I know there are some who comment here in this blog on apparently meaningful numbers, relating to Bessler and his wheel.
Here are some other apparently meaningful numbers - 5, 2, 55
Tomorrow is my 52nd wedding anniversary.
Next month is my birthday 5th February, another 52
Bessler added two more forenames to give JEEB, alphanumerically 10, 5, 5, 2
Using the Caesar shift as Bessler did gives WRRO, alphanumerically 23, 18, 18 , 15.
The O represents his wheel, the two Rs can be seen supporting the wheel in the picture at the top of this page, notice they point in two different directions to indicate two-way wheels. In confirmation of this the word “RATH” meaning Councillor is written backwards. There other pieces of information hidden in the picture
The W has two purposes; firstly it is composed of two Roman number 5s, a favourite game he played in his many chronograms, double 5. Secondly it has an extremely important role in his wheel, enough said for now!
Apologia Poetica was planned as one book, but he added part 2 to defend against his enemy’s accusations. Part one ended with chapter 55. It included a code embedded in this chapter composed of 55 verses.
The 5s relate to the number of mechanisms in his wheel.
The 18s relate to the pentagram/pentacle embedded in his wheel, all of the angles in the pentagram are multiples of the number 18.
The O with its small inner circle is the wheel and axle. “It is also known as a circumpunct, The circumpunct (☉) is an ancient, universal symbol of a dot within a circle, representing concepts like the sun (Ra in Egypt, Apollo), gold (alchemy), God/the divine (Stoicism, Gnosticism), the universe, or a vector pointing outwards. Its meanings vary widely by context, from representing the unity of the cosmos and consciousness to a simple directional sign, making it one of humanity's oldest and most significant symbols”. (Courtesy of google.)
In the picture you can see Karl’s crown overseeing everything.
The two grasses are actually Arundo donax commonly used in organ reeds. Bessler’s brother, Gottfried helped with thecconstruction of Bessler’s wheel, being an apprenticed organ maker, hence the inclusion of a reference to organs.
D.M.M.P.M I don’t have any confirmation of this, but I guess it stands for Doctor of Mathematics, Medicine, Perpetual Motion.
The number of letters used in the picture number 5 on the left including the central O, but on the right Bessler has cheated by making the double F of Orffyre into one letter, but also conjoined the two letters Y and R of Orffyre into one letter to total 5 including O again.
So I seem to have a numerical connection to Bessler and the timing seems just about right. Of course it’s just a coincidence - isn’t it?
JC
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding anniversary. You have a very long marriage by today's standards. I hope you bought your spouse a nice gift or are planning a romantic dinner somewhere. Wedding anniversaries are the one day of the year a guy better not ever forget! That one is followed by his spouse's birthday and then St. Valentine's Day.
ReplyDeleteI too am obsessed with "Bessler numbers" and agree with most of your interpretations which have appeared here and there on this blog in the past. You pointed out the number 52 suddenly emerging in your life. 52 is equal to 4 x 13. If you add 4 and 13 you get 17 and if you repeat that number you get 1717 which is the year that Bessler's huge Kassal wheel was constructed! Coincidence? Unlikely, imo. It suggests something very important in the Bessler history is about to happen and it will involve you.
Whenever we see the number 55 anywhere, SoS is quick to point out that we must consider it equal to 5 x 5 which is 25 and stands for the 25th letter of the alphabet or Y and is supposed to be the shape of the levers Bessler used in his wheels. It is logical that he would end AP with a 55th chapter to stress the importance of that number and that particular lever shape. However, I'm sure you will interpret it differently as meaning that Bessler's reversible two direction wheels contained two one direction wheels each of which contained 5 levers with weights. Eventually, we will know if that is a correct interpretation or not.
You wrote: "So I seem to have a numerical connection to Bessler and the timing seems just about right. Of course it’s just a coincidence - isn’t it?"
Imo, there are no random coincidences in numerology. The scientists out there will just dismiss the numerological connections between events in the real world as all being due to "selection bias", superstition, and wishful thinking on the part of those seeing those connections. That sounds good, but when one starts to see those connections over and over again, at some point it goes from being chance to being destiny. I'm sure Bessler was well aware of this synchronicity effect as are all serious numerologists.
