Friday, 11 March 2022

Johann Bessler’s Perpetual Motion Needs a Paradigm Shift

Some people who visit this blog may be tempted to dismiss our whole raison d'être because they don’t know why we might even wish to be promoting such an apparently long-discarded theory of science.  The fact is that this old and hoary theory has been so resoundingly denounced, trampled on and blown out of the water, that anyone who raises the merest possibility that some form of practical perpetual motion might be possible is regarded with scorn, pity or utter contempt,  I know, I’ve been there!

But amazingly there is strong but circumstantial evidence that actually a continuously rotating device, powered only by the falling of a succession of weights mounted in a particular configuration upon a wheel, for instance, is possible.  But even more amazingly it was invented and exhibited to the public for more than ten years, over three hundred years ago!

Some of you who read this will be sceptical and I don’t blame you.  You have been taught that this device is impossible and this has become an embedded tradition which has continued for more than the 300 years since before Johann Bessler first revealed his invention. Even then he had to fight the scientific institutions to try to prove his machine was genuine and nothing has changed.

I have spent my whole life researching this man’s claims, and I’ve self-published five books, one a biography about him and the other four are translations of his own publications.  

The fascinating thing is that Johann Bessler suspected that he might never be able to sell his machine and he wrote that he would accept acknowledgement for inventing a real machine, posthumously, if he failed to be recognised in his lifetime.  To this end he left an incredible collection of coded information with which he intended to reveal his secret mechanism.  I have made great advances in finding and deciphering much of this hidden information, in fact I know enough to know exactly how his machine worked.  My intention is to reveal everything I’ve discovered in the hope that someone will use it to build the first replica of Bessler’s wheel in over 300 years.  I would prefer to build it first, partly for my own satisfaction, but also because I fear that simply publishing the solution, explaining the clues and what they mean, may result in it being simply ignored and disregarded like many other publications which call into question assumptions deeply lodged within the subconscious.  Ones mind is constantly filtering and bringing to your attention information and stimuli that affirms your preexisting beliefs (known in psychology as confirmation bias) as well as presenting you with repeated thoughts and impulses that mimic and mirror that which you've done in the past.

To change this paradigm will take more than a book of explanation.There has to be a working demonstration model to accompany the publication. 

One more thing - when Karl the Landgrave of Hesse was shown the interior of Bessler’s wheel, he expressed surprise at how simple it was and marvelled that no one had discovered the secret before.  When I finally learned the secret, I too was shocked that neither I nor anyone else had found it.  It really is so simple that you can understand it as soon as you see it. Nevertheless, I’m going to prove it first before I release the details.

JC


74 comments:

  1. 'When I finally learned the secret' - Yeah right, Dream on

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    1. What keeps you from doing any better?

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    2. Nothing because I know everything, Collins does not know the secret.

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  2. Believing that Bessler was successful nullifies todays institutional knowledge that it is impossible - you effectively start with neither a discount, nor a penalty.

    1. You can use your own creative abilities and intelligence, and design and build your own "runner". Completely independent, separate, and not influenced at all by the Bessler story.

    2. You can read many of the works on Bessler, ruminate on them, and then build your own runner. If successful you may be able to reflect on the Bessler story and pin point some or all of the key clues he gave from being able to retrospectively identify them compared to your runner.

    3. You may study many or all of the Bessler works. Identify and chase down what you consider are leads or clues, and from that basis build a runner. This would be a Bessler clue driven solution. The inference perhaps is that those who spend longest at it should have an advantage i.e. be closer to a solution from a prior process of more eliminations.

    The reality is that not many in this filed of gravity wheels have not heard of Bessler and his story.

    The question is how influenced are you by it ? - from hardly at all, to I solved most or all of the clues and built a runner from them, in that order.

    JC has spent longer than most (alive today) attempting to decipher what he considers are important and relevant clues to a Bessler runner. He has put in the time and effort and perhaps from his hard work and persistence he has done so !

    Good luck JC ..

    -f

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    1. Thanks fletch. I understand the sceptics, I’ve felt the same about numerous other claims unconnected with Bessler, but until I test my beliefs with a build I cannot know, with complete certainty, that I’m right. I’m still in between homes but we are getting there, and when I do get my workshop then I’ll know and so will you all.

      JC

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  3. Keep it up. I support your view, and the many years of great/hard work of documenting a true and forgotten story. A very important story!

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  4. John, it's because of you that I started looking, I didn't know Bessler before, I know a little more now, lol. but in the Fletcher scale I'm on the step 1). Despite the fact that he is the only human to have succeeded, I am convinced that it is true, despite some shadows...
    So I wouldn't be surprised if you could do it too.
    You have two more chances, what you know from your research and what the researchers have shown you, you already know what not to do. :)
    The best for the future.

