Over the last few years I have posted many pieces of encoded material along with my interpretation of what they mean, but none have been of help in finding the design inside Bessler's wheel. Not posting anything that might be of help was, I admit, a deliberate move on my part for two reasons; firstly, to try to interest others in looking, finding and interpreting other pieces of code, but secondly to retain for my own benefit anything which I believed would help me to find the actual solution. What follows is a little bit of information which could lead to discovering some of the requirements of the wheel. There will be more to follow.

Because of the presence of the pentagram in many of Bessler’s drawings and his apparent obsession with the number five and 55, it’s been a bit of an obsession of mine too, to try and find some information concerning these apparent clues, that would be helpful.

Because of the presence of the pentagram in many of Bessler’s drawings and his apparent obsession with the number five and 55, it’s been a bit of an obsession of mine too, to try and find some information concerning these apparent clues, that would be helpful.

The number five is intrinsically related to Phi and the Fibonacci series. Phi represents the Golden Ratio, 1.618 and in the Greek alphabet looks like this, ⏀.

It has been suggested that the ‘0’ part of the Phi symbol represents ‘nothing’, and the short vertical line is the number ‘1’, or unity. Therefore adding one to nothing leads to the Fibonacci series; 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, towards infinity and Phi, or the golden ratio 1.618, an integral part of the pentagram.

You can start the Fibonacci series from 0 or 1, and starting from 1 the 5th letter is 5, and the 10th letter is 55 and outside of the Fibonacci series the numbers 1 to 10 total of 55. Bessler uses these numbers in different ways in several of his drawings. The square root of 5 = 2.236 although there are at least 10 billion digits after, according to Wikipedia, despite that, a close approximation can be achieved by 161/72 which gives 2.23611. Curious how 72 shows up there, being as it is a fifth part of the pentagram.

Nearly every angle inside Bessler's wheel is based on the angle of 18 degrees, the smallest angle used in the pentagram. Others include 36, 54, 72, 90 and 108, all multiples of 18, except one which is 30 degrees. All the angles including some covering angular movement not normally required for a pentagram are also derived from the angle of 18 degrees.

Although Bessler stressed the need for five mechanisms it is clear that he also considered using the odd numbers 7 and 9. This gave him the alternative to fit more of them into the wheels without compromising the effectiveness of the wheel. To fit more mechanisms inside his wheel would require them to operate further out from the wheel’s centre, and make them smaller. But given the huge size of the Kassel wheel, that might have been an option he chose to make. Despite it being almost the same diameter as the Merseberg wheel it only turned at half the speed which might be because it contained more smaller mechanisms, with reduced length of movement in those parts which were designed to move.

Nearly every angle inside Bessler's wheel is based on the angle of 18 degrees, the smallest angle used in the pentagram. Others include 36, 54, 72, 90 and 108, all multiples of 18, except one which is 30 degrees. All the angles including some covering angular movement not normally required for a pentagram are also derived from the angle of 18 degrees.

Although Bessler stressed the need for five mechanisms it is clear that he also considered using the odd numbers 7 and 9. This gave him the alternative to fit more of them into the wheels without compromising the effectiveness of the wheel. To fit more mechanisms inside his wheel would require them to operate further out from the wheel’s centre, and make them smaller. But given the huge size of the Kassel wheel, that might have been an option he chose to make. Despite it being almost the same diameter as the Merseberg wheel it only turned at half the speed which might be because it contained more smaller mechanisms, with reduced length of movement in those parts which were designed to move.

Having 7 or 9 mechanisms might help support the idea that the witness, Fisher von Elach, did hear the sound of ‘about’ eight weights landing on the side towards which the wheel turned. In Bessler’s Maschinen Tractate document you can see that some drawings are numbered in an individual way, and have a special characteristic which the others don't have and you can read more about it on my web page at

http://www.theorffyreuscode.com/html/mt_numbers___letters.html

Those numbers above 50 which contain the number 2 show the 2 as a Z rather than a 2, but only if they are odd numbers. So in the numbers 52, 72, and 92, the 2 is appears as a Z, but all the remaining numbers use a curved number 2. Notice that number variants start after number 50, this supports the notion that a minimum of five mechanisms are necessary.

http://www.theorffyreuscode.com/html/mt_numbers___letters.html

Those numbers above 50 which contain the number 2 show the 2 as a Z rather than a 2, but only if they are odd numbers. So in the numbers 52, 72, and 92, the 2 is appears as a Z, but all the remaining numbers use a curved number 2. Notice that number variants start after number 50, this supports the notion that a minimum of five mechanisms are necessary.