Disciple of SoS
Another interesting numerology analysis, DoSoS, which I agree with. Actually, I find myself agreeing about 100% of the time with both you and SoS! Now it's my turn to contribute my little something here. I've been studying that Bessler logo with the reeds, letters, and crown and think I've made a small discovery. I think Bessler embedded his lucky ratio in it, but you have to already know that ratio to find it. Well, we do know that ratio thanks to SoS and it has a value of 0.777 (it's really an unending string of 7's gotten by dividing 56 by 72). Here's a paint drawing I made of the logo to show how to find it:
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The big letter O in the center represents a zero and the smaller circle at its center represents a decimal point. Putting them together gives us 0. which must be followed by some numbers.
Now look at the bottom rim of Karl's crown that floats over the letters. If you carefully count the tiny dots on it (which I assume are small gems of some kind) you can just make out 7 of them. The one on the left side is hard to see though.
On top of the crown there are 7 things sticking out of it. Notice the center ones that I numbered 3, 4, and 5? They form a cross which can also be interpreted as a plus sign. That tells me we have to add numbers together or place them side by side with each other.
When I put all of these parts together I can get 0.77 from it that we can then take as 0.777 and which is Bessler's lucky ratio.
I'm still studying that logo and if I find anything else in it, I'll be back to reveal it.
Brad
PS Also before I forget, notice that the two reeds cross at the bottom of the logo to form a multiplication symbol or x? That indicates we are to multiply some numbers. Next notice that of the string of letters connected to the big O, there are only two that have the tips of two branches pointing to them. They are the two letters at the ends of the string of letters which are on the left the letter H and on the right the letter E. H has a value of 8 and E has a value of 5. If you multiply their values you get 8 x 5 = 40. This is a number that has a lot of religious meaning and maybe Bessler put it there to thank God for helping him find a solution to pm? I'm just guessing about this, but there is, imo, no mistaking that he wanted us to find that particular number 40 for some reason.
@Brad
DeleteIn the Bible the number 40 is used to represent a long period of time of hardship that finally ends with victory. After a global flood, Noah's ark floats about for 40 days until the waters recede and he and his family along with all of the animals they saved can emerge and begin civilization anew on our planet. The Israelites who escaped from Egyptian captivity wandered about in the Sinai desert for 40 years until their children were finally allowed to enter the promised land. Jesus wanders about the dessert for 40 days fasting and resisting Satan's temptations to prove he was worthy to be the Messiah. Etc. The number, however, does not necessarily mean the time period was exactly 40 days or years...just that it was a long time of suffering.
In Bessler's case, the number 40 could represent the ten years of hardship he had to endure before God inspired him to finally find a pm design that worked. You'll probably see this number show up in his other drawings as well.
whoa, 52 weeks in the year
Delete@Brad
DeleteYour lucky ratio clue analysis for that logo looks good to me. You also mentioned the letter H at the left end of the letters and I noticed something strange about that letter. If you reverse the letter you will see the number 3 suddenly appear! I thought I was seeing things at first but no it is definitely the number 3. I'm also an amateur numerologist (this is my first comment here) and to me that means we have to multiply the letter H's value of 8 by 3 or add 3 to it. If you multiply it you get 24. In a previous blog someone mentioned that the levers inside the Kassal wheel had three 8 lb weights attached to them for a total of 24 lbs on each lever. So maybe that odd looking H at the end of the logo's letters was Bessler's way of telling us he put that amount of lead weights at the end of each lever? If so then he just doubled the mass of the weights he used in the Merseburg wheel. Here's a drawing I made to show what happens when you flip that letter H around and how the number 3 appears. It's like some sort of weird optical illusion!
https://i.postimg.cc/HWyBBd0w/letter-H.jpg
Numbers would be meaningful in hindsight but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
DeleteHello and welcome, anon 16:52
DeleteThanks for you analysis of that left end letter H. However, the implication of it seems like a problem to me. If the two directional Kassal wheel actually contained two one directional wheels and each of them had eight levers and each of those levers held three lead weights that were each eight pounds, then that means that the Kassal wheel must have contained 2 x 8 x 3 x 8 lbs = 384 pounds of lead! If one only used one of the wheel's internal one directional wheels for power, that means he would still need a wheel using 192 pounds of lead. That's still a lot of lead to only generate about 50 watts of power.