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    1. Thanks Øystein and thx4. Hopefully….we move in to our house by the end of May, and then I can start to build my latest and last wheel. 🤞. JC

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  5. "When I finally learned the secret, I too was shocked...It really is so simple that you can understand it as soon as you see it."

    We all heard this same tune from John just before he unveiled his much anticipated "Bessler - Collins Gravity Wheel" back in September of 2020. It turned out to just be a pile of parts that couldn't get out of their own way and an accurate sim made shortly afterward by a bwf member named "Wubbly" showed it was totally unworkable no matter how much it was tweaked. That painful affair showed everyone how delusional someone can become due to overexposure to the details of the Bessler story which is really more like the Bessler CURSE!

    "Nevertheless, I’m going to prove it first before I release the details."

    Lol! "Prove it?" No, he never will actually "prove" anything. Anything he tries to build will always be incomplete in some way and forever needing a few minor adjustments to get it working. Also don't expect him to ever reveal anything publicly or to allow any design he cooks up to be simmed by anybody because that bad experience he had back in 2020 taught him NEVER to do that again.

    But, at least he can be credited with having made fairly good English translations of Bessler's various books available so that more details of the Bessler wheels and the tests done with them back then would be readily available to serious Bessler researchers. That's a significant achievement even if he never does "prove" he's found Bessler's secret design. .

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  6. The bitterness shows through Anon 20:41.

    "When I finally learned the secret, I too was shocked that neither I nor anyone else had found it. It really is so simple that you can understand it as soon as you see it. Nevertheless, I’m going to prove it first before I release the details.

    JC"

    John's very positive statements leave no room for doubt in his mind. He has entered the final stages of his research with a confirmation build to come shortly as icing on the cake. We all want to sit at that table, no matter who is successful. Until then we press on with our own research and double our efforts so that someone one day soon solves this mystery, and ends the misery, for Anon 20:41.

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  7. We all have our own shortcomings... There's no point in critizing anyone on this platform...

    The main problem is that when a hardfact is stated there are simply no takers here... And, this is what I feel is bein foolhardy...

    JC sir keeps on insisting that he has to first test his prototype before he can be sure that it works... No matter how you convince him...

    Well, in actuality, it is not so... This is one of my greatest and most critical findings... I must say that Ken is right here... JC sir is not yet aware of the actual secret design...

    You DON'T have to build it first to know that it would work... When that intuition strikes it is like the apple falling on the head...

    Such is the design... You just have to figure out one mechanism right...

    Everybody is not born to invent the BW... An understanding and realization of how gravity works took several great men like Newton sir, Einstein sir, etc... And still, things are not very clear...

    BW does not operate by gravity alone... however, its design has to gel with gravity...

    BW secretly draws power from another natural source... And until one identifies that he is nowhere closer...

    JC sir was instrumental in helping me know this when he stated that gravity was an enabler...

    BW secretly draws that booster power from a different natural source and until that is identified things will ever remain as mystery...

    Thirdly, the design is too simple... See how bessler was afraid of revealing before the payment was made...

    Fourthly, five mechanism idea is not the actual solution... I am very sure about this...

    Fifthly, one must rely on the simple clues in the poem and not sophisticated codes...

    The way JC sir keeps describing the design tells me he isn't anywhere closer... And that's for sure...

    Sorry about all this...

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    1. I expect most of you have probably experienced this, when you believe that you have the answer it is difficult not to go public with the news! I’ve been guilty of that a few times in the past and been proved wrong in the end, which is why I won’t give details until I’ve made a model which really works. I should remain tight-lipped and say nothing about my hopes but it is difficult when you are full of excitement and convinced that you have the answer after so many years. I shall try to rein in my enthusiasm for now and await the results of my building.

      JC

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  8. Good luck John Collins! I for one would love to be rid of it-------------Sam

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  9. One can keep on writing on bessler wheel and there'll be no end to it... This has been happening for more than 300 years...

    Why so?...

    I think that at some point one goes offtrack... A natural approach is required... If one first reads about bessler and then starts the investigation then it could take a very lony time...

    Einstein differed from Newtown because his approach was natural... People followed Newton blindly for about 200 years and that is why the real understanding of gravity evaded us...

    And, now, if we follow Einstein blindly we will never come to know gravity fully...

    The point to learn here is that an independent approach is mandatory...

    There are some here who blindly support JC sir's theory... One fails to see that he is a bessler expert not a BESSLER WHEEL expert...

    Despite his technical background he couldn't build one successfully... And we have been his followers all the while...

    I lack practical building skills hence the delay... I don't lack genuine understanding of the wheel secret...

