Monday, 12 April 2010

Patent? No thanks.

The subject of patenting has arisen again and I'd still prefer not to patent, assuming I was in a position to consider patenting Bessler's wheel.

I understand the advantages of patenting such an invention, having had them drummed into me constantly by people who are both pro-patent and fully versed in the intricacies of the legal protection system, but there are a couple of disadvantages which to my suspicious mind, outweigh any advantage you care to name.

The first is the expense. Although the total fees only add up to £200 in the UK, there are other costs such as patent agents fees, renewal fees as well as the possible cost of enforcing your patent which will add significantly to this initial cost. I couldn't write it myself so I'd have to pay some patent attorney to do it for me. No, trust me, I couldn't write it for myself. I am reliably informed that it could cost over £30,000 to get patent protection across Europe and further afield; and a simple dispute could cost over £200,000 if not resolved out of court.

Now I know that many will immediately suggest such fears are groundless; "think of the fortune you will be getting! The cost will be peanuts compared to what you will receive," some will say. Although potentially true, there is one small point that has been overlooked and that, or rather she, is my wife. There is no way she is going to allow me to remortgage our home to finance the patenting of a machine whose very existence is denied by science. So that's that.

Then there is the more spooky prospect which I have also been relentlessly warned about. Should I have the temerity to go ahead and make my outrageous patent application despite my beloved's warnings of impending doom, if I decide to follow that route, I have to face the distinct possibility that certain sinister groups, mascarading as gentlemen in dark attire, will pounce upon my patent and seize it and all persons connected with it and bury the lot in some secret location, never to be seen again.

Seriously, there is a mechanism whereby the British government oversees all patent applications to ensure that there is no chance that they might conflict with their interests, with a view to censoring the release of information on the subject. It is a distinct possibility that any government might, for its own purposes - i.e. tax revenue - wish to seek control of such an invention. Such action, however remote the possibility, means that I could not afford to apply for a patent just in case it never sees the light of day. Although I cannot answer for other patent offices in other countries, I am of the opinion that all of them have similar options available to them.

I don't even accept that patenting is the right thing to do in this case. If I succeeded it wouldn't be my invention, but Bessler's. I couldn't have got as far as I have without his help and I shall prove that soon - working wheel or no working wheel.

But the main reason why I wouldn't patent is because such a device needs to be openly discussed and promoted to the whole world. More than enough money would find its way to my bank account for me not to be concerned about losing out on the vast sums of money purported to be mine, should I patent. Books, interviews etc, for a few weeks would more than suffice to replenish the family coffers.

So don't tell me I'd be screwed every-which-way if I didn't patent - its a case of screwed if I do and screwed if I don't!

JC

50 comments:

  1. Hi John,

    Can you tell me when I should be selling my oil company shares? Although I make this comment in jest it does concern me slightly!

    Regards - RM

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  2. JC ;

    the world kind of has you between a rock and a hard place no matter where you turn . either way your going to get screwed . perhaps Clarkie has some input , i'd like to hear his thoughts on it .
    Doc.

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  3. Not any time soon! If you think about it, the shares might just go up because they can charge more for the crude for use in other value-added products such as plastics etc. And the price could rise if they wish to eke out the reserves. On the other hand I know nothing about this kind of thing so don't take my advice! :-)

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  4. I await Clarkie's response. I know he is always very busy and hard to get hold of.

    JC

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  5. John, what you can do against BIG companys. They have 1000 lawerys, millions euros, and time is against you. They crush your rights and take what they want. Forget patent.

    ""Nokia Claims Most Apple Products Violate Its Patents


    The battle between Espoo and Cupertino is heating up: Nokia is now claiming "virtually all" Apple products violate Nokia patents.

    The patent infringement battle between Finland’s Nokia and Apple seems to be taking a dramatic turn, with Nokia now claiming to the U.S. International Trade Commission that “virtually all” Apple products—including iPhones, iPods, and Macintosh computers—violate Nokia patents.""

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  6. For the multinationals, litigation never ends. It is simply part of business.

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  7. John, start counting LOL

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggsZSyy-DiU&feature=related

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  8. 1. YOU HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING THAT'S WORTH PATENTING.
    2. YOU HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING THAT'S WORTH PATENTING.
    3. YOU HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING THAT'S WORTH PATENTING.

