Here it is:-
You think you've found the right solution
To continuous revolution,
Without the need for energy,
except of course for gravity.
It's common to the likes of us
Who like to think Orffyreus
Was genuine, and not a crook
Who fooled us all with gobbledygook.
But we get fooled ourselves you see,
When ideas, new, convince us we,
Have found the secret to the wheel.
We tell the world we will reveal,
The details of our cherished notion
That we found perpetual motion -
But then we find we were deceived
And it was wrong which we believed.
The wheel stayed still, it didn't turn
We smash it up and let it burn.
But soon we're back with a new concept,
The disappointed tears we wept
Forgotten in the blinding light
Of revelation in the night.
This time for sure the wheel will spin
Endlessly - but who will win?
JC
Very good John,very good,how true!
ReplyDelete"But soon we're back with a new concept,
ReplyDeleteThe disappointed tears we wept
Forgotten in the blinding light
Of revelation in the night."
As they say, "Hope springs eternal". But, one can reach a point where he no longer "believes" in those "blinding lights of revelation in the night". That's the point of total "burnout" when, if success does not come along SOON, one must "bow out" and get onto other, more productive activities. I have known several mobilists who reached this point and left the field...permanently.
Hmmm...looks like poetry hour has started on this blog. Let's see, here's my contribution:
If your wheel uses no cord and spring,
then it can only do a single thing.
As it's unleashed, it will start to move,
Then suddenly slow and begin its return.
You had hoped the miracle of PM to prove,
Only again a painful lesson to learn.
All the "experts" have claimed it can't be done,
However, most never tried to construct even one.
But you've heard it was achieved long ago in Germany,
By a man named Bessler who knew crafts aplenty.
You read and study and measure and make,
This time you're convinced it MUST work!
As the hours pass with anticipation you're filled,
Even though you dread to finally find out
If it's just another wrong track you've pursued.
Too bad poetry can not be used to solve the Bessler wheel mystery.
lol
DeleteGrão a grão, enche a galinha o papo.
ReplyDeleteThe Portuguese
And now like true followers of Bessler we've all become poets.
ReplyDeleteWe'll have to offset it with a sense of humor or we'll all go mad.
Roses are red,
ReplyDeleteViolets are blue
Rhymes in my head,
Now in yours too
Was Bessler real
We'll never know
He broke his wheel
Fell in the snow
Left us a mess
Numbers and words
I must protest
Naught but records
No movement found
In all the books
Lonely man's sound
Yawp o'er the roofs
Apologies to Whitman's Song of Myself (final stanza)
VERY good!
Delete"He broke his wheel
Fell in the snow"
Bessler did have a nasty accident. He slipped on the ice and cracked his head on the ground. It took him a month of bed rest to fully recover his senses so it sounds like he had a severe concussion. This delayed the demonstration of one of his wheels.
Now, IF he had hit his head at the worst possible angle (this happens EVERY day to dozens of people worldwide), then he might have had a "subdural hematoma" or tearing and bleeding of the blood vessels near the outer regions of the brain. This problem can lead to brain death in a matter of hours unless emergency brain surgery is performed. The doctors of the early 18th century would not have been able to perform such an operation safely on Bessler.
At the time Bessler was getting ready to publicly demonstrate one of his wheels. This means that, if he had died, his widow would have inherited an INTACT wheel and, most likely, being a cash needy widow, she would have sold it off at a greatly reduced price and we TODAY would know EXACTLY how it had been constructed. Indeed, we would probably be using technology derived from it right now!
Instead, today we can only continue to try to "reverse engineer" what he had using the clues at hand. But, this is better than having no clues and only a vague legend of a man and his inventions.
I was referring to his fall from the windmill.
ReplyDeletePerhaps if he hadn't died accidentally, he would have had a change of heart about his legacy.
Oh, I see, you were referring to his final fall from the unfinished windmill. But, by the time he had that fall, all of his wheels, including his House of Richter's tabletop prototype, had been destroyed and he took the secret of their construction to his grave.
DeleteYou do bring up a good question, however. What would have happened IF Bessler had not died at the age of 65 in 1745?
I suspect that, most likely, he would have continued right along trying to find a buyer for his invention, however, he probably would have insisted on being paid "in full" BEFORE he set about to construct one for a buyer. Failing that, then, perhaps, when he was very old he might have just released the design to get the credit for its discovery. By that time he would have given up on the idea of receiving his "just compensation" and just wanted to die having been vindicated (after someone else replicated the design following his instructions and proved it worked) and with some measure of fame.
