I probably should say Happy Holidays, but I’m in the United Kingdom, a Christian country and my King is head of the church, and I like tradition, so I chose this greeting, but it’s for everyone anyway.
I have plans to share everything I have concerning Johann Bessler’s so-called perpetual motion machine, as soon as possible in the New year 2026. I am busy refining the text of a document I will be posting, while trying to put together some quality diagrams showing the details of the machine I’m building at present. Knowing and understanding the concept underlying Bessler’s machine, is one thing; putting it together to complete a working model is something else entirely.
All five mechanisms, each with a single weight. are fitted, but I’m adding some refinements not necessary in a professional model. I’ve had problems with the levers locking up due to over extending and also they are still suffering from lateral looseness. I hope these additional fixtures will solve the problems. Once they are working as designed I will add the cords and screw-hooks (instead of pulleys) and release the pent up energy!
JC
And "Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays" right back to you too. Personally, I'm just celebrating the passing of another year during which time I was still above ground and among the living. I and some of my friends may not be celebrating that next year. We've already each gotten several rain checks from the Grim Reaper and he only hands out so many to each of us...sometimes he doesn't hand out even one.
ReplyDeleteWell, it sounds like FINALLY we are going to be seeing your top secret Bessler wheel design. I know I can't wait to see it and the clues that justify it. Obviously, whatever you have is not yet a runner or you'd be a lot more excited about it. Let's just all hope (and pray) that sims show it can run or can be made to run with a bit tweaking here and there.
"I have plans to share everything I have concerning Johann Bessler’s so-called perpetual motion machine, as soon as possible in the New year 2026."
ReplyDeleteLol! He had the same "plans" for the last several years in a row! Note the phrase "...in the New year 2026". That could be ANY time between 12:00:01 am New Year's Day 2026 and midnight of December 31st, 2026! We've all seen this tired movie of his before. This is just the latest rerun of it.
NEVER believe anything JC promises until and UNLESS you actually SEE it. And, trust me, you won't be seeing anything from him before the end of this year or throughout all of next year. There is a real reason he was dubbed "The Great Disappointer" on this blog! Now watch and see how right I will be.
I shall enjoy seeing what a troll like you says after John delivers on his promise this time. No doubt you will go silent and crawl right back under your rock and we won't be hearing from you again!
DeleteHey John, I am wishing you the best. If this great mystery is to end at last, it is fitting that you be the one that solves it ! Of the billions of people who have lived since Bessler's time, none have done more to keep his story alive than you. I have spent a fair amount of years (40+) giving thought to how Bessler did what he did, and have my own "this must be it!" design. Before you post the results of your current design, can you confirm that you believe that Karl, seeing your design, would describe it as "simple" and surprising that no one had thought of it before?
Delete@anon 04:33. I'm not John, but I would highly recommend that you get that Ken B book because many (including me) are coming to believe it does contain "the" secret to Bessler's wheels. You can find low cost used copies on Amazon. The full title is "The Triumphant Orffyrean Perpetual Motion Finally Explained!" by Kenneth W. Behrendt. But, it's 800 pages long so be prepared for a lot of reading...more than you've ever done before on the subject. It also contains many never before seen drawings of the internal mechanisms of Bessler's wheels. Ken B also has the best explanation of how Bessler made his largest wheel bidirectional, imo. It was actually very simple, but required a very carefully adjusted, gravity activated device on each lever.
Delete@anon 14:44. How can ANY true solution already be publicized and not yet built and running for all to see?
Delete@anon 00:28. It can easily happen. Ken B claims that building a replica of Bessler's 3 foot diameter prototype wheel can be done in only a month of part time work. Maybe it could be for him, but his instructions indicate that the wheel must be precisely constructed and balanced with separate small parts that have to each have rather precise masses. He actually recommends using a digital scale accurate to hundreds of an ounce to weigh the parts to assure that precision! Most pm wheel chasers are not used to that level of precision which is what one might expect from an apprentice clockmaker which was one of Bessler's many occupations. They tend to slap things together with scrap box parts and hope for the best. That approach will not work with Ken's version of the Bessler prototype. He also warns people to only start with the prototype wheel and not try to make anything bigger until they can successfully get the prototype working. He likens the construction of the toy like prototype to "basic training" which will prepare the serious Bessler pm wheel builder for the construction of larger versions. However, he does say a larger version can be initially attempted, but that should only be done by the most skilled of craftsmen. His book is really meant to be carefully studied, rather than just sped read through. It's probably the most detailed study ever made of Bessler's wheels which becomes apparent before one has progressed very far through it. From studying his book, it's apparent to me that he has some background in woodworking because his instructions are those that would be of use to a woodworker.
DeleteI cant accept any of that. Karl's account is one of a very simple design and Bessler himself said that any buyer would realize there is not much too it. The bottom line is that however Bessler achieved either mass deception or actual PM, it was done with tools and materials of the 1700s. If his method (of either fraud or PM) were truly "revealed", a working device would be built in short order. We are not talking about an abstract theory that can only be tested via sophisticated equipment and years of research.
DeleteYou are free to accept or reject whatever you want. But, imo, if you don't study the Ken B book you will be making a big mistake. Imo, what has prevented the replication of Bessler's wheels despite the design Ken B eventually found is the very precise balancing required. If Ken B's analysis is correct, then the CoG of the eight weights in the 3 foot diameter prototype wheel was only horizontally displaced 1/16th of an inch from the exact center of the axle. In the 12 foot diameter Merseburg and Kassal wheels, the CoG of their hundreds of pounds of lead weights was only horizontally displaced 1/4th of an inch from the exact center of the axle. Those are VERY slight displacements relative to the diameters of the drums and require precise construction and balancing of a wheel in order for it to maintain a constant torque as it rotates. Others chasing their own over balanced pm wheel designs usually try to get the CoG of its weights as far away and directly horizontal from the center of a wheel as possible. Those designs never work as three centuries of failures have demonstrated. Bessler's approach barely worked, but that was achieved at the price of much lower torque.
DeleteSo, you are saying that Ken B went through the effort of writing and publishing a book, but didnt have time to have the thing actually built? Are you Ken?