I can just imagine the following conversation between a potential wheel buyer and Bessler at Weissenstein Castle:
Potential buyer: "Thanks for the demonstration of your amazing perpetual motion wheel invention, Herr Bessler. But, it does not seem to be that powerful although, as you said, it is only a demonstration model. You mentioned that it is powered by lead weights, so please do tell me how much lead would it have to contain to do the same amount of work as my current waterwheel that has 3,700 pounds of water dropping 12 feet through it every minute to operate my mill? (Note that output would require a Bessler wheel to produce exactly 1,000 watts of power, but those more modern power units did not exist in the early 18th century.) I'm looking for something to replace that old worn out, decades old, wooden waterwheel of mine because it's outdoors all the time and doesn't work that well in the winter when it can get clogged up with ice."
Bessler (scribbling some quick calculations in a notebook as he talks): "I'm glad you could come to Kassal, sir, and to answer your question. If you kept the pm wheel that you would have to construct yourself and at extra expense for you based on the design you'd have to first buy from me for a mere 100,000 thalers the same 12 feet in diameter as this two directional one here in Karl's castle and only used your wheel in one direction, then you would only need to put 3,840 pounds of lead into it for it to power your mill like your current waterwheel does. But, my invention would power your mill forever...day and night, rain or shine, and winter or summer...at least until it needed to be stopped so it could be periodically serviced."
Potential buyer (almost choking!): "Gulp...that's almost TWO TONS of lead!" (Note assume 2,000 lbs. per ton which could vary depending upon region.)
Bessler: "No problem, sir. I know a nearby plumbing supplier that can get you the lead at a discount price. Just mention my name...I'm a good customer of his."
Potential buyer (hastily looking at a solid gold pocket watch that he pulls from his waist coat pocket): "Well, I've got to get going now or I'll be late for a luncheon appointment with my new mistress. I'll let you know if I'm still interested in buying your wheel in the future...sometime...auf wiedersehen."
And another potential Bessler wheel buyer speedily disappears from Weissenstein Castle never to be seen again...
No offense intended, anon 00:03, and I'm not disputing your calculations, but your entertaining imaginary conversation between a buyer and Bessler reminds me a little of those "Dialogues at the Castle of Weissenstein" made by some kooky guru guy on a bizarre tripod website loaded with a lot of flashing lights and gifs. IIRC, he used some sort of psychic power he claimed to have to go back in time and produce his "dialogues" while yours seem a lot more believable to me although obviously intended to be humorous. However, it looks like that tripod website devoted to the guru's babblings has finally disappeared. Tripod probably wanted the owner, who appeared to be some sort of follower of the guru, to start paying for having his Bessler website hosted there and he didn't come across with the money. Bye, bye, guru guy! Lol!
DeleteThat weird tripod website is at: https://orffyre.tripod.com. The website is not available now, but it could only be temporary because tripod is down for some reason. Try again tomorrow.
DeleteAnon 00:03's "dialog" between B and a possible wheel buyer is supposed to be humorous, but I think it is also an excellent example of the typical interaction B must have had with any businessman interested in his pm wheels. Once they got past the "gee wiz factor" of a machine doing something impossible like being perpetual, they eventually realized it wasn't practical for their manufacturing or processing needs. And, they had no intention of investing the kind of money B demanded upfront for his secret design and then having to hope they could improve it enough to make it practical. It's too bad that Bessler could not have offered them premade wheels putting out thousands of watts, ready for installation, and at a price just a little more than that of a conventional new wind or watermill. He might have been good at compounding various medicines, but, imo, he was not a really good businessman otherwise.
Delete@Brad
DeleteI liked your "little something" contribution above which I do agree with. It's truly amazing how many times that "lucky ratio" of Bessler's (which is 0.777) shows up in his drawings. You've found another nice "hidden plain sight" type clue for us concerning it that we can finally only notice after a serious numerologist calls our attention to it. Thanks. Imo, as an SoS disciple trainee you are coming along just fine. Your new clue made me decide to take a longer look at that Bessler logo and I think that I've found another interesting clue in it. However, if I hadn't been reading my way through the Ken B book on Bessler's wheels (I'm still not finished with it!), it would have gone completely unnoticed by me.
