I used the picture below a few years ago to share some of Bessler’s ways of hiding information in plain sight.
The labels on the left side converted alphanumerically total 190
Those on the right similarly treated, total 170. Addend together they total 360.
So with a total of 360, we then count the number of letters used, they run from ‘a’ through to ‘t’ and ‘t’ is the 20th letter. As was done with all the drawings in DT, 360 divided by 20 gives us 18 again, the angle at the base of every single one in the pentagram.
But in place of the lettter ‘j’, Bessler places the number 10, which confusingly could be read as the letter ‘w’ - red-ringed in the above picture. This must have been deliberate as ‘w’ is the RoT 13 version of the letter ‘j’, and ‘j’, of course is the alphanumeric version of the number 10. So ‘j’, ‘w’ and ‘10’ are interchangeable. ‘W’ is used by Bessler to indicate two letter ‘v’s and show them as linked together.
All this is supported by the frequent pointer to the importance of the number five and the geometric figure, the pentagram.
The reason for the pentagram is to tell us to use five mechanisms - or seven or nine. It also allowed him to embed the pentagram in his drawings which was demonstrated by his inclusion of Euclid’s instruction on how to draw that figure. It is also a convenient way to contain the important parts of the drawing, leading us to extract the important information. I believe Bessler included two versions of his perpetual motion machine hidden in plain sight within that drawing and it is down to us to find the right configuration, the one that will work.
This is all old stuff but I’ve published it again because either my visitors are new to the blog and unaware of all that’s gone before - or, frustratingly, all my efforts to lead people to the right answers is ignored, overlooked or dismissed as my obsessive, paranoid personality.
Anyway I’ll continue to publish what I know and hope that one day someone will prove me right.
JC
oh i think i understand now. whenever your calculations give an 18 that proves bessler used a pentagon of levers. otoh whenever those other psychic guys do calculations that give a 25 it proves bessler used y shaped levers in his wheels. maybe he used five y shaped levers? i think there's another obvious reason for using the 10 instead of a j in that dt drawing of the kassal wheel turning the water screw. maybe he did it because he also had used 10 in the other drawing showing the wheel where it swings the big pendulum? he wanted the metal support pieces on the top and bottom of the vertical supports to have the same number 10 in both drawings so as to prevent confusion. just a guess.
ReplyDeleteNote the bucket attached by a rope to the 8 in diameter axle? It was probably used to demonstrate the maximum startup torque of the Kassal wheel. If the bucket was made of 1 in thick wood pieces, 12 in high x an average diameter of 10 in, and filled half way with water before it stopped the wheel from turning, that would mean, if my calculations are accurate, the Kassal wheel's startup torque was only about 6.7 foot-pounds. That's not much torque at all and the idea that such a massive wheel (maybe around 1,000 lbs) could reach a speed of 26 rpm's in only two turns is impossible, imo. it would take minutes at least.
