Wednesday, 26 August 2015

Perhaps the mechanism is not so simple.

Karl the Landgrave is on record as saying that the secret of the wheel was so simple a carpenter's apprentice could make one, if he was allowed a little time to study it.

In the eighteenth century skilled  craftsmen traditionally employed children from a young age, 12 or 13 usually, but sometimes as young as 7.  They were indentured in a legal document  which bound the child to the master for seven years or more.  He provided board and lodging in return for free labour and also provided skill training which would ultimately permit the apprentice, upon leaving his master's employment, to set up on his own in a similar craft. So in Germany at that time the freed apprentice would usually have acquired all the necessary skills to operate successfully, by the age of about 21.

I think that Karl's words might have given the impression that the skill required to reproduce Bessler's wheel was scarcely higher than that possessed by the ordinary person in the street.  He was a ruler, a statesman and a politician and therefore commented in front of others of a similar standing, and chose his words carefully, knowing they would probably be reported by visiting dignitaries. 

I think he would have responded to questions about Bessler's wheel as noncommittally as possible and when asked how complicated the wheel was, would have considered his response in his customarily careful manner.  So, he chose to use an apprentice as an example, that being of less experience than a freed carpenter; less experience but still with four or five years expertise to back him in his  in attempt to copy the wheel.

I saw a documentary on child labour recently, and the skill demonstrated by kids as young as nine or ten in assembling electrical items, polishing gems, extracting precious metals from scrap electronics was eye-opening.  I see no reason to support the notion that, just because Karl appeared to be slightly denigrating about how simple the mechanisms were, should not fool us into thinking the secret to assembling Bessler's wheel would be easy and not involved complex configurations.

I mention this again, because my problem in assembling the parts I've made for Bessler's wheel are difficult to arrange without accidental clashes between different components.  But gradually by rearranging them over and over, I am getting there.

JC

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  1. I think I remember reading that Bessler said something like building was time consuming and difficult, and that a carpenter or mechanic could build much faster or better. Something like that. Maybe Karl meant to say that the operating principle could be quickly understood, not quickly built.

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  2. It can take at least three weeks to build each mechanism, that is four and a half months for each working Bessler wheel, it is not easy.

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  3. Bessler also said that "if God were to grant him sufficient time" he could build a wheel that turned very slowly but with great force, suggesting such a contraption might simply be an even more elaborate implementation of the same painstaking construction...

    Keep at it JC, we're all on the edge of our seats i'm sure..

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  4. From the models I'm working on, I can only say that the mechanism is indeed "simple". What makes it difficult to replicate is that it requires precisely shaped wooden levers which are both carefully spring suspended and interconnected by a particular arrangement of coordinating ropes. But, basically, it is just lead weights, wooden levers, ropes, and steel springs. There are no gears in the design. If I find success (and, hopefully, soon) and the design is finally revealed, I believe that most will be astonished by its simplicity. This is a good thing because it will encourage the builders out there to get to work trying to replicate the design. Yes, I do believe that even a child could understand its method of operation and, perhaps, an ambitious teenager could, at least, construct the small 3 foot diameter prototype that Bessler originally constructed.

    Sorry to read that you are encountering problems with the construction of your model wheel, John. In an imbalanced pm wheel collisions between moving parts are not to be tolerated because, obviously, they interfere with the smooth operation of the mechanics as well as waste liberated energy in the forms of heat and sound. One of the biggest problems I envision with replicating Bessler's wheels (using the design approach I've opted for) is making sure that the various coordinating ropes between the levers do not rub against each other or wrap up around the weighted ends of the levers. This is why Bessler constructed his wheels in "layers" each of which would keep its particular set of ropes separated from those in adjacent layers.

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  5. My guess is that, when it manifests finally into our Miasmic Realm of Perpetual Joy, it will be seen as almost obscenely simple. (Betcha!)

    "Criswell Predicts"

    It's just that mega-pesky little problem of the li'l old Prime Mover that's the really big thing for, without that we've got absolutely nothin' - nothin' - nothin' just endless "Talk! - talk! talk! . . . '

    "In MY day we didn't need any 'talk', we had FACES!!!!"

    Yes, they did but, we have lots-o-gas too as well as all the other.

    Just WHEN and HOW is it all to end? That would be the big one.

    Now, onto something truly important:

    What about model # 1205?

    -J.

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    1. My model # 1205 is history that's rapidly receding in my rear view mirror. I'm now working on # 1222! The more I study the mechanical requirements of Bessler's imbalanced pm wheel mechanism, the more convinced I am that my 9:00 going to 10:30 must rise through a certain angle (which I have so far not revealed) during only 1/8 of a drum rotation or 22.5 degrees. That's very rapid shifting, but unless I can achieve it, the CoM of my model wheels will never stay on a wheel's descending side during drum rotation. It is an absolute requirement. I'm focusing all of my research efforts on meeting this requirement now because, if I fail, then I might as well quit any future efforts to replicate Bessler's wheels.

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    2. Oops! I wrote above that my 9:00 going to 10:30 lever had to complete its required amount of angular shift (back toward its stop on the drum's rim) during 22.5 degrees of drum rotation or 1/8 of a drum rotation. I should have stated that 22.5 degrees is only 1/16 of a drum rotation. Sorry about that. I do all of my research using a standard 3 foot diameter wheel which is identical to the size used by Bessler when he made his big breakthrough at the house of Richters in late 1711 or early 1712. I've previously assumed a maximum free running rotation speed for the 12 foot diameter Merseberg wheel of 40 rpm's. I've often wondered what the maximum free running rotation speed was for his little table top 3 foot diameter wheel. If it had an uncovered "open" drum, then the air drag as it accelerated would have been high. Perhaps it reached a speed of 70 to 80 rpm's. Anybody ever find any information about its top speed?

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    3. Well, I guess I just missed those intervening seventeen.

      At the time of their being described I was involved in another little tet-et-tet elsewhere. (That little frisson is far, far from being over.)

      OK, we're up to # 1222 now. Got it.

      Even though ever-evolving toward ???, here would "seem" to be promise:

      " I'm focusing all of my research efforts on meeting this requirement now because, if I fail, then I might as well quit any future efforts to replicate Bessler's wheels."

      If ONLY it were to be written thus instead: ' I'm focusing all my research efforts on meeting this requirement now because, if I fail, then I promise to forever quit any and all possible future efforts to replicate Bessler's wheels.'

      Now THAT would afford We, the Verbosely Tormented (speaking of "verbose"), some REAL promise of final cessation and relief from such but, as it is, the seeming promise is not one at all.

      What are called 'weasel words' always get 'em off the hook, of any pseudo promise. Politicians and cons use them all the time.

      This following tiny exposition is relating somewhat to the above as it regards the species of direct insincerity:

      [While distracted fighting with snorting hoards of a self-supporting, self-admiring exclusive "elite" over at that other P-M site, there was a simple QUESTION put to a certain member of theirs, about a certain item of commerce that he did once peddle. This question was and is 'key' to the person's continuing ability to pose as an honest broker of truth, uprightness and dispassionate judgement as that site's "policeman," as one other elite member recently described him as being, in the sense of acting as if one. Surprisingly to myself an answer actually did report back but, it was in the form of a fioriture sentence of strung-out weasel words, where a simple (and dangerous for obvious reasons) "yes" or "no" would have told the truth better and quicker.

      Instead, an oriental-like supposition and presumed back-answerment was his chosen path to getting off any self-fashioned, sharp hook of-previous. Well, supposedly. Actually it did not work because all now onlooking (and this being especially so for any that might have bought-and-paid for one of the items in question) might now wonder "why NOT the yes or the no?" Exactly right: WHY not??? And, of course, a more likely answer than not self-asserts within minds not yet corrupted by partisanship or worse, or far-worse even.]

      "Oh! what webs we weave when first we practice to deceive." Sir Francis Bacon in Shakespeare mode.

      "Truth is sovereign." - Maxim of Law

      CHEERS TO YA ALL, ME FRIENDS!

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    4. Three foot wheel Ken, I don't know where that came from. His first exhibited wheel measured 4.6 feet in diameter, but nothing is known about his first successful one.

      JC

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    5. I must confess I enjoy your verbal jousting with Ken, James. It provides an antidote to his mental meanderings. So many brinks he has seemed to teeter on, only to turn aside to visit another mirage.

      JC

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    6. John, you wrote: "Three foot wheel Ken, I don't know where that came from. His first exhibited wheel measured 4.6 feet in diameter, but nothing is known about his first successful one."

      I was not referring to Bessler's first exhibited wheel, but, rather to the original unexhibited prototype that first successfully ran and upon which all later exhibited wheels were based. It's described on page 271 of AP:

      "So it was at the house of Richters in the year 1712 I achieved the discovery of the wondrous device that has amazed the world so much. My industry was spared the curses which accompanied the earlier efforts. The machine stood 3 feed high...On unfastening a bolt, the wheel immediately began to revolve."

      The text is translated as saying that prototype "stood 3 feet high" which I believe refers to the height of the top of the wheel above a table top surface that he kept it on while tweaking its various component parameters so as to get it to maintain its imbalance during rotation. That wheel was actually Bessler's version of wm2d! All of my 1200+ wm2d model attempts to solve the mystery of Bessler's secret imbalanced pm wheel mechanics use a 3 foot diameter wheel. If I can not get that operational, then there's no use trying to scale up to a 12 foot version. I know only too well the "curses" Bessler is referring to in that quote. Earlier tonight I made my first attempt at getting that 9:00 going to 10:30 lever to "rise in a flash". One interpretation of the second DT portrait clues directed me to connect my lifter ropes to a particular set of attachment points on that lever. I did so and, as expected, it began to rise as soon as the drum had rotated through 22.5 degrees. But, when I checked how the CoM was behaving during the complete 45 degree increment of drum rotation, I found that. as in all of my earlier attempts, the CoM only lingered momentarily on the descending side and then slid right over to the wheel's ascending side as axle torque dropped to zero. Another disappointing failure. But, all is not lost. I still have several other possible lifter rope attachment points to try which are also indicated in the second DT portrait. Hopefully, one combination of them will work. This is Bessler's "standard operating procedure" in the DT portrait clues. He throws several possible parameter values at the reverse engineer and then it is up to him to determine which one is correct. This method of encrypting data can be extremely frustrating. Sort of like hiding a needle in a haystack and then letting the person looking for the needle spend countless hours sorting through the stack! And, after he manages to find that one needle, he realizes that he must still find another two dozen of them in additional stacks! Well, if it was so simple, it would have all been figured out centuries ago. I'll continue my efforts tomorrow morning. Time to rest.