Look at the two reeds that cross and then wrap their lengths around the sides of the logo. Where they cross they form an x which as you correctly noted is an obvious sign that we need to multiply numbers. But are there other numbers to multiply beside the 8 and 5 you got from the letters H and E that you used in the postscript to your comment? Yes, I found that there are. Notice that on the sides of both of the reeds facing toward the center of the logo that there are five leaves and on the outsides of the two reeds facing away from the logo's center there are only four leaves. If you multiply those numbers for EACH reed you get 5 x 4 = 20.
What can the reeds symbolize? They are bent and look like they could snap back to become straight if released so they could represent SPRINGS! Not only that, but those numbers we just got could represent spring constants. In his book, Ken claims he found clues that indicate EACH of the sixteen Y shaped levers inside the drum of the two direction Kassal wheel (which actually contained two narrower "back to back" one direction wheels with eight levers in each of those wheels) had TWO springs attached to it and EACH of those two springs had a spring constant, k, with a value of exactly 20 pounds per inch of stretch! So, to me it looks like those reeds curving around the logo could represent the two springs attached to each Kassal wheel's lever and the numbers we get by multiplying the numbers of leaves on each side of a reed are the spring constants for those springs.
I will continue to study that logo because I still think there could be more important construction details of Bessler's wheels, the Kassal wheel in particular, hidden in it. When (more like if!) I find anything new in it, I'll be back here to report it.
Disciple of SoS
Thanks, DoSoS! The approval of guys like you and also SoS means a lot to me. I'm just an amateur compared to you two, but that means I have to try harder to catch up. My finding of that lucky ratio clue in Bessler's logo is really trivial compared to what you two are regularly discovering and revealing here.
DeleteIt never occurred to me that the reeds could be symbols for springs, but it makes sense the way you explained it. I noticed the big x multiplication symbol they formed, but I never noticed the difference between the leaves on both sides of a reed like you did. That's why I'm still a trainee numerologist and have to look to you two to educate me in this fascinating subject. I just wish we had more Bessler drawings to work with. Well, maybe more will come along some day. Blogs ago someone mentioned there was another drawing of one of those big "drop caps" that Bessler did for one of his books that was supposed to have some hidden clues in it, but I have not been able to find it anywhere. Maybe someone here knows of it and can post a link?
I had been concentrating on those D.M.M.P.M letters above the x of the crossed reeds and, aside from them listing Bessler's various occupations as JC mentioned, I was convinced they could have some clues hidden in them. I was right and here's what I found:
If you just add the values of the two rightmost letters P and M, you get 16 + 13 = 29. As you mentioned that could refer to the mass of a single weight carrying lever in the Kassal wheel or 29 pounds.
If you add up the values of the four rightmost letters M, M, P, and M you get 13 + 13 + 16 + 13 = 55. This could be a reference to the fifty-five chapter "little book" or AP. Also, as SoS would do, you can immediately multiply the 5's to get 5 x 5 = 25 which refers to the 25th letter of the alphabet or that Y shaped lever SoS insists Bessler used in his wheels. I've seen enough clues for it from both you and him to convince me he's right.
Adding the sum of the values of all of the letters D, M, M, P, and M gives 4 + 13 + 13 + 16 + 13 = 59. This sum meant nothing to me at first. But, then when I added its individual numbers I got 5 + 9 = 14. At first this also meant nothing to me, but then it hit me. It's the length, in inches, of what you call the weight carrying "Main Arm" in the levers used in both the Merseburg and Kassal wheels!
Some anon in a previous blog comment linked to a nice drawing of a lever clue for those two 12 foot diameter wheels that he found hidden in the second DT portrait back on last January 2nd. Here's what he had for us that shows the Main Arm's length of 14 in. given by that 14 in. long horizontal ruler that the arm in the clue is drawn along:
https://postimg.cc/qtv3gHMw
That D at the beginning of Bessler's titles has a value of 4. If you multiply it times 14 inches, you get 4 x 14 in = 56 in. That number DID have meaning to me. It is the distance from the axle center to the lever pivots in a 12 foot diameter wheel which has a 6 foot radius. You get that special distance by multiplying the drum's radius, in inches, times Bessler's lucky ratio or 0.777. For the Merseburg and Kassal wheels, the radius was 6 ft = 72 in. so multiplying it by 0.777 gives us 72 in. x 0.777 = 56 in. But, can we get 72 in. from any of the letter values in Bessler's titles? It's not easy, but I noticed that once you get the 14, you can then write that as 7 x 2 and, once you get that, you just put its two numbers together to get 72!
