Following recent comments about my suggested Bessler codes and my interpretations of them, here is a brief resume indicating my expertise and experience in this field of research.
Having studied Bessler and his history for many years before I wrote a biography about him, I self-published it on the internet.
My first web site went up in January 1997, 28 years ago. I wasn’t very computer literate then and I was helped by my son-in-law who did have a degree in this very early days of computers and the internet. Here’s a screen shot from the wayback machine.
The other web sites still active are listed below and if you wish to know more I recommend you visit each.
One more thing; the search box at the top of the right hand panel is a good way to find and read any posts I’ve made on a subject. For instance, ‘pentagram’, ‘Five’, ‘golden ratio’, ‘137’,I ‘codes’ to mention just a few. Each page comes complete with all the comments.
I began my interest at age fifteen, but did not get into research until I was about 30. I joined the British Library and had my first experience of actually handling a copy of ‘Das Triumphirende’ (DT). I knew Bessler’s own hands had touched the book where my hands had. Subsequently, during a visit Karlshafen I managed to buy a copy of that book!
I was in the BSAP for two years, before joining the RAF for seven years as an aircraft engine fitter before moving to the British Aircraft Corporation where I worked on the Concord. Later I became a consultant engineer.
I’ve been interviewed on the radio several times, mostly in the U.K., although I did experience a memorable interview on a Redneck radio. Also I was flown to Rome by RAI 1 TV, to take part in a discussion about Bessler, and which was broadcast as a documentary. I did not perform well as the discussion was in Italian and the ‘experts’ all spoke in Italian!
The following web sites contain much information and are well worth a visit.
Besslerswheel.com………………….my hypothesis
The Orffyreus Code. Com…………..a few of the real codes deciphered
orffyreus.net/ chapter 55 decoded…chapter 55 in DT, partially decoded.
Bessler’s Windmill …………………the extant ruins of the original windmill.
https://www.gravitywheel.com/…….where I’ll post a successful wheel,
………………………………………or the remnants of my failure!
https://youtu.be/5BWVKtpuzn0…….my old YouTube video about Bessler’s wheel.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCRxk4YPaI …………the Italian documentary.
JC
I read through your website and decided to test your "principle" with a quick wm2d model. It has the shifter weight and primary weights attached to a simple L lever. The wheel is 3 feet in diameter and of negligible mass as are the levers. There are two diametrically opposed levers. As can be seen here, when released, the pair of levers does not keep the CoG of the four weights on the descending side of the wheel. However, maybe with more levers or your five lever design the situation would improve?
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Thanks for trying but your design is nothing like mine because I haven’t given any details yet.
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I based it off of your website description. I had a few spare minutes before dinner and decided to expand my previous sim to four levers. And...it's looking better! Maybe five levers will turn it into a runner?
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I couldn't resist the urge to expand the Collins Principle wheel to five levers. Unfortunately, when I did, things got worse as you can see from the attached sim gif. I think the problem with this design, as with most others I've seen over the years, is that while the CoG of the primary weights is on the descending side of the wheel (right side in this model), that is exactly compensated for by the CoG of the shifter weights being located on the ascending side of the wheel (left side in this model). The result is a total CoG for all of the weights being right below the center of the axle and the whole thing just acts like a pendulum as its total CoG swings from side to side below the center of the axle. I'm not convinced any "conventional" OB pm wheel can overcome this problem. Wish I had better news for you.
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Excellent work, anon 00:29! It's nice to see people on this blog that will be ready to sim when (and if!) John finally reveals his top secret "Bessler workaround" to us. Even if it does not work at that time, with enough simmers working on it to find some modification to make it a runner, he'll have the maximum chance of finally finding his long sought success. Often all it takes to turn failure into success is a little bit of collaboration.
Delete"...a little bit of collaboration." Lol! No, anon 02:50, he is NOT interested in any "collaboration". He wants 100% of ALL of the credit for solving this mystery to be HIS alone. He is not interested in sharing it with anyone. You must be new here.
DeleteThanks for doing the sims guys! I am looking forward to posting my design, but I still want to see if I can build a working model before I post the actual design. Yes of course I want credit for solving this mystery, why not I worked hard to solve it, just as the majority of us has. I’m close to finishing the model, so one way or the other I’ll be posting the design asap.