DeleteI'm not Ken, but he mentions in the intro to his book that he has physical and equipment limitations that prevent him from building the prototype wheel himself, but he would if he could. I suspect what really happened is that after completing his huge volume and finally finding the solution he sought, he no longer felt a need to actually build it himself. That is, he was then content to have just published precise instructions that could allow anyone who was able to do so to build it in the future. In one of the early chapters he describes what ordeals he had to go through to get the book written and finally published and how many times it almost didn't make it. It must have been a very emotionally and physically draining experience for him, but he achieved his goal. The volume is the largest and most detailed ever devoted to Bessler's wheels. It will be part of the literature of the field for many years to come. In the absence of a physically built and running wheel, that's not too bad of a second prize to have, imo. I think I'd be satisfied with it. Nothing I ever built worked.
DeleteMerry Christmas and Happy New Year, John!
ReplyDeleteRelease the files!😅
I shall be doing that asap, and thanks for the support.
ReplyDeleteJC
Merry Christmas and I hope your New year is made happy with a runner. I look forward to it happening as you deserve it from the amount of work and effort you have put into it. Naysayers are lazy as it takes no effort to critcise. Even if it doesn't run I will be interested to see the design and it may spur someone to come up with the eventual runner.
DeleteYes we are a christian country, although some of the comments from the head of the church make you wonder.
Yup. Something definitely feels different about this promised release by JC. Maybe it's his age? Maybe it's the frustration of him not being able to get his pet wheel running? Whatever. But when it's disclosed asap I'm sure many will sim it and look for any loopholes that can make it into a runner if it's not already one. Only 11 days 'til the new year! Happiest of holidays to all! Also, please don't drink and drive. If you do, you might not be around to see what JC has been hiding away all of these years!
DeleteI also think John should disclose ASAP. Once one passes the age of 80 he can drop dead any night no matter how good the numbers looked on his last physical's lab tests. Then his incompetent doc's will just say "Gee...guess he had some serious condition our tests missed...oh, well, too bad...next patient please..." If John drops dead before he reveals his design, it will die right along with him and will be erased from history like it never existed!
DeleteOUCH! I better make sure I survive long enough to publish everything? 🤣
DeleteYears ago I had a friend over for dinner one night and we enjoyed a pleasant evening of conversation. He seemed fine. A month later I got a call from his sister telling me that he was dead! Turned out that he had some sort of rare and very aggressive liver cancer usually only seen in the tropics that suddenly made him ill. At the hospital they told him he needed an emergency liver transplant, but they didn't have one available for him at the time that was a match for him. His condition rapidly worsened, he went into a coma, and then he expired. I couldn't believe it. He was only in his 50's at the time and was not a smoker. The message I got from this incident is to not think just because you feel fine today that means you'll live to be 100. Also, don't assume the doctors can save you no matter what your medical problem is. The reality is that we never can know for sure when our ends will come. Enjoy each day as much as possible, because as one gets older, the chance of each day being one's last day keeps increasing. There are people alive right now that have all kinds of plans for the upcoming holiday. A certain percentage of them will, unfortunately, be spending their holiday in their local funeral home!
DeletePoor John...seems like everyone's wondering what will "keel" first...him or his wheel! Lol!
DeleteI just thought I'd drop in briefly to wish everyone here a happy winter solstice season. From now on to the vernal equinox on March 20th next year, the days in the northern hemisphere of our planet will be getting about 2 minutes longer as the nights get about 2 minutes shorter each day. At the time of the equinox the day and night will briefly be the same length at any latitude. In the southern hemisphere of our planet, of course, the exact opposite will be happening. Right now people are enjoying the sunny beaches down there!
ReplyDeleteI am, as usual, extremely busy at this time of year, so my Bessler clue research has been minimal. However, I did recently find another quite surprising "hidden in plain sight" clue in one of the Bessler drawings that I can share. But, seeing as how JC appears to be on the verge of revealing his final version of Bessler's wheel, I shall delay revealing my clue here until after his forthcoming 81st birthday so that his design can have time to receive the attention it deserves. And, of course, I am hoping that he finds the success he has been seeking with it. Bessler described finding a working pm design as bringing one's work to a "glorious completion". It must indeed be a very glorious feeling to experience!
Before commenting today, I went back and read through some of the recent blogs. Let me just say that I was totally stunned by the clue analysis that "DoSoS" did on that Bessler drawing in the 1719 annual poetry card for Count Karl that he posted in the comments for the November 19th blog. To see someone finally find the details of the Y shaped levers was amazing to me especially since I had spent years looking for clues for them which I was never able to find. To be honest, I doubt if I could have done as excellent a job as he did despite my own skills at clue finding. Also, he was wondering if I would be offended by him referring to himself as my "disciple". No, DoSoS, I am actually honored that you would use that pseudonym. All I can say to you is to just keep doing exactly what you are doing!
I will be back next year with a belated Christmas gift clue for everyone to enjoy. Once again, happy holidays to all and farewell for now...
Sayer of Sooths
Thanks, SoS, and happy "winter solstice season" to you too!
DeleteI'm so glad that you are not offended by my username. I chose it to reflect the admiration I have for you and your many visits here over the years when you revealed new clues to us. As for my discoveries revealed in that November 18th blog's comments, all I can say is that I got very lucky. Finding the Y shape in that Bessler's drawing was fairly easy, but finding the extra decoding method he used to give the attachment points on its arms was pure luck. Also, I wouldn't have known how to interpret the lengths of the parallel lines the decoding method produced unless someone else provided me with the lengths of the ropes Bessler used in his wheels. I hadn't previously read the Ken B book and was completely unaware of them. Despite your modesty, I'm sure you would have found them much faster than I did. (Btw, I'm now about halfway through Ken's huge Bessler pm wheel book and it is definitely one of the most fascinating I've ever read. I am looking forward to the last quarter of the volume where he points out all of the clues he found in the Bessler drawings and how he interpreted them.)
Anyway, I and I'm sure many others here will be eagerly looking forward to that new "belated Christmas gift clue" you promised to show us in the new year. I know that you will not disappoint us because you never have in the past.
Merry Christmas to you and also to all of the loyal followers of this blog and, especially, to JC for making it possible for us to share our ideas here.