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  9. Some people are so jealous it's incredible.

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  10. Coverage of the world's major markets are only useful if you intend to manufacture it yourself and / or sell the rights to do this, wich you don't.

    However, there are many other benefits for which a local patent is quite sufficient.

    Benefits such as the document itself approved and made official by a patent office and the time stamp they've given it. This will be a powerful, and perhaps the only tool to resolve future issues.

    At the top of the page there will always be the first registered patent holder and at the bottom there will be all kinds of interresting footnotes.

    A Sri Lanka patent will due!

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  11. LustInBlack said...
    Some people are so jealous it's incredible.

    13 April 2010 22:06

    Thinking that others are jealous when in fact they are not is a symptom of psychopathy.

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  12. But how would one avoid the possibility of Government censorship, dedicated? The moment the patent is applied for they can slap a 'D' notice on it which effectively buries it - and enforces silence of the applicant.

    JC

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  13. I wonder what's up with www.besslerwheel.com? I guess Scott's dealing with it.

    JC

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  14. John, maybe the best way to bypass the "D" notice, and to ensure some (possible, and only local as per the post of 'Dedicated') patent protection, or at least patent application registration, is to file the (relatively cheap, local) patent application, and immediately, the same day, go viral - put it on the internet. Within hours it will be worldnews and cannot be suppressed anymore - even if the Gov't or vested interests slap a "D" on it, it's already out in the open. This also provides you with some quite effective protection from gentlemen in dark attire, since there's no more secrecy possible and therefore silencing you is pointless. There are other ways as well, like handing it to NASA too, but this should do it quite nicely.

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  15. Anon 04:10 - thinking that you are not jealous while in fact you are is not only a symptom but also proof of psychopathy, as well as schizophrenia. Furthermore, posting useless and unfounded insults without underpinning evidence is a symptom of narcism. You are one hell of a mess.

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  16. Some random person on the internet said :
    Thinking that others are jealous when in fact they are not is a symptom of psychopathy.
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    And I bet you think you are the most intelligent person on earth for saying that.

    That proves one thing, you are a two-digit IQ, unconscious monkey in pants.

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  17. Good thinking Andre - thanks. And thanks to Frederick and Damian.

    JC

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  18. In my opinion you have made the right decision not to patent.

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  19. In my opinion, there is nothing to patent. Even single digit IQs know that.

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  20. Yup - you're right again, nothing to patent.

    JC

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  21. Anonymous said...

    single digit IQs know that.
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    Lol, you realize you said that by your own admission? .. lol

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  22. Being screwed is a good thing John.

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  23. Na, why should we do all the work?

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  24. Well if you wanna do all the work pumping your hips go for it but i want my multiple partners to do it to me. i need a break. i guess you might not have understood when i said getting screwed is a good thing i was making the same joke you did later.

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  25. That's right JC, nothing to patent, because your wheel doesn't work.
    AND, the bonus, it never will.

    Possible "JC Responds:"
    That's right anon, it never will.

    LOLOLOLOLOL

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  26. Shut up bottom anon, from the anon above you.

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  27. Lighten up 'LOLLING' anon. You're way too pessimistic. Anyway you're wrong, I wouldn't have responded like that because that is not what I think. I only agree with you if what you say is accurate.

    Sorry 'screwing' anon - I didn't know which anon was speaking! I agree of course.

    JC

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  28. John, why do you allow anon to post on your blog anyways.. We all know they are kind'a dumb.. I've never read stupid comments like that in my entire life.. I might as well say that these anon are the EPIC-Tards of the Net.. Seriously!

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  29. It seems these anons have rather different forms of perpetual motion in mind. Perhaps that's why they don't want John to patent it.

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  30. Yes I am considering just deleting the boring comments by anons.

    When I started this blog I was aware of the problem of anonymous comments and had decided that as far as possible I would either respond mildly or ignore them. Most bloggers simply delete them although there have been some who have found a way of blocking certain ip addresses, apparently.

    I don't want to use either method really but it must be annoying to receive notificatons of comments added to the blog, only to find that they are the same old boring, repetitive, inaccurate, envy-driven, malicious, time-wasting examples of logorrhea that frequent blogs. Tht's irony, anon!

    I'll consider simply deleting thenm in future.