ReplyDeleteFurther cogitations .. Using Rot 13 J > W . W can be interpreted by some as 2 V's VV , or EE , or RR using Rot 13 again . And we know the Bessler logo has back to back R's as part of his name and Rath on the ' reversed ' lettering side . We also know that the toy's page has ONE " mechanical " item labelled E which is a Storks Bill ( SB ) , with immediately adjacent 2 hammer-men pantograph ( or pantagraph ) toys , one above the other . Pantographs are often illustratively stylized as bent-arm A's which is a many and reoccurring theme in many of B's. MT illustrations alongside quite ordinary A's . Additionally J is the 10th letter of the alphabet . As per his penchant for substituting Roman Numerals into his various writings then J could also just as authentically represent the Roman Numeral X , being Roman for number 10 , and Latin being then and now the international language of science . X stylistically comprises 2 V's , one above the other also ' reversing ' or horizontally mirrored at the intersection of the X . We also know the importance of the SB because he tells us in MT that there is something special behind the SB i.e. imo the expanding functionality of the " mechanical arrangement " of the SB is what is " special " . Because he was well aware that pulleys and ropes ( block and tackle etc ) could achieve the same mechanical advantage results of a mechanical linkage SB , as he drew ropes and pulleys many times in other illustrations in MT . But he felt the need possibly for posterity and future MT readers to single out ' mechanical ' SB's for a direct and not so subtle " heads up " . Then factor in that Wolff heard an expanding iron spring like sound as B. reinstated the weights after translocation , and that Wolff said that other circumstantial evidence suggested to him moveable or expandable arms were present . And a mechanical Prime Mover that physically redirects forces and Mechanical Advantage into asymmetric torque conditions perhaps can begin to be imagined as a re-loading tangible and practical physical implement or ' tool ' that influences weights internal positions into OOB torque -f
Delete@anon 17:36....That's really small torque considering even a small waterwheel can produce hundreds of foot pounds of torque. And we have to keep in mind that was the Kassal wheel's starting torque. As the wheel speed increased and the cf began to interfere with the shifting of its internal weights, the torque dropped down even more. Next to the high price Bessler wanted for his invention, his wheels' low torques were the second reason he couldn't find a buyer. The businessmen whose engineers tested Bessler wheels did not see the invention as being a practical source of energy for a small factory.
DeleteThank you, f, for your concise and sensible comments.
DeleteI think the important feature of the SB is the fact that it works best horizontally, and can, with a minor change in attitude, compress or expand. The angle change can occur with a small amount of rotation. Bessler remarked on the SB’s sideways action as being similar to a crab’s way of moving sideways because it designed to do so.
JC
When JC wrote "Bessler remarked on the SB’s sideways action as being similar to a crab’s way of moving sideways because it designed to do so", I think that JC misinterpreted or misremembered what Bessler actually wrote.
DeleteThat reference to a crab moving sideways appears in a verse from the AP "little book" poem which appears AFTER the following stanza in that poem:
"A wheel appears - is it really a wheel, for it does not have a normal rim.
It revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside,
and without weights, wind, or springs.
Seen sideways or full face it is as glorious as a peacock's tail.
It turns to the right and to the left.
It spins around in any direction whether laden or empty."
Then in the NEXT stanza we find the verse:
"A crab crawls from side to side; It is sound for it is designed thus."
Thus, the reference to a crab's motion was not meant to apply to an SB or "stork's bill" or scissor type mechanism expanding or contracting horizontally. It refers to the ability of one of Bessler's larger WHEELS to ROTATE in either direction when given an initial push in that direction.
JC's AP Chapter XLVI
Deletethe scene of a bi-directional wheel that is not powered by any external energy source , or stored energy
A wheel appears on the scene - is it really a wheel, for it does not have the normal type of rim. It revolves, but without other wheels inside or outside, and without weights, wind, or springs. Seen sideways or full-face it is as resplendent as a peacock's tail. It turns to the right and to the left; it spins around in any possible direction, whether laden or empty.
the context describing cause and effect
All things belong to one of the three kingdoms (animal, vegetable, matter) and - you have the physical evidence in front of you. Without such things as sulphur, salt and mercury all things will soon come to a standstill - the qualities of the elements are necessary to keep things going. Saturn, Mars and Jupiter are ready to join in any battle. Even the things we eat do not lose their elemental influence - for it spreads itself through every limb and sinew of our bodies. A crab crawls from side to side. It is sound, for it is designed thus. Poltergeists often wander freely through locked doors.
I understand your point anon 08:56, but the SB does undoubted work best horizontally and it does expand and contract under its own applied weight. I think this was Bessler’s point.
DeleteI’ve never understood the reference to Poltergeists. But a definition might throw some light on what Bessler meant.
Wikipedia meaning -“ poltergeist is a "noisy ghost" or disruptive spirit from German folklore, known for causing physical disturbances like moving objects, loud knocks, and breaking items. Unlike typical ghosts, they rarely appear visually but are known for malicious, kinetic actions often attached to a specific person or household.”
Perhaps Bessler is saying you can hear the sounds of something happening in the wheel, but you can’t see what it is because you’re outside the wheel - you’re, in effect, locked out.
