidden somewhere in that drawing. I will continue to search for them.
Disciple of SoS
ANOTHER jackpot for you?! I must be in the Twilight Zone or something. If this new clue is valid, then it means you have hit your FOURTH jackpot in this blog. This is not only a record for this blog...it's probably a record for the entire internet! Anyway, DoSoS, congrats to you AGAIN x 3! Also, much credit to anon 23:11 who gave you some basic information to get you moving in the right direction.
DeleteYou were right about those three slanting parallel lines that your decoding method found in that poem drawing having some special meaning. If you keep this up it won't be long before SoS is the pupil and YOU are the teacher!
hope people reading the above realise that I dismissed Ken Behrendt’s book as complete fiction. He was eventually barred from the Besslerwheel forum by common consent. He posted long rambling fictional details of discoveries he claimed to have made but nobody believed them.
DeleteIf you’ve tried to read his book you will discover that he suffers from excess verbosity and makes unsupportable conclusions in an inordinately, excessive manner reaching his imaginary “proof”.
I can’t stop you discussing his ideas here but I’d prefer it if you did it elsewhere. His book does a disservice to all the researchers trying to find the solution to Bessler’s wheel by muddying the waters and spoiling the evidence collected over the last fifty years or so, mainly by myself.
JC
We realize it, yes. He's a strange bird. The question is what will he do with himself when you stop publishing a blog? 😅
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DeleteI did check out the ratios you found for those parallel lines in your analysis of B's drawing and can confirm that the ratios you obtained are accurate. I did not use a slippery plastic ruler though. Rather, I used a flexible vinyl tape measure with the inches on one side and centimeters on the other. It has a strip of cloth embedded in it to keep it from stretching lengthwise. I recommend that B drawing analysts making measurements off of laptop screens use such a tape measure because it resists sliding around on a flat glass screen.
As for JC's comments on KB and his book, I doubt if he has even read it. Why bother since he "knows" his pentagonal approach is sure to work? Unfortunately, his approach has produced nothing in years, STILL is producing nothing, and will continue to produce nothing. Most here are aware of that and regularly let him know they are. I think he dares not reveal anything because he does not want to risk confirming how useless his approach really is. I think he also cannot stand the idea that someone else other than him, like KB, may have found "the" solution before he did, openly published it, and now has priority for the design. As far as book reviews go, JC's first B book was reviewed by an actual university physics professor who described the science in it as nonsense (although he did give some praise to the biography of B it contains). JC has a chapter 12 in that book where he promises to reveal the secret of B's wheels. What he reveals in there is how vertical axle windmills work!
On his growing list of irritations is the fact that others, like SoS and now his "disciple" DoSoS, are regularly contributing new clues here while all JC can do is rehash his decades old "clues" about Euclid and pentagons while periodically proclaiming, without any proof whatsoever, that he's found the secret of B's wheels! He's like a broken record that keeps skipping!
Now compare that to what DoSoS has found for us in this blog alone. He's taken a drawing I've never seen before and found the details of a lever in it that another analyst was finding for years in the MT drawings but could only describe as having a general Y shape. He's shown us how, as a safeguard, B employed an additional decoding method in that drawing that only he knew was there to locate the missing parts of that lever and also prevent another future inventor from finding them and using them to steal B's invention. That decoding method then provided a set of parallel lines whose ratios just happen to correspond to the ratios of the rope lengths found earlier by KB using numerology in a book he wrote six years ago. What new clues has JC produced in the last several years to show us? ZERO! And some here, me included, are convinced that is exactly what we will get from him in the years to come. That's the reason he has been called "John, the Great Disappointer" here!
Anyway, I didn't come here to criticize JC. I wanted to congratulate DoSoS on his several very impressive discoveries in this blog. If we'd had a few more like him, say, fifty years ago, then we would probably be using B's wheels today! Also, a most Happy Thanksgiving holiday to those in the US who are celebrating it which is probably like 90%! We all have much to be thankful for when we really think about it...
@anon 19:25
DeleteI also sense that John is envious of Ken B and the design he's found for Bessler's wheels. I notice that he does not mention the new clues DoSoS has shown us or congratulate him as many others here have done. I think the reason is because, if DoSoS's clues are valid as they seem to be, then that would confirm that Ken B's Y shaped lever is correct and also that the design he's found that uses that lever must be correct.
I think unless John can produce some truly convincing new information to confirm his pentagon design (whatever it is!) is what Bessler used, then eventually the world will accept Ken B's design as being it. Of course, a working model based on that design would settle the matter. Sims are nice and can be convincing, but they are not working physical models, just potentially working ones. I will continue to follow this story to see how it finally turns out.
And before I forget, I also want to congratulate DoSoS for what he's revealed to us so far. This is some of the most interesting material I've seen on this blog in a while. It's fascinating to think that it took a full three centuries for this information to finally come out.
Alas, no physical duplicate of B’s wheels. Every solution is equally invalid till such is produced.
DeleteThanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated - very humorous! Actually Ken asked me to review his book, before he published it, which I did.