    BW is possible...
    Bessler was genuine...
    Bessler wheel uses a secondary energy source as well...
    BW design has to be designed keeping this in mind and not just Gravity alone...
    The hints provided by onlookers or observers and other literature like the poem offer more realistic clues than imaginary codes...
    Intense mental focusing and thought experiment practice can lead to success and not simming or chasing embedded codes...
    A fixed Idea that only five mechanism wheel would work will not help...
    If our thoughts about BW correspond to the hints in the poem one can be sure that he is on the right track...
    We can understand one thing very clearly from Karl that it is just no one has thought of it before the way bessler did...
    The internal arrangement has to be symmetrical or artistic in appearance...
    All the mechanisms have to be of the same proportions...
    Odd number of mechanisms won't work...
    Never resort to simming as always harped by Ken...
    It is a process of success obtained purely through intuition s...
    Business like approach won't help...
    Genuine compassion and concerns for the welfare of the planet and the needy ones will definitely support...
    Greed, ratrace, cunningness, cheating, etc can greatly hinder the progress...
    A good understanding of basic physics is required...
    Gravity helps in bringing down objects already raised and we have to work out how to reinstate or raise the weights for gravity to act again...
    This is where the second energy source come into play...
    I call this the booster shot which is required at every turn...

    Please share, like and comment if you feel that this contribution could help demystify and kindly desist from supporting blindly...

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    1. Thank you Suresh for your comments, they are always welcome, although I don’t necessarily agree with you. It might be advisable for you to consider that my belief in having found Bessler’s solution is based on solid evidence and not idle or ignorant speculation. It will be published at some point this year.

      You make some valid points about Bessler’s wheel, but the information I have obtained means that when I publish it, in some cases your statements will be found to be incorrect. I understand why this may be so, because I have released no useful information so far, based on what I know.

      In my opinion there is no need to introduce an additional source of energy such as you describe - your booster shot, ingenious as the idea is.

      But keep commenting Suresh, I enjoy reading all comments.

      JC

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  10. Can anyone tell where in a home a running Bessler wheel can be placed in such a way that it doesn't occupy prime space?...

    I mean a space saving idea...

    Let me see who provides the most innovative idea...

    JC sir should try this first...

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  11. Suresh, Get rid of the TV and set it there---------------------Sam

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  12. There is a more appropriate place for BW in a home... occupying a very negligible place...

    Where can that be?...

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  13. Yes! I would use a blank wall outside then add an extra wall alongside with a roof to house it.I think that is the cheapest way to go about it.

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  14. Good Trevor... I agree that several very slim bessler wheels could be housed in many walls... This way it not only goes to save space but would also remain hidden performing silently... There couldn't be a better answer than this...

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    1. Interesting question Suresh, but your homes may be different to ours. We wouldn’t place BW inside or near the house because of noise and weight, so it would be in the garden (back yard).

      JC

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  15. I agree sir... I think BWs could be built slimmer and made to perform more silently... You don't even need to have a false wall... Any wall could have a BW inbuilt into it...

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    1. I agree Suresh, BWs could be made to operate silently but you still need an electricity generator to produce the electricity to power the house. I think it could take up more room than we might anticipate?

      JC

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  16. Yes sir...I feel that Compared to other renewable energy machines BWs can be housed in a more unobtrusive manner in homes... future electric generators may come in more compact sizes and they could be accommodated in underground enclosures or in the terraces...

    The thick walls in a house can easily contain the main BW unit...

    During his time bessler used crude ways to construct his wheels... Things were bulky and crude... Compactness was not the trend then... things have changed a lot... Our times are different... miniaturisation is rampant...anything is possible now...we also have newer material now, don't we?...we live in better times...

    A BW power generation system should also work out to be cheaper, durable and more efficient than say a wind or a solar energy system... The main advantage it being operational 24/7... come sun or rain... And, least affected by tornado problems...
    I think that it would also workout to be environment friendly too, comparatively...

    What a boon it would be if we could have it now... but what I think is that we might not see this happening in this year, too... We are not aware who is more close to building one... even I am reeling under the aftermath of shifting my residence... not settled well... I lack building skills... also, I have become much more lazy... So many newspapers still remain unread... Finally, I have to throw them away... Laziness is like a parasite...
    If I can only get rid of this procrasting habit...



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    1. Procrastination is my problem too Suresh, but my advancing age lends urgency to my determination to finish this task, I hope to enjoy many more years of health but you never know what lies around the next corner.

      JC

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  17. If your generator produces as much 900 watts it can be detected from orbit, it needs to be under 500 watts, to power a home more than one bessler wheel would be needed powering small generators even then you cannot use powerful electrical utilities, they can see a toaster from orbit with technology they have and they will come for you if they detect you are off-grid with free energy.