Disciple of SoS
You are welcome! I like this little community we have here and I always look forward to reading other people’s ideas. I will definitely be sharing my wheel’s in the New year, hopefully before my birthday. Unfortunately it has no Y shaped levers and only five mechanisms. 😂
DeleteJC
Happiest of holidays to SoS, DoSoS, and JC as well as everyone else here! This is my favorite time of the year.
DeleteSomeone said a while ago that SoS usually pops in just before Christmas with a gift clue for us and he did show up as predicted. But, NO clue for us at this time?! I'm disappointed. We'll just have to be patient. All those years of struggling with nonrunners should have taught us all that unpleasant "virtue" by now. But, then again, maybe all of those delays we had to endure chasing runners have made us more impatient in the world outside of our little shops? I notice in my case that after my latest attempt turns out to be yet another dead duck, I tend to be moody and a little cranky for a few days afterward. I guess it comes with the hobby. My wife seems to realize that and steers clear of me at that time. That's why I think it's a good idea to time the critical testing of your latest wheel design so it doesn't take place just before Christmas. If (when!) it fails, that can put you in a foul mood that could ruin your holiday celebrations. Better to wait until the middle of the next month of January.
Merry Christmas and happy holidays to everyone here.
DeleteI'm also disappointed that we aren't getting our usual Christmas gift from SoS, but I tend to agree with his reasons. He obviously puts a lot of effort into the clues he gives us and this is a very busy time of year for all of us. I'm also a fan of his and wish I could find clues as quickly as he and his new disciple DoSoS do. However, I do consider myself to be in training to become his second disciple because I'm also always looking for any numerology clues I can find especially in the Bessler's drawings. So, here's my attempt to provide a surprise clue to take the place of the one from SoS that we must now patiently wait for.
Notice that Christmas comes on the 25th day of December? That date can also represent the 25th letter of the alphabet or "Y" whose shape is similar to the levers Bessler supposedly used in his wheels! That particular date would have been important to Bessler because it also makes a connection between the birth of a divinity with one of the major parts inside of Bessler's wheels and tells us that Bessler considered his discovery of pm to have been given to him by God (some Christian religions, like Catholicism, consider that, although Jesus and God the Father are separate persons, they are still the same god for some reason).
December is the 12th month of the year and Bessler's two largest wheels just happen to each be exactly 12 feet in diameter! Is that just a coincidence? Imo, not likely, because he could have made them other diameters but picked that particular size for a reason. There were also 12 apostles who followed the divine person born on December 25th. I read somewhere that there were originally 12 days of Christmas and not just one like we celebrate today. 12 x 12 = 144 and, IIRC, that number appears somewhere in the Book of Revelations.
Also, if you add the numbers in 25 you get 2 + 5 which equals 7. That was one of Bessler's favorite numbers. It appears in his "lucky ratio" (which is 0.777 and thanks to SoS for finding that for us) and in many of his drawings if you study them carefully. Just look at that organ behind him in the second DT portrait in his workshop. Count the number of visible pipe openings that lead up to his right ear. Those openings are where the sound comes out when the organ is played and there are 7 of them! At the front top corners of the organ's case we see baby angels or cherubim hovering. To me the message of that symbolism is clear. The little angels are messengers from God and the 7 organ pipes leading up to Bessler's ear was Bessler's way of telling us that the secret of pm wheels was put by God into Bessler's mind using cherubim as the messengers. Maybe they have the power to influence one's dreams? Bessler did mention he had some sort of unusual dream that motivated him to continue working on his wheel until he finally got it running.
Okay, that's the best I can do as an SoS disciple trainee. Hopefully, I'll improve in time.
Happy holidays everyone!
Brad
You did good Brad. I never noticed those seven organ pipe holes leading up to Bessler's ear. I agree with your analysis.
Delete“a great craftsman would be he who, as one pound falls a quarter, causes four pounds to shoot upwards four quarters.”--- after John reveals his design, I hope to show him what I think (actually, absolutely positively know) this truly means. I feel CERTAIN that almost all of you will say "yes !!". It is so simple, I (like Karl) am "surprised no one has thought of it before" (Emphasis on the word "it").
Delete@anon 01:30
DeleteI found this ken b video where he shows what he thinks B meant by the great craftsman verses. It shows how to make 4 lbs shoot up 4 ft while 1 lb drops 1 foot which appears to be a mechanical advantage of 16:1. It's really cheating using a stretched spring, but it does work. The actual mechanical advantage is more like 0.999:1. Supposedly, B tells us with this example that the secret of achieving pm is to use very careful counter balancing using stretched springs which would be attached to the levers holding the weights inside of his wheels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtwWm_wTaXE
@Anon 2:30 -- maybe I just don't get it, but that is the simple application of a lever with a spring involved to make it work. The concept that occurred to me a few years ago (after nearly 40 years of kicking these clues around) is so utterly unique from anything I had ever considered before and yet SO damn simple, that I am more curious about why I didnt think of it before now than I am about whether it will actually work. I have bothered John a few times over the years and have respected his refusal to look at my design until AFTER he has revealed is final work. I am hoping to send it to him soon. When I do, I believe (whether it works or not) he will at the very least think "why hasn't anyone considered this simple design before now?"
Delete@Anon 07:03
DeleteIt sounds like you are yet another man with Bessler pm secrets to hide. John does not want to look at your design before he reveals his because, should it by chance be similar to his, then that would put you in a position to claim he used your original design to make his wheel and, therefore, you should be getting some or even all of the credit for his wheel! So, obviously, he's not going to let you get a chance to do that. My advice to you would be to make a quick but accurate sketch of your simple design and post it here and on bwf. That will establish your priority to it and then, if John finally reveals anything to us, he won't be able to steal your design or claim to have any credit for it. Ultimately, however, if both you and John got your pm designs by studying Bessler's writing and clues, then it is he and not you two who really has the credit for it.
the KB/JC blog . KB alteregos circling like hyena's ready to seize the limelight
ReplyDeleteI love hyenas and here's one that looks a lot like the one I once had as a pet. Isn't she cute? I called her "Bella" and raised her from a cub. Unfortunately, I had to get rid of her after she ate my mother-in-law. Someone told me I probably wasn't feeding her enough. Anyway, I really miss her...my pet, that is!