DeleteI shall enjoy seeing your reactions when I publish information about my Besslerwheel.
JC
Just for the record, I am that "anon 23:09/23:11" above that provided DoSoS with the extra information he needed to try to determine what the relevance of those parallel lines in his decoded version of Bessler's "last drawing" might be. I do not accept any credit for his discovery despite him generously offering to share it with me.
DeleteHe is the one who found Bessler's secret decoding method in the first place, not me. Also, he is the one who, using the information I provided from someone else to him, determined that information was verified by that secret decoding method he discovered. At most, all I did was help hasten him toward his discovery, but, imo, it would only have been a matter of time before he discovered it without my assistance.
I am also most impressed at how fast he was able to use that information I provided. I think we will see many fine contributions from him here in the future. Congrats, DoSoS, on your excellent analyses!
JC wrote "Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated - very humorous! Actually Ken asked me to review his book, before he published it, which I did."
DeleteKen's book was published in February of 2019. The earliest review by you that I could find is dated August 1st, 2019 which is six months AFTER the publication of his book. Here are some of YOUR quotes from that blog:
"...I welcome the fact that there is a book out there attempting to bring fresh information about the inventor...I was able to flip through various pages thanks to google books and I studied a number of Behrendt’s drawings relating to Bessler’s portrait...He has done an amazing job of extracting information from both portraits...I’m pleased that Ken published his book and I encourage people to read it, I intend to buy a copy if only to check to see if my initial opinion is supported by the evidence he has found. It provides a good subject for discussion and it introduces some new ideas about Bessler’s wheel which have been lacking lately."
If I didn't know better, I swear you were actually a Ken B fan!
Even though his presence on the BWforum was eventually overwhelming for most people I still regarded Ken as a friend and was happy to review it, although I wasn’t prepared to buy it, it was huge and too expensive. I didn’t want to slate it but rather appear neutral about it. It was a Labour of love for him as my books have been for me.
DeleteJC
Sorry if some here find my research to be "irritating". It's certainly not my intention to cause something like that. I simply want to finally get to the ultimate truth of Bessler's wheels and I'm surely not the first to make such a vow. I will also support anyone else who convinces me he's closer to that truth than I might be.
ReplyDeleteWith that out of the way, I can only say that I will continue to study that last drawing Bessler made for Karl which I do not recall ever seeing before (wish I had!). It's really the most logical place for Bessler to have hidden the most essential constructions details of his wheels. So far, I've obtain what to me is confirmation of SoS's much found Y shaped levers in it. Then, the location of the levers' pivots inside of a wheel's drum. And, finally, verification of the connectedness principle rope length ratios which I thank anon 23:09/23:11 for taking the time to make me aware of.
These details are ones that should not vary with a wheel's diameter. But, there are other construction details that should vary such as the mass of the weights Bessler used on his levers and the strength of his lever springs. Like the details that do not vary, these other variable details must also, somehow, be encoded into that last drawing Bessler made. But where?
As I studied that last Bessler drawing, I noticed something that is very subtle. I do not think it can be legitimately called a "clue". It's more like a "hint" from Bessler of where to look for information about those other variable details. My paint sketch linked to here will show what I think this hint could be:
https://i.postimg.cc/GhKCBhfx/The-Two-Angels-are-Different.jpg
Notice that the angel on the right side seems older, bigger, and stronger than the angel on the left side? I cannot escape the feeling that Bessler intended that right side angel to be a symbol for his Kassal wheel and the left side angel to be a symbol for his Merseburg wheel. If that is the case, then the hidden variable details (weight masses and spring strengths) in that drawing most likely pertain only to the Merseburg and Kassal wheels. In fact, they would have to be there if Bessler intended to preserve the minimum number of details in that drawing to allow either of those two 12 foot diameter wheels to be successfully reconstructed. Most likely the variable construction details for the Kassal wheel will, like the angel representing that wheel, be found on the right side of the drawing while the similar variable details for the Merseburg wheel will, like the angel that represents that wheel, be found on the left side of the drawing.
Believing that, I will continue to search this drawing's side areas for them and, if I find them, will reveal them here as soon as I can.
Finally, I hope it was a happy thanksgiving day holiday for those in the US.
Disciple of SoS
Uh oh...my jackpot detector is starting to click more frequently. That's an indication that yet another one of DoSoS's jackpot clues is about to detonate upon us. Quick everyone...into your trenches, keep your heads down, don your protective goggles, and do NOT remove them until ten seconds after "first light"! You have been warned.
DeleteI have always thought the image was added for decorative reasons, as it didn’t look like anything done by Bessler. I looked it up on googles lens and this is what I found.
Delete“The image is a black and white print, likely an engraving, depicting an ornamental panel.
The print features two putti (cherubic figures) on either side, supporting a central element.
The central element appears to be a vase or an emblem, from which organic forms and foliage emerge.
The work is similar to designs by artists like Sebald Beham or Pietro Aquila, who created similar classical friezes.
Such prints were often used as decorative designs or illustrations in books during the 16th and 17th centuries.”
JC