I can't prove any of this until I have working model, but I firmly believe that the single number 5 denotes five mechanisms, and the 55 denotes two weights in each mechanism. So in the above image the odd numbers mean you can use 5, 7 or 9 mechanisms, and the Z-like 2s can be read as 2 - or two horizontal Roman numerals, V, representing 5, something Bessler does in numerous other examples. He also uses the letter W to convey two 'V's or 5s.

There are other implications in the above text which I have not touched upon which may help others to make progress in discovering some of Bessler's construction details.

JC

If we look at how Bessler behaved and what Karl said, a 5,7 or 9 mechanisms sound too complex. It must be much simpler.

ReplyDeleteAll mechanisms inside the wheel are similar...and, each mechanism is very simple to build...just a lever weight combination...they just perform in unison...their main task is to I'm balance the wheel...they function in an amazing way...even eight mechanisms together appear very simple...one just has to look at a mechanism and note how it is housed in the arrangement to grab the much protected secret...it is a wonder still to realize that no one has yet found out the secret despite it's extreme simplicity... Bessler wasn't really worried about someone soon coming up with his design...but he feared leaking the wheel secret...

DeleteIf the mechanisms are the same may be you are right Suresh, but I think John is saying 5 different mechanisms.

DeleteAnd of course, ZZ together makes the Jolly Blacksmith pantograph toy.

ReplyDeleteYou keep saying " Bessler stressed that 5 mechanisms were used ", as if it is factual. Can you show us one advantage of using 5 mechanisms through 360 deg. vs. 4 or 6?

ReplyDeleteThanks, Justsomeone

Yes, when I post my defensive publication.

DeleteJC

Hi John Collins!!

ReplyDeleteWhy put the 'secret' to the wheel in code, when there is so much information, written in, (thanks to you), plain English? Plus the pictures of MT-. If you forgive me for asking.

Sam Peppiatt

There’s it enough prose to deduce every detail Sam.

DeleteJC

there is enough or there isn't enough???

DeleteSorry, fat finger typing! There is not enough information in the prose to work out what is needed, unless you have deciphered chapter 55 of Apologia Poetica?

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Hey John answer this riddle why is it grasshopper like a storks bill

ReplyDeleteAnd also how about this one little Jack Horner

ReplyDeleteYes I know

ReplyDeleteYou’ve got me there Stephen, I don’t understand the questions? 🤔

DeleteGrasshopper's hind legs resembles stork's bill..

ReplyDeleteThe ratio φ is related to the geometrical construction of the pentagon or decagon.

ReplyDeleteFor instance, when you draw a decagon inside a circle, the ratio between the radius of the circle and the side of the decagon is the ratio φ = (1+√5)/2 = 1.6180339 ...

. radius = side × 1,618

By the way, the symbol φ (phi) was chosen because it sounds like the first syllable of "Fibonacci".

The series beginning with 0 and 1 is only one of the infinite set of Fibonnacci sequences.

Examples:

2, 5, 7, 12, 19, 31 ... is a Fibonacci series

3, 4, 7, 11, 18, 29 ... is another one, etc.

Generalization: {a, b, a + b, a + 2b, 2a + 3b, 3a + 5b ...}, with a and b any natural numbers.

Thank you Michel, I didn’t know about the other Finonacci series.

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So Michael what did they call that ratio before Fibonacci and where do you think he got it from I don't understand how everybody can lay claim just because they stick a name on it most all of the things that were invented we're given but you can't make any money if it isn't yours if you're interested in how Bessler made his wheel ask the bigger question he told you where he got it from

ReplyDeleteYou're right, this ratio was known long before Fibonacci.

DeleteIt was known to the Greeks as the

. . “dividing a line in the extreme and mean ratio”

See, for instance, Euclides, "Elements", VI, 30.

https://mathcs.clarku.edu/~djoyce/elements/bookVI/propVI30.html

and to Renaissance artists as the “Divine Proportion”.

It was also called the "Golden Section".

Pull back the curtains from your eyes

ReplyDeleteJohn the answer to the riddle is offspring. The storksbill plant has a very interesting seed it plants itself. Don't forget to look at the whole seed and remember a flail wants to be with the thresher not with the scholar!

ReplyDeleteRow Row Row Your Boat and when was Ark ever rectangular a tisket a tasket a lovely basket. It is better to be a teacher you can get more things done. I study the obscure penetrate the hidden things in life!