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Probably a real version of hell is knowing you have made it 99% of the way to the solution to some problem, but then you realize that you just can't make it the remaining 1% of the way no matter how hard you try. Unfortunately, much of life is exactly like that. Only God can make it 100% of the way on anything. God gave Bessler the power to make it 100% of the way in his search for pm, but not another 100% to successfully market his amazing invention. One wonders why God would do that? Perhaps to teach us humility? Either that or God is a sadist!
DeleteThe pursuit of pm reminds me of the myth of the ancient Greek King Sisyphus. He angered Zeus by cheating death and, as punishment, was condemned to stay in the lowest and worst region of Hades until he managed to roll a giant boulder up to the top of a hill and make it stay there. Whenever he got it up there, however, it would then just roll down the other side! It was an impossible task that he was cursed to do for all eternity.
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The search for pm is kind of like the punishment for that Greek king. It's something that sounds easy to do when you first learn about it, but then if you try you quickly learn it's next to impossible to do if you're not another Bessler. One can spend years, decades, or even an entire lifetime chasing a solution only to wind up with absolutely nothing but a burned out feeling from it all. I've been there (actually am there). I don't build anymore. I just make occasional sketches in my notebook when the mood is right. I'm thinking about getting that WM2D program to try with my best sketches. Only if I get something that runs with that would I consider building again.
DeleteI went to ChapGPT last night and asked it a lot of questions about Bessler's wheels. It kept saying his wheels had to be hoaxed with some sort of hidden power supplies. I told it all of the reasons why there could not be a hidden power supply and how all of the experts back then said his wheels were genuine. The AI program just dismissed all of that and said that even experts can be fooled by a clever hoax and there were many historical cases of that. I had a most frustrating session with the AI program because no matter what I said, I could not even get it to admit that Bessler's wheels might have been genuine. When I mentioned the Ken B theory about how the wheels had mechanics that could extract the mass energy of their weights and output it to power outside machines attached to a wheel's axle, it said that there is no known mechanics that could produce this effect. It said something like that would require nuclear reactions of some sort which would not have been available to inventors back in the 18th century.
ReplyDeleteThen I asked it how we could prove that Bessler's wheels were for real. It said the ONLY way would be to construct WORKING duplicates of the wheels, publish their construction details, and then have as many INDEPENDENT builders construct their own replicas as possible and have the majority of them declare that they worked and did not contain any hidden power supplies.
This is obviously a tough row to hoe as they say. But it gives us an idea of what we are up against. Getting a suggested design for Bessler's wheels (or ANY pm device for that matter) accepted as genuine will require an enormous amount of effort. This is because the genuine existence of such a device would cause a lot of turmoil in the world of physics and physicists aren't immediately accepting when something like that comes along. They will require such a machine to undergo a LOT of testing before they accept it as being genuine. Just announcing a design on the internet is only the very beginning of a long process of verification. In fact, getting your working machine accepted by the world will be about as difficult as finding it in the first place!
That Ai gave you the summation of maybe hundreds of websites about Bessler's wheels. It is like an instant poll of the world's opinions. As you found the world just labels him as a hoaxer and nothing more. But I think that is mostly due to them never studying the Bessler story in depth and just being routinely spoon fed the official view of modern science in their schools. If we don't start providing something that can sit on a table in front of amazed scientists and spin away, that opinion will stay the same forever. Let's get to work!
DeleteI don't really like being negative, but after watching all of the nonsense about Bessler's wheels on the web for the last twenty years I've concluded that the secret of his wheels will NEVER be rediscovered. So have all the fun you want talking about clues, codes, sims, builds, or this or that new youtube pm gadget video, but in the long run it will all add up to a big nothing!
DeleteI do think Bessler had something real, but if it was "so simple a carpenter's boy could..." then it would have been rediscovered centuries ago. The fact that it wasn't shows me that Carl was wrong when he said the wheel was "simple". Maybe what he saw looked simple, but Bessler must have had some little trick he discovered that made that "simple" machine work.