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  18. Tell me, why didn't they come after solar energy generation system?...

    I thit this could be an unfounded fear...

    Let them come... We should be quick enough to spread the news and information of BW... I think we can easily outsmart them...

    This is info age...

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    1. Yes let them come, once the genie is out of the bottle, you can’t put it back, and it will be out that’s a certainty.

      JC

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  19. If it was shockingly simple, it could be published and built by anyone in a day. Anyone who claims such has several ways of doing so, including with a friend with enough space. But keep on if you must.
    The one way vs. two way wheels' operation is throwing you all off the scent as I mentioned in the two way wheel entry. Uneven weight distribution is a result of the reason they rotated. They didn't need weights. That was the best way to trick the observers.

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  20. Jeff... Yes, it is shockingly simple... Weights are a must whether in the one-way or both ways... also, the mechanism or the basic design remains the same for both wheels...

    Jeff... you don't seem to understand that the friend with a space could also steal or leak the secret... depriving the inventor of his life's dream...

    Only a true besslerian would understand all this...

    Let me tell you... 99 percent besslerians aren't actually aware of the real secret... It has nothing to do with the one way or two way wheels... The basic secret is the same...

    Then what actually prevents that one percent to build the wheel?...

    I have said this many times before...

    The time is not ripe yet...
    One goes through good and bad phases...
    Karma plays a great role...
    The right environment and auspicious time is required for anything significant to happen...
    Resource is another factor...
    Building skills is quite another...
    Despite all this there is always the risk of losing the secret at any phase...
    Have you forgotten what happened to bessler?...
    Even he faced so much hardship...
    It is easy for you to comment like this...
    Practically, things are different dear...

    Right now, I can guarantee you the bw within 10 days if you are willing to join me...
    Are you ready? Is this not easy?...

    But why is this not happening?...

    Everyone here has his own way...

    No one listens or understands others...
    I can go on and on here...
    What is the use?...
    After some time another would also come up with the same question...

    Just think of bessler and what he had to face?...

    Good day...

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  21. thank you for reminding us of some of the excuses besslerians resort to when their claims are bogus. I'll pass on your offer; if it took 10 days your claim is obviously bogus as well.

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    1. Jeff. Some people do make bogus claims, but most, I believe are sincere but so far wrong, as I have been in the past. I am confident that I have the correct design but because I’ve been wrong before I’m going to prove I’m right before I publish anything.

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    2. John, confidence is good but as we know premature claims are one of the reasons why claimants are "regarded with scorn, pity or utter contempt, I know, I’ve been there!"
      We're all looking forward to the big reveal, working or not. Emphasis on not because I remain a skeptic when you say it can't be built in some form before your move. It can't be that simple if that's the case, and if not, well.

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  22. There are some that make bogus claims of runners, who are completely insincere and on some sort of ego trip - psychiatrists have many names for them.

    Some sincerely believe they will have the mechanical solution to building a runner. But they don't know how to describe its impending success in Classical Physics terms. Nevertheless they want to share the good news straight away.

    Some sincerely believe they have the mechanical solution to building a runner. And they believe they know how to describe its impending success in Classical Physics terms. However, they follow the objective scientific method of hypothesis, experiments, conclusions, and a physical proof-of-principle build, in preference to spruiking and prophesy.

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  23. While John keeps talking about how he's planning to publish the secret of Bessler's wheels "someday"...but only AFTER and IF he finally proves it...it looks like Ken B has been busy publishing his ideas TODAY!

    A friend found and sent me the link at the bottom. I don't think it has anything to do with Bessler or his wheels though. It's some sort of giant science or physics book Ken just published. The ebook version is 970 pages long but he managed to squeeze the hardcover one down to a mere 547 pages!.

    Notice the publication date on the hardcover one of 02/22/2020. That's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence, imo. He must have carefully planned it that way for some reason like maybe having good luck with the sales or his ideas? If publishing books was electrical power, Ken would be a walking dynamo! Lol!

    https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Alternative-Science-Revolution/dp/B09T369HZC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1FUHEM3NYOA3T&keywords=The+Coming+Alternative+Science+Revolution+by+Kenneth+W.+Behrendt&qid=1646161043&s=books&sprefix=the+coming+alternative+science+revolution+by+kenneth+w.+behrendt%2Cstripbooks%2C551&sr=1-1

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    1. Oops, sorry...wrong publishing date for Ken's hardcover. It's 02/22/2022

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    2. Thanks for that link, anon 23:47. I didn't know Ken had a new book out. I have the soft covers of all of his previous books and will also get the soft cover of this one to add to my collection.