JC
While most true crabs, like fiddler and ghost crabs, typically exhibit lateral movement, some crabs, such as hermit and king crabs, can also move forward and backward as well as sideways. They mostly move sideways because that allows them to move faster if under attack. Also, crabs are decapods meaning they have ten legs, but these are divided into four pairs of walking legs and one pair of pinchers or opposable claws that are not for walking but for manipulating prey that they consume. They also have tails, but these have atrophied to just becoming a small flap tucked under the back of their shell. That evolution probably happened because the ones who had any length of exposed tail could get more easily caught by them and eaten which then eventually eliminated the genes for the formation of the tail from their species.
DeleteI think in Bessler's mind the four pairs of walking legs symbolized the eight levers inside of one of his wheels. I agree that the little book verse about a crab crawling from side to side probably symbolizes the bidirectional motion of Bessler's largest wheels. The two pinchers might have symbolized that each of his large bidirectional wheels contained two one way wheels? Also, when I look at a crab's pincher it reminds me of the letter Y! Coincidence? Hmm...🦀
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Anon 18:56 wrote:
Delete"Thus, the reference to a crab's motion was not meant to apply to an SB or "stork's bill" or scissor type mechanism expanding or contracting horizontally. It refers to the ability of one of Bessler's larger WHEELS to ROTATE in either direction when given an initial push in that direction."
I agree with the first sentence but not the second. A crab doesn't spin (like a wheel) to get from point A to point B. It walks on its legs. The original AP German verses pertaining to the crab:
Ein Krebs vorwerts und rücklings kriecht
Und ist gesund (wohl zugericht.)
Google translate:
A crab crawls forward and backward alike,
And remains healthy (if prepared aright).
This suggests to me that the internal mechanism of a Bessler wheel is shifting perhaps in an up and down motion and probably at least once per rotation.
Anon 10:14 wrote:
"It turns to the right and to the left; it spins around in any possible direction, whether laden or empty."
The original German verses and Google translate:
Ein Ding besteh aus den drei Reichen;
Ihr habet hand-greiffliche Zeichen,
It spreads lengthwise and crosswise,
Here it is full, there it is empty;
If we are to take Google as the correct translation, then my feeling is that some mechanism spans UNINTERRUPTED from one side of the wheel to the opposite side and multiple mechanisms are likely arranged orthogonally ("spreads lengthwise and crosswise")
Translations can vary as will the interpretations of them. Fawk, that sideways moving crab symbol could have nothing to do with his pm wheels' inner mechanisms. Bessler could have been using the symbol of a crab to refer to the astrological symbol of Cancer the crab which is associated with the months of June 22 to July 22. I think it might be referring to his publicly demonstrated wheel in Gera, Saxony. It was first exhibited on June 6th, 1712, but it could have also been regularly exhibited during the entire zodiacal month of Cancer. Keep in mind that, aside from religion and numerology, Bessler was also into astrology. I think the moving side to side part could refer to that Gera wheel. It could have been mounted on some sort of mobile frame that had small wheels on it. Those wheels would have been aligned so that the frame could only move from side to side along the direction of the pm wheel's axle so as to prevent the frame from moving around as the wheel spun at high speed.
DeleteChatGP translation of AP verse ..
DeleteEin Krebs vorwerts und rücklings kriecht
Und ist gesund (wohl zugericht.)
Die Polter-Geister frei spaziren
Zum öftern durch verschloss’ne Thüren; x
Here is a faithful modern English translation of the stanza from Bessler’s Apologia Poetica:
A crab crawls forward and backward,
And is healthy (well-formed / properly made).
The noisy spirits roam freely,
Often passing through locked doors.
Notes on wording:
Krebs = crab or crayfish (commonly “crab” symbolically).
vorwerts und rücklings = forwards and backwards.
ZUGERICHT = MADE READY, ARRANGED, FASHIONED, IN GOOD ORDER, SOUND
Polter-Geister = poltergeists / noisy spirits / troublesome ghosts.
verschloss’ne Thüren = locked or closed doors.