It's really quite sad that he died without being rewarded financially and was, even up to today, dismissed as a charlatan. At least he and his family lived well during the time they knew Count Karl.
Whoever said truth is stranger than fiction sure knew what he was talking about!
Yes, that's what the line "He broke his wheel" refers to, he destroyed all of them (and the "papers"), then fell off the windmill in November.
ReplyDeleteHe obviously gave up on selling it. 1721 to 1745 is 24 years, even a longer period from 1702 to 1721.
His change of heart would have been revealing his method of fraud. According to you, he hid credit for the discovery in the portraits, so he wouldn't have needed to live longer to release the "design".
He's lucky he wasn't beheaded, never mind compensated.
He didn't give up, Doug. He wrote many letters to other heads of State offering his machine and then once he realised that the label, 'Perpetual Motion', dammed him in the eyes of those he sought to impress, he adapted the machine to driving everlasting fountains, carrillons and even submarines.
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He gave up demonstrating it, then. Demos being more effective selling tools than letters asking for millions of dollars for a machine with a poor marketing campaign that didn't exist anymore, even to drive a fountain.
ReplyDeleteWhy did he stop demos? There was a 6 year period between 1721 and the trial in 1727. I guess the trial was the final nail. Did he seriously think that writing letters would be better than continuing demos? What could have been the new label for the adaptation, if it could have made a difference to other heads of state?
Wow...what harsh treatment Bessler got for his efforts . It seems that someone beside Karl would have paid the toll ... and held bessler to his word , axe in hand , money on the table . I don't blame Bessler as some do that his wheel did not sell . He did plenty as per the evidence that we are still seeing to this day .It must have been a matter of not getting the information to the right person at the right time . If Bessler was around today he could carry his wheel to the "shark tank " .
ReplyDeleteIf you don't blame Bessler that his wheel did not sell, who do you blame?
ReplyDeleteHis price was insurance against the axe.
Karl was what scared potential buyers off. If he didn't buy it - after he saw it - then it must be worthless.
Yep. Worthless...move on .
ReplyDeleteIf it was worthless ,why Karl did not kick him out?
ReplyDeleteHe felt sorry for him. That's likely why he did anything at all.
ReplyDeleteIf the "right person" couldn't be found with Karl's connections, it was never meant to be. Bessler accepted it, and ... moved on. The trial probably surprised him, coming 6 years later. Quick! Burn the evidence!
Trash in , trash out .
DeleteSpoken like a true trashman.
DeleteYour're the one making stuff up . Karl was known for fostering inventors .
DeleteI see Bessler as paradoxically being BOTH the luckiest and UNluckiest man on Earth!
ReplyDeleteLucky in the sense that, through innate intelligence and sheer tenacity, he managed to find an OB PM gravity wheel design that actually worked! UNlucky in the sense that his demanding a huge fortune for it, IN ADVANCE, meant that only the wealthiest of the wealthy could purchase it. Those wealthy investors, however, were always sending in their "experts" to evaluate the wheels and, aside from saying that they were running continuously, they could not absolutely guarantee that the wheels were, in fact, genuine PM wheels that did not require an outside power source being supplied to them. There was, of course, the constant background "noise" from "no track" detractors like Wagner who kept pointing out that the wheels were not demonstrated long enough to prove that they were "perpetual" and that these detractors could / did replicate Bessler's wheels with crude mainspring powered wheels of their own (true, unless, of course, one tries to have such a fake wheel run continuously for MONTHS while CONTINUOUSLY outputting tens of watts of power!). Such negativity would serve to greatly reduce the probability of a successful sale of the invention.
Another factor, not often mentioned, is that most of the potential investors for Bessler's wheels were looking for a portable source of power that could be used for such things as draining flooded coal mines. About the same time that Bessler appeared with his wheels, steam engine powered pumps were being introduced over in England that had FAR more power output than the Weissenstein wheel and which could be had for a small fraction of the price Bessler demanded. Yes, one had to shovel coal into their fireboxes, but they were portable and they worked well.
