I’m very confidant that I know and understand the basic concept and as far as I can tell, the current configuration fits within that concept and matches Bessler’s machine
I know http://Karl said the mechanism was very simple, but it’s not so easy to design and configure the correct construction, when you haven’t seen it in reality. The last piece of information came to me about two weeks ago and yet the answer was in front of my eyes for many years! My advice to those using his clues to find the solution should examine any puzzling bits of information and try to imagine how they might fit.
There were things that had to be done to improve the actions of the various parts, mostly loosening the stiff nuts to allow some limited lateral motion and then retightening just a little. I have tried to reduce friction but not at the risk of lateral motion interfering with overlapping mechanisms. I’ve already added washers to increase the spaces between the various parts, where their actions overlap adjacent ones. I counter my fears of too much friction by reminding myself that this wheel is supposed to be able to do work, which of course means it should be able overcome minimal friction.
I’ll make the connections via the closed loop screws using my venetian blind cord. The lifted weight has to move quickly, as I demonstrated in my old web site at http://www.besslerswheel.com/ and proved that this was Bessler’s instruction in my web site at https://www.gravitywheel.com/ - and was in agreement with Bessler’s advice.
Even though I believed I’d found the solution a couple of years ago, it has proved extremely difficult to get to this point and I’m still apprehensive that I may have missed something or got it wrong. It’s for this reason I’ve only posted deciphered codes and clues and not pictures of my models. But I have few doubts that this is the right configuration and all that’s needed is to connect the mechanisms and keep my fingers crossed that I’m right.
As I’ve said before; there are five mechanisms with five equal weights and Bessler’s connectedness principle controlling their actions. The cord is always taught and the wheel will be permanently out of balance. I thought I’d proved to everyone that at least five mechanisms were needed, at my old web site, but I cannot say at this time whether eight would work but I would point out Bessler’s hint in MT numbering which I detailed in my website at www.theorffyreuscode.com The Orffyreus Code back in 2009.
There is an oddity about the numbering of the woodcuts in MT. Bessler included the number of each illustration in his woodcuts, like those in the above illustrations. These are present up to and including number 104. They are of a similar style except for the numbers 52, 72, 92 and 102. In each of these cases the number two is drawn to look like a Z. All other examples of the letter two are shown in the usual curved way.
To solve this puzzle we need to look at the identified numbers to see what is special about them with relevance to Bessler. The twos help to point to their accompanying partners, namely 5, 7, 9 and 10. The first and most obvious fact is that the number 5 is identified. The only other numbers are the following odd numbers, 7 and 9. Why would this be done, I wondered. These numbers are similar to those internal angles in the pentagram, namely, 54, 72 and 90, it seems to me that ever since I discovered the pentagon and the ubiquity of the number 5, that Bessler seemed to be suggesting that his wheel would not work with an even number of weights and that 5 was the ideal number. So 7 and 9 weights would also work but it might be difficult to fit in to a wheel. The number 10 might include a double 5, I don’t know?
If you were to use my configuration with an even numbers of weights……it would fail. Bessler tried it with four and it could barely turn.You need to get the message and stop ignoring the elephant in the room - and also please forget the ‘Y’ shaped levers, they weren’t in Bessler’s wheel, and were a product of Ken B’s imagination. The suggestion that Bessler secreted his supposedly lucky number 7 in his drawings is ridiculous, and that’s not just my opinion. There is no evidence that Bessler even thought of the number 7 in any special way - in fact there could be a much stronger argument that 5 fulfilled that role. He was only interested in providing numerous hints and clues to anyone wanting find out how he did it. I think he loved the fact that he had everyone fascinated and mystified by his invention.
So this is my last attempt at completing Bessler’s wheel, after 65 years (if I include the simple balsa wood, glue and ball bearings I began with at the age of 15!). I sincerely believe this is the closest anyone has come to success and even if this fails I believe my explanation revealing how and why it does not conflict with any physical laws will lead to a successful conclusion- a working model of Bessler’s wheel.
I will describe I’ve how believe Bessler’s worked without conflicting with the laws of physics and used the force of gravity.
That’s the plan anyway! I’m trying to get this done and tested before the end of the year. Announcement planned on or about or around New Year’s Day, win or lose!
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John wrote: "The suggestion that Bessler secreted his supposedly lucky number 7 in his drawings is ridiculous, and that’s not just my opinion. There is no evidence that Bessler even thought of the number 7 in any special way..."
ReplyDeleteThen how do you explain away this recent clue that DoSoS found in that drawing he put on Karl's 1719 annual poem card?
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With respect, I don’t have to, because as I explained earlier, Bessler just used an existing decoration available to anyone. It has no hidden meaning other than providing a gentle religious flavour.
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"Bessler just used an existing decoration available to anyone."