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  6. Hi John- What if you divide up the mechanisms so that they are not all on one side to avoid crashing into each other?

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    1. They don't interfere with each other, just themselves.

      JC

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    2. I think I understand the problem you are having, John. You have "play" in the various joints connecting the parts in each of your isolated mechanisms and it is that which is allowing the parts in each mechanism to rub against or even block each other's motion. One solution is to tighten up the joints, but then you have the problem of the additional friction interfering with the operation of the mechanisms. The problem might be solved by using thicker parts and having their pivot holes drilled out to a very precise tolerance. Unfortunately, that then increases the masses of the parts which could interfere with the smooth operation of the mechanisms and would require the use of precision drilling equipment. I assume that, like me, you are limited to using hand tools to fabricate your design. This is one of the major reasons I made the changeover to using wm2d. It solves so many construction problems and lets the reverse engineer concentrate on trying various designs without getting hung up on having to solve various construction problems. John, I wish you would give wm2d a try. It's really very easy to learn and I can virtually guarantee you that once you make the change, you won't be going back to hand built models again. Leave that to those who have the proper equipment to do it right.

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    3. I appreciate your desire to help, Ken, but I had worked out where the problem lay some time ago, and I am gradually finding ways to resolve it.

      JC

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  7. Tired of trying to decode Bessler's obscure codes? Worn out from building complex mechanical pm wheels that never work? Ready to quit the entire subject in total disgust? If so, then here is a genuine pm wheel (I'm not kidding!) that you can build in a day for a few dollars so you can finally show all your dubious friends and relatives that you are not really a crackpot after all:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPnxLSgnUI

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    1. Thrice times K.B. inquires of us as follows

      "Tired of trying to decode Bessler's obscure codes?" (No. Never even tried any obscure ones; left that to J.C.)

      "Worn out from building complex mechanical pm wheels that never work?" (No. Only ever tried to build a single one, an that over a ten year period so I am not a burn-out.)

      "Ready to quit the entire subject in total disgust?" (No, on the extreme contrary, actually.)

      If it works that clever fellow's got a fine money maker as just a desktop toy but, it is so hard to know what the score is with any of the items that pop-up on YouTube.

      Whatever the case might be really, it sure muddies the waters for any real deal when and if it appears.

      J.

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    2. What he has appears to be vertical version of Ben Franklin's "Electric Motor" which was discussed in a past blog. Ben's motor was powered by two Leyden jars carrying opposite electrical charges and it would run until both jars were uncharged. This guy's wheel also appears, like Ben's, to be an electrostatic motor. But, where are the Leyden jars? First he claims the two pointed projections on the ascending side "redistribute" the electrons in the aluminum strips so that their wrapped around portions near the rim become positively charged. Later, he says the pointed projections remove electrons from the aluminum strips and that is what makes them positively charged. Very confusing and it sounds like even he does not know how it works! The concave aluminum strip near the bottom of the descending side of the rotor somehow "draws" electrons back toward the rim or adds electrons to the aluminum strips. All of this removal and addition of electrons would require a voltage difference between the two pointed projections and the concave aluminum strip. I don't see any way to create that difference unless he has a set of charged up, high capacity capacitors hidden inside of the wheel's wooden base somewhere. I'm tempted to try building it since I have most of the materials I'd need on hand. But, since this is probably a hoax, I think I'll let someone else have the "pleasure" of constructing it.

      Update. Another night of frustrating attempts to get that pesky 9:00 going to 10:30 lever to "rise in a flash". I used an additional assisting motor to force the rise and, as expected, the resulting motion does cause the CoM of all of the model's weights and levers to remain on the wheel's descending side. But, Bessler used no motors! I need to figure a way to do it strictly using the lost GPE from the 7:30 going to 9:00 lever and another, for the moment, unnamed source of lost GPE. Time to rest. I'll be back at it again tomorrow, God willing.

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    3. Nice find Ken!

      Assuming he's honest (he seems it) then it can't be "drawing electrons out" because the two stator conductors aren't connected, so there's no circuit.. and it obviously can't be ionising the foil plates.

      Like he says then, it must be redistributing the charge in the plates.

      However this alone cannot be sufficient explanation because one would expect that any torques generated by these redistributions would be equal and opposite. So the asymmetry still needs explaning.

      If it's real however then the EM mediator is virtual photons, and regardless of whether the asymmetry is electrostatic of electromagnetic, it would be virtual photon flux performing the work.

      I just tried to build one. Didn't have any large pieces of expanded foam to hand so could only manage a small one. Built it in 20 minutes, then spent 2 hours trying to balance the rotor before quiting in frustration. Built entirely using foam, clothes pins, foil and paper glue, with a little sticky tape for wheel balancing. Will try again when i can find some bigger bits of polystyrene...

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    4. Glad you find his electrostatic pm wheel of interest, Vibrator. Yes, it would be really nice if someone here could confirm through a physical build that it works. Years ago I did construct a simple electrostatic motor using plans I found in a magazine. It consisted of a styrofoam coffee cup with strips of aluminum duct tape applied to its outside slightly conical surface. The cup was carefully inverted and vertically mounted on a pivot so that it could freely rotate about its longitudinal axis. Then I placed the pointed tip of a wire to one side of the cup while the other end of the wire was grounded to a water pipe. Finally, the pointed tip of another wire was positioned on the other side of the cup. Both wires were about a quarter of an inch from the aluminum duct tape strips on the cup. When the end of the second wire was touched to something that was electrostatically charged, the styrofoam cup would begin rotating. To obtain the necessary electrical charge, I would comb my clean dry hair with a plastic comb and then touch the comb to the end of the second wire. The comb would acquire a strong negative electrical charge and transfer some of it to the aluminum duct tape strips near the pointed end of the second wire. The strip would immediately be repelled away from the tip of the wire and rotate over to the pointed end of the first wire which was grounded. There it would lose its negative charge and become neutral again. But, by that time other strips were being charged and repelled from the tip of the second negatively charged wire. Ben Franklin's design using two Leyden jars allowed the electrically charged thimbles to be repelled from the center electrodes of both jars so it actually doubled the torque acting on the rotor. But, in the device shown in the youtube video, all of this action is claimed to be taking place without the need for any external Leyden jars or wiring! It's probably a hoax, yet the presenter certainly seems honest. I hope you are successful in getting your version to run. If so, then probably everyone in the free energy world will be building one! I might even take a crack at it.

      Update. Did a little bit of extra work with my wm2d models earlier today and have proven to my own satisfaction that when Bessler said the weights in his wheels must "rise in a flash", he meant it. I've concluded that the shifting of the 9:00 going to 10:30 lever must absolutely take place during the first 22.5 degrees of each 45 degree segment of drum rotation. If that action is delayed until the second 22.5 degree segment of rotation commences, then the CoM of the wheel's weights will rotate right down to the punctum quietus below the axle during the delay and that is the end of any driving torque for the axle. I now know all of the possible attachment points to the levers involved and how many ropes must be interconnected between them. One of the several possible combination must be the one that Bessler used and, when I find it, my model's should start to work at long last. I'll continue the search early tomorrow morning.

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  8. Update. Another night of failure trying to get my model's 9:00 to 10:30 lever to "rise in a flash". But, I have faith that it must be possible for I can see no other way Bessler's wheels could have worked at this time. I still have many more lifter rope attachment point combinations to try.

    Also, can't get that video of the electrostatic pm wheel out of my mind. There's only one way I can imagine it to be working, but it's a long shot at best. Note that the pointed conductors near the bottom of the disk's ascending side are probably made of steel while the concave conductor near the bottom of the disk's descending side is made of aluminum. That means that two dissimilar metals are being used for these conductors. Furthermore, they are connnected to each other by the wood of the stand that supports the disk. Could it be possible that this system is actually functioning like a battery and causing a positive charge to accumulate on the pointed conductors while a negative one accumulates on the concave conductor? Yes, I know that wood is an electrical insulator. But, it is not a perfect insulator considering all of the trees that get hit by lightning! Perhaps there is a tiny current flow taking place between the pointy conductors through the wood and into the concave conductor. The circuit is then completed outside of these structures as electrons are deposited on the aluminum strips near the bottom of the disk's descending side, carried along with the revolving disk to the pointy conductors, and then transferred back to the pointy conductors again. Thus, we see that the device is really being powered by a very unusual battery. Now for the really possibly strange part. Maybe this "battery" never dies! This is because, unlike a regular battery that produces its voltage via chemical reactions inside of the battery's case, this pm disk's "battery" does not involve any chemical reactions. Well, it's just a theory. But, I can see some potential for this device if it's genuine (I really hope it is). Imagine a wooden dowel about two feet in length with metal pins inserted into its ends to function as pivots. Next, imagine six styrofoam disks mounted on the wooden dowel which becomes their common axle. Let each disk be 18 inches in diameter. Instead of each disk having 8 aluminum strips wrapped around its rim, let each disk have, say, 24 aluminum strips wrapped around its rim. Then, after mounting the disks' axle on suitable open bearings of some sort, a light wooden box is made that surrounds the six styrofoam disks and positions an array of alternating pointed steel and concave aluminum conductors in close proximity around each styrofoam disk. When the rotor shaft is given a spin to get it started, I bet that it would rotate very rapidly and have a considerable amount of torque. Also, unlike one of Bessler's wheels or even the Yildiz permanent magnet motor I've praised lately, this electrostatic motor would be very light. A child would be able to easily lift its removed rotor shaft! Yes, I'm really hoping this one is for real.

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  9. I doubt there could be sufficient conductivity in the wood to accomodate currents powered by such miniscule charges. And a battery relies on acid for ion transfer between disimilar metals.

    If it works then the only possible means is, like the man says, torque from charge redistribution, however the symmetry break would be whatever prevents these torques from self-cancelling. Perhaps this will be implicit in the left / right-hand rules - perhaps the counter EMF from one or other torque is orthogonal, or maybe both torques are in the same direction... Whatever, it's either sidestepping Lenz's law, or turning it to its advantage.

    I had another go at balancing the rotor on my replication this afternoon. Teeth-grindingly tedious (i'd make a terrible surgeon).. i seriously need to cut back on the caffeine and nicotine, but there's always tomorrow...