      I wish he would do another book on Bessler and his wheels but I guess he's said as much about them as he could and is moving on to other subjects that interest him. I agree that he is a "dynamo". Someone told me they call him "Ken the Great" over on the BW forum. I can see why!

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  24. John I'm very enthusiast of Overunity machines and mainly Bessler wheels because the history looks very solid. Let's suppose that Bessler really succeed and made a working wheel... at that time he didn't have the tools to answer scientifically how that works. He made the wheel empirically.

    Please don't get me wrong, it's not personal but I will ask as the devil attorney.

    Don't you think that today IF a wheel would be really possible to be an Overunity we would already not dicovered that? I mean... we are in the age of solving big problems in computers.

    Besides that how a working wheel would be explained scientifically? Where the energy would come from? Gravity energy? Zero-point energy?

    And finally, would not be easier today to formulate a theory before go to build a wheel?

    I'm not asking these questions to make you give up John I really would like to know your thoughts about all this.

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    1. Lipe, you must be one of those who think the world is run by angelic fairy people .

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    2. Why? Arguments please.

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    3. Lippe, firstly you assume that Bessler “ didn't have the tools to answer scientifically how that works. He made the wheel empirically.” I’m not sure I agree with that statement, he knew what he was doing and worked out the secret of his wheel, and anyway we all attempt to duplicate his wheel empirically, because we have been taught that it is impossible.

      Secondly I have never suggested that his wheel was an Over-unity device. They are supposed to produce more energy than it receives as input which is impossible are are simply perpetual motion devices under a different name.

      Bessler makes it clear where the motion comes from, falling weights. You will have to await my publication to find out how..

      Lastly, surely you don’t think that asking MeV such questions would make me give up, I’ve been responding to the same questions for more than 50 years!😀

      JC

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    4. John again please don't get me wrong, I'm your fan! I really want this to work but I'm still asking as the devil attorney.

      In 17XX, when Bessler built the first wheels The universal law of gravitation was arealdy published by Newton. Since you think that wheels was not empirical built... do you think Bessler hid the theory behind the wheel as he hid the secret mechanism that make it run?

      I see that you are a very "hands on"(practical) researcher but your really think that we can "trick the gravity" to get energy from it? I'm sorry but you really need a great theory to beat the mainstrean that is discovered centuries ago and is still valid today.

      With the theory alone to explain the wheel, Bessler would become one of the greatest physicist of all time. Don't you think?

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  25. Good to see you are still pushing Gravittea
    Suresh i am ready, lets build this together

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  26. There is no conservation of energy because there is nothing to conserve. I don't think Bessler left us any clue, but I think it would be useful to think about what a boomerang does.
    A++

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  27. Gravittea... Nice to hear from you after so many days...I am thrilled to know you are ready to join me... This is an offer I truly can't and shouldn't resist... It also shows the trust you have in me... I am grateful to you for all this...

    There are only two guys here I think who really have faith in me... And are also polite... See how Jeff reacts...

    One is rolling and then it is yourself...

    However, there are certain things we need to sort out... Just formalities... To make sure that there is no loss to either of us in the venture...

    We are going to bring a New thing into this world and it is really a serious matter...

    I am so happy that atleast there are two souls who sincerely think I have the solution...

    I have invested about thirty years or so in this project... My problem is the building skills not the wheel secret...

    I would like to know what makes you think that I actually possess the secret...

    If JC sir had decided to rope me in this world would have had a New renewable energy device...ten years ago...

    The problem with JC sir is that he may be the real expert on bessler and his life but when it comes to the wheel secret he takes us all for a very long ride... So long that many either drop out along the route or simply perish... his journey is never ending... quite disappointing... Can you tell me what you think about JC sir or am I wrong... I believe in speaking out what I really feel... I never misguide or even think of cheating someone... I believe in being open... come what may...
    I must admit that jc sir has done a good job in maintaining this blog... despite so much of hardship... We cannot be like him... I have come to learn certain things here...

    In Ken's case, it is a different story altogether... He published whatever he knew... Didn't take us on a long ride...he should stop acting stupid...

    You differ from jc sir... You know what is right... Tell me why you were not active all these days... Were you busy building the wheel?...

    Lipe has raised many concerns... I think his approach his sincere... JC sir has replied well but I think he has not understood lipe thoroughly...

    This is the problem with most of us... We misunderstand people... Tell me how can then one understand a profound matter like BW...

    I think SG also has misunderstood JC sir a bit... He should realise this and join us back...

    SG... Are you listening?... Pls respond...

    This is a wonderful journey... Half my life has gone into it and I am very satisfied...