I think that's about the limit of what I can squeeze out of D.M.M.P.M. I'm sure that SoS could come along and easily find even more in it than me. I am looking forward to his next appearance here and that "delayed Christmas gift" he promised for us a few months ago. I'm sure, as usual, it will amaze us all!
Brad
Amazing! It's like the sky is raining new clues around here with an occasional cloudburst. Let's hope they're accurate and will finally lead to the successful duplication of Bessler's wheels. I feel we are moving in that direction at last...it's a good feeling.
DeleteToo bad all of these hard found clues are destined to just become more pish for the internet drain when this blog, like those unpaid tripod account websites, finally gets flushed by Google. Fortunately, you will still be able to find past blogs here and their comments using that "Way Back Machine" on archive.org. However, that site is having financial problems nowadays and who knows if it will eventually get flushed too?! Even when you decide to archive material on your own computer, you are only a single blue screen away from losing it all! Put it on a thumb drive or micro memory card? They can fail too, get lost, or get discarded alone with the other mess in one's house. Store it in the "cloud"? That's just someone else's computer and we don't know how well their saved files will hold up into the future. Any day people using up a lot of cloud memory can get a price increase and, if they don't pay it, all of their files will eventually be discarded. The ancients, however, had a better solution. They carved their important information into solid granite! If Bessler had not hidden his secrets in multiple locations, we would most likely not know any of them ever existed.
Delete@Brad
DeleteYour analysis of the new numerology clues hidden in those logo title letters for Bessler is excellent. I have no doubt that when SoS arrives and reviews the past blog comments here he will be very impressed with it. To tell you the truth, I don't think he could do better...but I might be wrong about that. Keep up the good work!
Bessler was a true expert at making hidden in plain sight type clues. I think that if he had to prove his priority to his pm invention in case a later inventor showed up claiming the priority, Bessler wanted to have very subtle clues that, when he pointed them out to someone, that person would then immediately say "Omg...why didn't I notice that before?!" That's what he's had me doing regularly for months now!
Anyway, I'm back again to reveal yet another such clue I just found in Bessler's logo.
Look at those letters that stretch out on both sides of the central letter O. Notice how the leaves hanging down from the reeds above the letters are pointing to certain letters? I think that Bessler is telling us by them that we need to use the number values of ONLY those particular letters in some sort of numerological analysis. (Anyone recall the analysis I did in the last November 19th blog of Bessler's last drawing that appeared in that 1719 annual poem card he made for Karl in which the tips of leaves pointed to important spots in that drawing? Maybe Bessler got the idea to use the tips of leaves in that last drawing of his after first using them in his logo?)
To the left of the logo's central circle, the three leaves above the letters point to the letters H, T, and A (which is formed from the two F's). If you add their alphanumeric values you get 8 + 20 + 1 = 29. According to Ken B, the total weight of each Y lever inside of the Kassal wheel (which was the weight of its three 8 lb lead end weights or 24 pounds plus its 5 pound wooden lever) was exactly 29 pounds! Is it a coincidence that those three letters to the left of the central circle that Bessler's reed leaves point out to us in his logo happen to have a number value sum equal to that same total lever weight?
Next look at the letters that the three leaves above the logo's right side letters point to. They are an F, the letter R (but with the letter Y overlaid on it so that only a part of the Y connects the letter R to the nearest letter F), and the letter E which seems to be separated from the other two letters. Their alphanumeric values are 6, 18, and 5. If we add the F and R values we get 6 + 18 = 24 and that could again represent the weight of 24 pounds for the three 8 pound lead cylinder shaped weights that Ken B claims were attached to the end of each Kassal wheel lever. The lone right side end letter E with value 5 then represents the weight of an "empty" wooden Kassal wheel lever without its three end weights attached which was only 5 pounds. If we add the weight of the three lead weights, 24 pounds, to the weight of the empty wooden lever, 5 pounds, we again get a total lever weight of 29 pounds which is the same weight gotten for the total lever weight using the sum of the number values of the left side letters that the reed leaves there pointed to! Another coincidence? Here's a paint sketch I made to summarize these reed leaf clues:
https://i.postimg.cc/YqrMkvDh/reed-leaf-clues.jpg
I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this analysis with 100% certainty, but it just seems a little too improbable to me to just be a coincidence. Imo, it looks to me like Bessler was packing a lot of specific technical information about his Kassal wheel into his logo which, again, I must assume was intended to help him prove priority in case a later inventor came up with the same pm wheel design that used mechanisms identical to what Bessler's wheels used.