    Managed it however, and unfortunately could find no effect. Checked for any directional asymmetry but couldn't see any. Made a quick video, where as you can see there's certainly no clear torque in the supposedly preferred direction:

    https://youtu.be/0LM5tzKYUjI

    Obviously it's not a fair 1:1 replication. If i had some polystyrene then i'd've tried to make a more faithful copy - i have all the other materials - wood etc. The two horizontal bolts look like brass but i have a variety of metal knick knacks i could try. I'm surprised others haven't been attempting builds, the guy seems earnest enough...

    Anyway, possible reasons for failure:

    - friction too high relative to scale
    - mass / momentum too low
    - horizontal pins too thin / wrong metal
    - wrong foam type (used a softer foam insteaad of polystyrene, perhaps specific dielectric properties are a factor)

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    1. Thanks for posting that video, Vibrator. I immediately saw a potential problem with your build. You make the support base out of styrofoam whereas he made it out of wood. Perhaps that is the problem because I believe that plastic is a far better insulator than wood. Maybe in your version the flow of electrons between the pointed conductors and the concave conductor was reduced below a critical level that prevented the removal / addition of electrons to the aluminum strips on the rotor and thereby reduce the torque acting on it to near zero. Well, you could give it another try and, this time, use wood. Or, how about just running a wire from both of the pointy conductors to the concave conductor? Something tells me that if one were to attach a sensitive galvanometer between the pointy and concave conductors of his device, it would detect a small but steady electrical current sporadically flowing as the rotor strips passed the conductors. Also, I don't think you need to have an electrolyte involved when two dissimilar metals produce a voltage difference. All you need to do is put them in physical contact with each other. But, the current flow will only be momentary and very small.

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    2. I just noticed that in your video you were attempting to make the rotor of your version spin in the opposite direction to which it is supposed to turn! No wonder it did not work! Maybe with a wire between the pointy and concave conductors and a spin in the proper direction you will find success. Good luck.

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    3. Oops you're right, i spun it the wrong way in the vid, however i did thoroughly check both directions (just had another good go at it to make sure)... normally with spinny rigs i'd prefer to do wind-down tests in each direction from the same starting speed, however this one's too small and flimsy.

      I need to build an accurate replica, and again, you're right that this should include the original bill of materials - right down to the varnish i think he's used on his. Can't assume anything with a genuine anomaly.

      I also like the idea of checking for electrode effects. I do have a sensitive galvanometer. Likewise, one would expect a measurable charge separation between the front and rear conductors regardless of the possibility of current flow through the wood.

      Soon as i can find a decent bit of polystyrene i'll start a better build. The foam i used here was all i had to hand so for now it was that or nothing.. i only bothered because i thought i could whip one up in short order.


      Soon as i get some polystyrene, i'll make a decent rotor - same dimensions as his - and knock up the rest of the rig in polystyrene too (just cos it's so quick to work with). Then, if no effect arises, i'll start substituting balsa wood parts and retesting until i have a perfect copy.

      I'm thinking the thickness of the rotor may be significant, as well as the black paint on one side (makes it look reminiscent of a Crookes radiometer, though i'm guessing it was done to assist readings from a laser tacho)...

      I visit loading bays all day at work so i'll be checking in skips and bins for junk polystyrene, or else i'll have to buy some specially.. Looks like builders merchants sell suitable stuff quite cheaply: http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-25mm-General-Purpose-Polystyrene-600x2400mm/p/210801

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    4. Glad to read you're going to give it another try. If you are successful, expect everyone in the pm chasing community to follow suit. I think the sheet of "expanded polystyrene" or polystyrene foam he used might have come from a sheet of that stuff that they nail on the bare wood walls of a house before applying siding. Aside from reducing air infiltration into the house, it provides some thermal insulation to keep heat in the house on cold days and out on hot days. I've seen this material and it is often black on one side and silver on the other. I think you always nail it on the outside walls so that the black side faces into the house and the silver side faces toward the outside. This, I guess, enhances its thermal insulating properties.

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  10. Click on the "Show More" link and see how earnest the guy is.

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    1. All I see is a list of keywords which he probably created to direct youtube visitors to his video. That does not prove he's dishonest or lying about the operation of his electrostatic pm motor.

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    2. Just like getting an email from a Nigerian prince does not prove he's out to scam your money.

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    3. Glad to read that because I just sent a international money order for $25,000 to such a prince to cover the handling costs on the millions in gold bars he's promised to ship to me for safe keeping just in case his country is overrun by terrorists. He's even promised to give me half of the gold for my service. With that, I won't have to worry anymore about solving the Bessler wheel secret to get rich.

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    4. You didn't have to worry about it anyway.

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    5. Nothing would please me more than being able to finally provide a working solution to this 300 year old puzzle. How many have sought the answer and eventually went to their graves without finding it? Although I'm not convinced that solving it will make any immediate difference in our world, its solution will help inspire others to pursue free energy devices and, who knows, maybe one of them will prove to be the solution to the ongoing deterioration of our planet's environment caused by all of the carbon emitting fossil fuels we burn 24/7 around the globe.

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    6. @Anon

      My impression is that the poster Nikola Tesla is NOT the guy in the video. The account owner's obviously one of the ropier members of the FE community, and the video owner's clearly a retired EE. Definitely not the same individual. Dunno where the vid was originally posted but somewhere like Vimeo seems likely since the guy makes denigrating comments about YouTube.

      I think the guy's genuine, but then i'm incredibly credulous and own several bridges, plus a large stockpile of magic beans. If it WAS faked then i'd guess the 'glass' tabletop is actually made from special healing crystals - the old scalar wave radiant energy quantum vibrational trick. But my spirit guides are telling me he's an honest soul...

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    7. I can't shake the feeling that this device is real. However, if you manage to successfully replicate it, then that would convince me 100% since I consider you "credible", Vibrator.

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    8. Seems like we always find at least one device (other than Bessler's, of course) that we tend to favor. Other than the Yildiz, I guess mine would be this spring device:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I2zeoUbzg

      Found it over a year ago, and I still wonder about it.

      @Vibrator -

      Where are you, U.S. or Europe?

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    9. Hutch, that "Dominant Flywheel" is certainly interesting. The flywheel does not accelerate, yet it also does not decelerate. Just keeps right on spinning when one would expect air and bearing drag to bring it to a stop. So, it must be extracting a little bit of energy from somewhere. I suspect the spring he is using. Perhaps it takes less energy to flex the spring than is released when it snaps back? This sounds impossible, but from viewing the video it appears that the cam that pushes the spring down first touches it farther from the spring's attachment point to the angled piece than it does as the spring is pushing it up again. In other words, the energy is not released from the spring in the same way it was stored.

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    10. @Hutch - fascinating, cheers for sharing. Certainly radiating lots of energy in noise alone, but then so does a Newton's cradle...

      A Newton's cradle doesn't accelerate however, while this thing certainly does - at least during the second, faster run beginning at 3:10. It then runs solidly for two minutes to around 5:10. Jump the video back and forth between the start and end and it has clearly accelerated.

      The initial slower run does appear to decelerate - he seems to stop it by hand just before it stalls, although one can't be certain. But this takes nothing away from the apparent gain in the second faster run.

      He doesn't appear to have a good grasp of physics if he really doesn't believe there's excess energy... perhaps he knows it stops eventually? But then how could a lossy system accelerate over two minutes, especially one so simple?

      Has anyone tried replicating? I'd be up for a go when i can find the time...

      And i'm in London UK BTW...

      @Ken - yes i agree, looks like asymmetry from the spring loading and unloading strokes, but in all my experiments attempting to change the spring length between loading and unloading costs energy equal to the gain. The only thing that 'springs' to mind is the contribution of the tuning weight - perhaps when it's falling as the spring depresses, its's subsidisng the cost of moving the crank pin horizontally across the spring... somehow.. dunno.

      If anyone can get any more info i'd consider it worthwhile paying the dude a visit to inspect it personally. Then we could compare its performance in the reverse direction (does it 'destroy' energy equal to what it appears to create in the gain direction?) as well as getting an idea of its endurance.

      As for the electrostatic motor, i got some polystyrene today so will start a 1:1 replica this week...

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    11. On second thoughts TinselKoala on the YT thread points out that it accelerates precisely at the moment he slides it forward towards the camera, before rotating it through 360°...

      That does seem consistent with it being powered by a pulse coil under the table... an effect i've seen before.

      This would explain why it loses energy in the slower mode, as the resonant period of the spring has to be tuned to the freq of the pulse coil (or at least a lower octave of it) - which could be something as simple as the innards from an electric clippers - a basic coil running off AC line freq.

      Sooo.. still interesting but needs further demonstrations to anwser these concerns. My provisional verdict for now though is that it's most likely a hoax...

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    12. A pulse coil under the table? That would have to be a pretty power coil because most of the time his little wheel is spinning away on the top of a coffee table's glass top surface and I didn't notice any coils under it.

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    13. I meant the motor Hutch posted.

      The electrostatic one you posted has me completely stumped. I'm used to analysing EM devices, so electrostatics isn't my strong point.

      Without a magnetic field there's no Lorentz force either - perhaps his horizontal bolts are slightly magnetised? Last night I tried magnetising mine but it made no difference.. More later...

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  11. I can't find a working link to this video, but if you type in Motor Homopolar de Faraday - Homopolar motor,
    you'll see how the "electrostatic" motor was faked.
    All the guy did was to make a more sophisticated vertical version.
    Sorry guys.

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    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPnxLSgnUI


      If you copy and paste the above url into your address bar, you will be able to view the youtube video we've been discussing here after you skip the ad at the beginning. No, I don't think what he's showing is a Faraday type homopolar motor. For it to be that, there would have to be a sliding contact on the rim of the disk and there is none. Also, I'm not convinced that he has any hidden motors or batteries inside of the disk or its support base. These structures are just too thin for that. The best way to fake this device, if it's a fake, would be to use a powerful directional jet of air whose source was carefully kept out of frame. That source would, most likely be located above the disk and the stream of air it emitted would act only on one side of the disk to produce a weak accelerating torque. Yet, at the end of the video he rotates the device that sits on the table in front of him. Am I to believe that he had another person out of frame that was also moving the air jet's nozzle around to follow and keep downward air pressure on the descending side of the wheel during his handling of it? At this point, I've seen nothing that convinces me that this is a hoax. But, yet, I can not fully accept it as genuine until it's sujccessfully duplicated by someone I consider credible.

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    2. Agreed. More generally, there's always the potential for any demonstrated effect to be a hoax.

      Always.

      But the focus for people like us is to weed out those examples where there's an anomolous principle to actually test, rather than simply trying to work out how the same results could be faked, which is of course trivial..