@ Anon 16:52 ..
DeleteAnon 10:14 wrote: "It turns to the right and to the left; it spins around in any possible direction, whether laden or empty."
" The original German verses and Google translate:
Ein Ding besteh aus den drei Reichen;
Ihr habet hand-greiffliche Zeichen,
It spreads lengthwise and crosswise,
Here it is full, there it is empty; "
ChatGP ..
Es breitet sich die Läng’ und Quer’,
Hier ist es voll, dort ist es leer’;
It spreads itself lengthwise and crosswise,
Here it is full, there it is empty.
hi John , some further thoughts for the day which ties in with some of what is said in the comments .. fwiw , you have commented many times about the seeming lackluster support in general , or enthusiasm , for your hypothesis for 5 mechs in a Bessler runner . a " working theory " you arrived at predominantly from your focus on the pentagram and its angles etc that you managed to whittle and winnow from various Bessler sources over the years . in recent times you have expanded it to mean odd numbers of mechs , of 5 , and possibly 7, and 9 . I think it is fair to say that the idea of 5 mechs etc has met with a fair bit of resistance by and large . I will explain why that is generally so . because we who have made many simulations , and those who have scores of builds under their belts ( or both ) see no net torque or geometry advantage for odd number of mechs over an even number of mechs . i.e. in one revolution the positive torque is equaled by the negative torque contribution , and with ordinary system energy losses to frictions etc taken into account the machine finds and stops at its position of lowest Potential Energy ( lowest COM / COG i.e the PQ or force balanced position ) . however , I want to give you some encouragement and support for the theory of at least an odd number of mechs in a Bessler runner . based on my observation of what's always been in front of us . that being the AP " do you still not understand " engraving of 3 roughly 90 degree white segments separated by 3 roughly 30 degree black segments in sequence ( the degrees are relatively unimportant and why they are not drawn exactly or consistently ) . that being 3 of each , alternating in colour and pie-wedge shape . the reason I say this is precisely because of the odd number 3 split which strongly suggests to me that the number of mechs for a Bessler runner is a minimum of 3 Prime Mover mechs . which can be increased to any practical number providing there is enough internal space to efficiently activate and reset properly etc . this means an even or odd number of mechs above a minimum of 3 is acceptable . so this could mean both 5 mechs or 8 mechs , where mechs are doubled up but reversed on the same radial for even number total mechs but this requires more wheel depth . the point being that the mech uses most of the radial it occupies across the wheel diameter and why he drew a minimum of an odd number to indicate that internal room and space to expand and contract was required . the mechs driving / firing thru the white phases ( 3 Prime Mover mechs ) and the wheel thereafter coasting thru the black phasing . the Prime Mover mechs resetting once per 360 ( your Kassell engraving number total ) degree revolution before they are once again employed to reposition internal OOB weights into overbalancing torque . in short , a minimum of 3 Prime Movers firing and expanding , then contracting and reloading , once per wheel revolution . therefore odds and evens isn't imo the question from a physics or classical geometry basis in the strict sense ( tho room / geography is required ) , but why he chose to show in the AP drawing the odd number of white and odd number of black segments and shapes he did .. best -f
DeleteNot sure of your explanation, 18:34. Bessler prefaced the AP verses with the following:
Delete"Who indeed is keen to question, question this booklet. My deeds will not be revealed before time, yet who wants to guess, contemplate, which word-pageantry I now mix/blend into one another" (Stewart translation)
I think he is referencing his wheel's internal mechanics. You hypothesized that the crab-like movements are a product of a mobile frame onto which the rotating Gera was mounted. (A frame/external wheel without 8 appendages doesn't exactly look like a crab imo.) Such movements would be apparent to the eyewitnesses closely observing the wheel. However Bessler said to Guess/to Contemplate the AP Poem language WHILE the secret remains kept, as I understand it. This implies he is asking the reader to ponder what of the *unseen* kinetics/mechanics inside the wheel, and not what is seen on the outside.