Disciple of SoS
Brad wrote: "If you multiply their values you get 8 x 5 = 40. ...I'm just guessing about this, but there is, imo, no mistaking that he wanted us to find that particular number 40 for some reason."
DeleteThat number 40 you found by multiplying the alphanumeric values of the H and E in Bessler's logo could also represent something else beside the years of his struggling to find a working pm design. According to Ken B, each of Bessler's one direction wheels used 40 ropes for its connectedness principle. Since Bessler's two way wheels contained two one way wheels placed side by side with each other, that means that the Kassal wheel would have had a total of 80 separate pieces of rope of various lengths inside of its drum! That's a lot of rope, but maybe not that crowded if they are spread throughout the inner volume of the drum which I calculate to be 169.646 cubic feet. Each rope then had about 2.2 cubic feet of internal drum volume available to it and the average volume of a rope would have only been a small fraction of that available volume. If a two way wheel's drum contained, as he claims, 16 levers, that also works out to 5 ropes per lever. There might be ways to reduce that number of ropes per lever, however.
DeleteBrad wrote: "Blogs ago someone mentioned there was another drawing of one of those big "drop caps" that Bessler did for one of his books that was supposed to have some hidden clues in it, but I have not been able to find it anywhere. Maybe someone here knows of it and can post a link?"
That drawing you want, Brad, appeared in a short tract Bessler published January 28th, 1718. It was titled "News of the Curious and Wonderful Trial of the Orffyrean Wheel at the Castle of Weissenstein". You can find that oversized drop cap drawing here:
https://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/91822%2F7#
SoS did a nice two part analysis of it in his May 20th, 2020 comment which you can find here:
https://johncollinsnews.blogspot.com/2020/05/johann-bessler-misunderstood-reviled.html
Interestingly, SoS said he considered it as important as the Toys Page and that it needed more study. Yet almost none of the self proclaimed Bessler clue "analysts" are even aware of it!
Note that the signature (top of blog) Circle with Orffyre to the right and Rath to the left has additionally a crown above and a reeds arrangement below. It has an identifiable symmetry but "not an exact symmetry". Then consider JEEB initials with Roman Numeral substitution giving XVVO => reformatting inside the O wheel gives ( symmetry ). Then the curious case off MT47 where we have the 47 below and another above rotated thru 180 degrees, "symmetry, but not an exact symmetry".
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Error loading .. XVVO substitution gives inside a circle ..
DeleteTry again .. gives (symmetry)
DeleteNope, not letting me so imagine inside a circle VXV ( one V above the X rotated 180 degrees and one V below as it is ( symmetry ) .. -f
DeleteI understand what you mean fletch, and I’m also grateful for the reminders about Roman substitution XVVO. Unfortunately i can’t replicate your design, but I can post it if I get a link or email with it.
DeleteHope you had a good Christmas downunder!
Best wishes
JC
A quiet but good xmas and NY thanks John ..
DeleteI managed to upload an old pic in my files to a hosting site - hopefully you can see it ..
Basically it is about a potential further and greater context - B. was christened with a first and last name giving the initials E.B. At about the time of his first public runner ( after success ) , the Gera wheel , he added 2 more first names initializing his full moniker to J.E.E.B. - he added the extra names Johann and Ernst before the original Elias Bessler he was christened with iirc - also he began going by the name Offyre ( see your blog logo , which fwiw letters beneath add to 55 ) which was sometimes Latinized to Orffyeus - the point is I suspect that right at the beginning after his initial success he was already thinking about provenance - and this in part lead to him to adding the extra names - he was also somewhat paranoid it seems so it is unlikely imo that he might for instance have new initials of E.J.E.B , ciphering to VXVO , as that might be a little too obvious at that early point - he possibly needed to be more obscure , so imo it is likely that the J.E.E.B. had to be further rearranged - and I suggest that rearrangement was from J.E.E.B to E.J.E.B or VXV inside an O for wheel .. and I speculate that the ensuing symmetry ( pattern ) points to a symmetrical arrangement of a critical mechanical part of his solution , or as I prefer , a critical " concept / principle " to be understood about his mechanical solution - and because his logo ( at the top of your blog ) does not have exact symmetry then this could support my theory that the " mechanical arrangement " in question at times has symmetry as it circulates with the wheel from inside and when required to do Work does not have the exact resting symmetry to which it will return in due course ready to activate again when it is required - iow's the mechanical arrangement it represents , imo , morphs in and out of an exact symmetry of parts , geometry , and forces , as it circulates and is required to do Work ..