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    3. Quite true. Anything can be faked if one makes enough of an effort to do so. But, the chap, obviously British, in the video seems quite sincere although I found his explanation of how the disk rotated a bit confusing. There is a lie detector test used by various intelligence agencies known as "voice stress analysis". It requires a spoken answer to a question by a subject and then analyzes the various frequencies and flutter patterns in the spoken words to see if they are the type unconsciously produced when on is lying. It is supposed to be close to 100% accurate in detecting "deception" on the part of the speaker. Maybe the sound from the video could be analyzed with this method to determine if the presenter was lying or being deceptive.

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  12. Hi. For what's it's worth, I had a go at replicating the spinning polystyrene disk thingy, though using styrofoam instead. Everything else - wood, brass screws, aluminium file, tolerences etc. - seemed on par with what is seen in the video. The disk was also perfectly balanced. The result; zip, zero, nada to indicate any evidence of torque generation. Unless polystyrene is radically different from styrofoam, then this seems an outright fake. Those 'fat' axels seem a good place to start - I think you could easily fit one of those minature vibrator motors AND a button cell in there. But if that's how it's working, kudos to him for the triggering mechanism - unless of course that little motor is turning continuously and we just can't hear it! Then he'd just have to drop it into its 'stand' and the motor's spinning shaft friction would showly start the disk rotating, faster and faster - just as we see in the video.

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    1. Styrofoam is actually a polystyrene. "Styrofoam" is actually a brand name used by Dow Chemical.
      There are different densities of polystyrene used. For example a lighter density used in coffee cups, inexpensive beach coolers, etc., and heavier (and more expensive) densities used in applications like pink and blue rigid foam insulation and building panels.

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    2. Just another distraction to keep us from working on the real solution. Not unlike the distractions of a few here that claim (without proof) that simple lever mechanisms are responsible for the weight shifting.

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    3. I know polystyrene & styrofoam are very similar, but at least on Wikipedia there seems to be somewhat of a distinction drawn between the two. Plus I had someone argue on a FE forum that they have different characteristics. Anyway, I can assure you that at least with styrofoam, this thing doesn't work!

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    4. Omelette, I would suggest to you the same thing I recommended to Vibrator: try putting a piece of wire between the two pointed and single concave conductors. If it's not a hoax, that electrostatic pm motor could only work if there was a minute current flow taking place between the pointed and concave conductors. Perhaps with the particular wood he used in the model that he demonstrated and the way the wood pieces were attached to each other (perhaps bare wood to bare wood with a nail holding them together and a later external application of varnish, an excellent electrical insulator), he managed to allow that minute current flow through the base between the conductors while in your and Vibrator's version that minute current flow was absent.

      Update. Well, earlier this morning I was back at work on my wm2d model for Bessler's wheels. I'm now at model # 1233 and still no results. To do my due diligence I have to try, one at a time, all of the possible lifting rope connections that can exist between my 9:00 going to 10:30 lever and the other levers that are trying to make it "rise in a flash". The problem is that there are 32 possible combinations to test! So far, I've only tested about a quarter of them. Maybe I'll have some encouraging news to report tomorrow. That would really be nice for a change.

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    5. A wire between the electrodes would short any charge separation.

      If it DOES work, of course. I'll hash up a build starting tomorrow if i get time but i'm skeptical anything will happen. If it does though, guarantee you connecting the electrodes will stop it... ;)

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    6. Oh no, Vibe! There will be no charge build up on the two pointed and single concave electrodes unless they are in either direct physical contact with each other or indirect electrical contact with each other. I believe that in the video the electrodes in his model were in indirect electrical contact with each other through the fibers of the wooden base that supports the disc and electrodes. If what you come up with does not work, then please try connecting the electrodes together with a wire.

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  13. "Just another distraction to keep us from working on the real solution. Not unlike the distractions of a few here that claim (without proof) that simple lever mechanisms are responsible for the weight shifting."

    WHAT IS THE REAL SOLUTION ?

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    1. The "real" solution, I am very firmly convinced, can only be found through a very careful analysis of the many geometrical and alphanumeric clues embedded in the two DT portraits. I've found information in those portraits that, once it is published, will send a veritable shockwave through the pm chasing community. But, sadly, these clues will mean absolutely nothing to anyone who is not constantly building and seeing if a particular interpretation of clue is sending his design in the direction of success or away from it. I am now, literally, only a single lifting rope placement away from success. But, there are many ways to insert that single rope into the design and only one of them will result in the manifestation of the pm effect or the keeping of the wheel's CoM on its descending side during rotation. That's ultimately what this is all about: having a design's prime mover lever release gravitational potential energy at just the right rate to lift the wheel's CoM so as to perfectly counter the drum's effort to lower it with rotation. Unless that can done, no success will be found. Bessler found a design that did this and thousands of pm chasers over the centuries have tried, unsuccessfully, to replicate his achievement. Now it's our generation's turn to take a crack at solving this longstanding mystery.

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    2. This is all very interesting but this is far more interesting to me little self . . .

      So, K.B., how much in your opinion should the discoverer of, say, a 133% efficient operating gravity-impelled wheel receive for his offered triumph?

      As a guess according to your judgement, how much?

      (This being THE bottom line JUST as it was back in the day or as put cruder still: 'NO pay - NO play'. Yes, just THAT venal and THAT coarse.)

      What's the correct amount?

      Yes, tell us, woncha?

      James

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    3. Interesting question, James. Well, if the inventor presents his own design, then he deserves to get as much as he can for it. However, if someone, like me, presents Bessler's design, then he really has no right to get rich off of it. If I manage this feat, then I'll probably be lucky to just recover the production cost of the book I'll put out on the subject. My main goals are to solve this annoying centuries old enigma, vindicate Bessler as an honest man, and, hopefully, stimulate research into "free" energy devices. If I achieve those, I'll be rewarded enough.

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    4. Well, thanks very much for that carefully considered response.

      Were he here, from my own standpoint, I just cannot imagine that Bessler would not suggest getting "all you can" whether his in-toto or in mere part, the point being here the preservation of credit as placed where it belongs, not money.

      The fact is that there WAS NO "public disclosure" of what his device was those three centuries ago, to put the matter very leastwise

      If his design, whatever it was truly, was to be patented today, who would be able to say that it was in fact his, or not?

      No public disclosure = no EXISTENCE. See? (Yes, this especially for those not finding it after years or decades of unrewared searching.)

      In any case, I alone would not be interested in being involved with patenting. If one were to receive such while managing to stay alive during the process, he would need a BUILDING filled with attorneys and hundreds of billions to POLICE it!

      Infringement + lack of diligent policing = into the Public Domain after some statutorily prescribed period. This is the way it works.

      It would be unworkable by such as a Trump but maybe, just maybe by a Gates and even then, I think they would bury him.

      Just recently, while researching the subject, I found that the largest amount ever gotten from a Crowd Funding type effort was 82 millions, and this was for a G-D VIDEO GAME, of all things!!!!

      Of course all this is just academic until that some ONE produces tangibly.

      (I am thinking fifty million would assure a success, and then teh whole thing going directly into the Public Domain to be never ever retrieved by wicked poweres, once loosed. Such a ONE then should IMMEDIATELY relieve the impoverished chap that runs that other P-M site of it, and doing a real cleaning-out of certain of the commenting garbage and, as well, redesigning of that Greenie bully system of tiered elitism, and sheer impudent snottiness. Those suckers really get-off on it and their stinking petty power, no matter HOW MUCH they might care to deny it.)

      Again, your considered opinion is much appreciated.

      James

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    5. I think you are mistaken about Bessler not making a "public disclosure" of his imbalanced pm wheel mechanics. I believe that the "clues" in his two DT portraits do constitute such a disclosure even though, perhaps, only one person in the last three centuries (i.e., me!) has been able to "read" them. The situation is analogous nowadays to someone who has come up with a marvelous bit of software programming that allows a computer running it to do something incredible. The programmer, rather than sending the lines of code to the patent office along with an application, decides instead to publish the code for the program online somewhere. Perhaps the code is so complicated that only a few people in a million can read and understand it. Well, regardless of this detail, the patent office will still consider the material to be disclosed and "in the public domain" and no patent can be granted on it.

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    6. I think I understand.

      You state without equivocation, and with maximal rectitude and obvious certitude: "Well, regardless of this detail, the patent office will still consider the material to be disclosed and "in the public domain" and no patent can be granted on it."

      Really?

      Nearly breathtaking, is this new level of most impressive magnum arrogance, as coming from yourself, K.B.

      Now, might this action that you suppose occur as in interference proceeding as done by you and your attorneys or, as a challenge post- the fact of an issuance?

      Also, in either case, what might you desire to accomplish by such a direct, expensive and risky confrontation? (I am thinking here 'counter-suit'.)

      And as well (and this will be the last), depending on how many billions to be gained or lost by the parties to be adversely effected, for how long might you hope to REMAIN "upright and grand" as Kenneth Behrendt but not cement-jacketed?

      Sometimes I forget why I so-dislike you in my natural proclivity to be friendly. Little spates such as you have just now released serve to remind me why. (In this, am I alone?)

      J.

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    7. Some have mentioned to me that if I publish the "secret" of Bessler's wheels, then that will cause all sorts of legal action as to who has the "rights" to the design and any profits derived from it. Once again, I can only state that I have no interest in any profits that come from the design being utilized since I do not consider it my design, but rather that of another very gifted craftsman. If others want to try to make a profit off of the design or legally obtain rights to it, that is their business. Once I publish the design, then that means I am out of the picture. I am not an entrepreneur, only a researcher looking for the final truth behind the Bessler mystery.

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  14. I think that we all see "Aaa.. this was the clue, ... and this, .... and this...", but only after final sucess.
    Before that, we can just say: "Hey, this is possible clue". Do not forget, there is lot of missleadings in books.
    Other way there was all just too obvious.