Then there is this one line in the AP (original German and Google translate):
Es läuff zur Rechten und zur Linken
It runs to the right and to the left
For a while I thought he was alluding to the bidirectional wheels. It is a fact that they turn either way so there's no guessing there. Again Bessler did say in the AP preface to Guess/to Contemplate. So I think the line cannot be about what is obvious and seen. It is about perhaps an internal mechanism that switches (oscillates/swivels?) left and right as the wheel spins.
@ anon 00:14
ChatGP translations are practically the same as Google regarding the crab and the "spread". My sense is this is what Bessler meant and it is the literal translation of the AP verses that will help toward uncovering the solution. With all due respect I have always felt that the Collins version can be a bit off at times.
-- anon 16:52
When Bessler mentions "prime mover" it can be a separate mech attached to a nonrunner (such as a dead duck design like John's recent BWA 1.0) to make it run, but that is not what he usually means by the term. The "prime mover" Bessler is usually talking about is his pm wheel ITSELF. IOW, "prime mover" is, for Bessler, a synonym for his pm wheel invention. It is the entire wheel itself...which could also be attached to anAy nonrunner (like all of those in MT) to make it run.
DeleteThe big problem with "Odd Mech Count Wheels" like the one that John keeps pushing is that they are all potentially bottom heavy meaning they will always have some orientation that puts the mass of an extra mech into the bottom half that is not in the top half. That then requires extra torque be created to overcome and keep the wheel running whenever it is turning through its bottom heavy orientations of rotation. OTOH, "Even Mech Count Wheels" always have the same number of mechs and their masses on both sides of the wheel whether its the top and bottom or right and left sides. That allows the designer to then just concentrate of creating and maintaining a small overbalance on one of the lateral sides of his wheel relative to the other side.
So how did Bessler do it? So far the only design I've seen that even looks like it's a step in the right direction is that Ken B wheel. When stationary the center of mass of all of its eight weights is just slightly located onto the descending side which unfortunately means it will have low torque. Most importantly, that center stays there when the wheel is turning. In his design all of the levers are connected to each other with cords so that six out of eight of them are always in motion swinging around their pivots attached to a drum's framework during any 45 degrees of rotation. It is a very delicately balanced arrangement that relies on using stretched springs to lift ascending side weights and pull down descending side weights. Even if Ken B has not found "it", I'm convinced that whatever "it" is, it will look something very much like his design. It will have an even number of weighed levers, they will be connected together in such a way that most are in motion as the wheel rotates so their center of mass automatically stays put at its location on the descending side (that action requires NO outside energy input because that center is never actually vertically rising...it just keeps sliding horizontally toward the wheel's descending side during wheel rotation!), and stretched springs will be critical to the the wheel working. A successful design will also use no gears or pulleys and have nothing passing through or somehow hanging on the axle (like in that fake Wagner pm wheel). IOW, if a design has no connectedness principle cords and stretched springs (and most importantly a horizontally sliding center of mass during rotation), then it cannot work and anyone chasing a design that lacks these things is just be wasting his time and effort.
How many such designs do we see on other sites like bwf that use these things? Actually none as far as I can tell which is why all we read reported on them is one failed attempt after another mixed in with a lot of frustrating remarks. That sad situation will continue until they finally realize how off course their attempts really are. It took Bessler a decade to realize how far off course he was and even so he had to have a miracle from God to finally get him on the right path. You don't believe in God like Bessler did? That okay...HE, SHE, or IT still believes in you! ⛪🕌🕍⛩️🕋📿
Hmm...most interesting concept you mention there anon 02:46...a pm wheel's weights' center of mass (or gravity) that AUTOMATICALLY keeps sliding horizontally away from a wheel;'s ascending side as the wheel rotates so it always stays on the wheel's descending side. Never heard of that concept before. My immediate knee jerk reaction is that it has to be physically impossible. Yet, otoh, if the com(or g) remains fixed in space relative to the center of the earth, then it must be possible! No change in elevation of the com(or g) relative to the center of the earth means that center's motion can take no energy from the wheel itself as it continuously moves relative to a rotating wheel. To work the best that com(or g) would have to be located below the center of the axle and the lower the better. I think I'm going to have to give this a lot more thought...thx for putting a really buzzy bee in my bonnet! 🐝➡️👒
Delete@anon 05:01
DeleteThe center of gravity of the weights in an overbalanced pm wheel, assuming what you said is correct, must also be rising vertically as well as "sliding" horizontally relative to the center of the turning wheel if the center of gravity of the weights is to keep the same distance from the center of our planet. That center of gravity is like someone walking up a "down" escalator as its steps keep moving downward. That person's body stays at the same height above the lower floor, but he must expend energy constantly to keep climbing up step by step on the escalator. That means that the weights in a turning overbalanced pm wheel must also be obtaining energy constantly to keep them rising relative to the center of the wheel. Where does that energy come from???
