Friday, 12 February 2021

The Secret Message in Johann Bessler’s Hand

There are other idiosyncrasies to examine in Bessler’s portraits besides the ones I have pointed out on my website at  theorffyreuscode.com  but one I haven’t discussed before concerns the strangeness of Bessler’s hand gesture.  In the portrait below, notice the left hand, ringed in red. His little finger seems to be unusually separated from the next one, the ring finger.  In fact it looks almost as if it was originally placed next to the ring finger but then altered to appear in its current position or if you prefer, the two middle fingers are closer together than the two on either side.

There are several web sites explaining the significance of this feature which appears in a lot of Renaissance paintings. Three paintings picked at random below, demonstrate the point, but what does the gesture signify? 

During the Renaissance period, hands were as important a focus of attention as the face was, because they were the only other visible area of the body. Hence, representation of the position of the hands became a decorative element that was almost as important as the face. Thus, given its high visibility, hand gestures in portraits and paintings have been one of the most effective ways of conveying secrets, codes and messages.

It seems that there are two possible interpretation of this gesture.  First there is Freemasonry or Masonic membership and rank. Apparently the gesture was a secret sign used to recognize masonic followers. The enigmatic posture of the hand has fascinated a lot of scholars of hidden societies, who believe that the unusual splayed fingers represents the letter M, which indicated not only Masonic membership and rank, but also possession of occult secrets. That seems to fit with what we suspect about Bessler, but there is another possibility.


It was Ignacio de Loyola’s gesture for the atonement of sins 

According to this hypothesis, the gesture was a sign with a religious meaning used by Jesuits. San Ignacio de Loyola founded the Jesuits’ Order in 1541 and became its first Superior General. The Saint used to recommend a gesture for believers,  ‘each time one falls into sin, in laying the hand on the breast whilst inciting one’s inner self to grief.’ 

 

There are many more examples of this particular hand. signal in the paintings of that era, but their meaning, which must have been fairly widely understood still at the time, seems to have escaped modern interpretation. The fact that Johann Bessler adopted it in his portrait must indicate that he at least had some understanding of its importance and perhaps we can make some educated guesses given our knowledge of his particular circumstances. Firstly we know that he spent some time in Prague in the company of a Jesuit priest and a Rabbi. While he was there he claimed to have been taught about ‘the book of nature’ and ‘the language of angels’.  In 1623 Galileo crafted a famous metaphor that is still often cited by scientists. ‘Nature’, he wrote, ‘is a book written in “the language of mathematics”. If we cannot understand that language, we will be doomed to wander about as if “in a dark labyrinth”’.
 It is also known as the ‘language of  Enoch’.  Enochian is an occult or angelic language that was recorded in the private journals of John Dee and his colleague Edward Kelley in late 16th-century England. Dee was a man of science-turned-magic seeker, and Kelley was a spirit medium who worked with Dee in his magical investigations. The men claimed that the mystical language was revealed to them by the Enochian angels. 
It is also referred to as Celestial Speech, Angelical, The First Language of God and Adam, because they believed it was the language first used by Adam and Eve - perhaps even the language God used to speak everything into being. They were both active in Prague before Bessler’s time.

Much of the above is too speculative to make any firm conclusions but I think we can say with some certainty that Bessler included the gesture in order to convey some message to those who could  understand it.  

Perhaps someone may be able to provide more certainty either about its wide use, or Bessler’s particular intentions.

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  1. It would appear that Bessler felt himself of a more noble position by using this special hand position. Especially with his own belief, that he, above all others, had been given a Special Blessing from God with the knowledge of the secret to make his wheel like no other. When the time for the reveal is upon us, I am sure that the purveyor will, no doubt, feel they have been CHOSEN to help make the world a much better place.

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  2. …It is the power of patience and practice, the power of imagination as wellas vision and endurance, the power of our own hands, the power of the human spirit that transforms willow wands into baskets, and wood and materials into THE WHEEL. and breathe life into them and Which..... then, has a life of its own

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    1. I agree with what you wrote but I think he was trying to convey additional information known among certain people relating to freemasonry or some other semi clandestine group.

      JC

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  3. Looks like you fellows could use the help of a numerologist and symbologist with this one.

    Obviously Bessler's left hand and the book it pushes up against are very prominent in that first DT portrait and for some important reason. However, they can actually have several levels of meaning.