What is that trick? I don't think we'll ever know for sure. Maybe while being a clockmaker, he found some weird spring design that would automatically change its length or tension depending on its orientation? Maybe he found some way of making a weight change its heaviness depending on what side of the wheel it was located? Maybe he found a way to wind up springs using daily changes in air temperature or pressure? Who knows. I gave up looking for an answer years ago. I've made my peace with it being an unsolved mystery and I think everyone reading this comment will eventually do just like I did. Either do that or go crazy trying to solve an unsolvable problem. You might as well try to draw a four sided triangle or scratch your right elbow using your right hand's fingers. Find some other far more productive way to spend your spare time.
AP XXI Bessler’s chapter heading Mechanical “Implements” / Wagner’s chapter heading Mechanical “Tools”
DeleteEven Wagner, wherever he is now, will have heard that one pound can cause the raising of more than one pound. He writes that, to date, no one has ever found a mechanical arrangement sufficient for the task. He’s right ! So am I, and does anyone see why ? What if I were to teach the proper method of mechanical application? Then people would say: “Now I understand !” – AP pg 331
"if I arrange to have just one cross-bar [Cruez/Kreuz = Cross] in my machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars [Crosses], pulleys [Zuge = Pulls] and weights, the machine can revolve much faster" – AP pg 355
"I don't want to go into the details here of how suddenly the excess weight is caused to rise. You can't comprehend these matters, or see how true craftsmanship can rise above innate lowly tendencies (as does a weight above the point of application of a lever)" – AP pg 357
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DeleteIt truly pains me to see you guys stumbling around like a bunch of drunks in a pitch black cave forever groping here and there desperately trying to find the solution to the Bessler wheel mystery. So, I've decided, as an act of supreme charity at this time, to finally put an end to your anguish by now revealing exactly how Bessler's wheels really worked. I realized his trick method before I got even half way through DT and so would any reader with at least two functioning brain cells left in his skull. Here is Bessler's secret trick method:
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You're all welcome!
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Thanks so much for sharing that, RBE. I always thought he was using some sort of heat engine.
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DeleteNice design. There was a guy on bwf years ago who also believed that Bessler's wheel was just a heat engine. His name was Bill McMurtry and he put his version of the heat engine on his now defunct website. I never understood exactly how it was supposed to work and I couldn't find his explanation of it anywhere, but it's obvious that it is based on that "wheel" at the end of AP.
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anon 07:33 Bill's (ovyyus) heat engine was a type of Stirling Heat Engine with an alcohol fuel source and cold sink etc. It was temporary and required refueling, as does RBE's lame attempt that no one could possibly have considered before. Not to mention that the brass springs would have a lousy thermal expansion coefficient and not expand and contract like his diagram shows. And except dang it for it not being OU or true mechanical perpetual motion. And the let's forget we ever heard it pesky detail of things not hanging from the axle. Let's hope he can get another 2 brain cells functioning and come up with something novel that actually was Bessler's mechanical Secret Trick.
Delete"all the inmost parts, and the perpetual-motion structures, retain the power of free movement, as I've been saying since 1712" AP pg 295
"by making the true claim - that no weights hang from the axle of my wheel" – AP pg 281 pg 278 digital
"in a true Perpetuum Mobile everything must, necessarily, go round together. There can be nothing involved in it which remains stationary on the axle" – AP pg 361 pg 347 digital
"Not to mention that the brass springs would have a lousy thermal expansion coefficient and not expand and contract like his diagram shows."
DeleteAgreed. I would have replaced the brass springs with small metal cylinders filled with paraffin. When the paraffin warmed up and melted as a cylinder passed near the alcohol burner flames, the paraffin could expand up to 20% of its volume. It would then push against a metal piston that would then push a weight toward the wheel's rim. The weight would compress a spring as it did so. Once the metal piston left the flame, it would allow the paraffin in the cylinder to cool down and contract in volume. The spring would then push the weight against the piston and forced it back into the cylinder so the weight could then move closer to the axle. Hopefully, this cycle of heating and cooling of the paraffin would take place fast enough to let the wheel reach a high speed. Also, I would have the heating of the metal cylinders begin taking place higher in the drum. Maybe around 1:30 instead of 3:00 as RBE shows.