    Eastlander

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  15. Update. Because of an incredible stroke of luck I was able to absolutely determine the two attachment points for one of the two lifting ropes attached to my model's 9:00 going to 10:30 lever. That allowed me to reduce the number of possible combinations that needed to be tested from 32 down to only 5! I made a separate model wheel for each of the possible combinations and ended with model # 1237. I felt like a hungry cat that had finally cornered a nice juicy mouse and was getting ready to ponce! That's when I notice something was not quite right. I noticed that my absolutely correct lifting rope was passing through a portion of the body of the lever to which it was attached! That is definitely verboten and I was stunned. This means that, assuming that rope is correct and I am very certain it is, my basic lever needs to be reshaped to allow some clearance for the rope. When I realized how I needed to reshape the lever, all of a sudden another DT potrait clue that has puzzled me for years became crystal clear as to its meaning. The bad news is that I wasted several hours making the extra models, but the good news is that by doing so I've discovered a major flaw in my lever shapes. This flaw is one that does not become apparent until one is very close to finally solving the Bessler wheel mystery. I've decided to skip the CoM stability testing of those five models I've added to my collection. Instead, I will make five new models that will incorporate the reshaped lever. Hopefully, I'll have a model template using the new lever ready in another day or two. That's how it goes with Bessler wheel reverse engineering: two steps forward and one backwards. Just when the cat thought he was going to enjoy a nice little snack, the mouse once again outsmarted him and escaped through a previously unsuspected (to the cat, that is) knot hole in a base board! Hunger, whether one is a cat or pm chaser, is a terrible thing...

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  16. Ken,

    Seeing you write the phrase ‘base board’ in your last reminded me of a theme I have tried to raise previously, concerning a construction method for Bessler wheel builders.

    The theme/observation/ idea I have been calling Back-Boarding, although your alternative phrase Base Board would describe the thing equally well. My thoughts on the matter began some years back when I saw just how many people showing their attempts at a self-overbalancing wheel on the web had begun their construction with a back board. That is to say they had mounted a thin solid disk (usually ply or MDF) on an axle and then attached levers/weights/springs or whatever to the surface of this disc.

    I do understand that this is a very simple quick and inexpensive way of getting going, getting building. However, I have serious reservations about the employment of (in most cases a full diameter) disc from which various bits and bobs are dangled. I can find no place for such an assumption in the clues Bessler left us. My thinking as well as my gut feeling is that people who have been building this way have fallen at the first hurdle, set off on the wrong foot right there and then, with their backboard.

    My question to you Ken is, does your computer-modelling programme do the same thing? Are you sticking things (as it were) on to a base board?

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    1. I too, have always used a back board, John, although I recently encountered some problems with mechanisms attached to it. Due to the relatively short lengths of the bolts attaching the mechanism to the board there is a limit on how much room there is to for the parts to move in relation to each other. I have found ways of reducing the number of collisions but it's very much a case trial and error. It would be much more effective if it was built between two backboards with more than sufficient space for everything to move without colliding with another part.

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    2. @ John Worton. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "back boarding" except that you seem to think it is a bad approach to building an imbalanced pm wheel. My wm2d model wheels are all made using a "standard" 3 foot diameter disk that is pinned to the background of the program's work space window. I could pin the disk to a vertical upright piece to simulate one of the wooden vertical supports Bessler used on his wheels, but that's not necessary to make a valid simulation. Then I pin my levers to the disk and, finally, attach the suspension springs between the levers and the disk and interconnect the levers with a set of coordinating ropes of various types. The design I have is very simple, but its parts must be carefully shaped and the attachments made to specific points on the levers and disk. Any significant deviation from this and the design will not work. It took Bessler about a decade to find "the" correct set of parameters that made his imbalanced pm wheels work. Come to think of it, I've been at it now, seriously (that means using simulation software), for about a decade, too. I suspect that what I've actually done, courtesy of the ambiguous DT portrait clues, is slowly retrace all of the false steps that Bessler made right up to the point where he first saw his house of Richters prototype wheel running. I'm not quite there, yet, but, I believe, very, very close now. I'm hoping that the next lever modification I have to make (I will work on it in a few hours) will be the last and then, after testing a few more lifting rope placements, I will finally be able to make a much anticipated and way overdue announcement on this blog.

      @ John Collins. It sounds like you have a somewhat flat and cramped physical build. I agree that expanding the thickness of your wheel will make a big difference in preventing part collisions. But, that approach requires making a sort of sandwich with two disks that are held apart from each other at a fixed distance. If that is done, however, then there is the additional problem of supporting the new structure, now properly referred to as a "drum". Basically, you will have to then have an axle that will pass through both disks and which will have to be supported on two bearings. With an extra disk, there will be problems accessing the interior mechanisms (I assume you have more than just a single mechanism on your build). Yes, making a physical prototype can be a challenge involving dozens of "little" engineering problems that must be identified and solved before success can be found. That is why I thank God I finally made the move to computer modeling and simulation. None of my parts collide with each other unless I want them to! Meanwhile, I'm free to concentrate on properly interpreting the DT portrait clues and modifying my model wheel's parts in the hope of finally finding success with a wheel that manages to keep the CoM of its weights and levers constantly on the wheel's descending side as the wheel rotates.

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    3. Ken,

      The answer to my question would appear to be yes? It is not a surprise to me that your computer-modelling programme is set up with the backboard in place. I suspected that might be the case.

      I can only say again that given the countless ways one could set about building a Bessler wheel, the fact that so many have gone for the backboard method I find surprising. It seems to me that they have all accepted a major design element; that Bessler’s wheel is essentially a thin flywheel, on to the sides of which are fastened weights levers and other things causing a perpetual overbalance. I do not share that vision of construction for Bessler’s wheel.

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    4. @John Collins

      Yes John, I know you are a backboarder. I saw one of your pieces once on Youtube looking like a large round thin slice of Swiss cheese all riddled with holes. I remember thinking Oh No! Not another backboarder!

      I afraid this notion of cutting out a circle of MDF mounting it on an axle and sticking bits on the front of it approach to Bessler wheel building just doesn’t do it for me. It doesn’t seem to fit with the clues either. For example, why would Bessler need to cover the sides of his wheels with thin boards and canvas to stop people seeing the mechanism? If the backboard method of construction was what Bessler also used, then the solid sides would already be there!

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    5. @ John Worton. I think I'm starting to understand what you mean by "back boarding". Yes, I attach my design's various levers and springs to a supporting disk or, as you say, a back board. In Bessler's actual wheels, however, there really was no back board like I and JC are using. In Bessler's wheels, the individual levers had pivots protruding from their fulcrums that were set into brass bearing cups which, themselves were set in the drum's wooden radial structural members. One of Bessler's wheels, minus its outer "casing" would, as he poetically says in AP, look somewhat like a peacock's tail. This means that the wooden frame that carried his wheel's levers was, basically, an open framework into which he could easily reach to attach the various coordinating ropes between the levers of the machine. This type of lightweight construction, however, poses a security risk because it also allows anyone viewing his wheels to see into their interiors and know how they were working. Thus, the need to apply an opaque casing material to the sides of the wheel. In his Gera and Draschwitz wheels, this material consisted on thin slats of wood that were just nailed to the sides of the drum. Apparently, these slats had small gaps between them that, occasionally, allowed a witness to catch a glimpse of the weights at the ends of the wheel's levers. That must have annoyed Bessler so he decided to make a more secure casing. For the Merseberg and Kassel wheels he changed the material to large sheets of oiled linen which, most likely, had been dyed to make them dark and block any parts of the wheel's interior from be observed from the outside. These were much lighter than the wooden casings and he could access the drum's interior through large holes cut in the fabric on one side of the wheel. When he was done with a repair to a wheel, he would then just put a large patch of linen over the inspection hole and pin it in place somehow. So, indeed, Bessler was not back boarding, but he could have if he had chosen that design option and his wheels would have still operated much the same way.

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  17. Update. Well, I just finished my latest (and, hopefully, last!) lever reshaping and it was a real workout. There is only a small change in the shape of this lever, but to build it on wm2d turned out to be real hassle. There are about a dozen attachment points on the lever (not all will be used, thank God) and each has to be precisely located. That required me to do many trigonometric calculations on a handheld scientific calculator and then input the various x and y coordinates for each attachment point into wm2d so that it would move the attachment point to its correct spot on the lever. I began working on the lever and, after an hour when I was about 90% done, some bug in my PC forced the wm2d program to suddenly shutdown. There was nothing I could do to stop it and as it closed, I remembered that, because I was focused on getting all of the attachment points just right, I had neglected to save my work and it was all lost! An hour of work down the drain. So, I had to start from scratch and, that time, I made damn sure I saved after each attachment point was added to the lever. In another hour I finally had my new lever. Then I copied and pasted 8 of them into my model 3 foot diameter wheel, added the springs and a few preliminary ropes, and had my template or "source" wheel completed. I must admit that it looks very interesting although simple and I can just "feel" that this is it. However, I will still need to test five different placements of one of its lifter ropes in the coming days to find out if I finally have "it". Right now I need to take a long overdue break, eat, and watch a nice '50's b sci-fi movie I found on youtube. A cat can get mighty tired chasing a pm mouse around all night!

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    1. Let me guess, K.B.: it was "The Giant Mantis" or perhaps "THEM" or, if not that one then "IT, the Terror from Beyond Space!!!"

      Ah the Fifties. How I miss them day when sex was non-existent and everything else was: http://www.retrococktail.org/

      J.

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    2. All of those films you mentioned I have, of course, seen many times. All are true classics of the '50's genre. But, the film I watched last night was "A Monster on Campus" shot in 1958. I had never seen this one before and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's an interesting variation on the Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde plot with accidental exposure to the irradiated blood of a "living fossil fish", the coelacanth, taking the place of Dr. Jekyll potion for unleashing the "beast within". Nice film and I'd recommend it to anyone interested in this genre. No overt sex in any of these films, but they made up for it by using young, nubile female costars that were the love interest of the hero who was usually a scientist or, at least, a technician of some sort. At the end of most of these films, after Earth and the human race was saved from total destruction, the relieved couple would be seen holding hands or hugging and the audience all knew what that would eventually lead to. Thanks to youtube and streaming video, I'm now able to find some rather rare films from this period that I'd never seen before.

      Update. If all goes smoothly, early tomorrow morning I'll begin working on the models that will use the last 5 possible lifter rope attachment possibilities one of which I am very convinced will be "it". The cat is starting to zero in on that elusive pm mouse. He's beginning to salivate copiously! But, perhaps, like all cats, he will play with his prey a bit before consuming it. Stay tuned, folks!

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    3. The memory of that one does not come in really clearly here but, I'm sure I saw that one as your description does ring bells. I was going to guess 'werewolf'' before I read your entire description of the action. Many youngsters, as I found out, do not remember Michael Landon and his "I Was A Teenage Werewolf" starring role. I know you must have seen it. Scary a 'h' to a teenager as I then was. ("The beast within" here gets unleashed when I read about too many ever-ascending model numbers appearing - ha!)