    First, as the other artists used it in their paintings, the hand and its arrangement of fingers is a Christian symbol. Imo, it represents the corpse of Jesus as he was taken down off of the cross. The thumb represents his drooping head. The index and pinky fingers represent his lifeless arms hanging at his sides after the removal of the nails. The middle and ring fingers touch and represent his two feet still nailed together on the cross and awaiting the removal of their nails. This symbolism was intended by Bessler to let everyone know he was a Christian and as such to tell them that he would not lie about his wheels being genuine. But, then one must move on to the next deeper level of symbolism.

    Note how his thumb and index finger form the number 7. As I've mentioned before, 7 is the luckiest number in numerology. Why did he put it there? It's to tell you that if you can successfully decode the meaning of the hand, then you will be a very lucky person because it will provide you with an important clue that will tell you how his wheels actually worked and thereby will increase your chance of actually making one of them!

    But what is that clue? Assuming that there were eight levers with eight weights attached to them inside of a wheel's drum, his hand could represent a lever that is moving toward the 7:30 position of a clockwise turning wheel's drum. We already have the 7 and the three remaining fingers to the right of the index finger could represent 30 minutes so that gives us the 7:30 position inside of the drum. Next we see that the hand is pushing up on the book to its left. What does that book represent? From its orientation, it suggests to me an hour hand when the time is 10:30 even though the angle the book makes with the table top is less than 45 degrees. Most likely Bessler is telling us here that as a wheel turned clockwise, a lever arriving at its 7:30 position was helping to move a lever arriving at its 10:30 position. Since those two levers were fairly far apart there would have had to have been some sort of mechanical connection between them.

    I said the middle and ring finger represented Christ's two feet nailed together on his cross. But, they could also symbolize two legs placed close together as when one is standing motionless. Now look at the ring finger and pinky. They look like two legs running to the right side of the portrait! The symbolism of this is obvious (at least to me!). It depicts something that is motionless suddenly moving rapidly. I highly suspect that he's telling us here that as a lever is approaching 7:30 in the drum, it causes a very rapid motion in the lever approaching 10:30. IIRC, he wrote something in AP about weights that were at rest suddenly "rising in a flash". I think those weights were the ones at the ends of the levers as they reached a turning drum's 10:30 position. Perhaps this rapid motion is critical to achieving pm in an overbalanced type pm wheel.

    Now all you have to do is figure out how to make this rapid lever motion happen and you could be lucky like Bessler suggested you would be and finally have your first working pm wheel!

    Sayer of Sooths

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    1. Ingenious as usual, SoS, but for me I wish to understand reason for the ubiquity of this gesture throughout renaissance art. Bessler must have been aware of its meaning even if he also used it as you suggest.

      JC

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    2. I always thought maybe Bessler had arthritis in that little finger of his, but your analysis makes a whole lot more sense to me, SoS. The more I look at his fingers the more I do see those running legs you mention!

      Here's my own theory. SoS is actually that alchemist that Bessler saved from drowning who taught him how to make different medications as a reward. Years later the two met up again and Bessler decided to reveal the secret of his wheels to SoS out of gratitude for all the money he was making selling those medications that the alchemist showed him how to make. Of course SoS had to swear not to reveal the secret during Bessler's life. Then SoS finally found the secret of making the "elixir of life" which is a magic potion that makes anyone drinking it immortal so they can live forever. Now here he is 300 years later giving us all the correct interpretations of the symbols in Bessler's drawings. That could only be possible if he is actually that alchemist!

      The hell with the secrets of Bessler's wheels, SoS, just give us the formula for your immortality elixir...PLEASE! Lol!

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    3. I found your analysis of Bessler's hand in that portrait most interesting, SoS. It could lend support to those that think the final working design Bessler discovered was derived from MT 13. The levers moving down and past that wheel's 6 o'clock position would then be swinging in toward the axle and that motion would be transferred to the levers moving toward the 12 o'clock position to quickly raise them up. In that way the wheel would stay constantly overbalanced as it rotated. That action could also be what he symbolically represented by those hammer men toys on the Toys Page. There we see hammers swinging in toward the centers of the toys while other hammers swing away from them. That could be symbolic of levers with weights on their ends swinging in toward the axle of a wheel and causing the other levers to which they were connected to rise rapidly away from the axle. I don't think this symbolism in the portrait and also in MT's Toy Page is a coincidence. It shows how something actually worked inside of Bessler's wheels.

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  5. Ouch John .. you got a right telling off.