The most serious objection to RBE's design is that it seems to violate Bessler's statement about "There can be nothing involved in it which remains stationary on the axle". Of course, one could get around this by just saying Bessler was talking about weights as found in a tall grandfather clock and not what RBE shows.
At first glance the heat engine approach looks good. But, if it was used, then how much alcohol fuel would have to have been hidden in the Kassal wheel's drum to power it nonstop for 57 days? Although such a heat engine is probably technically possible, I doubt if it was Bessler's "trick method". He had something more advanced than this.
=> Bessler claimed to have found the TRUE mechanical Perpetual Motion, and to be the FIRST to find the proper and true cause and effect relationship of a mechanical perpetual motion principle, and build it. There are too many references and quotes (many) to repeat here, save an example, that his mechanical perpetual motion principle was not some energy consuming engine principle already known and tweaked etc. We can go off on all sorts of fancies, but are they original and don't need a conventional energy supply?
Delete“should see this principle, in itself SO SIMPLE, and yet at the same time SO DEEPLY HIDDEN, of everlasting motion,” DT pg 210
AP Rebuttal to Wagner. XXVIII (b) Wagner's crucial character-assassination, spite, lies, libel - in short, his entire intention to bring disgrace and contempt upon me
... And, all round, the likes of Wagner consider it the greatest cause for shame that not one of them had the wit to discover what Orffyreus discovered. To sum up, God decreed that it should be the most unlikely person such as I, who would crack open the hardest nut of all, WHICH NO SCHOLAR HAD EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO ...
Google .. 1st century AD. Hero of Alexandria invented numerous mechanical devices, including the first steam engine (aeolipile), a vending machine that dispensed holy water, automatic temple doors, and a wind-powered organ. His work also included Heron's formula for triangle area, a water-powered fire engine, and various automatons. He was a Greek mathematician and engineer considered one of the greatest experimentalists of antiquity.
Anon 10:04 one of the biggest problems with any "heat engine" cold sink etc is to duplicate the Mersburg wheel speeds. 1 & 1/2 seconds per revolution. That's next to no time for required expansion and cooling processes to complete, let alone run for 54 days.
"...one of the biggest problems with any "heat engine" cold sink etc is to duplicate the Mersburg wheel speeds. 1 & 1/2 seconds per revolution. That's next to no time for required expansion and cooling processes to complete..."
DeleteThat's why I suggested starting the heating at around 1:30 instead of 3:00. The melting of the paraffin could be fairly rapid with a long, thin wall metal cylinder with a small diameter that was completely enveloped in flame along its length. If the solid paraffin cylinder inside of the metal cylinder was, say, 10 inches in length, then upon melting it could expand in length up to 20% or 2 inches. That would then cause a fairly large displacement of the weight pushed to the rim by the piston in the cylinder. Ideally, one would want to have several alcohol burners on the descending side maybe one at 1:30, 3:00. and a third at 4:30 which, of course, would complicate construction.
As you noted, then the paraffin would have be quickly cooled on the drum's descending side. Maybe if the metal cylinders had some sort of small cooling fins on them to increase their surface areas, the air flow over the moving cylinders as they sped around the wheel would be sufficient? Like I wrote above, this type of heat engine wheel probably could be technically possible, but even so, it might not reach a speed of tens of rpm's. I saw a motor once made using rubber bands that were heated on one side of a wheel and, as they contracted and then cooled and expanded on the other side of the wheel, were used to create a torque on the wheel. The motor moved very slowly though.
I've always been impressed with Heron. I wouldn't be surprised if we learn that he once tried to build a perpetual motion wheel. He's the type who would give it a try. Guys like him and Bessler came out of the same mold.
Yeah, I get the same feeling, they could be from the same mold. What sets them apart imo is an abundance of resilience, generosity, and being grounded.
DeleteI too once saw a video of a rubber band motor. It had 2 sides to the small wheel offset at an angle like a v with a wide gap. Parallel rubber bands were stretched between them at the rims. The whole assembly was placed in a hot water bath a few inches. This contracted the rubber bands (rubber contracts when heated) in the water creating a torque that slowly turned the wheel as long as the water remained hot. As the rubber bands cooled in the air they stretched again. It was a very slow rotation. I was quite impressed and set about making an overbalanced wheel using rubber bands and offset rims, and a heat source like a hair dryer. It was just out of curiousity. It obviously required an energy input but it was fun to build and muck about with while I learnt about proper unworkable overbalance wheels lol.