    JC

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  31. JC Sir, I t appears only a handful seriously exist these days that keep the flag of late bessler flying...we mustn't give it up no matter what the anons say..bessler wheel is possible...It is a gravity converter..If gravity can pull at anything it can very well make a wheel rotate...what is reqd is the sole design that bessler had achieved...yor are doing a great job enliving it..men like you are extremely rare...I fully support you..best wishes...Suresh/india

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  32. "mascarading as gentlemen in dark attire"

    MasQUErading, I believe. Unless they went a bit heavy on the 'mascara'...

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  33. We need a rep bar like on other sites to keep JC "responding mildly".
    "That's stupid anon."

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  34. Anon you have no respect from anybody, so why don't you just STFU.

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  35. There's no greater revenge than success, John. Just keep up the good work and ignore all the rest. I, and I am sure many others here and around the world, do have great respect for your hard work and research, as well as your honesty and openness in the process. It take courage to share all your work with a world full of (pathological) critics, naysayers and saboteurs - you are as courageous as Bessler was.

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  36. There's a big difference between thinking your idea will run for certain and seeing it run. In the area of free energy, ideas are worthless without a build behind them, even if the concept works. Many people in the past had working prototypes but failed miserably due to naiveness mainly.

    Your blog posts are really counter productive. A bunch of haters and ass lickers will not further you one bit. Either share your work under SOME sort of license, or go under the radar working with someone to make a build.

    But seeing your trend over the past year, it's as if you are intentionally blocking yourself from progressing for some unknown psychological reason.

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  37. I'm extremely well-aware that thinking my idea will run and seeing it run are very different. I've been building prototypes for thirty years! I'm not naive.

    My blog posts are not intended to be either productive or counter-productive and I accept both kinds of readers you describe, with equal equanimity.

    I intend to share my work unwithout any license and I have stated that I am willing to work with someone to make a build.

    If there is a trend over the last year it is the increasing realisation that I shall have to share the work I've done and accept that I cannot build a working model - sooner or later. You don't need to be a psychologist to work that out.

    JC

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  38. C'mon John,
    let's have it. We can't wait any longer...

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  39. An actual perpetual motionist would know all the implications of an outcome and he would certainly behave like bessler, in all likeli- hood. We mustn't forget here that bessler had intended some of the clues for himself in the next birth. After all, we can't imagine bessler's lifetime efforts going to some other soul, logically speaking.....

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  40. Hahaha... Suresh, that is, without a doubt, the most convincing (and humoristic) justification for reincarnation I have ever heard!

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  41. John, from your comment on the 21st October 2009:

    "Yes timing is highly critical and that is why I shall publish everything this year - win or lose."

    That was last year...

    Karl said that the inside of the wheel was so simple that even a carpenter's boy could construct it.

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  42. "'Yes timing is highly critical and that is why I shall publish everything this year - win or lose.'

    That was last year..."

    WHAT ABOUT THIS COMMENT JC? HE SAYS YOU'D DO IT, BUT YOU DIDN'T.

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  43. Yes I did say I'd publish last year but things change. I haven't finished the prototype and until I do I'm not publishing anything. I thought at the time that I would have completed all tests and have a runner, otherwise I wouldn't have made any commitment to publishing. I decided to send a paper I'd written to Hal Puthoff who has been a valued supporter for many years and who had promised to review it. Unfortunately he wasn't willing to commit to an opinion without a working model so it weas back to the workshop again. That is the situation to date.

    When someone makes a commitment one must take into account things that hold sway at the time but things change and plans have to be changed. I'm sorry about the delay and I have said elsewhere that I shall make no more commitments that require a specific date because it is not possible to be so definite. Who would have thought that my daughter's house would catch fire or that their return from holiday would be delayed by a volcano erupting?

    JC

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  44. John, who would have thought that poor countries are desperate to have electricity, that families are struggling with soaring energy prices, that the environment is being damaged due to our thirst for energy. Forests plundered, coal burnt etc etc.
    Every day you delay posting your design has a huge detrimental impact. Just think of it that way.
    At this point I would just let it loose.

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  45. It may be a bit late to comment now, judging by the date of the last post, but, there is a way around a patent.
    What you do is post your plans to yourself, recorded delivery,then leave them unopened.
    At least if it came to a legal argument you can prove it was your idea first.
    Stephen Burke

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