DeleteAnd where can we find this "existing decoration available to anyone"? Also, why did he only use it on the 1719 card for Karl?
I think when DoSoS found a detailed version of SoS's "Y" shaped lever hidden in that 1719 card drawing that Bessler made for Karl, it must have shook John up a little. I don't think he (or we) were expecting something like that to so suddenly appear. Imo, it looks like some serious confirmation that Bessler did use those uniquely shaped levers in his pm wheels otherwise why hide one of the levers in his drawing? I will also be looking forward to seeing all of those "never before revealed" clues John claims to have that justify whatever lever shape his design uses.
DeleteFingers are crossed JC !
ReplyDeleteFinally...ALL will be revealed! I plan to celebrate by making this nice tasty English pudding cake the last week of this December!
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To anon 11:05. I don’t know, but I do know it wasc commons practice. Large numbers of book published in those centuries contain one or more such prints. If you think you’ve found some hidden information, publish it.
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JC: "As I’ve said before; there are five mechanisms with five equal weights and Bessler’s connectedness principle controlling their actions. The cord is always taught and the wheel will be permanently out of balance."
ReplyDeleteThe second part about the cord is always tight and the wheel being permanently out of balance sounds good. The problem I see is with the use of an odd number of weights. That would seem to produce a design that, every 36° of wheel rotation, shifts the three weights from one side of the axle to other. That should then cause the CoG of the five weights to oscillate from one side of the axle to the other with no net torque and then eventually settle down into an equilibrium configuration that puts three weights below the axle and two above it so the wheel becomes "bottom heavy" and stationary.
Of course, this is just a guess. I will also be looking forward to seeing how your Bessler workaround design solves this problem. You either have discovered a simple, but revolutionary mechanical system that was actually used by Bessler or you are totally on the wrong track and do not realize it yet. I'm hoping it's the first one since you've put so much into this over the years.
I'm a bit confused by JC's vague description of his wheel. Is he saying that he has five weight levers in it and that the cords between all of them are always tight? That seems impossible to me if he has levers swinging back toward the axle on his wheel's ascending side. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what his design is.
ReplyDeleteLol! And here we go AGAIN everyone! Some poor boob a few blogs ago was eagerly anticipating JC's disclosure before the end of LAST November! Last November was two days ago...anybody see any disclosure? Now JC is, yet again, slipping everyone another one of his now famous promissory sleeping pills when he says: "Announcement planned on or about or around New Year’s Day, win or lose!" Note the word "around" in there. That word allows him to glide right past the end of this year while STILL showing nothing. Then other naive boobs here will be hopefully anticipating disclosure "on or about or around" his 81st birthday. That will also glide by with zero being shown and, hopefully, everyone here will finally realize, as I did YEARS ago, that "around" as far as JC is concerned means NEVER! Don't believe me? You will when the spring of next year finally arrives and we've still seen nothing from him. No drawings, no photos, no videos, and no new clues. Why you might ask would he do something like that? It's really very simple.
ReplyDeleteYou see, just before he plans to "reveal all whether it works or not", he will spot some "new" clue in a Bessler drawing that he somehow missed before. He'll immediately think it must be the missing change he needs to make to get his shaky collection of five levers finally working right. He can't possibly reveal anything until he checks it out which, at the snail's pace he works, could take another six months or so. Besides, his family simply wouldn't hear of it. They want him to keep working on it to protect his great discovery and complete its perfection so that ONLY HE can get all of the credit for it. He could be 100 years old and they would still be telling him that!
Also my advice to the guy who wants to bake that star shaped cake to celebrate the disclosure is to delay the baking until AFTER JC reveals something. That means forever...but maybe cutting out those extra carb calories will help you lose some of your gut and make you healthier?
I'm probably a naive boob, but I still have faith that this time John will finally reveal the design he's been working along with some of his previously unrevealed clues that justify it. Yes he has disappointed many times in the past and I'm sure he's not too happy about that. However, I believe that this time will be different no matter how many new last minute clues he finds.
ReplyDeleteThank you anon 04:07. It will be out there for everyone to see.
DeleteAnon 00:19. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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Anon 00:19 sounds like a very angry and frustrated individual to me. I'll be curious to see how he sounds after JC finally reveals all just like he's promised to do. No doubt anon 00:19 will then find something else to complain about. Some people just love to find fault in others while ignoring their own faults. They literally live for that.
DeleteJC wrote "I think he loved the fact that he had everyone fascinated and mystified by his invention."
ReplyDeleteAgreed. He must have felt like a king knowing that he was the only person in history who had ever constructed a working pm wheel. I wonder how he could bear to destroy a wheel after he had put so much effort into planning and constructing it? I would never be able to do something like that. I realize there was a security issue involved and I can only imagine that he destroyed a wheel after he already had plans in mind for the next larger and more powerful wheel. It seems the destruction of all of the wheels always preceded some move he made to a new town.