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    1. Yes I did, didn’t I! Yet no one discusses the fact that the same hand gesture appears in many renaissance portraits which have nothing to do with mechanical devices.

      JC

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  7. Stephen are you an actor or something else? In this blog you are not the boss, a lot of self-criticism for yourself.

    You're right John, the question should have been asked. The people portrayed were wealthy. Before Leonardo da Vinci, the painters of that time knew the position of the fingers, which was associated with a secret, which of course they did not know, but they added this arrangement of fingers from themselves to give the portrayed person a certain mystery and dignity. That is my opinion on this matter.

    Bessler, on the other hand, placed such a position of his hands on purpose, because it was in line with his vision and could be his indication. I think this interpretation is appropriate ..

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  9. Something I found about hands in paintings:

    "I majored in Art History in college and I specifically studied Renaissance and Baroque eras, so maybe I can help. There are a couple of reasons why the hands could be positioned like that.

    Firstly, hands were difficult to paint. Many artists would charge much more to paint a hand, sometimes as much as the painting itself. If you see portraits that don't have hands, it may be because the sitter didn't pay to have them in the painting. Because hands were (are) so difficult, an artist may just try to perfect one position, and thus they would be able to charge almost triple. Hands in a portrait=wealthy.

    Secondly, artists then copied other works a lot. Michaelangelo did it, so did Rafael, Rembrandt, etc. It's what you did when you were starting out. So, if you're a painter and you see one hand that looks good, a lot of other painters did too.

    Thirdly, it may be because the fact that hands were so expensive that this specific position have come to represent a gentile, upper class person. Kinda like a Renaissance rich person gang sign.

    Fourth, it was a lovely and natural way to display the fingers. Stylistically, it's just a popular way for how hands were done at the time.

    That's all I've got, hope this helps"

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    1. Amazing effort by SG to regain his title of TOP GURU on this blog! He had been absent for a while (I think someone said that might have been due to him being struck in the head by a lightning bolt!), but now he's back and determined to make sure SK does not steal his hard earned crown away from him. To do that SG must be more mysterious than ever and make more pretense to ultimate knowledge of Bessler's wheels than he ever has before. So far he looks like he's doing a fine job of that! If he was actually the victim of a lightning bolt, then it must have energized him just like it did Frankenstein's monster! Some people believe those struck by lightning who survive have been touched by God and selected for some special mission on Earth.

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    2. Maybe lightning to the head can be a good thing for some? Lol!

      https://miro.medium.com/max/768/0*D4_zhzSPVXMjyFjl.jpg

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    3. Or you could visit my web site at http://theorffyreuscode.com/ - Where you can find some of my work on decoding Bessler’s hidden information, posted back in 2009! I’m so much further on than where I was back then, you have no idea.

      JC

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    4. And WHEN exactly can we look forward to you finally giving us an idea of how much further you claim to be now than you were back in 2009???

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    5. Don't anybody be too surprised if JC comes in and steals the much coveted crown of this blog's TOP GURU off of SG's head and, like Charlemagne did back in 800 AD, plops it right down on his own bald head! Don't forget, he's been playing the "I know the BIG SECRET game" for more years now than SG and SK put together! Hang onto your crown tightly, SG! Lol!

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    6. Rare photo of the JC blog TOP GURU crown!

      https://beyondarts.at/app/bhoe/media/bhoe/walkhistory/images/highlight-01-detail-02-popup-01.jpg

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    7. I’ve no objection to SG and SK adding their own ideas and opinions here, but this is not the place for a competition to appear more of a guru than anyone else! Although this is my blog I welcome comments as long as they are couched in polite language and are not used to attack others. But it is also not acceptable for someone to continue to promote a certain book which offers ideas which have no basis for the conclusions offered. I’ve repeatedly requested, demanded and insisted that these promotions cease, but they continue so I will delete them, despite my strong conviction that I don’t want to do so.

      JC

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    8. What John is really trying to eliminate is not promotions for Ken B's book, but rather the design for Bessler's wheel that Ken rediscovered! That's because more and more people are starting to accept that design as "the" solution to Bessler's wheels and, perhaps, the only design that can make an OB wheel work. John is still angry over his last year's failed attempt to solve the wheel and will do anything he can to suppress mention here of ANY potential solutions found by anyone else that look promising.