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Omg! lol! I got to get one of those cubs for my mother in law!
DeleteThis looks like a recent photo of my m-i-l:
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Do pet shops carry those hyena cubs? I'm gonna want to buy about a half dozen of them for her. She'll love them!
LOL! Hey, anon 21:47...if she's your mother in law, then what does your wife look like?!
Delete@anon 21:38
DeleteHere's a photo of my wife that I took in Rome on our vacation to Italy last summer. She's almost thirty years younger than me, but I think she accepted a husband of my age because she never knew her real father and needed a father figure in her life. I was VERY happy to fill that role for her. She keeps me busy...especially at night!
https://postimg.cc/ZWHp32v1
Btw, she was adopted...(thank you dear God for that!!!)
Damn! She wouldn't happen to have a twin sister who is also looking for an older, retired gentleman to be her "father figure"? If so, I would gladly like to apply for the job!
Delete@anon 01:17 That's a hoax photo. It's a colorized frame from the movie "La Dolce Vita" made in 1960 showing the Swedish actress Anita Ekberg. She was certainly a goddess type back then when she was 29. She died in 2015 at age 83 after being wheelchair bound for several years.
DeleteHere she is at about 80 a few years before she died in 2015:
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I HATE what time does to the female face and body...male face and body too. People should stop aging at 30 and then live youthfully until they are at least 140 years old and then, after that age, suddenly just die in their sleep on some random night which could be the next day or the next decade...no way of telling for sure which night will be one's last.
what you are wishing for anon 20:58 might actually be possible someday. there is a lot of research going on now into the aging process and how to stop or at least slow it down to a crawl. unfortunately, it involves problems at the genetic level of cells that need to be corrected and our science of genetics is still in its infancy. right now all a person can do is eat a diet rich in antioxidants, don't smoke, avoid fried foods, and try to exercise regularly and take your vitamins daily. with age hormones decline and replacing them can help. at best a person might make it to over a hundred and still be physically active, lucid, and living independently. no guarantees of course because there is a limit to how much all that healthy living can do to compensate for poor genes. but someday it might be possible to deage a person by decades using gene therapy.
DeleteWe all only get so many heartbeats and when your number is up, it's up no matter what the doc's do or say and when it's not up, it's not up no matter what the doc's do or say. I don't like to waste my limited supply of heartbeats chasing after bs that isn't worth a damn which, unfortunately, is how a lot people spend most of their lives. There are millions of smooth talking hucksters out there dedicated to helping others chase that bs because, during their chases, those hucksters can rake in tons of cash off of it. At the end, those few who actually catch the bs realize it is worthless, but by then their money is sitting in the hucksters' investments earning interest for them. I label such things as religion, politics, psychotherapy, expensive socializing, home improvements, higher education, travel, vacationing, holidays, military service, gambling, investing, collecting, etc. as pure bs and will waste no heartbeats on any of them.
DeleteDecide what really counts in life and is not bs and focus on getting results with it. Beware of those hucksters who are all amateur psychologists and know how to tell you whatever fantasy is necessary to loosen your grip on your wallet. They are well practiced as one can see by just watching a few commercials on tv.
So, is the secret of Bessler's wheels worth chasing? Unfortunately, for the vast majority of people out there the answer is no. They have never heard of Bessler or his wheels and could not care less about them unless they can somehow be used to put money in their pockets. Right now Bessler and his wheels are only making some coin for a few authors. Without a working replica of one of Bessler's wheels appearing, that will be the limit of it and his story and invention will just be another interesting bit of historical trivia to be added to the growing pile of them that occasionally and briefly gets mentioned in a youtube video or popular science article on some dying website.
Like many here I'm also hoping for some sort of big breakthrough this year with Bessler's wheels. But, I've been hoping that for years without seeing anything real come of it. Will this be the year? Ask me at a few minutes to midnight on December 31st, 2026 and I'll be able to tell you for sure.
Thx for your bs list anon 03:47 which I found most interesting. I agree with it and would add: climate change, green energy, net zero, vaccines, seasonal flu, media scare stories, electric vehicles, online dating, online subscriptions, gardening, most hobbies, diets, gym memberships, relatives, in laws, funerals, political parties, romance, tv shows, the latest movie, insurance, artwork, writing, and wars. They are all intended to take money out of your pocket and transfer it as quickly as possible into someone else's pocket while you get a head trip in exchange that will eventually fade away when you come out of the trance they put you into...if you ever do.
DeleteNice list which I mostly agree with. I'd add all pm machine designs except for Bessler's! The problem is knowing which one is actually Bessler's design. If you have a hundred pm chasers all working on a hundred different designs each of which is claimed to be "it", then either only one or none will be correct. For the last three centuries none have been "it". Without those pages he removed from MT and burned and buried, all we have to guide us are the various clues he hid in his few drawings. But, they aren't easy to find and interpret and most likely what you think is a clue is actually just a "clue" meaning it isn't really one or if it is, you've misinterpreted it. Bessler really knew how to frustrate people which is probably why he had such a bad reputation back then with everyone except for a small handful of people. They were only the ones he was convinced weren't out to steal his invention, sell it, and stick the thalers in their own coffers. Friends you can trust were hard to find back then and still are even today.
DeleteHmm...what to add to the bs list? How about credit cards, rent to own, timeshares, car leasing, and partial dentures.
DeleteI'd also add cable tv subscriptions to the list!
DeleteIf John’s clues aren’t right then nobody’s clues are right; he can claim the same things: ‘No one is simming with the correct dimensions, blah,blah.’ Ultimately a peeing contest. No winner.
ReplyDeleteJohn wrote "I will definitely be sharing my wheel’s in the New year, hopefully before my birthday."
ReplyDeleteLol! Notice the slow but steady change in his language as the end of this year approaches? At the end of October he mentioned that his FINAL big reveal would take place "...before this year is out." Then at the end of November we get from him "Announcement planned on or about or AROUND New Year’s Day, win or lose!" Now he's telling us that "HOPEFULLY" it will be before his birthday which, IIRC, is in early February! I'm wondering what his revised phrasing will be as that birthday comes and goes with nothing being revealed? Maybe something like "...all will absolutely positively finally be revealed before the beginning of this summer!"