I don't think he destroyed them completely. He probably salvaged anything made of metal such as steel pivots, brass bushings, and metal hooks and screws. Even the lead weights could be melted down and recast into heavier weights. Most of the wood would probably have been used in a fireplace! We have to keep in mind that until he met Count Carl, his budget was tight and he needed to recycle as much as he could. Even pm wheel builders nowadays do the same thing.
DeleteHere's what Bessler originally intended to build on top of that hill in Fürstenberg to mill grains, but his cheapskate employer at the time did not want to pay the extra cost of constructing a true Savonius type windmill and so instead insisted that Bessler use cheap flat canvas panels inside an open roofed over top. Bessler tried to make his employer happy, but then one windy morning during construction of the low cost version, a sudden gust rapidly blew the panels around and one of them knocked Bessler right off the top of the structure to his death! Shortly after that unfortunate accident, Bessler's employer cashed in the life insurance policy he had taken out on Bessler and used the money to buy himself a nice new "Schloss" or manor house with gold plated chamber pots in all of the bedrooms! Everyone in Saxony had forgotten all about Bessler and his pm wheels by then, but suddenly gold plated chamber pots were in great demand...
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Ridiculous but amusing. I’ve got a drawing of his original design which I’ll post if I can find it. It was a conical shape with vertical shutters up the side of the cone, capable of opening or closing as it rotated. The structure was fixed to the top of the very thick stone walls.
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What anon 07:09's AI fake image shows might be possible using early 18th century materials. Instead of simple flat canvas covered panels, Bessler would have had to construct curved panels which is not that easy to do if they have to have a large surface area. He'd have to take long wooden planks and somehow warp them into curved shapes. Maybe wet the wood and then compress the ends toward each other to bend a plank and let it all dry so that warped shape becomes permanent? Finally, he'd add cross pieces to those curved pieces and attached canvas sheets. If this worked, then it would not be necessary to put a roof over the finished Savonius sails which would simplify the construction of the windmill. Using oiled cloth canvas would have protected the sails from rain and snow. I suspect that Bessler may have considered this possible design and maybe anon 07:09 was right about the reason for it not being used. The need to save money puts limits on everything humans do whether it's an 18th century windmill or a 20th century space shuttle.
DeleteVery detailed explanation and speculation - how very KB!
DeleteIn the 18th century when you had to go, you had to go...but the rich knew how to do it in style!
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Thanks for sharing that anon 3:03. But those chamber pots were usually used with a specially made chair called a "commode". The pot was slid below a hole in the seat of the chair and was emptied every morning and evening. The poor just threw it's contents out of a nearby window, but the rich might have a servant empty one into some pit at a distance from their house. Btw...toilet paper hadn't been invented yet! Fortunately, perfume had! Yuck...
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JC: "There is an oddity about the numbering of the woodcuts in MT."
ReplyDeleteHere's my best guess which I am not sure is original.
Z is the last letter of the alphabet which signifies the end of something. Why did Bessler start using the Z's with the 52nd drawing in MT? The obvious reason was to tell the reader that something ended when he reached drawing 52. Maybe what ended was the collection of MT drawings that one could actually use to understand the basic mechanical principles that Bessler's pm wheels used? IOW, the secret of his wheels could be fully understood by just studying the principles illustrated in the first 51 drawings in MT. That makes more sense to me then thinking that he sprinkled clues throughout the work. However, my theory fails to explain how DoSoS managed to find a clue about Y shaped levers (that is, the number 25) in MT 85 several blogs back. Maybe when Bessler got to the number of that drawing, because 8 + 5 = 13 which is a religious number, he couldn't resist sticking another clue into it?
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Your guess is as good as any other, Brad. All of the hints in his notes are in those first 54 MT drawings and the lately added MT 138 "Toys Page" that many think he inserted to replace MT 138 to 141, the four destroyed pages what actually showed the details of his working pm wheels.
DeleteHe hints that levers are connected together with ropes, springs are somehow used, and that you need a special "handle" or lever (maybe SoS's Y levers?). But, of course, there's nothing detailed enough in those notes to start simming or building. Since all of the designs show OB wheels we have to assume that was how his wheels worked...sustained OB. Now all we have to do is figure out how you can combine all of those mechanical hints into a wheel whose weights stay OB as it turns. Sounds easy...until you try to do it!
Anon 00:14: "...and the lately added MT 138 "Toys Page" that many think he inserted to replace MT 138 to 141..."