      He's making a big show now of how he has "no objection to SG and SK adding their own ideas and opinions here" only because he realizes that they are only irrelevant blabbers who have no real clue as to how Bessler's wheels worked and pose no threat to his attempts to find a solution first. Ken B, otoh, is quite a different matter. He's a VERY serious researcher and most likely has already stolen the priority to rediscovering that solution right away from John.

      Yes, John is very angry about this situation and who can blame him? Also, don't anyone fall for his bs about how he "welcomes" a solution from anyone even if he is not him. Nothing could be further from the truth! Now watch how he has to deleted this post as quick as he can to try to hide the truth about HIM that has now been revealed. Lol!

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    9. That is a little harsh, Anon 14:25. I did see BC's post before JC deleted it and it just looked to me like he was trying to add something to that interesting analysis that SoS gave for Bessler's hand in that first portrait and BC was obliged to mentioned where he'd found it. I think he wants SoS to read the book and give his review of it since he is obviously a serious numerologist. So far all we have is JC's disparaging opinion, but others might have different opinions that we haven't heard yet and won't if they are purposely censored.

      In any event I do agree that the hand is a very important symbol in that portrait that is very easy to overlook. That of course would probably be exactly what B wanted the vast majority of those looking at it to do which they've obligingly done over the last three centuries. I think as BC suggested every finger in that hand has some important meaning as far as B's wheels are concerned. As the late Jim Mich of BWF used to say when it came to B wheel research, "We must leave no stone left unturned". Unfortunately, finding and turning all of those stones over can be a long and very tedious process. But, eventually someone is going to find something very nice under one of those stones!

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    10. Ok, first in response to anon 14.25. If you really believe all that stuff that Ken wrote about the clues he found and what they mean, then I give up, you’re are welcome to your opinion, and I shall not hope to change it yet.

      I’m not the slightest bit angry and I’ve said many times that the most important thing is that someone, anyone, finds the solution. I would treat your suggestion that more people are coming around to believing Ken’s design is the solution with the utmost scepticism. I’m just utterly amazed that his design completely dismisses so much evidence about the real wheels, it’s absurd.

      So to reduce the amount of trolling being emitted from you, I’m going to produce a series of blogs identifying Ken’s laughable clues which will underline the ridiculous nature of his claims and also compare his design with the known features of Bessler’s wheel

      JC

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    11. I’ve just realised that you or if you are Ken, probably do sincerely believe that the details in the book are correct and that you have found Bessler’s secret, and no amount of criticism from me is going to change your mind!

      JC

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    12. To anon 16.22. I admit I have a problem with numerology - I don’t believe in it. Therefore I find it hard if not impossible, to believe it is a valid science. Sceptics argue that numbers have no occult significance and cannot by themselves influence a person's life. So they, therefore, regard numerology as a superstition and a pseudoscience that uses numbers to give the subject a veneer of scientific authority.

      However I do believe that Bessler might have used it with or without believing in it, not to guide him in any way but to add that veneer of validity to his work and also as a means of encoding information.

      JC

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    13. "I admit I have a problem with numerology - I don’t believe in it."

      He sure seemed to believe in it last blog where SoS was predicting he'd have exceptional good luck during the next six months so he could finally find the secret of Bessler's wheels! What difference a new blog makes. Lol!

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    14. I can only say that I have worked with numerology for several decades now and I'm well aware that many dismiss it as total nonsense and pseudoscience. If not done properly, that is exactly what it is! I try not to do it improperly though. With regards to Bessler's wheels, my interest is in how he, who was undoubtedly a numerologist, used that subject to conceal information about his wheels in his various drawings. I think I've made some progress in that area in the last few years as, for example, when it came to analyzing MT 13 in a past blog here.

      I did not read BC's deleted post concerning Bessler's hand in the first DT portrait and his suggestion that I get KB's book because of his use of numerological analysis. I do thank BC for the recommendation but he is not the first to make it to me. I intended to get copy last year but as many often say "life got in the way". I do intend to obtain a copy perhaps within a month. If KB's numerology is nonsense then I will know it and not hesitate to expose it. If however it makes sense then I will also say so. I will try to be impartial. Making one's way through his huge book requires a considerable amount of time and effort and the spare time and energy I have for such tasks nowadays is limited and it could take me several months. I won't be able to benefit from any construction details he provides because I'm not going to be building anything. My main interest will be in how he used numerology to get the details of what he is claiming is Bessler's design. He's either right or wrong and if he's wrong, l should know it fairly quickly.