If Bessler had been born just 50 years earlier, he might have been considered in the ranks of Newton and Leibniz. But, such was not his destiny. Today, with the successful replication of his wheel design, we have a chance to vindicate Bessler and help him take his rightful place in history: the FIRST known man to build a WORKING OB PM gravity wheel!
I don't think that Karl could have purchased Bessler's wheels because he did not have that large a sum of money available to invest in them. He was well aware of their low power output and the possibility that they might not be improved any further (an issue I still wrestle with). Besides, Karl had a couple of mistresses he was supporting and they can be VERY expensive! LOL!
If he was what you believe he was, he would have been considered in Newton's rank.
DeleteKarl could have pulled the money together, if he wanted to. Peter the great would have put up half I'll bet, if he hadn't died.
It wasn't worth it, call it unlucky or just greed.
So tell us what to believe Doug . I mean , nobody can seem to explain the 54 day bi-directional run . Lies have a way of becoming larger over time . Karl said that he was amazed that someone hadn't built a similar machine ... and that in itself doesn't have the flavor of a lie . I asked the question not long ago , " what was the equal and opposite cause of the known universe ?" ... I mean scientifically isn't that a valid question ? But nobody can really answer it . My point is we don't know everything and it's stupid to act like we do . If we were as smart as we think a lot of things would be different , no? There is always the possibility that he was a fraud , but the story really doesn't have the flavor of a fraud . There is also the possibility that he was not a fraud and I for one really look forward to the day that someone has the same notion as Bessler did and builds a successful wheel .
DeleteDoug wrote:
Delete"It wasn't worth it, call it unlucky or just greed."
Hmmm...let's see. Bessler was asking for an amount in thalers that was equal to the value of one ton of gold at the time. Assuming that "ton" was the same as today's British "Long Ton" (equal to 2,240 pounds), we can quickly determine how many troy ounces of gold that his 100,000 thalers (a silver coin) was worth in today's HIGHLY inflated US dollars or USD.
I won't show the intermediate calculations, but one British Long Ton is equal to 32,666.666 troy onces which is the international unit of weight for weighing precious metals like gold. I just checked the last Spot Market Price for gold over in New York's "NYMEX" exchange and it was about $1,600.00 USD per troy ounce.
So, Bessler was asking for today's equivalent of 32,666.666 troy ounces x about $1,600 USD / troy ounce = about $52,266,665 USD!
It certainly sounds like alot of money even by today's inflated standards. But, since it took him 10 years to achieve PM, it only works out to $5,226,666.65 USD per year. There are CEO's of some corporations NOW making more than that figure per year and none of them as achieved anything close to what Bessler did!
I, personally, think Bessler was asking too much for his invention. But, then again, it was his right to set a price that would, IN HIS OPINION, "justly compensate" him for his investment in time and effort and to then adjust that figure up or down as he saw fit. After several decades of not being able to get their initial asking price, most "prudent" businessmen would have dropped the price or worked out some sort of leasing program. Bessler, apparently, just wanted a quick sale so he could get onto other things.
And, of course, I must reject the notion that Bessler was a liar and a hoaxer looking to get rich off some naive investor with deep pockets. If, indeed, he was perpetrating a hoax, then it would have had to have been the most elaborate hoax in the history of mankind! The probability of that being the case seems FAR less likely to me than that of him having actually found a WORKING OB gravity wheel design.
TG,
ReplyDeleteDon't fret the nonbelievers anymore . I have the cure for that . Why talk history when history is being made ?
When it comes to PM, it's easy to be a "nonbeliever" or what I call a "no tracker" considering that, in the last THOUSAND years, perhaps only TWO mobilists out of God knows how many have actually achieved this miraculous effect: Johann Bessler and Asa Jackson. Interestingly, both had wheels shaped devices that utilized gravity and were OB.
DeleteBut, it only takes one albino crow to disprove the hypothesis that all crows are black. If, as the "preponderance" of the evidence indicates, these fellows actually did achieve PM, then that proves that it IS possible although quite obviously not easy.
If enough mobilists can get on the "right track" and stay there, then, eventually, we shall know the secret of Bessler's wheels in most of its details. I'm confident that this knowledge will come along WITHIN the next year. However, even when it does, don't be surprised by the numbers of "wrong trackers" that will surface and insist, even though the design is verified with a working sim or physical build, that what is offered can't be the one Bessler used as they continue merrily along on their own various pet "wrong track" approaches.
I know what Bessler's Mobile Per se was .
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