You simply cannot trust ANY of his predictions. They are merely sleeping pills he routinely dispenses to keep everyone here in a perpetual state of anticipation. I'm even starting to doubt if he actually has a wheel he's working on. That could just be a fiction he's created to make himself look like a serious builder. We want to see photos of a CURRENT wheel and not just a single photo of some junk parts on a table top left over from a decade or more ago that he never got around to tossing in a refuse bin.
I still FIRMLY stick to my prediction that we will see ZERO from him in the coming year of 2026. No NEW drawings, no NEW photos, no NEW videos, and definitely no NEW clues. Now everyone please do just sit back and watch how VERY right I will be!
Oh yeah, happy holidays to everyone.
Won't YOU be shocked when he does reveal all and well ahead of his birthday! I'm sure he knows that his credibility is at stake and he won't let that go down the drain without taking action. I also think he does have a real wheel he is working on because he has let a lot of the details of its construction leak out over the past few months. I think you are ignoring that fact completely.
DeleteAnon 23:12. Yawn, yawn! Don’t you ever get tired of all your negativity? I’ll show you all how Bessler’s wheel worked very soon, after the New year and before my birthday. I don’t like predicting dates because things don’t always go according to plan, but now I’m ready so prepare to be amazed!
DeleteJC
Hmm...hard to tell what anon 23:12's real motivation is. On one level he looks like your typical troll who tries to shake a blog up with inflammatory comments. But, on another level it appears to me that he is trying to shame John into finally disclosing what he's promised to disclose for years, but never did. Also, that anon always ends his comments with a "prove me wrong" type challenge. Could it be that he is unknowingly expressing the thoughts of many here who follow this blog, but rarely post any comments?
DeleteWell, if John finally reveals something, that should silence that anon for good. But, if John fails to show us anything before his next birthday, then that anon, no doubt, will go into high gear with "I told you so!" type comments all over the place. I think whatever John shows us this time should be more than "a single photo of some junk parts on a table top" and I'm one of those who still believe it will be. I'm sure John is aware that his posturing here over the years with nothing to back it up has frustrated a lot of members here. It's time for him to end that frustration.
Posturing? Harsh, but I do get it. It’s understandable and I accept the criticism, I wasn’t trying to impress but I got carried away by the excitement of believing I had found the solution, so many times - but I hadn’t! However, for once in my life I’m confident this is it. I actually know and can explain exactly how and why it works. I haven’t finished my model yet, but I’m going to publish anyway, even if I haven’t finished it, because I know I’ve finally got the solution.
DeleteIt doesn't conflict with any physical laws, and of course I couldn’t, otherwise it would be impossible.
What I do need is someone who can do some drawings of it. I’m trying to do it with MS paint and struggling. But unless you live near me in the U.K. I will just have to persevere on my own.
Happy Christmas everyone.
JC
I don't want to offend John, but I find that I'm in agreement with that anon 23:12 troll!
DeleteHe mentioned a lot of things that many new here would be unaware of. People have been visiting this blog for years expecting John to finally "spill the beans" about his solution to the mystery, but it never happens. It can be very frustrating, actually annoying after you put up with it for years. Without a constant flow of new information why would anyone bother coming here? This blog risks becoming another bwf which is now just a place for aging pm machine inventors to announce their latest failures. Who gives a damn about their latest failures? People here want to see some real progress being made with Bessler's wheels for a change and over here which is probably the only remaining blog on the internet that is actually devoted almost totally to Bessler's wheels. Thank God we at least have those numerology guys like SoS and recently DoSoS and now Brad the "trainee" showing us some new clues here for a change.
I too want to see John's final solution to Bessler's wheels and I want to see as much discussion about it and simming of it as possible right here. He's either got it, got close to it which can be fixed with some small changes, or he's totally delusional and has been chasing the wind all of these years and taking us all along for the ride with him. It's time to know what's what with it. PLEASE don't disappoint us again, John!
I won’t disappoint this time!
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Even if JC can't draw the side of a barn, he could still take and upload two clear photos of his wheel for us. One showing the levers just before they fall and the other showing them after they fall. With that those who are skilled at drawing using things like MS Paint can take over and try to make acceptable drawings of the wheel's supposed actions. After that the simmers can move in and see what happens with an accurate model of the wheel. Does it manage to keep the cog of its five weights on one side of the axle or not as it turns? Is it self-starting from any position? If it does and is, then he can claim success and someone out there will surely try making a physical model of it for him. If it cannot maintain over balance and self-start, then the question becomes can it be modified to do so. If yes, then he can still claim success and most of the credit. If not, then it's time for him to close the chapter on it and either quit or consider a different approach. I think he will have a lot of decisions to make in the new year.
DeleteMy fear is that if JC's soon to be revealed wheel turns out to be a hopeless dead duck, then he may sink into a really deep depression and that could spell the end of this blog! Let's all hope that doesn't happen. As the title of that 1982 David Harris book said, "Dreams Die Hard". The dream of being the one to find Bessler's secret is not an easy one to give up on, especially if one has convinced himself he was very close to finding it.
Deleteso don't dream of being the "ONE . be magnanimous and discuss others designs and their limitations , and increase both your knowledge and the why of what can and can't work . more backbone and less wishbone .
DeleteThanks for the suggestion anon 21:18, that’s what I thought I’d do, but I’m away for Christmas with my family, so it will be the first thing I do upon my return.
DeleteAnon 23:17, I don’t think it will be a dead duck, I hope not! We’ll just have to wait and see. Confidence is high.
JC
JC wrote:
Delete"However, for once in my life I’m confident this is it. I actually know and can explain exactly how and why it works. I haven’t finished my model yet, but I’m going to publish anyway, even if I haven’t finished it, because I know I’ve finally got the solution.'
For once in your life? You could have said the same thing a half dozen times in the past! Let's hope this latest flare up of your confidence is not just another false one to add to your now very large collection. I also have had several moments of supreme confidence in the past when I thought that I finally had "it" only to almost immediately learn after a critical test that, once again, I had just been pathetically delusional and didn't know it.