IMO the AP poem was about everything/everyone just doing what is natural to it's/their nature , to point out "the wheel's function is according to nature and that's why it worked."
Delete"Where does that energy come from???"
DeleteThat's easy...it comes from wherever YOU think it comes from! It could be from JC's gravity wind, KB's mass energy, f's prime mover (whatever that is!), JB's poltergeists, or right out of nowhere because we all know that the first law of thermodynamics is a delusion that was cooked up in the 19th century by a few "scientists" who were frustrated because they could neither duplicate B's invention nor figure out how it was hoaxed. My theory is that the universe is actually loaded with energy and B's wheels acted like sponges that could soak it up and use it to rotate themselves. There! Prove me wrong IF you can!
"That's easy...it comes from wherever YOU think it comes from! It could be from JC's gravity wind, KB's mass energy, f's prime mover (whatever that is!), JB's poltergeists"
DeleteI have no poltergeists :) , in act like i said i believe the poem is just stating "everything acts in accordance to its nature" .
@anon 15:20
DeleteAnd how do you know that poltergeists are not part of nature? There's a theory that poltergeists are created by telekinetic forces being unconsciously produced by humans living in an affected dwelling. I'm tempted to say that is how Bessler made his pm wheels work except s'Gravesande was able to get the Kassal wheel running even though Bessler was not present and that, of course, is why Bessler destroyed the wheel when he found out about that.
Where would one find some of these poltergeists , are they for hire or such ?
DeleteYou cannot "hire" them, anon 17:48. Poltergeists appear at random. If they are produced as anon 16:30 suggests by some biological process taking place in certain genetically predisposed individuals, their effects may only manifest under certain still poorly known conditions. One can think of them as analogous to some health problem a person occasionally experiences like a flu or migraine headache. Someday we will understand the effect better and maybe even be able to duplicate it artificially. Meanwhile, we need to keep our focus on Bessler's wheels. Talking about numbers and crabs and poltergeists can be entertaining, but unless it leads to a runner, it's just a lot of wasted words to be added to the trillions already clogging the solid state drives that support the world wide web.
DeleteAs I stared at that DT drawing of the Kassal wheel powering the water pumping machine, once again I felt myself drawn to a certain part of the drawing. My "emerging psychic power"? Could be, but I think it is yet another cleverly hidden in plain sight type clue from Bessler for us to stumble upon. Look at those four forks that form a sort of pulley on the axle that the rope to the water screw's square pulley is wrapped around. They are all Y shaped! Now look at the three letters to the right of the axle. They are c, b, and c and their alphanumeric values are 3, 2, and 3 which sum to 8. This, imo, indicates that each of Bessler's one way wheel's used 8 Y shaped levers inside of it. On the other side of the axle there is a lone letter b which is 2 meaning we have to multiply the four Y shaped forks on the axle by 2 to get a total of 8 Y shaped levers used in each of Bessler one way wheels. Here a quick paint drawing I made to show what I'm talking about:
ReplyDeletehttps://i.postimg.cc/xTKLkm9Z/another-lever-shape-clue.jpg
Also notice that the Y shaped levers are all connected together by rope. That's another symbol for Bessler's "Connectedness Principle"!!!