    Lipe... Your points are very interesting... I am


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  28. thankful you raised them...

    I am not so much qualified... I don't even know what an overunity thing means... Or zero point, for that matter...

    Bessler's approach was natural... And, this is what is required... If you are too knowledgeable you will only complicate things...

    Secondly, at that time the knowledge of gravity was taking birth and this could have had a bearing on bessler... You just got to understand that gravity causes things to fall... Then find a solution how to raise the falling weights... There is a wonderful unique way... It is a bit tricky and it employs tricks... It is achievable provided one has the required patience and Passion... Bessler had both... He had the building skills too... He didn't have to wait for a person like gravittea for help...

    Regarding the energy source...

    See, basically it is the gravity...and About three further tricks are involved to get the act right... It is like a game being played.. we use tools to lift heavy objects...so it is clear that a lever can lift a heavy object... Bessler used levers... It is as simple as that... the heavy objects are the weights... What makes the levers to work?... the weights due to gravity... but, in order to get this act right bessler found that there is a wonderful and unique way... This is possible only when the levers and weights perform in a unique way... For this to happen an unique designing is necessary... Like the one NASA did in the shuttles... The robotic arm...

    It is all about the DESIGNING and their ARRANGEMENTS that makes the magic happen... Things start acting in an automated way...one weight helping lift the other... here is the place where an unique concept performs an even unique act... Karl was right... Artistic arrangement...

    Then why no one else has thought of it before?...

    There are many reasons for it... The search is
    like finding a needle in the haystack...

    This is not achieveable through computers...

    This invention is actually an ancient one... Crude ways were employed in its development...
    Infact, the World has missed it... That is why it is unbelievable to many...if it has to happen again you need a brain like bessler's...

    I will continue this report in my next comment... There is some memory problem in my device...

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  29. Many people may wonder how a BW is powered...

    The person who doesn't know the answer will find a reason to avoid answering it...

    And the person who knows the answer can't directly reveal the same for fear of losing the secret...

    This matter is so tricky like the tricks employed in making the wheel rotate continuously...

    The simplicity of the mechanism is such that extraordinary alertness or awareness and care needs to be maintained while explaining to others...

    Most often this results in great misunderstandings and the inventor has to bear the brunt...

    How do you explain without giving away much?...

    That's why it is as tricky as the tricks involved...

    Lipe wants to know if gravity can be tricked?...

    Well, I would like to ask if gravity itself has been fully understood by physicists?...

    We know it is not... We can't even clarify if gravitons exist... Can physicists say what makes a large mass bend or curve the space?...

    And, how the space gets curved due to this effect?...

    These things are not clear yet...

    To state that bw works by gravity alone would be too unbelievable at this stage...though it might be true...

    A true person who really knows how BW works can throw some light on this by taking some calculated risk...

    JC sir initially insisted it to be gravity but keeps updating it... He feels gravity is the enabler... He could be fully or atleast partly right and people will still be confused till he becomes firm in his stand...

    Contd...

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  30. We all know that anything raised has gravity potential energy... The question here is how to raise the weights in the first place...

    Here we need to understand that several weights are employed and atleast two or three remain in elevated positions by the virtue of initial arrangement... And this sets off the movement of rotation... This is followed by the first secret trick and another... This secret will not be a secret after the great revelation... A shortcut by using swing mode and two more ingenious ways, which is a result of something related to special designing, make the wondrous movement possible... Newton's third law advantage is used in an ingenious way to accomplish the achievement...

    It would be easier to go for the build first and leave the rest for the world to explore...

    Since a unique designing and a special arrangement is all there is to it it won't be difficult for anyone to Guess how the wheel is powered...

    Clever use of lever principles...
    Swinging advantage...
    One more secret design... Is all that make the movement possible...

    Gravity and Newton's third law of motion... Power the wheel...

    Lipe... Are you convinced now?...

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    1. Hi Suresh, thank you for tryin to explain. I'm just a software developer and my understanding of physics is basic.

      I'm just trying to use common sense here. We(and I put myself in) are trying to hack(trick) some centuries old physics laws that nobody could disprove yet.

      It's very easy to say, let's try to make a mechanism to trick the physics laws and produce excess energy right?

      I'm sorry Suresh... I'm not a physicist but please let's use common sense, if we simple say that bessler wheel is possible without a theory is very easy. Simple throw centuries old Isaac Newton work in the garbage and you will be the new Einstein.

      What I'm saying is that we need at least a theory to get started... and unfortunately we don't have :(

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    2. Gravity wheel theory. It's hardly a secret; it's been known for hundreds of years. If the weights shift in on the up side and out on the down side the wheel will turn. It's just that scientists are too stupide to figure out how to do that. So, they simply say it's impossible------------------Sam

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    3. Sam... I agree... but we won't be able to convince anyone just by stating this much... We would have to come up with a theory as stated by lipe...