I think that's exactly how Bessler planned it out for us. In his writings and drawings he gives the reverse engineer of his wheel secret just enough information to draw him in and get him working on it. But, there's not enough obvious information to allow that reverse engineer to solve the mystery. That then leads to people spending years maybe decades trying to solve it. As time goes by, they have invested so much effort that it is almost impossible for them to just walk away from it all especially since their latest design might only be one small change away from working! More years go by and the investment in time, effort, and emotions continues to grow. They are actually sort of digging a deep hole and the deeper it gets, the less likely they are to ever climb out of it.
I think, without success or mercifully dropping dead during the hunt, one possible escape from this trap is to eventually just say well I know this latest design of mine is most likely it and I'm sure that "someday" someone else will finally turn it into a runner. I've done my share and can now gracefully retire from the whole thing. That conveniently saves face without providing a working wheel. I'll be watching to see, should his five weight wheel fail, if JC opts for this exit strategy. It's probably the best that one can get without producing a working wheel.
And that is where B set the trap for us which leads everyone astray , & we walked right into it . B did build an out-of-balance gravity wheel , but it wasn't along normal lines of levers and weights and pulleys etc ( the failed common-class MT designs ) imo . he created a structure or application attachment ( i.e. a separate mechanical entity ) that was added to just about any traditional unworkable OOB wheel to make it a viable runner . if you can design that bolt-on additional structure that ultimately leads to extra wheel impetus or momentum then you will have solved the mechanical mystery of how his OOB wheels were runners . if you are in doubt of this " separate Prime Mover entity " addition requirement then ponder deep & hard how you would possibly get MT's 44 & 48 to be runners as they stand ( simple ball transfer outliers ) . if John has found and built this separate Prime Mover structure then his fixation to only go down the route of solving B's hidden codes and ciphers to reveal a mechanical solution to a runner will be proved to be the true path to success . good luck & best wishes John -f
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DeleteYou are promoting the idea that Bessler's pm secret was some sort of extra add on gadget that could be attached to convert ANY nonrunner into a runner. But, that's not what he says in quotes like this from page 190 of DT:
"For this concept, my ‘principle of excess weight’, is NOT just an external appendage, an ‘added-on device’ which is there in order to cause, through application of its weight, the continuation of the motion (the revolution) so long as the cords or chains, from which it depends, permit. NO, these weights are themselves the PM device, the ‘essential constituent parts’ which must of necessity continue to exercise their motive force (derived from the PM principle) indefinitely so long as they keep away from the center of gravity. To this end they are enclosed in a structure or framework, and coordinated in such a way that not only are they prevented from attaining their desired equilibrium or ‘point of rest’, but they must forever seek it..."
To me he is clearly describing there a simple overbalanced wheel and its overbalance is maintained only by itself. There was no need to add something extra to the wheel as you are suggesting to keep it overbalanced as it rotated.
@ anon 21:34 read between the lines .
Delete"For this concept, my ‘principle of excess weight’, is NOT _ _ _ just _ _ _ an external appendage, an ‘added-on device’ which is there in order to cause, through application of its weight, the continuation of the motion (the revolution) so long as the cords or chains, from which it depends, permit _ _ _ ( e.g. chain & hanging weight driven grandfather clock given & releasing one-off Potential Energy ) _ _ _ . NO, these weights are themselves the PM device, the ‘essential constituent parts’ which must of necessity continue to exercise their motive force (derived from the PM principle _ _ _ ( i.e. mechanical principle of how they got their PE & torque restored ) _ _ _ ) indefinitely so long as they keep away from the center of gravity. To this end they are enclosed in a structure or framework, and coordinated in such a way that not only are they prevented from attaining their desired equilibrium or ‘point of rest’, but they must forever seek it..."
so what's the secret to getting MT's 44 & 48 to work without adding anything ? oh that's right , he says in the associated notes to add different structures & applications .
For MT 44, the critical line is:
Delete"This problem looks good, but as sketched it does nothing special as long as no other application is present..."
And for MT 48, the critical line is:
"The principle is good, but this figure will bring about no mobility by itself until completely different, additional structures have been provided."
I think that "application" and "additional structures" he refers to are just the attachment of one of his pm wheels to their axles to drive them. That does not require any modifications of the two designs' shown mechanisms. This approach would also work on any machine with an axle to which a drive belt from the axle of one of Bessler's pm wheels could attached.
Sometimes one can read too much "between the lines" and reach a false conclusion as a result.
Comprehension & context ! it is ludicrous to suggest that B advocates attaching an existing complete runner to dead-ducks to turn them into runners , in a booklet of dead-ducks . furthermore , why doesn't he say that in the notes about many or all other MT's instead of only a select few ones ? MT15 says the Prime Mover cannot be seen or deduced . you've said previously that he means attach a runner to it to act as the Prime Mover and make the dead-duck quack lol .
DeleteThe critical line in MT 15 is:
Delete"From this drawing alone, however, nothing of the prime mover's source can be seen or deduced although the figure shows the superior weight."
All he's saying here is that the secret mechanics of his pm wheels is not shown by the design of MT 15 even though that figure is over balanced. Imo, it's just another MT wheel that could only run if he attached a belt from one of his pm wheel's axles to the axle of MT 15. Many believe (me too) that the actual design of his pm wheels' mechanisms was shown at the end of MT and, unfortunately, it was all removed and destroyed after he was arrested and got paranoid from that experience.
And there is the fallacy of your whole argument . The context for the book we call MT . it is generally presumed that the collection MT was to be a future teaching aid in B's. planned school of mechanics . it was never published , however he says he removed certain critical pages & it is assumed he replaced them at the end with at least the Toy's Page & comments . it would be beyond stupid of him to aim his comments at , & intimate that various dead-ducks needed to simply attach a complete working runner in order to become a runner by default & association in a teaching text of mechanics progressing to an ultimate mechanical revelation . it would be foolishly naive to make these comments at various MT's about additional applications, structures, and Prime Movers required & then later explain in class that he meant just add my runner to any wheel and make it a true OOB wheel runner . he would be laughed out of the building because it is blatantly obvious to even the most blind that attaching a true runner to any false OOB wheel would make the combined unit a runner , as the false wheel is just another load to be turned . I don't believe B was stupid or naive to think he could get that over his students .