Brad
Interesting, Brad. The additions and multiplications you did could be indicated by the patterns formed by the four forks and those other four short pieces behind them on the axle that alternately work the two arms that lift and drop those two heavy wooden stamps. The forks form a large + or plus sign meaning an addition has to be done while those four short pieces behind the forks form a large x meaning a multiplication has to be done. I agree that the rope going over the Y shaped forks could be a symbol for Bessler's connectedness principle. I noticed also that we see two letter b's and two letter c's near the axle. If we add their number values together separately we can get 2 + 3 = 5 and, again, 2 + 3 = 5. Then multiply the 5's to get 5 x 5 = 25. If we can believe SoS (and I do), whenever that number 25 appears it stands for the 25th letter of the alphabet which is Y and Bessler used that letter as a symbol for the shape of his levers in his wheels which were all Y shaped. Anyway, thanks for bringing this to our attention.
DeleteI've always noticed that odd square pulley on the water screw and also made using the forks on the wheel's axle and wondered why he used them. I finally realized he must have needed to use them because the drive rope from the axle to the water screw would have quickly got soaked with water from the vat as the axle ran the water screw and the rope kept going under water if the water level in the vat was high enough as it looks like in his drawing. A wet rope could easily start slipping if he'd used the usual round pulleys. The square pulleys helped prevent rope slippage. I've never seen such square pulleys used on any other machine so maybe Bessler is the original inventor of them?
DeleteIt must have been a real pain for Bessler to make that Archimedes' screw from pieces of wood and then treated in some way so that it did not leak when it was carrying up water from the tank. I'm surprised he did not use something simpler like maybe a belt with little scoops on it. The belt would be stretched tight between an upper and lower pulley. The bottom pulley could be under the water in the tank and its scoops would be filled with water as they went under that pulley and were carried upward again by the moving belt. The top pulley would dump the water out of the scoops as each one of them went up and over that top pulley. Eventually, the water dumped out of the scoops by the top pulley would flow back down into the tank again. But, then there's the problem of how to drive that simpler water pump's belt by connecting it to the Kassal wheel's axle.
DeleteHmm...now that I think about it, maybe Bessler's design was the best way to do it.
I have been thinking about something ,what's more important : solving the mystery, or being the one who was right about it? If a 100% confirmable solution dropped today and it proved your theory wrong , would you celebrate the discovery or try to find flaws in the proof ? And what happens to those so convinced about their own theory that they have build castles upon it ?
ReplyDeleteI managed to use that Futurocam device to look ahead in time to the exact moment that JC realizes that it is 100% PROVEN that his pentagonal wheel design is NOT what Bessler actually used in his pm wheels. WARNING: this clip contains content that might be disturbing to anyone viewing it who suffers from emotional problems. If you do have such problems, then please DO NOT click the link below. You have been warned!
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Poor John...he's trying to keep a stiff upper lip, but the trauma of finally realizing he did not have "it" was just too much for him to handle. Meanwhile, I'm adding shares of the company that makes Kleenex facial tissues to my stock portfolio... 😭=💴💵💶💷
DeleteJC wrote "So ‘j’, ‘w’ and ‘10’ are interchangeable."
ReplyDeleteOnly JC has the amazing ability to turn J's into W's into double V's and finally into pentagons!
If you doubt that he can get pentagons out of all of that, he will further educate you that, since the values of all of the letters and numbers in those two DT drawings equals 360 and the last letter used was a T with a value of 20, you can then divide 360 by 20 to get 18 which, since pentagons happen to contain angles that are all multiples of 18 degrees, PROVES beyond any doubt that Bessler used a pentagon design of five levers inside of his wheels!
Why or why were we all too dimwitted to have realized this all along? Thank you JC for finally opening our eyes to it all... 😮
Very amusing, but I’m only sharing information I find that I think might be useful by someone who is trying to find Bessler’s solution.