Here's a YT video showing a rubber band motor working. The rubber bands on the illuminated hot side contract and push the entire wheel to the right side of the axle making that side slightly heavier to create torque and make the wheel turn CW. But, to make it work, he has to use a 300 watt light bulb! I'm surprised it didn't catch fire! Lol!
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Lol that brought back memories. I built a small model like that too. Used a small aluminum rim and an axle without the spokes. Then adjusted the rubber bands placement slightly to get the balance fine tuned. Everything was under tension. The idea was to contract the side with the heat source and pull the RIM over for imbalance rather than as he says the axle in the video. His might work a wee bit better with a light/heat shield for half the wheel. It's a pity they don't have any real torque.
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DeleteBessler's response to a criticism like that would be to say just put more of them on the same axle or make the rims heavier and use more rubber bands or make the rim diameters bigger or ALL of these!
Another gadget that has always fascinated me is the Crookes radiometer. I had one as a kid and loved to see how fast it could spin in the sunlight. With all the talk about solar energy nowadays, I'm surprised no one's figured out how to make giant radiometers and have them spinning away in the sunlight as their rotors spun electrical generators sealed into their evacuated bulbs with them. They'd have to figure out a way to make a kind of "flat" low profile bulb that somehow could be evacuated just enough to make the rotor spin, but not enough to cause the whole thing to implode from the external air pressure acting on it.
Me too when I first saw one in action in a school physics class. IINM they are a kind of heat engine. Supposedly photons are elementary massless particles depending on what theory you are reading at the time. Therefore rotation isn't an action reaction momentum from photons mass being absorbed or reflected etc as I was told in class. IINM it is that the heat as the photon is reflected off a surface that causes even partially evacuated air enclosures molecules to rapidly expand and it is this action reaction couple that causes the rotation. I'd have to look it up after so many years. Bottom line is very weak torque which is why they operate in a partial vacuum space.
DeleteMany think that radiometer toy only works when its little panes are hit by sunlight. I found out that you can make one spin in total darkness! The trick is to put it in your freezer and then close the door. When you open the freezer door a few minutes later, you will see it spinning but in opposite its normal direction. This effect is caused by the vanes being warmer than the air in the freezer. Unfortunately, once the vanes chill down to the same temperature as the air in the freezer, the vanes will stop spinning.
DeleteAnon 17:01 suggested larger versions of the radiometers might be useful to supply electrical power. That effect when they cool could be used to make them spin at night to produce some power. Deserts can be very hot during the day from bright sunlight, but then get very cold at night because they have little water to retain thermal energy. They would be the perfect place to locate those giant radiometers. Imagine the Sahara desert covered with millions of them connected together and supplying cheap electricity to Africa day and night! Of course, they contain moving parts which is a problem. That's why I think most of the renewable energy we'll be getting in the future will come from solar panels. Too bad they only work for a few hours per day to produce their maximum power...and that's assuming it's not a cloudy day. Definitely a problem in Great Britain.
For the one in a hundred visitors here who've never seen a Crookes radiometer or "Light Mill", here's a short video demonstrating one:
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Interestingly, it's actually nuclear powered! If using sunlight, then that light is being provided by nuclear fusion reactions taking place inside of our Sun! Yes, it's a nuclear powered device you can hold in your hand!
While you loons have been wasting your time talking about novelty radiometers you can watch spin near a brightly lit window, the Chinese are ALREADY using giant versions of them to power their cities! Don't believe me? Here's the proof:
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Amazing what the Chinese are doing. That glass bulb they made must be hundreds of feet high. They probably made it in separate sections and then welded them all together somehow. I wonder how much power it puts out at noon? Maybe megawatts? Unlike solar panels, that thing they made can catch incoming sunlight from any direction. Damn clever. Hopefully we in the West will have something like that soon. We're so backwards here with research funding constantly be cut so the rich can stuff more money into their secret bank accounts.
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DeleteObviously if you squint it produces more power.
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