https://i.postimg.cc/66R2thCc/JEEB1.gif
To each there own thoughts eh ! -f
my bad - Orffyreus or Orffyré .. -f
Deleteno offense intended...but i haven't the faintest idea of what you are talking about here!
Deletehe thinks JEEB could be a code for a mechanical device.
DeleteThanks fletch, I agree, but as you will see soon, I got a slightly different interpretation. Basically I questioned why he included the letter J when he already had two Es making two 5s, when J = 10, or two 5s. But J is the tenth letter, but also 23rd and W in Caesar shifts and also represents two Roman Numerals 5s and/two Vs. I think you are close to the same pattern as me, but there is an additional feature, without which I don’t think it will run. But maybe mine won’t run either, but do believe I have an understanding of how and why it worked.
DeleteIn response to the previous comment, Bessler embedded numerous codes and clues throughout his publications, and some have been solved. For some examples of deciphered codes visit my website at www.theorffyreuscodes.com
JC
To me it is obvious what Bessler meant by having the initials "JEEB" and you don't have to turn them into Roman numerals either. You just need to multiply the inner E values to get 5 x 5 = 25. We then use the SoS interpretation of that to mean it stands for the 25th letter of the alphabet which is Y and that is the critical shape of the levers he used in his wheels. What about the front J and the back B? Simple. Just subtract the value of the back letter from the value of the front letter to get 10 - 2 = 8. That tells us that his one direction wheels used eight Y shaped levers. It couldn't be any easier to understand, imo. You can also multiply the front two letter values and then the back to letter values and then subtract those products from each other. Doing that gives us, first, 10 x 5 = 50 and then, second, 5 x 2 = 10. Subtract them to get 50 - 10 = 40.
DeleteSomeone above mentioned that the number 40 is used a lot in the Bible and stands for a long time of struggle followed by success. That number then represents Bessler's years of struggle to find a working pm design which eventually was successful. He was born with just the name Elias Bessler or EB and then added the Johann Ernst or JE later. Why? Maybe he picked the J name of John because, in the New Testament, we read that John was the apostle who was loved by Jesus indicating they had a very close relationship. Bessler picking that name indicates his desire to be as close to God / Jesus as possible and also to honor them for helping him solve the problem of achieving pm. The next E name Ernst is derived from the German word "ernust," and means "serious," "earnest," or "battle to the death" and tells us how devoted Bessler was to religion and to finding a working pm wheel design.
Aside from numerology, many forget that Bessler was fanatically religious...so much so that he wanted to start his own "Orffyrean Church"!
John,
DeleteRespectfully, it seems that you have always been hyper focused on finding "hidden" clues and less concerned about addressing the more definitive statements Bessler made.
Besslers written words, and oral statements recorded by others, were part of his effort to secure his claim of inventing it first (should anyone else achieve it, he could point to his statements and say "see, that's what I was talking about!"). That being said, Bessler's DEFINITIVE statements (not the more ambiguous and 'poetic' fluff stuff) MUST be a priority. I hope your current design, sure to include 5 mechanisms, doesn't discard/dismiss ANY of the definitive clues.
For example:
-"If I arrange to have just one cross-bar in my machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars, pulleys and weights, the machine can revolve much faster." Five "mechanisms" MAY INDEED be optimal (for whatever reason), but they are each a duplicate arrangement of the underlying single mechanism principal. right?
-"On one side it is heavy and full; on the other side empty and light, just as it should be". A statement like this is VERY definitive. Bessler is "boxing himself in" with a statement like this. If he were ever to claim another person's design was his, it better meet this criteria somehow.