Thanks Stephen, I think?

DeleteJC

Actually thanks indeed, I did not know that about the storksbill seed, fascinating. Good find Stephen.

DeleteJC

I read that as a child, Fibonacci travelled around North Africa with his father, where he learned about Arabic mathematics, and what are generally referred to as the Fibonacci numbers and the method for their formation were originally published by Virahanka between A.D. 600 and 800. Gopala prior to A.D. 1135,and Hemacandra c. A.D. 1150, all prior to L. Fibonacci c. A.D. 1202.

ReplyDeleteJC

John, are you talking about same 5 mechanisms placed inside the wheel? or these 5 mechanisms are all different?

ReplyDeleteHi yellow, from my above post,

Delete“the single number 5 denotes five mechanisms, and the 55 denotes two weights in each mechanism”.

JC

OK. I see. there is one mechanism that is duplicated 5 times.

DeleteOdd number of mechanisms may have merit. Check electronic ring oscillators. They require odd number of stages. The stages are also identical. Since, the wheel is basically a mechanical oscillator, your design may have a connection to the ring oscillator.

If we look at all the historical failed devices we can easily make out that the internal mechanisms are all designed same...there must not be any doubt about it...the principle is same in all cases...one sure way to achieve quick success is cone to a concensco...we still cannot afford to hold differences here...but first we need to shatter a few myths...that Bessler wheel is a PM...that gravity cannot be directly used...that Bessler was a fraud...that the wheel mechanism is too complex...that there are more than one way to design BW...that secret codes left by Bessler needs cracking...that this is against physics' laws...that movement can be achieved with less than eight internal mechanisms...etc., etc.,...

ReplyDeleteWeights act in pairs...this does not necessarily mean double weights in each mechanism...like a see-saw in a childrens park weight acts against the weight in the opposite mechanism on the ascending side... IMHO course...

ReplyDeleteWaits act in pairs to stay in balance. It is through balanced energy is given to the wheel so that a separate lever can be moved to cause an in balance on one side of the wheel without the balanced weights the lever weights would find equilibrium because they would not act at the proper point of the wheel.

DeleteYou could be right but what I feel is that weights act in pairs means is like a see-saw pair but an innovation in the mechanism ensures that one side always remains heavy...

ReplyDeleteTime for another riddle where do you find a seer that doesn't see

ReplyDeleteHere's a hint spell check

ReplyDeleteNo idea

ReplyDeleteBessler was referring to a device that holds a lever it is also part of the firing mechanism of a shotgun it is spelt s e a r and it ceases movement until such time as a trigger is pulled

DeleteA dog is also a mechanical concept something that follows along like a dog in this case the dog is Tethered by a chain these are simple mechanical terms.

ReplyDeleteIt also gives support in the case of a lathe or any other spinning item

Bessler understood music the shape of the number 5 the bass is like the bass clef top is a lever like the Bell crank you can ponder on that for a while

ReplyDeleteIf you look at the toy page e and you draw a curved line between the two handles it is a bell bell e up

ReplyDeleteChildren Play Between the broken columns what might you suppose that meant columns have capitals

ReplyDeleteHere's an interesting experiment find an 8 year old with a good imagination make a copy of the toy page give them a pencil and ask them to find the hidden things in the drawing it holy ghost! It's their future they deserve to participate! Oh yes where to use the pencil to finish those drawings.

ReplyDeleteAnd above all give them your love and understanding!!!

ReplyDeleteChildren mean weights and columns levers...

ReplyDeleteChildren are offspring and columns are spokes

ReplyDeleteStephen... offspring and spokes...how do they relate to Bessler Wheel?...

ReplyDeleteThe storksbill plant has seeds the screw themselves into the ground.

ReplyDeleteThe Columns are broken because they don't support a rim they support a lever The Columns are spokes what but everyone calls a wheel the rim is the lever it folds like a curtain pulling back or pushed back the principle of the wheel uses gravity as energy to push the levers through a mechanism of a spring but the spring is not coiled it's a bowl.

By the way I believe this design is much older than Bessler much older!

ReplyDeleteOk...thanks...but I want to know why we can't relate children to weights and columns to levers?...

ReplyDeleteActually you could simplify the machine greatly but it is more complicated to build because of precision in timing and I suppose you could call them children they would be levers and weights in one and their me be a way not to have a storage device such as a rod spring.

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