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  31. Lipe... You do make valid points and I am amused very much...

    The problem is that the revelation of truth will lead to the secret loss...

    BW is possible... Bessler did it and so can we... Have you noticed the heavenly bodies?...
    They are in perpetual motion...

    You tell me which law is being broken by BW and I will tell you how and why it is not broken... I am ready to answer all your queries...

    Centuries old Newton's explanation of gravity was broken by Eintein's explanation, wasn't it?...

    If we come up with a theory for BW before building the same then it can be easily copied by anyone...

    Please let me know gradually, one by one, what is it that you find difficult to digest regarding BW... I will try my best to clear the same today itself...

    Ask simple questions one after another... rather than going for the entire theory straightaway...

    Please remember that I am not qualified like you but I know how BW works...

    I will make this more clear today itself... I am also too fed up with the way JC sir is dodging... You can't fool all the people all the time...things have been dragged too long...

    Now brace up and shoot your questions... I am ready to take a little more risk...

    I am grateful to you for taking up this matter... I am also happy that you are so polite which many people lack here...

    Did you notice how Jeff reacted to my offer?...

    You are a nice character...

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  32. I know the secret of Bessler’s wheel as well. But it’s too complicated for anyone to understand.

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    1. If you feel that BW operation is too complicated for any one to understand then I feel that the actual secret of BW is not fully understood... Because, the mechanism of BW and the way it operates or works both are too simple in nature...

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  33. ok... Jeff... Let us reduce this complication by getting into a debate right now... And, by the end of the day, I assure you things will be more clear... Are you ready?...

    You start by first stating one by one gradually what are all those points that are not so clear... Let me see if I can do something about it... Otherwise, I am ready to accept defeat... is this fair enough?...

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  34. lipe...physics laws are either being updated or broken from time to time... I agree that some centuries old basic physics laws have stood their ground till now and maybe in future too...

    But in gravity's case things are different...

    There is no complete theory here... What Newton stated was corrected by Einstein... There is still room for improvement here...
    Einstein has made it clear what Gravity is and how it warps the space... But we are still in the dark with regard to how actually gravity is generated and how it really works... I mean we still don't fully know what gravity is...

    We only know that an object with mass exerts some effect on the surrounding space... The hows and whys of it are still a mystery...

    A true besslerian can even shed some light on all this... You may find this difficult to understand... Yes, when the physicists understand how BW operates they'll also know finally how to tap gravity energy in a more direct and efficient way not known before... Further, it would also become more clear how gravity itself works...

    Because I have been constantly pondering on this aspect as well while trying to invent BW... I am thankful to JC sir here... He has also been working on it and was actually responsible to inspire me when he coined the word 'enabler' ...

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  35. Hi Sureshi, let's try law of Conservation of energy. How the wheel would not break it?

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  36. Lipe hey hi... just give me a few minutes... I need to update myself the conservation laws... I'll get back to you...

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  37. Lipe... frankly speaking, I didn't get proper schooling... I was dull... I would often runaway from school and home...

    I just learnt that law of conservation states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed...

    I hope this is what you are referring...

    Let me say that I fully agree with this law...
    It can't be bypassed...

    Weights are the main parts in BW... Which also makes it clear weights need gravity for their movement...so the weights need gravity constantly to fall...

    So we can agree that gravity potential energy is continuously converted into kinetic energy...

    Here no energy is created or destroyed... Just conversion of one form into another...

    So conservation law is not broken in this case...


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  38. Law of energy conservation rules out clearly perpetual motion machines...

    There is a big misunderstanding here...

    The world usually sees BW as a PM...

    This is not correct... BW is not a PM...

    It is just a gravity converter...

    Hence all the confusion...

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  39. BW is not an isolated system... It always feeds on gravity... Since this is not properly understood by physicists no one believes...

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  40. Suresh thank you again for this good discussion... the problem is that gravity only push things down, we will allways have to workout how to push it up and in the end it will be balanced and stop.

    Then you say... I have a mechanism to trick it... intuitively I would say it is possible but if we do a complex mechanism using our brain logic without test, it's very hard to know if it would work or not.

    As a software developer I would find a way to simulate gravity and vetorial kinect in computer... and then try to simulate some wheel designs and compare with real built ones.

    If the simulation match the real life so I would use that to get started. Anyway I don't want to judge the capacity of you doing it in your mind or directly building it. It's just my preferred aproach... as I told you I'm software developer but I never tryed to develop such software.