DeleteBessler placed all these indicators for a reason and he took a large amount of time and effort to keep his secret out of the hands of his enemies - but also he wanted to be recognised as the discoverer of the very secret he sought to hide until either he found a buyer, or failing that, he accepted post humous recognition.
John, I think you have to admit that your "justification" of your pentagonal configuration approach certainly sounds a bit convoluted to say the least. That plus the recent sim failure of your Bessler workaround wheel (aka "BWA 1.0") is enough to make anyone, other than your most ardent sycophants, reject your approach. I agree that, IF the clues and codes you have found are genuine, then they certainly would have required considerable effort by Bessler to make and incorporate into his writings and drawings. BUT, their presence may only be due to his total obsession with geometry and numerology and really have nothing to do with the actual mechanics of his pm wheels. It is YOU who are assuming that they do somehow provide the secrets of his wheels. That is a BIG assumption to make which, so far, you have really done nothing too impressive to prove.
DeleteSo, this is all just YOUR opinion and you certainly have a right to express it especially on your own blog. Otoh, those who read it also have a right to be skeptical and require more proof of it. Let's hope in the months/years to come you can finally find and reveal such proof.
I understand that you are currently rehashing all of those past clues and codes you found for the benefit of newbies to this blog (and apparently to the annoyance of some of the veterans here). But, it would be very nice if you could start showing us some of your latest NEW clues for a change. So far all of the truly new clues are coming from others and not from you. You also seem to be annoyed about that which is understandable because their clues and yours obviously don't lead to the same conclusions about Bessler's wheel mechanics. The solution is to counter them by providing your own new clues that support your approach. So far we are not seeing them as this blog goes off, yet again, on an old clue rehashing detour. Hopefully, that will soon be ending.
Another big problems for JC's approach is that mention of the Kassal wheel making about eight thumps during each rotation when running freely at its maximum speed of 26 rpm's. That one observation is enough to refute his five weight lever design in most people's minds. In the past he's tried all manner of rationalizations to try to get around that number of impacts and show how only five weights could produce them, but his "explanations" never really convinced any one here.
DeleteI think John's so emotionally invested in his pentagon stuff that there is no way he will ever abandon it. Imo, he is actually powerless to at this point. He will continue to repost all of his past clues and codes over and over again until he finally drops in the "hope that one day someone will prove me right". That "one day" has not come along in the last few decades. One would think if it was going to, it would have happened by now. My advice to him is to look for a different approach. You can only beat a dead horse so long before you realize that it's not going to suddenly stand up and start pulling your wagon. Right now to me it looks like his dead horse of an approach is starting to turn into horse puree from being whipped so much! He needs a new horse and the sooner the better! 🐎
DeleteI think it has always been clear to those who want to see . John's blog is a record of HIS long time effort and personal journey , and HIS legacy . A repository or library of HIS ideas , contributions , and interpretations on OUR journey to replicate a Bessler runner , and clear Bessler's name . And when the quest is eventually solved some or all of the mechanics laid bare may well be covered in full or in part in his blogs , which can be seen by all . A lot of what others have contributed on BW.com etc can also be put under the same lens for a degree of connection to the eventual " truth " of the matter , and will be .
DeleteJohn has moral integrity and my respect for his mighty contributions to the cause , above and beyond . He should be left in peace to complete his legacy and his part in the journey .
It's only a matter of time before his and others' B pm wheel "legacies" on this blog and bwf get flushed down the internet drain to free up space on some google server somewhere. This has happened to other blogs in the past and this one won't be immune from that. I'm sure he's aware of this. He needs to put out his various "clues" and "codes" as a self published book that does not go out of print, but that seems unlikely now. Father time waits for no one and could not care less about one's plans for the future.
DeleteI also think he should publish this book , for the same reasons . He has always had the opportunity to pivot from his desire to solve the riddle of the B. runner mechanics , to also meaningfully and purposefully become the " keeper of the facts and facts arbiter " things Bessler . Since the bulk of the legitimate and verifiable information comes from his sources and who better to remember where and what they are .
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