DeleteHe said a runner could be found by combining the right MT's together. If that's true, the answer should have been found by now. I don't think it's true. The pages he threw away were the ones we need. We'll never know how he did it.
DeleteI'm convinced that ken b did find the answer and published it already. What he shows in his book is probably very close to what Bessler removed from mt.
DeleteNah ; the ingredients for the cake are well known by everyone. Gravity, weights, levers, springs. His cake is half baked and lacks a prime mover.
DeleteIn his design the wheel is its own prime mover!
Deleteif it could only be a sustained self-moving 'prime mover', then the 'kb prime mover' could move ANY OTHER oob false runner wheel it was coupled to.
DeleteHmm...an effect being its own cause? Something about that doesn't quite sound right. If every effect must have a cause that is not itself, then there can be no "prime mover" or effect without cause which means pm should be impossible. If you carry this back far enough, you realize that the entire universe must never have had a beginning when it came into existence despite the nonsense peddled by the Big Bang theorists. The universe always was, is, and shall always be. Nothing can exist outside of an infinite universe because there is no outside to it. We're all trapped in it forever whether we like it or not! But Bessler's wheels were genuine so where did they get their energy from?
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DeleteJohn might also consider making a short video of his wheel that he can upload to his YT channel. That video could show how the levers shift as the wheel is slowly manually rotated. My question is do some of the levers shift suddenly every 72 degrees of wheel rotation or do they all shift continuously during wheel rotation? If the former then the torque should pulse and if the latter then the torque should be continuous. From studying the descriptions of the testing of Bessler's wheels it seems to me that they had constant torque meaning their levers shifted continuously during wheel rotation. If John says that the connecting ropes are always tight, then that suggests to me that the lever shifting must be continuous during wheel rotation. Like others here, I will be looking forward to what he reveals to us in the new year. Also, Merry Christmas to him and his family...and everyone else who visits this blog in search of the solution to the Bessler wheel mystery!
ReplyDeleteI like the idea of a short video. If he gives his wheel a little push and it shows any signs of trying to continuously move, even if it stalls out, then that will be a good sign. I'm dubious, however, that a wheel with an odd number of weights can work, but I'm trying to withhold judgement until I see what he actually has. Previously he claimed he had not seen his particular design anywhere else and that's another good sign. The internet and early patents are filled with all of the commonly known overbalanced designs and they are all useless as are all those in MT. If John has something unique, then that raises the chance of success. I think the month of January leading up to his birthday in February is going to be one of the most interesting on this blog ever!
ReplyDeleteMaybe he hasn't seen any other designs like his because everyone knows you don't make a pm wheel with five weights?!
DeleteCome to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a wheel with an odd number of weight levers in it (exception is, IIRC, the original MT 10 which has 15). Everyone seems to want the same number of weights on both sides with the ones on one side a little farther from the axle than the ones on the other side. Maybe John's (or should I say Bessler's!) is a true first. I'll be following this blog to see what he has.
DeleteAnon 16:14 wrote "...everyone knows you don't make a pm wheel with five weights..."
DeleteApparently, John does not know that. In the coming month he will either be spectacularly vindicated or he will learn a very painful lesson in mechanics. Without full disclosure it's too early to tell what his destiny will be, but I do wish him the best.
Latest photo using SoS's amazing new "Futurocam" invention that lets you photograph scenes up to five years ahead in the future!
ReplyDeleteAfter giving up on trying to make a five weight wheel run, John was about to quit pm wheel chasing for good when, incredibly, at the very last minute he found several new clues in the Bessler drawings that prove he used THREE weights in this wheels and not five. This futurocam photo shows John busily at work trying to get his new three weight wheel working so he can reveal it, whether it works or not, on his blog!
https://postimg.cc/QBGh4xw1
Also, the new shampoo he's using looks like its herbal ingredients are making some of his hair grow back!
I could use some of that shampoo. Does it come in "extra strength"?
DeleteIf that futurocam was real, I'd use it to find out what the next jackpot winning numbers in my state's pick 6 lottery was! But, then again, after I won, say, a dozen jackpots in row, the state authorities might start to get a wee bit suspicious that it wasn't all due to luck!
Deleteso do what i do & deliberately lose time after time so I'm never on their radar , then yippie-ki-yay & win big lol .
DeleteThanks once again, guys for a number of interesting comments, I love this to and fro, from various points of view.
ReplyDeleteI’ve just got back from staying with my amazing granddaughter Amy and seeing my daughters, sons-in-law, and other grandchildren, Andy (soon to be a multimillionaire) , Katie(soon to be a famous actress and of course our lovely Millie (very affectionate black Labrador).
I’m so excited to be publishing the results of over sixty years of research into a Bessler’s wheel as soon as possible.
JC
Please skip the first 99% of that research that led nowhere. Just give us the last 1% that convinces you that you have finally found B's secret. iow, skip the gravy and just give us the meat! We've been starved way too long around here!
DeleteYou have to think of that first 99% and the remaining 1% like a guy panning for gold nuggets on the bank of a river does. The 99% is like the mud in his pan that he has to wash away so that the 1% of shiny gold nuggets can be revealed. Forget the mud of past research and grab hold of the gold nuggets of present success! Gold is far more valuable than mud just as success is far more valuable than failure.
DeleteWe're all looking desperately for those nuggets. So far all I've found in my pan is mud. Let's all hope John has finally found a genuine gold nugget this time in his pan. Our field is littered with piles of fool's gold others have found over the centuries. It's time for the real thing! Good luck, John.
DeleteFinding a working design for a pm wheel would be more valuable than this actual gold nugget that was found in Australia!
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That photo only shows a replica of the "Welcome Stranger" nugget discovered in Australia in 1869. It was melted down for its gold and weighted about 158.8 lbs making it difficult for the average person to lift it. Bessler wanted the equivalent of 20,000 British £'s for the secret of his pm wheels. All those British gold coins would have had a weight of about 353 pounds. But, they were only 22kt gold which means they only contained 22/24 x 353 lbs = 323.58 lbs of pure gold.
