I have long held the belief that the principle which drives Bessler's wheel will prove to derive from the action of parametric oscillation. The swing, otherwise known as a pendulum, is an extremely sensitive device and perhaps the following facts will demonstrate its power and inspire a solution?
Consider the following. The clock tower soon to be known as the Elizabeth Tower in a tribute to Queen Elizabeth in her Diamond Jubilee year, but currently known as 'Big Ben' after the bell which sounds the hours, is 316 feet tall. It holds the largest four-faced chiming clock in the world and is the third-tallest free-standing clock tower.
The four clock dials are 180 feet above ground and each is 23 feet in diameter.
The hour hands each weigh 661 pounds are almost nine feet long and the minute hands are 14 feet long, but they weigh only 220 pounds, being made of a lighter material.
The clock is regulated by a pendulum which is 13 feet long, weighs 660 pounds (over a third of a ton) and beats every 2 seconds.
On top of the pendulum bob is a small stack of old penny coins; these are to adjust the time of the clock. Adding just one coin has the effect of minutely lifting the position of the pendulum's centre of mass, reducing the effective length of the pendulum rod and hence increasing the rate at which the pendulum swings. Adding or removing a penny from the bob will change the clock's speed by 0.4 seconds per day.
Adding and then removing the penny daily would not result in any discernable continuous motion but in Bessler's wheel however such variation applied on a larger scale to a pendulum - as happenes in a swing by a child swinging its legs and upper body to increase oscillation - or in 'kiiking' - will generate rotation.
If such a mighty piece of machinery can be affected by the removal or replacement of one penny, surely we can come up with some visionary means of achieving success with Bessler's wheel.
JC
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I've always liked your country's tower clock or "Big Ben". I read somewhere that its internally illuminated dials can be read with unaided eyes at a maximum distance of about two miles at night! You give the dial diameters as 23 feet, but that can't be right if the minute hands are 14 feet long since 2 x 14 ft = 28 ft! Your figure for the dial diameter would require each minute hand to "overhang" the periphery of a circular dial by 2.5 ft!
ReplyDeleteI'm not convinced that Bessler's wheels contained any pendulums in the conventional sense of the term. Yes, there were definitely weighted levers mounted on pivots being used, but they were not actually "free" to swing about like true pendula. Rather, they had a certain LIMITED amount of arc through which they could travel back and forth away from their rim stops and that "swinging" was continuously dampened due to the system of interconnecting cords and springs acting on each lever.
I am convinced, however, that Asa Jackson's wheel DID employ a very cleverly constructed parametric oscillator that allowed the wheel to achieve a sort of "pulsed" rotary motion. After we figure out how Bessler's wheels worked, it will be time to move on to Jackson's wheel. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if we found a certain "commonality" in the two designs in terms of the counter balancing priniciples employed. I wonder if Asa Jackson had ever heard of Bessler? Come to think of it, I wonder if Jackson could even read! If not, then that handicap would make his achievement rather amazing, indeed.
I don't know about the distance one can read the dials at night but I can believe it, TG.
ReplyDeleteThe hands extend backwards from their pivots, a short distance, probably to help balance their weight, that's why they seem too long for the dial.
I agree that there were not pendulums in the wheel but rather weighted levers moving within a restricted range. You see, we can agree on some things TG!
JC
Right you are, JC!
ReplyDeleteI just checked a Google image for Big Ben and it does look like the minute hands extend back behind their pivots by about 2.5 feet.
Yes, it's a beautiful and iconic clock and I'm so glad that the Luftwaffe did not manage to demolish it during the blitz. But, then again, I remember reading that the British and German governments had an "unwritten" agreement NOT to bomb each other's government buildings during any air campaigns. The same also applied to using chemical and biological weapons.
Oh, yes, we DO agree on some things, first and foremost that Bessler was NOT a liar and DID, in fact, have genuine OB PM wheels. After that, though, our approaches tend to rapidly diverge from each other! I will be VERY interested in seeing the clues and interpretations thereof which you will be using to "justify" your design. If you can give some precise dimensions to your parts, I may even try modeling it to see what its potential is.
JC said
ReplyDelete"I agree that there were not pendulums in the wheel but rather weighted levers moving within a restricted range. You see, we can agree on some things TG!"