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    1. @Lipe
      If you are new here you may not be aware that a guy named Ken Behrendt who used to post a lot on the old Bessler wheel forum and also here years ago claims he finally did find the secret of Bessler's wheels back in April of 2018. His design is based on many previously unknown clues he says he found hidden in the two portraits of Bessler in the front of his "Das Triumpherende" book and on many sims he made that prove the design works. He even published a large book to reveal the secret to the world. If you have not seen it yet you should definitely take a look at the youtube video of his turning wheel's weight levers in action that he uploaded years ago. It's an odd design that has convinced some that Bessler's secret really has been found.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nP7KY6_EAM

      Ken thinks that all of the energy Bessler's wheels produced to power different machines came completely from the mass of the atoms in their lead weights and that even if it did not break down because of wear and tear eventually one of his wheels would have to come to a stop when that mass was gone and the weights had no more energy left in them. That could take millions of years to happen though. In other words he says Bessler never actually had truly perpetual motion wheels like everyone thinks they were which could run forever if they didn't breakdown. Just ones that could run for very long times and were not violating any of the physics laws while doing that.

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    2. So what? Where is the wheel? That simulation proves nothing.

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    3. Lipe... Don't question Ken... He can't answer beyond a point... He is actually a book seller... He wouldn't tolerate anything or anyone that would come in his way...

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  41. Suresh, I know I said I welcomed your comments, but if you could rein in your enthusiasm for multiple long comments I would prefer it. I kind of agree with what you write but it’s all old stuff similar to what I’ve written here many times over the years. However it has given me an idea for my next post, so I thank you for giving me the inspiration.

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    1. Suresh has made 22 of the 65 comments here so far or about one out of every three comments! Just when we thought Ken B held the world record for long comments, along comes Suresh to set a new world record! Lol!

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  42. Lipe... Patience is one ingredient that is so much important... I thought of clearing all your doubts just in a day or two... We still haven't touched the core matter yet... We have just begun to demystify an ancient mystery... Already the brickbatting have started coming...

    Do you see how suppression starts happening?...

    There are roadblocks right here in our group... They can't stand anything...

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  43. Lipe... This matter is such that it has to be fought in the mind... Computer simulation is not required...

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  44. Lipe...let's totally avoid bringing in the computer at this stage... I can understand you are a computer expert and your mind is trained accordingly... But, would you agree that natural imagination is better than a computer aided knowledge...
    Do you believe bessler was genuine?...
    Now, tell me didn't bessler succeed just with his mind power?...

    The real trick is to understand how to use gravity both ways...

    Yes, this is possible... Bessler did it... This is not known to others here... This is what the core Idea is all about and already people are ready with the bricks... We haven't even touched the second question yet... I don't know how to go about in this turmoil... We need a free mind and good environment for all this... Too much hostility exists here...

    By the way, where do you stay?... If we can person meet it would just take a few hours to demystify this case...


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  45. Lipe... I really thought that within a day or so we could have a great discussion and make things clear about how BW worked...

    Not only that, I also thought of making it clear how gravity actually worked... I mean how it is generated in the first place because it is linked to BW... Please note that this is not even known to physicists...

    Thirdly, I wanted to also make it clear how BW is powered...

    You will not believe that gravity can help raise the weights too...

    All this and much more and that too in a day or so...

    I have begun to worry now... Criticism has already started before we could dwelve into all this...

    Did I not tell that time is not ripe yet...

    It wasn't so even in bessler's period...

    There will always be someone with brick or a bat...

    Did you observe how an eagle swooped in between...

    Ken landed suddenly with his book...

    He is telling bw gets power from quantum level...

    I am telling you now that gravity can raise an object also... And I have proof...

    It is that we are not allowed to discuss in depth...

    This is not our blog, dear...

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    1. As I have said to others, Suresh, there is no need for long, rambling comments and when I say so, there is no hostility aimed at you or anyone else. As you said, this is not your blog but it is mine, and if I wish to encourage comments and also readers of those comments, then I need to try to retain other people’s interest by trying to keep comments to a more succinct nature.

      I also try to discourage comments of a Hindu or Buddhist nature as that is not a subject which relates to Bessler’s work. I’m sure you disagree but that is my prerogative as the owner of this blog, but if you wish to have your own blog, I’m happy to advertise it here.

      JC

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    2. SK wrote "I am telling you now that gravity can raise an object also... And I have proof...It is that we are not allowed to discuss in depth..."

      Who here is not allowing you to tell us how gravity can raise an object? It is really amazing how you can fill up a blog with so many words and still say nothing! If you actually knew anything of value about B's wheels, it would have been obvious by now after all of these years. But you do not. Everyone here seems to realize that except you!

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