      I know that we are of the same era but maybe not the right area?

      Did you have drive-in movie theaters there in the East?

      Somehow, I just imagine that such were not suited to the climate situation there. (I don't think the English would have any idea of what this was at all.) Where I grew up, in San Bernardino in California - a larger desert city, the weather was PERFECT for these, and of course it all turned into a marvelous subculture sort of development.

      Many teenaged hi-jinks were perpetrated when the lights went out. Lot's of making-out of straights and who knows what else for certain others. (Secret stuff then not even named!) Most now have been torn down, but still a few survive being supported by nostalgia groupie types of that era.

      Tonight it is to be "The Beast From Fifty-Thousand Fathoms" this I think from quite early like '51 or '52. (This was updated in true virtuoso style in 1998, in the "Godzilla" version starring Mathew Broderick, this being way, way more like "Beast" than what it was named for.)

      James

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    4. K.B. (and others as well)

      You are big on the Sci-Fi Fifties so . . . do not miss this . . .

      http://129.237.213.244:8000/mp3/First_4283.mp3

      Just paste this address into your browser and listen for guaranteed, out-of-this-world enjoyment! Two HOURS worth!

      James

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    5. Oh, yes, we had those drive-in theaters out here on the east coast and I saw many a movie in them. I think the last time I was in one of the last of these was in the late '70's. Aside from the upward sloping paving that allowed backseat passengers to see the distant screen, there were those clunky metal speakers that you had to hang on your driver side window and which never seemed to be loud enough. Then the annoyance of them starting the movie before twilight had ended so that the image on the screen was washed out. But, the hot dogs, popcorn, candy, and soda during intermission made up for it all. Sadly, that's a bygone era that the "millenials" will never see. Now we have youtube, cable tv, and microwave our popcorn and hot dogs. Not the same, but at least we do not have to worry about it raining on our windshields during the movie! I think you meant 1953's "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" starring Kenneth Tobey and Paula Raymond. Yes, an excellent stop action animation fx film that probably inspired the Japanese to come out with the original Godzilla movie the next year. Tobey actually starred in several '50's sci-fi movies and played various military types. Also, thanks for the link to that long music file. I only had time to skim through it, but I immediately recognized many of the pieces they played being used in various '50's sci-fi films. I used to call this tunes (formerly known as "space pop", I think) music to mutate by! Lol! Yes, the dawning of the atomic age coupled with "waves" of UFO sightings worldwide had a profound effect on movies and music from that very interesting decade.

      Update. I had a very productive night with my wm2d modeling. I now have a set of five separate model wheels, #'s 1239 through 1243 which all utilize my newly discovered lever shape and each have one of the possible attachment point pairs for the last lifter rope in Bessler's wheel. In the coming days I will test each one of them because I am very, very convinced that one them must be "it". I am particularly suspicious of # 1241 because the alphanumeric clues that give the pair of attachment points for its remaining lifter rope are actually contained in both of the DT portraits! That can not be a coincidence. I shall save the testing of # 1241 for last in case I am right. Well, the cat has been patiently stalking that pm mouse and finally tracked him down to a single room in the house. The cat can smell the scent of the tasty mouse that is lurking behind one of only five objects in the room. But, the cat will first eliminate the four lease likely hiding places for the mouse. Then, with muscles tensed, he will spring upon the remaining object and finally enjoy that snack he's been dreaming about for such a long time. Hopefully, he will not be disappointed again by that crafty pm mouse's last second disappearing act. But, what if he is? That's something that is not even entering the cat's mind at this point in time.

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    6. (Well now, K.B. here we two are on safe ground vis-a-vis one another, where you become actually likable to me but, on that other there is always potential for most unpleasant, mutual abrasiveness. Neither is going to wear the other 'down', to say nothing of 'out'.)

      As to The Beast, year-wise I just guessed and came close. I recall having seen the frightening thing when brand-new. It really got-to the then eight-year-old mind.

      I am pleased that you found the link of interest and, you are welcomed.

      I recommend everything else to be found there, as well. Many very pleasant Fifties hours are to be had there, no doubt. The show is always as professional as it gets and dependably-so. (He, Darryl Brogdon the genial but hip host/producer), did one that's in the archive for listening dedicated to horror movies. It was created for the Halloween of that year, 2012?, as I recall.

      It is good that you Easterners enjoyed drive-ins but your weather factor out there must have been one become problematical at times. I know factually that desert community existence and living was a thing way differing from that only approximately equivalent of the East's; the resulting cultures' developments becoming then on the account rather more disparate than not.

      " I used to call this tunes (formerly known as "space pop", I think) music to mutate by! Lol! Yes, the dawning of the atomic age coupled with "waves" of UFO sightings worldwide had a profound effect on movies and music from that very interesting decade."

      How true, and we that were produced by it (essentially) being the ACTUAL "greatest generation," I truly believe. (And, of course, even without having any drive-in's there, so was J.C. too.)

      James

      PS Once again for any that might have missed it, it is: http://www.retrococktail.org/ and they are running currently the "Attack of the 50-Foot Woman" and "Attack of the Crab Monsters" in "Cinema A Go-Go". In those days, various of 'attacks' in movies seemed the 'in' thing, just as Russia was in but held very much out of mind because real attack-wise. http://www.retrococktail.org/cinema-a-go-go.html (This is all non-commercial stuff as coming from various educational institutions of Kansas State, thus the '.org'.)





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    7. Funny you mention "Attack of the Crab Monsters" and "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman". I just watched the former very interesting film (that featured Russell Johnson later to play the professor on "Gilligan's Island") and have the latter on my To Be Watched list. There seemed to be a standard list of recommended titles for these films that went something like: "Attack of the...", "Night of the ...", "Revenge of the ...", "Return of the...", "Son of ...", etc. These signaled the audience to the fact that the film was horror or sci-fi and gave a general idea of the plot. Nowadays we just have the less imaginative ".... II", "...III", "...IV", etc. to denote ongoing sequels.

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    8. Hmmm . . .

      There was a pattern there. Never noticed it.

      Yes, the various revenges, returns, nights and sons of, these did signal just that as you noted.

      Well, K.B., I guess you are good for something solid after all.

      I seem to recall also, that there was a 'Daughter of' and a 'Fury of'.

      (Now, I'll just bet you can plug-in the rest of these titles too, no?)

      And it is so that all of the sequalings designated by Roman numerals just demonstrate the fact of the pathetic emptiness of modern "creativity" or some like, vapid thing.

      Let's seen now, WHAT is it to be for two night?

      Ah yes! - "The Beast That Challenged The World" and "Attack of the Eye Creatures"

      (A YouTube Double Feature.)

      J.

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    9. I do remember a film from, I think, the mid '60's titled "Fury of the Wolfman" that starred a Spanish actor named Paul Naschy whose real name was Jacinto Molina. He was dubbed the "Spanish Lon Chaney" and was probably the most violent werewolf ever filmed because of his vicious attacks on his victims. I think you meant "The Monster that Challenged the World" from 1957 which is a really well done sci-fi monster movie. I started watching a movie last night with a ridiculous title of "I Married a Monster from Outer Space". I thought it would be a total waste of time, but was pleasantly surprised to find some top notch special fx and an interesting plot as well. The message of the film is simple. Not only are aliens invading our solar system and Earth's atmosphere, now they're even in our bedrooms too! Lol! Obviously meant to make a female date at a movie start to wonder if the guy next to her is acting strange because he's really an alien out to mate with her.

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  18. It will be interesting to see John's mechanism and the unscrambled sentence when he finally throws in the towel. It shouldn't be much longer, let's hope. We need to put a fork in this.

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    1. Sounds like you are predicting that John's mechanism will not work and, once he's sure of that, he will finally reveal all. But, what if his mechanism does work?! If it does, will he still reveal it?

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    2. We need to put a fork in this.

      We need to put a fork in this.

      We need to put a fork in this.

      What a simplistic but masterful statement of truth.

      (And, while we're about it, I can think of about A DOZEN here-and-there I'd like to fork really, really good. Maybe I'll get to. We'll see how it all goes.)

      James

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    3. Imagine this improbable scenario. John, completes his wheel and discovers to his utter amazement that not only is it a runner, but it's outputting prodigious amounts of energy. Then he eventually realizes that it has nothing to do with Bessler's wheels. In other words, he realizes that he has, by incredible good fortune, actually developed a different pm wheel that is far more powerful than anything Bessler produced. Still think he's going to "reveal all" on this blog or any of his other websites? Well, we shall see. I hope he has something that works whether or not it's the same that Bessler found.

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    4. There isn't any doubt John's mechanism will fail.
      He said he would post up his results after his last effort at making it work in hope that someone else could make it work.
      I thought he said earlier that it would be in a few weeks, but now that he is moving to Spain it could be next year. I hope not. We need something new to read and talk about besides your 1245th mouse.

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    5. I like to use as few words as possible to say what I want to say, James. That might sound harsh to some but it works for me and, it certainly works for blog comments.

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    6. You're exaggerating! I'm only up to model # 1243 currently! I remain more convinced than ever that that elusive "pm mouse" will be found lurking in model # 1241. I should know sometime next week.

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    7. Just think, K.B.

      If ONLY you had stopped at model #1200 as you led us all to believe that you likely would, THINK of all the time you would not have wasted upon pursuing the next forty one!

      This mass of time, then, could have been far more productively utilized for the viewing of all those wonderful Fifties B&W, science fiction YouTube goodies, no?

      Now, no matter how you might elect to smiley-face this raw fact, all those hours ARE GONE to be never retrieved.

      We seekers-after PM have probably tens of thousands of hours individually NOW VANISHED from our lives on account.

      Who among us will not wish fruitlessly upon our deathbeds, that we HAD NOT?

      You see, this pursuit is an endless "doubling-down" as we call it here, in Las Vegas, on the bet that WE alone are to prevail and grab the glory. This is also called here "a sucker's bet."

      Understand?

      So, the question remains before us: how soon that fork stuck-in and, when to call it "quits"???

      (The most patient female attendants REMAINING, of male PM seekers will fully understand the rightness and necessity to be found within my query, I honestly believe.)

      "The most precious coin of Man's existence is that of TIME." - J.M.M.

      James

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    8. But, if I had stopped model # 1200, then I would not have stumbled upon the correct interpretation of an additional portrait clue that allowed me to find the exact lever shape Bessler used! Now, because of my stubborn persistence, I am only a single lifter rope attachment away from victory. Well, in a week's time I shall know for sure. Part of me is, paradoxically, actually dreading that victory for I know it will then oblige me to produce a detailed book on the subject and that will demand a tremendous amount of effort on my part.