Since JC has made a point in referencing Kiiking so much, we assumed his wheel would be based on free swinging pendulums. Based on this most recent comment, it appears that our assumptions were wrong and that his design is more in line with MT9. He may be a closet "right tracker" after all. I guess we will see.
Of course JC did not say that the weights were bound by cords and their movements dampened, so maybe the weights did swing freely like pendulums. The Peter Lindemann Mechanical Engine comes to mind.
DeleteWell, there’s two things that we three agree on, Bessler was not a liar and he did create overbalancing gravity driven wheels.
ReplyDeleteI am also shoulder-to-shoulder with JC about parametric oscillation being a vital element in The Gravity Wheel. This is what ‘pumps’ or ‘drives’ the machine (Bessler used the term ‘bellows’ to describe this) You may be surprised to learn TG that JC and I have discussed and agreed one form, (a structure taken directly from the treasure trove of clues, the MT images that you dismiss as ‘not relevant’), which provides the means by which the parametric oscillation is achieved. I do not know much about the further clues and information JC has promised to release (hopefully not too soon John please!) as we are not working together, however I do already know one thing he is going to say before he says it. My own research into, and building of this structure is very far advanced and giving extremely pleasing results.
TG One thing you missed out of your very good description of the trials and tribulations of the working life of a mobilist builder/researcher recently, is the fear of being ‘pipped at the post’; that if someone else suddenly pops-up having ‘done it’, the mobilist would be unable to prove that they had worked it out too (but had been unable to build it) JC has his 10a2c5d26e15f6g7h10ik12l3m6n14o14r5s17tu6v5w4y4-3,’. as his insurance policy against this eventuality, I have my drawings on my website serving the same purpose. I took my own insurance policy out on 29th April 2011 by posting a clear picture of the structure to which I refer.
It occurred to me a good while ago that if Bessler could hide in plain sight his machine in his woodcut images for three hundred years, then I could play exactly the same trick for a while whilst giving myself time to build.
JW
Hello John,
DeleteIs the picture you refer to the one shown on http://factumpoetica.org/ ?
I find your weight armature design very interesting. I believe I can picture it's movements in my mind but I wouldn't have associated a pumping or oscillatory motion with it. Have you ever produced a video of it rotating?
Hello Anonymous 31 august 2012 15:44,
DeleteI do wish you would use your real name; don’t you want to be a real part of the stop pollution/save humanity/green, clean, free energy forever revolution? As an anonymous you can hardly say “I was there”, can you?
To answer your question: Is the picture you refer to the one shown on http://factumpoetica.org/ ?
I have a 150 page website, there is a picture on nearly every page! The picture I refer to is one of the first set (of 40) I published under the title ‘My Drawings’
I’m not ready for the video yet.
JW
"You may be surprised to learn TG that JC and I have discussed and agreed one form, (a structure taken directly from the treasure trove of clues, the MT images that you dismiss as ‘not relevant’), which provides the means by which the parametric oscillation is achieved."
DeleteHopefully, you two won't get into a nasty fight over "priority issues" in the event that JC's "pentagrammatic wheel" actually works! I can just see it now. JC claiming this anagram proves HE had the correct principle first and then you claiming your 29th April 2011 sketch proves YOU had priority. Patent attorneys make a VERY comfortable income trying to resolve disputes like that!
The priority on the "right track" design I am currently working on was established almost 300 years ago when two certain portraits were published so I'm not really worried about anybody "pipping me at the post" on the design or the priciples by which it operates.
I also will not dismiss as irrelevant the concept of the "self-pumping" parametric pendulum being used to achieve PM because this is exactly how I believe that the Asa Jackson wheel worked, but his wheel produced "bursts" of torque and not a constant torque like Bessler's wheels did. Whether or not parametric pendula can be used in isolated "perpetual motion structures" to provide a constant torque to a wheel is another matter, however. In any event, I wish the both of you success regardless of which one claims priority to having discovered the working principle.