DeleteLet me try some numerology on those numbers. If you add the numbers of the supposedly four missing pages that revealed Bessler's secret pm wheel design you get 138 + 139 + 140 + 141 = 558. How would SoS or his "disciple" view that? Probably they'd say that you multiply the 5's to get 5 x 5 = 25 which stands for the 25th letter of the alphabet or Y which indicates Bessler used those Y shaped levers. And, of course, that remaining 8 means he used 8 of them per wheel! I'm starting to think that if one tries hard enough, he can "prove" almost anything with numerology! The same also applies to the various angles and shapes we see in the Bessler drawings. If a dozen different pm chasers look at them, you will get a dozen different interpretations of them. Who's to know which, if any, are correct?
"Who's to know which, if any, are correct? "
DeleteIt's simple. The interpretations that lead to a runner are the correct ones!
Just when we all thought Bessler had a monopoly on working pm machines, along comes this!
ReplyDeleteIt's an original letter dated May 18, 1797, from John Oliver of Bordentown to Thomas Jefferson. The letter mentions that Oliver’s son has developed a machine claimed to exhibit perpetual motion. This communication reflects the era’s interest in scientific innovation and mechanical inventions.
The machine must have been somewhat small because it was put into a chest and ran continuously for 3 months and a day. After that it was witnessed by others and declared to be a "perpetual motion". IF this is true, it beats Bessler's Kassal wheel endurance test. Here's the original letter and the alamy.com website sells printed copies of it:
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Imo, it was, because of its small size, some sort of magnetic motor that used lodestones.
Thank you anon 11:09. Very interesting. I’d like to try and discover more about the boy and his invention.
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Most interesting, anon 11:09. Fawk, there could have been dozens of actual working pm machines constructed over the centuries with so many obsessed inventors trying to build them. But, where are they now? Unlike Bessler who wrote and distributed books for years to promote the sale of his invention, those other inventors probably only showed what they had to a few close friends or gave a public demonstration to a very small group in some remote town. The inventor may have expected the world to then beat a path to his door to buy the invention and, when that did not happen, he just stored it away somewhere and, after his death, it was thrown out with the rest of his junk. The invention then became "lost to history" as they say. One notable exception was the Asa Jackson wheel. Decades after the inventor's death, it was found stored away in a barn and eventually wound up in a museum devoted to Appalachian crafts and inventions. That wheel, or most of it, still exists, but no one has managed to figure out how it worked or can get it to work now.
DeleteI vaguely remember that years ago a guy showed up on bwf and claimed he had actually invented a working pm wheel decades earlier and let his kids play with it. When asked what happened to it, he could not remember. When asked what the design was, he could also not remember the details. So, was he lying or hallucinating or telling the truth? We'll never know for sure since he disappeared permanently after posting there for about a month or so.
The only working pm wheel we know for sure existed is the design that Bessler found and, despite that, almost everyone who hears about it nowadays automatically dismisses it as a hoax. Will that status change if someone invents a working wheel now and claims it's the same as Bessler's wheel? Not necessarily. It will have to perform exactly like his did and also be justified by various hidden clues he left in his writings that a majority agree are clues and describe the new wheel's mechanics. Even if the new wheel passes all of those tests, it could still take years to decades to finally be accepted as the resurrection of the Bessler wheel. The inventor could be long cold in his grave by then!
@anon 11:09
DeleteAssuming that letter's story is true, Oliver's son's magnetic pm motor might have been something like this:
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But I'm thinking of a variation that has a stator magnet on four sides of the rotor for extra torque.
Damn! That should work anon 20:02! I'm going to see if I can build it and use your idea with the four stator magnets surrounding the rotor.
DeleteYes, give it a try anon 02:05. But I'd recommend that you only use four magnets on the rotor instead of the six shown. Also, just start with two stator magnets located on opposite sides of the rotor. Keep it simple to start and work slowly. Good luck and please do let us know what results you get.
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It's got to be fake because if it was real we'd be using it right now instead of just seeing it on a youtube video. Inventors with real working devices aren't making youtube videos. They are patenting it and negotiating with Big Oil to keep it off the market!
DeleteHere's another one that's fake. See if you can guess how he faked his video.
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Chikumbutso is back! I thought he had disappeared, but he's back with a bigger and more powerful free energy device that can produce half a megawatt to power 300 homes! It pulls "natural energy" right out of the air using his revolutionary "micro sonic energy device". He's been privately told by a government official that the government wants to use it to power homes and will pay him for all of the electrical power it produces. I guess it won't be long before we see these all over the US and UK charging up everyone's new Chinese made EV! Just another incredible technological breakthrough from Zimbabwe!
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This has got to be one of the most interesting websites online devoted to Da Vinci's designs for pm wheels:
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Bessler must have been familiar with them and referred to inventors like Da Vinci as "men of renown" in MT. Da Vinci, btw, was the first inventor to declare that pm was impossible. Using rolling "sphere weight" type wheels that may be true. But, Bessler was not using such a wheel.