      Sayer of Sooths

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    1. My apologies Stephen, I lumped my response to Bessler Curious’s frequent references to Ken B’s book on the end of my comment about yours and Suresh’s comments and the anon comments about gurus.. No offence intended.

      JC

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  12. “What John is really trying to eliminate is not promotions for Ken B's book, but rather the design for Bessler's wheel that Ken rediscovered!”

    You are completely wrong! Ken B did not rediscover anything. What John does is eliminating promotions of falls claims, want some evidence? Here, this are some quotes from just one comment posted by Ken B on Youtube, in his own words “Imo, Bessler's wheels NEVER broke any of the laws of mechanics or physics.” The title of his book does not leave any room for opinion, If he rediscovered B’ wheel I would expect a statement either it breaks the laws or it does not.
    Another one: “I am NOT convinced that Bessler's wheels were actually perpetual motion machines in the absolute sense of the term” This comment sounds so scientifically, but what exactly “absolute sense of the term” means? Is there non absolute sense of the term?
    One more, and this is the most damaging and discrediting part of the comment: “ They were actually powered by the energy associated with the masses of their weighted levers. That energy was finite and so any of his wheels, if it could run long enough without being stopped by a part failure while outputting mechanical energy, would eventually stop. However, because of the enormous energy contained in a wheel's weighted levers and the very low power outputs of his wheels, they could, literally, run for millions of years and even up into the billions of years for his largest wheels before the came to a stop. No, not pm in the absolute sense of the term, but close enough in the practical sense to be accepted as pm by the average person.” the title of the book says something completely different.
    P.S. John if this comment violates terms of your blog, feel free (don’t feel guilty) to delete it.

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    1. I have no problem with your post anon. 18.37. There are so many preposterous claims, suggestions and arguments in his book, I could write a year’s worth of blogs pointing out the error of his words.

      JC

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    2. Anon 18:27 wrote:
      "Another one: “I am NOT convinced that Bessler's wheels were actually perpetual motion machines in the absolute sense of the term” This comment sounds so scientifically, but what exactly “absolute sense of the term” means? Is there non absolute sense of the term?"

      As I understand it, when Ken B refers to perpetual motion in the "absolute sense of the term", he means motion that would continue forever; that is, without ever stopping for all of eternity as long as whatever is doing that does not break down mechanically. He apparently does not like using the term "perpetual motion" because, as you point out, he really is not convinced that Bessler's wheels could run forever assuming no part failures that stopped them. He prefers the term "self-moving motion" which just says his wheels did not require any external source of power which was obviously the case as all of those tests back in the early 18th century proved.

      Why then did he use the term "perpetual motion" in his book's title? My guess is for two reasons. His title is obviously copied from the English version of the title of Bessler's "Das Triumphirende Perpetuum Mobile Orffyreanum" to which he just added "...Finally Explained!" to grab people's attention and that obliged him to use the "perpetual motion" term. Also, I think he was pandering to those that actually do believe Bessler's wheels could run forever, but they will discover while reading his book that he does not consider them to be able to do so! It's not uncommon to use the adjective "perpetual" to describe things that only work for a long time, but not really forever. I owned a Rolex wristwatch in my younger days that was called the "Oyster Perpetual" because it was water resistant and self-winding. But, if I did not wear it for about a day and a half to move it about, it would come to a stop after it's mainspring wound down. That, however, did not prevent the Rolex company from describing it as "perpetual"!

      It's a very unusual view of the subject Ken has, but when you think about it, that might be what will be necessary for the scientific world to finally sit up and pay serious attention to Bessler's wheels as well as any other devices claimed to be "perpetual". As long as pm chasers keep implying that pm machines can somehow magically pull energy out of nowhere, they are not going to get any respectful consideration from the physicists out there. Ken's view could help change that by sugar coating the subject for them and making it easier for them to swallow and digest!

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    3. @anon 18:27

      No, he's not just referring to "motion that would continue forever; that is, without ever stopping for all of eternity as long as whatever is doing that does not break down mechanically". That kind of motion is already guaranteed by Newton's First Law of Motion. He's referring to everlasting motion that would ALSO be able to output energy for all of eternity. And, he's saying that, by THAT definition of "perpetual motion", he does NOT believe Bessler's wheels were perpetual motion machines. IOW, he thinks Bessler's wheels could run for very long time periods (like millions of years if no part failures occurred) and also continuously deliver some energy to outside machines attached to their axles during all of that time, but eventually all of the energy contained in the weights inside of one of his wheels would be used up and the wheel would then have to stop.