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  19. The secret principle of the prime mover is not a simple lever system by which a weight lowers, and by mechanical advantage, raises another weight, with the raised height being greater than the drop height, or the raised weight being greater in mass than the dropped weight.

    Trevor and John and 0ystein can continue to make their claims, but have you ever wondered why they haven't come forward with a runner after all these years? Well it's because their interpretations of the clues are either wrong or they are purposely hiding the real principle so as to keep others from finding it.

    JMHO as an anonymouse. Believe what you will, but the facts are the facts.

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    1. "they are purposely hiding the real principle so as to keep others from finding it."
      Yes, of course, Trevor Dawsey, John and Oystein are working for big oil !

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    2. Seemingly, you know.

      If not those things that you listed, then what?

      J.

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    3. The first Anonymous wrote:

      "The secret principle of the prime mover is not a simple lever system by which a weight lowers, and by mechanical advantage, raises another weight, with the raised height being greater than the drop height, or the raised weight being greater in mass than the dropped weight."

      I do agree that there is not enough gravitational potential energy or GPE lost by my 7:30 going to 9:00 levers to raise the 9:00 going to 10:30 levers fast enough. That is exactly why my first 1200+ models failed. However, I have found an additional source of GPE to tap and my 9:00 going to 10:30 levers are, indeed, finally "rising in a flash" back toward the drum's rim. Now I have the problem of precisely controlling that rate of rise.

      Update. I began testing four of the five model wheels I now have this morning which would be model #'s 1239, 1240, 1242, and 1243. A preliminary Run of these four shows that all of their moving levers are shifting smoothly during a motor assisted 45 degree segment of drum rotation. But, appearances can be very deceptive with these models. It's not enough for the levers to shift smoothly. They must also shift in a precise fashion with respect to each other. In particular, there is a critical relationship between the rate at which the 7:30 to 9:00 lever swings in toward the axle and the rate at which the 9:00 to 10:30 lever begins rising back toward its rim stop. This relationship is a function of how the final lifting rope I am testing is attached between the 7:30 and 9:00 levers and, so far using the two DT portraits, I have identified five possible attachment points on the 9:00 lever for this rope to be attached to. This is why I am now beginning to test the five model wheels I mentioned above. Each model uses a different attachment point for the rope and one of them, I am very much convinced, will be "the" one that finally allows the CoM of all of the wheel's weights and levers to remain floating on the wheel's descending side despite drum rotation. What about model # 1241? Did I forget it? No, it's actually the one of the five I most suspect as having the lifter rope attach the correct point on the 9:00 lever. I intend to test it last if (most likely when) the other four fail to give me that persistent imbalance that Bessler's wheels had. The additional testing will extend into the coming week. The cat must play a little before he finally pounces on and feasts upon that elusive pm mouse! Hunger tends to enhance the flavor of everything.

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  20. I have stopped writing about what I am doing, because it only arouses anger and frustration and also brings me down. I don`t have to defend the way I work to anybody. I work steady towards a goal,and at any time chose the best way forward. I have devoted my life to complete this task, don`t worry. I am well on my way to complete the first first, second and third part of this task. The first task was to find out if Bessler used some kind of intelligent code, that can be proven. (not talking about interpretations or clues) The second task was to document it. When I documented it, I found that it also was used by other great artists before him (and after him). This documentation had the greatest implications! And is of great historical importance. This material gave me the opportunity to make and publish more than one book. So, the third task is to actually publish it, this includes closing deals and making it understandable for the average readers etc. This is a process that takes time, but I hope to live many more years. At the moment my plan is to publish quite an exciting story (or two) about these facts regarding Bessler, but also how he leads us to all the other artists and writers that used the same methods. What did they do? Why did they do it? And what do we find? What is this intellectual game all about? From this I hope I will get the opportunity, time, resources and attention and finally get in touch with some special people who can see that history is being written Then I hope to be part of a team that will be able to spend a defined frame of time working professionally on the final goal: Professional replication of the wheel. This is the only way my work can pay Bessler real justice, (with the greatest care and use the available resources optimally at any time) independent of the final outcome of the Quest.

    I will give you an example regarding the "incomplete 5":

    John (no pun intended) think that the 5 or "the incomplete 5" is a clue and finally is interpreted to mean 5 mechanisms inside Besslers wheel. As this can`t actually be proven, we rightfully call it an interpretation.

    But, this actually serves us no good and is the result of "intellectual cheating". Because if it don`t mean 5 mechanisms, we have wasted much of those years where we believed it meant 5 mechanisms. So if I sit in a garage and build wheels using 5 mechanisms without success, most of my work is in wain.

    On the other hand, if I continue to search to understand the meaning of the incomplete 5, I may finally gain something. Namely one more understanding of what Bessler knew. I can come one step closer both an interesting documentation and finally a working wheel. This also means that building wheel can come in the way for real research!

    As a result of this way of thinking, I found that the incomplete 5 was used by others prior to Bessler. So what does that mean? It means that the incomplete 5 probably don`t mean 5 mechanisms, because the earlier artists using it did not know about the wheels mechanical construction or the later existence of it. No, it must be because Bessler knew of a secret method, a cipher used prior to 1700. (So we must not translate a cipher key directly to mechanical ideas). The chances is great that this other artist also was a German. So I had to make a choice: Spend valuable time building 5 mechanism, or find the other German artist and search the methods he used?

    This is why I have chosen to work different than other Bessler researchers, and I claim that this is the best way to succeed, for me! You may say what ever you like, but I will continue forward at a steady paste, and I do produce results that will be available for everybody at some time.

    Best O:R

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    1. I assume by "incomplete 5" you are referring to the figure that appears at the end of the first line of text under the first of the DT portraits. Yes, it does look somewhat like an incomplete numeral five, but it's just a calligraphic semicolon. I doubt if it has the significance you and John "see" in it. Semicolons are used to separate items in a list and are intended to be stronger than a comma, but not as strong as a period in signaling the reader how much of a pause to put between the items when reading them. Under the first DT portrait, Bessler gives his professional name, "Orffyreus", and then uses the semicolon to separate it from the list of titles that applied to him in the next two lines down.

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    2. How much are they paying you to say that Bessler worshipped the devil ?

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  21. Bessler uses it in other places too, in other variations with other parts of the "5" removed, so it can`t be a semicolon. And it has been used by other artists where it is representing 5 as part of mathematical quests. So it is a method, and has a purpose. You are wrong, sorry.

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    1. Well, if you are convinced that it's really a 5 with some special meaning, then I'm not going to be able to change your mind, Oystein. The ultimate test of anybody's interpretations of Bessler's clues is, imo, whether or not those clues lead to a physical duplication of his wheels. If not, then those interpretations are ultimately of little value. Let's hope you have something that will lead to a runner.

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    2. You don`t seem to understand the implications I suggest: How can you say that it is of little value that we can now prove how other artists used incomplete numbers as a way of sending a second message? With or without a wheel, this is a result of uncovering Orffyreus code in a historical perspective.. You are in no position to say that it has little value? I say that a wheel has great value. So has understanding all the other secrets of history.And finally both combined has the greatest value. But first you have to understand Bessler and his peers methods.You can say that your work has no value without a working wheel, because you but your interpretations directly onto your wheel. I say that this is NOT what Bessler did! He used a "second language" known to other men of history, this is what you see direct traces of, not things on your machine. You see the difference?

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  22. In a way, you are right, because Bessler always has a obvious reason for placing the information there. The average reader, not aware of the historical use of "incomplete" 5 AND other incomplete numbers, would have to "see" or interpret a semicolon. What else could it be? Because a complete 5, makes no sense either! But since other artists used incomplete numbers, and they did use it as an opportunity to send a second message, we should see this as a place where Bessler also could send a second message. It is really about how can a second message be sent without the average reader being able to see that it even exist a second message. A code you can`t see is much harder to crack than one you can see, obviously.

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    1. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are right and that Bessler was employing a "second language" to send a message to others for some purpose. If so, then that message may have had absolutely nothing to do with his wheels! He could have been sending a coded message about some religious belief he had or some political opinion he had about the social pecking order in early 18th century Europe. If you want to pursue these possibilities, then you certainly can. I, however, keep my focus on his wheels and the mechanics they would have had to have utilized because that is really the most fascinating part of his saga for me (and, I suspect, for about 99% of everybody interested in Bessler). To each his own.

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  23. You must also remember that the world is full of people not so interested in Bessler. There are many more people who would like to know the code used by Durer, da Vinci, the Templars, Alchemists, Rosy Cross, Jesuits or the Freemasons etc. So anything that can open their eyes to Bessler and connect him to those more known would benefit Besslers case in general. Don`t you think?

    Yes, Bessler hiding another kind of message is among the important possibilities we always have to consider, and not fear or avoid. The thermometer you refer to, could be the temperature of the alcohol, number of prayers to get saved, or steps to salvation or whatever.. I like to see what appears through systematic analyze,, not try to see what I can make appear through will. I have always been open to a message about alcohol or some other way of "cheating" etc, always keeping out for anything that is intelligent and systematic. I always work as I am about to show it publicly to a very intelligent audience.

    You see if he encoded alcohol and some other parts to utilize it as suggested by Bill, it would still be of equal importance. Don`t you think? Even religion would be important, because then people could stop looking for mechanical information in his written work!!

    But, as you should know by now, I have done that "dirty job", and I found that the "language", or defined set of methods, first speaks of the methods he learned from others, then he give examples and lessons, and finally he adds a couple of own "keys", and show consistent mechanical solutions. For me, the first important proof is that what he show, works as predicted and exists in the external important/known work that he refers to, this is publicly hidden work existing prior to his time by still famous people, and still publicly unsolved.

    Lastly, the more I refine my work, the smaller is the chance that I have missed a part or something in the final mechanical solution. Failed and premature replication is the only thing that could cause my project to halt. I must come to a point where I can separate the paperwork from the mechanical work, er else failing or being premature in one project would ruin the other. Now I have proven they are separate works and I know I can contribute to Besslers case, (but also others) what ever happens.

    Happy quest to everybody.

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  24. Let's investigate this hypothesis. There's a secret code used by the secret societies of the age, and Bessler coded the workings of his wheel in AP. Sounds plausible, but wait, all the other secret members could learn of the wheel. Well there goes that theory. Of course there is another possibility. The design pre-dates Bessler, and that is what the secret societies throughout history have been hiding. The holy grail was not the cup of Christ or the virgin Mary, but the gravity wheel, and when Bessler built and went public with the wheel, breaking the vow of secrecy, the society arranged for a timely fall from a building. Well this scenario makes more sense.