The "right track" design I have does NOT use parametric pendula. It simply contains 8 weighted levers so arranged that the weighted levers in the top half of a wheel's drum are perfectly counter balanced against each other with spring tension playing a CRITICAL role in the process. This equilibrium places the CoM of the 8 weights onto a certain location on the drum's descending side and, most importantly, KEEPS it there during drum rotation.
As the drum begins to rotate, that action tends to cause the CoM to begin dropping. But, at that same instant, the inward swinging of a SINGLE weighted lever on the ascending side of the drum causes ALL of the weighted levers in the upper half of the drum to IMMEDIATELY and SMOOTHLY begin swinging CW about their pivots so as to, once again, restablish the location of the CoM of all 8 weights right back where it was originally located.
As one can see, this process does not rely upon the free swinging of pendula within a drum. The cord interconnections between the levers and the springs attached to them will not permit such actions. The "right track" design I have is based upon establishing and then maintaining a simple equilibrium between counterbalanced weighted levers that always maintains their CoM on the drum's descending side. It is a sort of automatically self-maintaining equilibrium.
Perhaps this approach still sounds a bit mysterious, since I have only so far released about 30% of its details. However, IF I am finally successful in completing 100% of my journey down the "right track", then all will very quickly become crystal clear when the schematics are published for a one quarter sized replica of one of the one-directional sub wheels used in the Merseburg wheel. How this design was derived from the encoded DT portrait clues will also become quite obvious shortly thereafter.
Might I give the opinion that clues presented in this way amidst a mystery that is not yet solved is not unlike fingering someone in a murder without any evidence . If there were any actual consequence or error we would likely be a lot more careful .
ReplyDeleteAs I proceed, step by painful step, down "my" (actually Bessler's!) "right track" toward a final solution to the Bessler wheel mystery, I am well aware of the possibility of FREQUENTLY making wrong turns that begin to take me off of that track. This, of course, is all part of Bessler's plan for any future reverse engineering Bessler mobilist trying to recover the "lost" secret of his wheels and there is absolutely NOTHING I or anyone else can do about it! One must play this bizarre game by Bessler's rules. Fortunately, simulation software allows us to "cheat" a little along the way.
DeleteWhen such wrong turns take place, any models or components based on an erroneous interpretation of a certain clue will only inevitably lead to something that does NOT work. That is a sign that it is time to back track a bit and reinterpret the particular clue or look around it for the valid clue which must then be interpreted and have its various interpretations individually tested to make sure one can be confident in any models or components based on it and that one has, indeed, made a VALID step forward along the "right track". I have NO desire to either delude myself or lead others astray.
I'm somewhat like a child wandering through a dense and unfriendly forest in the dead of night and trying to get safely home. There are markers that have been placed along the way to guide me out of the forest and to the destination I seek. But, they are very hard to read in the dark and occasionally and INTENTIONALLY deceiving so that they send me into an even darker and scarier part of the the forest. I have to be careful not to travel too long and too far in the "wrong" direction and must always be prepared to abandon a certain path when I have a "bad" feeling about it (or, as one of my associates says, "You don't have to ride to the end of the line to realize you are on the WRONG bus!).
As one can imagine, it is a VERY slow and demanding process to find THE design that Bessler found and used. If I had known AT THE START (DECADES ago!) the amount of work that would be required, I probably would have said "No thank you!" back then and taken up a less stressful hobby like, say, alligator wrestling! LOL!
My style of research is certainly not for everyone. It, literally, requires one to combine the talents of an artist, a mathematician, a numerologist, a draftsman, a mechanical engineer, a computer expert, and a craftsmen! Thanks be to God, I just happen to have those particular skills and the time to apply them consistently to solving this 300 year old enigma.
Now, all I need is a LOT of sheer LUCK because, even with all of the above requisite skills, the last 1% of one's journey will be the MOST difficult of all to complete. It has prevented, possibly, TENS OF THOUSANDS of mobilists since the time of Bessler from completing their journey along the "right track" that he found. Sadly, they did NOT have ENOUGH luck!
I also believe that parametric oscillation is a key component of the whole - I do believe however it wasn't the only "ingredient" that did the trick. The more I read about the individual opinions here, however, I think several are "on the right track" to solve pieces of the puzzle.
ReplyDeleteAnd a rather nasty (but fascinating!) puzzle it is.
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