      If so, then that would mean at that distant time in the future the weights inside of Bessler's wheels that had been kept running continuously and outputting power would be completely massless and weightless even though they were made of lead! It's an astonishing thing to consider because you could actually have a lead weight that would be so light that it could float in the air like a soap bubble! Would such a weight still have all of the other properties of lead such as its color, softness, melting point, electrical resistance, etc.? Most likely no one would live long enough to actually be able to handle such a completely massless weight but in large Bessler wheel type electrical generators, the mass of the weights might drop by, say, a few percent after they had produced electrical power continuously for several years. They wouldn't be totally massless, but this bizarre effect should be enough to determine if lead's other chemical and physical properties were being altered by its drop in mass. If this effect is ever actually observed, then the scientists are going to have a real party explaining it! The scientific world will then truly be in "terra incognita".

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  13. "That's because more and more people are starting to accept that design as "the" solution to Bessler's wheels and, perhaps, the only design that can make an OB wheel work."

    LOL .. only in the anon's and KB's minds !

    KB said .. “Imo, Bessler's wheels NEVER broke any of the laws of mechanics or physics.”

    If a gravity PM wheel were a 'runner' it would not necessarily break any of Newton's Laws or the Laws of Mechanics. And not Nature's Laws.

    However it would violate other Laws of Physics, such as the Laws of Thermodynamics ( CoE ) !

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    1. I've noticed that whenever someone puts down Ken and his wheel and is asked what he has to replace it with, then all of a sudden he has nothing to say! Even if Ken's wheel is not yet quite "it", I think it does give us an important new direction in which to look for answers. He claims he's found an overbalanced wheel design based on clues Bessler left us in his DT portraits and that his sims show it stays overbalanced as it rotates. I don't think he's lying about that. He either has those or he's mistaken about having those and he doesn't sound to me like the type that would make big mistakes like that. Can anyone else make similar claims? If so then let's see what they have. Other than Ken's disclosure we still see nothing from them. Only endless debates, grandiose plans for the future, nasty personal attacks, and plenty of boasting about "principles" they've discovered, think they've discovered, or hope they will discover. Their kind has done that since the days of Bessler. Ken at least is trying to make a big change away from this "business as usual" situation and I wish him the best of luck with his efforts. That change is long overdue, imo.

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    2. Let me explain Ken...

      BW mechanism is extremely simple... The main components carry a certain unique designing which makes it possible to use gravity during ascent as well as descent... And, this aspect is totally not visible in your design... One look inside should make a man gasp with awe... Remember Karl?... Even this second aspect is not seen in your design...
      Thirdly, the internal mechanism or operation is very unique in BW and has no reference anywhere to match it... An artful arrangement and an artful motion, too... This is absent in your design altogether...

      The Bessler poem simply does not gel with your design at all... See how Bessler used dog, cat, mouse and peacock to describe the secret movement... We simply can't ignore all this dear...can we?...

      And finally, it is over a year now since we you published and we fall to see any takers...

      If what you claim is correct, first of all you wouldn't have made it public... You would have built the wheel yourself... please don't misunderstand me or take offense... Your drawing is not even worth a second look... It is nowhere near to the truth... You are not being a professional Ken... Your claims are so absurd and makes one think silly of you... Please don't mind my language... I am saying all this from the bottom of my heart... You are making yourself a fool everytime you refer to your efforts... Mostly, I feel rather feel sorry about you...

      Actually, its not what you believe... tell me who has supported you about your claims so far... JC sir has outrightly rejected it numerous times... Still you keep harping about it... I can only pray for you... May the almighty give you good sense and....

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    3. SK, every time we read one of your posts we all "gasp in awe" at how many words you can use to say virtually nothing! You keep telling everyone here how simple Bessler's wheels were. Fine. If you actually know his design, then where is it? Looking back over your past posts, you keep repeating the same message over and over and over again yet show nothing. Ten years from now if you're still alive no doubt you will be right here telling everyone how simple B's wheels were. You are like an old phonograph needle that got stuck in a groove of a record and keeps playing the same monotonous tune over and over again. If you don't like John's, Ken's, or anyone else's wheels, then let's see what YOU have that is better. If you cannot show that then nothing you say about their wheels has any validity. You're just that "irrelevant blabber" that anon 14:25 described you as earlier in this blog.

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    4. SK your comments are untrue and outright laughable from factual basis. You should be the one praying to god for forgiveness.