DeleteSo, if you had a time machine and could travel back to 1717 to buy Bessler's secret (along with the Kassal wheel!), you'd have to bring 24kt gold ingots with you having a total weight of 323.58 lbs to make the purchase. The standard gold ingot you see at a place like Fort Knox weighs about 27.5 lbs so you'd have to give Bessler about 11.8 of them for his secret. Assuming that the Welcome Stranger nugget was pure 24kt gold (it wasn't because all found gold nuggets contain other metals like silver and copper), you could, alternatively, also hand over two of those huge nuggets to him to buy his secret if you had found another nugget of the same weight. You'd be hauling a lot of extra weight around in your time machine. Better use a heavy duty one designed for transporting bulky cargo through time because on your return trip you would be replacing the 323.58 lbs of gold you gave Bessler with a 12 foot diameter wheel that could have weighed several times as much!
Sounds like a bargain for Bessler's pm secret to me. 27.5 lbs of gold per ingot is equal to about 400 troy ounces of the metal. Just hop in your time machine, go back, and hand Bessler 11.8 --- no make it an even dozen --- of these shiny bricks and hope he accepts them a real:
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But, how much would it cost to invent a working time machine? Assuming it's even possible, I think it would cost a lot more than the value of a dozen gold bricks.
Ok, I got my time machine batteries fully charged up and I'm ready to take off to buy Bessler's Weissenstein Castle wheel. Let's see how much it will cost me to buy all of the gold I'll need to bring along with me for the purchase.
DeleteYesterday's spot market price for a troy ounce of gold was $4,381.00 USD. I'll need the equivalent of 11.8 bars that weight 400 troy ounces each so that's 11.8 bars x 400 t oz/bar = 4,720 t oz. At $4,381.00 USD per troy ounce that's $4,381.00 USD/t oz x 4,720 t oz = $20,678,320 USD! Not exactly an impossible amount of money to raise today...some movies cost more than that to make. But, would Bessler's pm wheel design make more than that for me today? That's the same question that bothered potential buyers back in Bessler's day.
JC wrote "I’m so excited to be publishing the results of over sixty years of research into a Bessler’s wheel as soon as possible"
DeleteThat's what he's saying lately, but I suspect the idea of it is scaring the heck out of him! Why? Because he's been playing the "I've got a secret" game so long that he may no longer have the strength to overcome that habit and stop playing it. Also, what if his secret Bessler wheel design, once revealed, turns out to be a "perpetual immotion machine" that cannot be fixed to work? What is his "Plan B" if that happens? Does he even have a Plan B? This should be interesting to watch. That troll anon keeps saying we'll never see anything from him on the one hand. But, he is under a lot of pressure to reveal on the other hand. Internal forces versus external forces...which will win out? If we see nothing from him by his birthday, then the internal forces will have won and I doubt if we'll ever see anything from him. He'll eventually pass from the scene leaving a mystery behind...did he really know Bessler's secret or not? Only God will know for sure.
I don't think he has a plan b. If his wheel turns into a dead duck, he will just say that he will keep working on it and maybe he will have some good news about it for us in the future. Or, he may just give up completely, but I don't think that will happen. He'll just keep right on looking for new clues that can make his five lever wheel work. Life will go on around here as usual...maybe.
DeleteUh oh...I'm starting to see slide up ads on this blog. When I try to use my ad blocker extension to knock them out, it disables my ability to post a comment here. This is a bad sign, imo. The owner of blogspot (which is, IIRC, Google) must have decided they are not raking in enough $$$'s off of this blog site. If their use of those annoying slide up ads does not enhance their revenue, they might decide to sell off or even abandon the site and then just switch it over to "read only" status. If they are really money hungry, then they may just delete the whole site! I suggest everyone interested in particular comments or linked images here make archival copies of them now...just in case! Never trust a greedy capitalist...they are the cause of about 99% of the problems in our world.
ReplyDeleteyeah to get their distraction cr*p ad off the bottom of the page you have to click the down arrow which increases the chance of you actually reading it. just another capitalist trick to sell you junk products or services you don;t need or want. they don't care how much of YOUR time they waste.
DeleteIt's annoying, but is it too much to put up with if the ad revenue helps Google keep this blog site operational? I'd rather put up with the ads and have JC's blog available, then do away with them and see JC's blog disappear.
DeleteIt's damn annoying and it will tend to keep people from coming to this blog. They have it set up so that as soon as it detects an ad blocker on your browser it disables the blog so you can only read the comments, but not post anything. I've notified my ad blocker maker that they have to do a better job of hiding their extension on browsers. Hopefully, they'll take care of this annoyance in another week or so.
DeleteLooks like my ad blocker maker took care of the problem. I'm no longer seeing those "bottom sliders" anymore. Btw. If anyone here doesn't already use an ad blocker and is, like me, fed up with the nonstop barrage of distracting ads, then you might want to consider installing the "AdBlocker Ultimate" extension on your browser. It's FREE and takes about one minute to download and install (of course, if you want to donate to them at any time, they will gladly accept, but it's not required). It knocks out everything...even annoying commercials they stick into movies you might be streaming. Just go here and follow the instructions after which you can say "Adios" to all internet ads (however, occasionally one will slip through because the advertisers are always trying to find a way to get around this extension and they can succeed...but only for a short time!):
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Thanks, anon 21:18! I installed it and it works perfectly. I wish I'd known about this years ago.
DeleteHAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
DeleteLet's hope 2026 is a healthy and productive one for all of us...especially when it comes to Bessler's wheels. It's time to have some solid and undeniable progress with them in the new year!
Brad
and happy new year to you too brad. time for me to start my celebtation drinking early. hopefully i'll still be conscious to see that ball come down at midnight in times square. most likely not though.
DeleteHappy FIRST New Year 2026 celebration from Auckland, New Zealand!
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"5 mécanismes", soit vous vous compliquez la vie, soit ce n'est pas ça.
ReplyDeleteIn English, “ 5 mechanisms", either you're complicating things, or that's not it.” Sorry but your comment doesn’t seem to make sense. Why does 5 mechanisms complicate things? No need to answer.
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