-"I don't want to go into the details here of how suddenly the weight is caused to rise." All weights are traveling at LEAST as fast as the wheel is spinning. It seems that at least one weight must be traveling MUCH faster than that (if not, why make this statement?).
There are others, but the last one I want to ask your opinion about is MT 15. Bessler concedes it does not work as presented but says it should not be disregarded. How/why would he say this unless SOMEHOW it DID point to his final working model. Again, a statement like this would work AGAINST him when trying to claim first discovery.
Congrats on the anniversary, the upcoming birthday, and your impressive work here.
Thanks John.
I;m not John. Unfortunately, what you consider to be "definitive statements" are only translations of early 18th century regional German into modern English and are still subject to some debate as to their true meaning. Some here have concluded that MT13 was the last wheel design that Bessler was experimenting with and he found a way to make it work. In the note for it, he wrote: "...This invention would be very good for running if not so much friction were present or
Deletesomeone was available up by D to always lift up the weight with lightning speed." He apparently found a way to lift it's ascending side weights up "with lightning speed" using springs and his "connectedness principle" which involved ropes interconnecting the levers in a special way. Figure out how he did it and you will "solve the wheel"!
@anon 21:31, I think B actually built MT 13 and after it was finished and didn't run he found out the only way to make it run was to manually lift up the levers as their added arms hit that little wheel attached to the big pendulum on the axle. Like most dead duck wheels we see it needed some extra energy to make it work. But where could that extra energy come from if someone's hand was not available? If we cannot answer that simple question then how on earth are we ever going to make a design like MT 13 or any other kind work?
Delete@ Anon 17:51 said .. " There are others, but the last one I want to ask your opinion about is MT 15. Bessler concedes it does not work as presented but SAYS it should not be disregarded. How/why would he say this unless SOMEHOW it DID point to his final working model. Again, a statement like this would work AGAINST him when trying to claim first discovery. "
DeleteNot John , but fwiw , in MT15 Bessler uses 3 types of overbalancing systems ( tripling-down ) , and SAYS " the figure shows the overbalance " . They all need to be lifted up fast , at the appropriate place and time , to create the overbalance drive required to become a self-moving wheel . Just like MT13 . He actually SAYS ( re. MT15 ) that " nothing of the prime mover's source can be seen or deduced " .
In MT 38 he SAYS " the correct application of the Stork's Bills is not shown " , and in MT41 ( 2 translation comparisons ) that " there is something special behind the stork's bills " or " there is more to the stork's bills than is shown " . Many may infer that SB's have a special place in a runner ( also feature in the Toy's Page ) , but not many will agree on the scope of , and usage / purpose of , the special SB mechanics application in a runner ..
"...there is something special behind the stork's bills" and "...there is more to the stork's bills than is shown "
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That prairie dog's reaction proves it! Yes, scissor jack type mechanisms are the secret of B's wheels and I've suspected it for years. Prairie dogs should know because they actually use various types of them to construct their underground burrow systems and are experts when it comes to their uses. Here's an actual video clip showing a prairie dog using one!
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Anon 17:51 said .. " Again, a statement like this would work AGAINST him when trying to claim first discovery. "
DeleteMT was not published , It was Bessler's personal secret possession !
Awww....he's so cute. I turned your mp4 on that free video hosting site (which is deleted in 48 hrs) into this gif file that should always be hosted on postimge.com. No music though...
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Its not late to start the Orffyrean religion, and also it some countries it will be tax free and the quickest way to make a million, so good idea. So the wheel is sacred and holy !
ReplyDeleteYes! Yes! YES! Bessler is OUR Messiah and his wheel is the miracle from God, his and our most holy and high father, who proves his messiahship! All hail Bessler! All hail the wheel! We are all actually priests in the new Orffyrean Church of God and, therefore, we must never ever pay any federal, state, or local taxes again! Also we want free food, rent, and fuel for our cars forever. All hail Bessler! All hail the wheel! We must now spread the Good News of our new religion to the entire world...
Delete"Also we want free food, rent, and fuel for our cars forever." You forgot to add free healthcare, utilities, and home and car repairs forever too. Also, to compensate for inflation, triple any tax free state or national pensions we receive. As priests of this new religion our coming to this blog at least once a week can be considered to be our "service" where we praise God, Bessler, and the Wheel. All hail Bessler...all hail the Wheel! Freedom of religion forever!
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