      First you say the BW mechanism is extremely simple. You have NO direct knowledge of the mechanism, you have not deciphered AP or any of Bessler's works, and you have no runner, so this comment alone casts doubt on anything you say.

      Second, you non-factually tie simplicity to Bessler's wheel, then outright compare it to Ken's design.

      Third, you refer to Bessler's poem as a guide to the design. I don't think JC even does this, and again, you attempt to make something true when no facts point to this.

      Fourth, you say that after a year, because no one has published any statements supporting Ken's design in this blog, that serves as proof as to the illegitimacy of the design.

      Fifth, because Ken releases his design, that somehow disqualifies the design, when JC promises to do the same.

      Sixth, you state Ken makes himself look or sound like a fool when he refers to the device, as if you know the design, which we all know is not true.

      and finally Seventh, you say because JC does not support Ken, this is enough to substantiate your comments as fact, when JC himself made years of statements and promises, and what we finally get, was a non runner that matched nothing in BW's works.

      Really SK, you should be ashamed of yourself, but you do play the role of a troll very well. Too bad that is all you have going for yourself.

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  14. A pm machine (in a closed system) should equally perform on earth as well as in space in zero gravity conditions... Then it can be concluded if it violates any law imo...

    Bessler Wheel is unique in the sense it is able to perform by using different advantages of various forces involved when some heavy objects are in synchronous motion in Gravity's presence... The key here is in its unique designing...

    Let me also say here that this unique design is not available completely in any coded form nor it can be obtained through constant simming... It is possible only through out of the box thinking... By intense and focussed thought experiment... the needle is certainly in the haystack...and, it will take a lot of mental effort by all means...

    Gravity is constantly consumed... But, this is only a part of the story... There are other factors that come into play in supporting the motion... The weights and the levers are the main players... Their proper designing and unique arrangement matters a lot... So far, this is not understood well... Hence, all this delay and confusion...

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  17. JC sir...

    It fails me to learn that you don't trust numerology... This is your birth month... Let us see what numerology reveals about you...

    Lo Shu Grid numerology is a Chinese concept entirely... Very precise and accurate predictions can be observed here... This grid is basically a square which has nine equal squares within... Three squares in each row and there are three rows either horizontal or vertical... The nine numbers from 1 to 9 can be accommodated in this grid... As per a set pattern... By the way, each number is linked or corresponds to a planet...

    When your date of birth is arranged in it the following can be known...

    The top horizontal row is the mental plane... The numbers 492 from your dob completes it... It says that you possess extraordinary mental cababilities... Very genius, highly intelligent and different thinking... You have a logical reasoning and a very sharp memory too... You also possess high educational skills... You are also very wise... You conduct research in depth...

    The numbers 951 from your dob also fits into the middle vertical row which is the Will plane... This is a symbol of success, you are a fighter having the best bounce back capabilities wherever you fail, such persons are very victorious, contentment, such attitude propels you to success, it is difficult to make out from your face if you are depressed because you always look the same in any situation, your will power is mind boggling... Success is not very far... You just need to wait it out till success falls unto your lap...

    Famous personality bearing this mental plane is Stephen Hawking...

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    1. For the confused here's a short video that explains the Lo Shu Grid and how it is used. It's from ancient China. A turtle came up out of a river one day and they saw on its back that it had a grid pattern made up of squares. There were some dots in each of squares and they summed up to 15 horizontally, vertically, and diagonally. Everyone got excited over it and turned into a form of numerology. You use your birth date digits and if there are three of them in any row, column, or diagonal, that is supposed to tell you something about your personality. You can also use your birth date to get a "personality number" and a "destiny number" that will give you more information.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RJhEUkLIYU

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    2. Thank you Suresh and anon 13.52. Even though I distrust numerology I would be pleased to be wrong. Like many people I read the astrology predictions in newspapers and dismiss them if they are negative and like them if they are positive.

      If SoS’s predictions come true then I will seriously consider changing my opinion of numerology. Thanks guys,

      JC

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    3. "It says that you possess extraordinary mental cababilities... Very genius, highly intelligent and different thinking..."

      With all of that ego stroking being provided by it, something tells me John's going to become a big believer in Chinese Lu Shu numerology!

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    5. Don't forget that magic square on the wall of the building in Albrecht Durer's "Melencolia I". But, the four numbers in each of its rows, columns, and diagonals sum to 34 instead of 15.

      https://cdn.britannica.com/01/95801-050-016E4D5C/Melencolia-I-paper-Albrecht-Durer.jpg

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    7. Thanks for that link anon 03:19.

      The meanings of the many symbols in that picture by Durer are a real mystery that have perplexed art historians for centuries since the artist never explained them. The big angel looks frustrated. I think she's trying to make sense of our world using geometry and reasoning, but is having trouble doing that. Maybe all of the crafting tools around her are symbols of humanity's constant attempts to use any knowledge it gains to improve life and make it easier for everyone? The theme of the picture seems to be frustration which can then lead to "melancholia" or what we now call depression (as regularly happens to pm chasers). Notice that syringe like thing in the lower right corner? It was called a "clyster". It was used to relieve constipation back then (I leave it to everyone's imagination how it was used!). Nothing more frustrating than constipation! Thank God for Miralax!

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    9. I'd like to see what SoS has to say about this engraving. If you see this SoS, then please give us some of your analysis on it.

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    10. @anon 18:22

      I am familiar with the many symbols in Durer's engraving of 1514. But, I don't think they have anything to do with the search for pm. Sorry if that is what you were hoping I'd find.

      I think the real message of his image is a religious one. The female angel is not writing anything, but merely playing with a pair of dividers to pass time and the book in her lap is actually closed, latched, and not yet ready to be opened. She's not depressed or frustrated, imo, but rather just bored. She's waiting for something to happen. The little cherub to her left looks like he's drawing on some sort of chalkboard and is also bored and just passing time waiting for something to happen.

      That something is the probably the promised Second Coming of Jesus at the end of the world which seems to be drawing closer. You can see the symbol of time running out which is the large hourglass over her head. When the sand is gone, the bell will sound, Jesus will return, and the final judgement will take place to determine who the good Christians worthy of being saved are. That coming judgement is symbolized by the double pan balance over the cherub's head.

      Those judged to be good, represented by the people of the town in the distance, will then be able to finally ascend to the seventh level of Heaven to be with God as the Earth is destroyed behind them. That ascent is symbolized by the ladder which has seven steps on it of which the top one and bottom two are hard to see. There are also symbols of Jesus below the angel such as some of the carpentry tools of his early trade and even the four nails used to later crucify him. The rows and columns of the magic square on the wall of the building all sum to 34 which may have been the age of Jesus when he was crucified.

      The end of the world is symbolized by the comet or meteor in the distance that is hurling down toward the town. Since ancient times comets have been considered to be omens of bad things to come. But the people in the town judged to be good people will all be saved and allowed to join God in Heaven. That is suggested by the town being framed by the ladder's pieces which could be used to ascend to the top of the building's unseen roof that symbolizes the seventh level of Heaven where God dwells and which we cannot see while on Earth.

      Note the huge carved stone at the bottom of the ladder. Its seven sides not in contact with the ground could represent the Seven Deadly Sins that can, if unrepented, prevent one from reaching and ascending the ladder to escape the end of the world when Jesus arrives to pass final judgment on humanity. There is a crucible heated in a pot of hot coals behind and to the left of the huge stone. I suspect that it's a symbol for the alchemists' efforts to turn lead into gold and is therefore a symbol for people who only want to get rich and couldn't care less about God or religion. Their unrepented sin of avarice or greed will doom them to perish along with the Earth and the other evil people still on it at that time. The flames under the crucible suggest they will all be burned up as the Earth is destroyed by fire.

      Anyway, these are my best guesses as to Durer's symbolism in his engraving and I'm sure that are others that are also possible. Artists tend to like to make creations which will have different meanings to different people. Durer definitely achieved that goal with this one.

      Sayer of Sooths

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    11. Your "best guesses" about those Durer symbols are really good ones, SoS.

      It's thought that 22 years before making his "Melencolia I" picture in 1514 Durer actually witnessed a large fireball explode in the sky after which a 280 pound stoney fragment of it crashed to Earth in Alsace, France in November of 1492 and buried itself in a hole in a field five feet deep. The explosion was heard by hundreds of people in a radius of about 80 miles around the village of Ensisheim, Alsace. It was a dramatic event and probably where Durer got the idea for the doomday comet or meteor in his engraving. Here's an image of a smaller piece of that meteorite on display in a museum:

      https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/1206/02/ensisheim-meteorite-fell-7-november_1_77bbfb254244831675ec6db436a80e54.jpg

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