    I too know something about decoding, and I am now willing to share what Bessler was actually trying to say in his secret code, and it is not what you think. I placed his secret in the code segment below. To decode, simply replace each letter in the code with the letter two positions to the left in the alphabet. Wrap from the beginning to end if necessary. For example, you would replace 't' with 'r', or 'b' with 'z'. All I ask is you don't attempt to patent this principle.

    BMLR DMPECR RM BPGLI WMSP MTYJRGLC

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    1. ZKJP BKNCAP PK ZNEJG UKQN KRWHPEJA

      Yep, I now know all the secrets to the Universe!

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    2. Oops. Two letters to the right. That makes sense.

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    3. AGR EQORNGVG DWNNUJKV CU YCU GZRGEVGF

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    4. BMLR DMPECR RM BPGLI WMSP MTYJRGLC

      Replace each letter with the letter in the alphabet two letters ahead. Replace B with D, and so on.

      0ystein got it, come one.

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    5. That looks like the same message I once decoded using my Captain Midnight secret decoder ring badge after he gave the secret code following one of his '50's tv shows. The message was "Don't Forget to Drink Your Ovaltine". Yeah, just a dumb commercial when I was expecting some Earth shattering secret! What a rip off! But, the positive part was that this chocolate / malt flavoring for milk did get us kids to drink our milk and its calcium, magnesium, and protein helped build strong bones and muscles for us. Note that "Ovaltine" is an anagram for "Vital One" and one will not be very vital with weak bones and muscles.

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    6. It does, doesn't it, K.B.?

      I sure wish I still had mine. Maybe it could be useful with cracking Besslerian codes, presuming they actually exist? (I wonder if our Brit cousins were into the code right thing. It just seems not right that they would have. "I reserve the right to be wrong." - Jim_Mich)

      Yes, that admonition so familiar to us to drink it but, now it is SERATAN that we older ones might better profit by consuming. (Ah, what wondrous capitalistic loyal "consumers" we are! Consume baby; SHOP 'till you DROP!)

      OK now, you code people: WHAT is the coded meaning behind this above mentioned product???

      (Please K.B., don't give it away to these mere, strapping youth, OK? Let them find it for themselves.)

      Also, I did not know that "Ovaltine" meant such a thing. Fascinating. Thanks for letting us know. I am of the growing opinion they you know EVERYTHING (except, of course, how to access true knowledge of the Prime Mover itself, everything else probably you do.)

      The great German pianist Alfred Reisenauer commenting upon the even greater Polish same Ignace Paderewski: "Yes, it is so, he knows EVERYTHING no doubt . . . . . . except music!"

      Only goes to show . . .

      - J.

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    7. Er...don't you mean "Serutan"? Wish I did know everything, but I gave up on that decades ago. I'm quite content to just know the basics and a few of the "big" theories du jour. Finally, rediscovering the secret of Bessler's wheels represents one of the major enigma solutions that I've pursued for decades (I have, so far, only achieved two others). Now, thanks to God, I do believe I am within reach of my goal. The next week will be a critical one for me.

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    8. Yes, K.B., you are correct as I was not: "SERUTAN"

      "That's . . . . . . . ."

      This, then, serves to prove that I am not perfect, contrary to popular grapevine rumor (rumour).

      So, I guess from The Peanut Gallery we have no guesses yet?

      Well, then let's give them more time, since they are SO very in-love with codes, codes, codes?

      Remember Marlin Perkins and his show sponsored by, I think, Weatherbee rifles? I believe it was all about hunting or wildlife or something, being really early like China Smith and Masquerade Party? (Just TRY and find any episodes of "The Adventures of China Smith"; you do and I shall grace your posterior right here with caresses aplenty - ha! This has to be THE rarest of the rare filmed early TV.)

      J.

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    9. Anybody who can't decode the secret message in "SERUTAN" should probably not even try figuring out how Bessler's wheels worked! Lol!

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    10. As far as "The Adventures of China Smith" is concerned, you can probably obtain a DVD of most of the kinescopically recorded tv episodes on Amazon. I vaguely remember that early show. I think it had Dan Duryea or someone like that in it. Took place in Singapore?

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    11. Yes, exactly, starring Dan Duryea and in Singapore or maybe Shanghai?

      We were only single digits old when we saw this last, and all innocent and pink. Things have now changed.

      As I recall from sixty three years ago, it began with a giant gong crash (much like the British film studio stuff that did) and diaphanous looking smoke or white drapes wafting, and featured him using a bar as an office, and some creepy empress sort of looking woman was involved, maybe his girlfriend? That is a long time back to remember any finer details.

      Over the years I have checked with Internet searches but, so-far only descriptions have been returned, not links going to materials for sale.

      I think it was actually staged and FILMED for early syndication, K.B. so some really good stuff should show up somewhere eventually but, so-far nada.

      Also, lots of Jackie Gleason EARLY kinescope material exists but, the owners will NOT turn loose of it. We'll all be dead before it gets to the public. What's the use in that?

      I don't know what is wrong with them. I have noted an almost psycho single-mindedness in PM searchers. All they can know is THAT, and nothing else in their presumably empty existences enters! Talk about a myopic view of life. Indeed, the search after this has driven many to suicide and familial destruction. It is best that we shall soon be able to insert that fork into "it".

      Come on now, "SERUTAN."

      If they cannot crack this one, there are HOPELESS for Bessler's.

      J.

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    12. I was surprised that Amazon did not have that early '50's tv show on DVD. Well, that's not the first time I have discovered that not everything is on DVD or likely to be. You can try this site which I think will let you view the various episodes for free after you create an account. Not completely sure it's free, but you can check it out at your convenience:

      https://www.tracktvlinks.com/watch-the-new-adventures-of-china-smith-1954

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  25. mmm Tasty Anonymous person. You didn`t read my whole post when commenting. As usual, I also said that he add his own keys to create a new code when he show the machine related stuff. But what you people really seems to forget is the fact that his Maschinen Tractate was NOT available until after his death, and that is where that key is placed! He only wanted to share this when the machine was sold, or after his death. How come, do you think?

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    1. No offense 0ystein. Just trying to get you off your keister and get the solution out there so the world can move ahead. Every day waited is another billion in the pockets of those who don't need them. You get the idea.

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    2. Sorry, Oystein, but I still have to consider all of this code talk as a distraction that can keep the serious Bessler wheel reverse engineer from zeroing in on the actual alphanumeric / geometric codes Bessler used in the DT portraits to give the technical specifications of the parts he used in his wheels. I also have to dismiss the notion that the secret pm mechanism Bessler used in his imbalanced wheels was known to the ancients or various secret societies. If that had been the case, then Bessler would not have had to spend a decade making hundreds of attempts before he finally made it to a working prototype at the house of Richters. I don't deny that Bessler was into all sorts of numerological, astrological, and religious symbolism. His interests were many and varied. I'm also sure that much of the symbolism of these appeared in his writings. But, I doubt if any of that will lead to a blueprint that will allow one of his wheels to be duplicated. I do, however, know that there are clues in the DT portraits that relate directly to the internal mechanics of his wheels. If I find success in the testing of my current version of his wheels' mechanics, based on the DT portrait clues I've found so far, then, eventually, I will be obliged to publish all of those clues and, at that time, I am confident that those studying the material will agree that there can be little doubt that Bessler put the secret of his wheels into those two portraits. The truth of this matter will finally be know and, I am very highly confident, will lead to the successful physical replication of his wheels.

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  26. I really don't dismiss what JC and 0ystein believe they have found, and I hope they are correct. We just need someone to come forward (soon) with positive proof, and it seems like they are the closest and are able to prove it even though they don't have a working wheel. Their clues, if you want them that, would prove the principle. So many people will be building better and better wheels that no one will remember the first. We also need to keep in mind that Bessler made the first wheel, so replicating it isn't the real goal, getting the truth out to the public is. I won't say this is a national emergency, but with global warming (if you believe in this), pollution, the poor doing without electricity and heating or cooling, is a matter of life and death. Withholding the information from the public in this time of need I think is very selfish. There must be a way to get the information out and still get credit and the rewards sought.

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  27. "Withholding the information from the public in this time of need I think is very selfish."

    It isn't any such thing.

    The innately selfish impulse found within most of Mankind is concerted there for purposes of SURVIVAL, outward big displays of infinite altruism" to the point even of one's own people's mass suicide, is THE false one now so popular, and is not the rational based one to which I refer.

    You say it is very selfish. I say it is the same now as it was for Bessler three centuries ago - A TEST of whether or not this newer Humanity that is ours WILL PAY (or once again not) some tiny little token amount for what is so precious and essential to them as you have made clear. (And now, this being way-more-so than back then.)

    You contend that "There must be a way to get the information out and still get credit and the rewards sought"

    Must there?

    By what measure of logic do you DARE suggest this?

    Surmise? Wishful "thinking"? The "altruism" that is fueled solely by the emotions with not a thought given to consequences resulting therefrom? Hmm?

    PAY UP, I say or it goes BACK into the Trick Box of History for what, another three centuries?

    Once again it is to be THE TEST.

    Pass or fail, THAT is the way it is to be.

    (Of course, just speculatin' that it will be thus, ya know?)

    James

    PS I have a good and dear friend who fights me about this, his position being very close to that of the above Anonymous. I tell him to convince me with logic that I should not be advocating for such a test model as Bessler himself did, dying with the secret intact as proof of his dedication to it !!

    Really, really, really now, are we to think that after ALL THAT, he would now want the Greatest Secret of utter pricelessness of all of history that he kept so well, to be just THROWN under the cloven hooves of the snorting, demanding stamping crowd of filthy, fracking ignorance? (I am quite sure I know the truth of this one.)

    Fake, liberal "altruism" will not sway easily this seeker. (Better hope and pray that I do not gain possession of it, and that one of YOU does. Better.)

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    1. Actually, if I now had the secret of Bessler's wheels, I'd gladly trade it for the secret of making a low cost, nearly 100% efficient solar panel of some type. With enough of those, we could leave those carbon emitting fossil fuels where they belong: down deep in the bowels of the Earth with the other fossils of things long dead. Humanity must turn to our Sun for its future power needs and, of course, also conserve where possible and replace older energy inefficient technologies with newer high efficiency electrically powered technologies. With the atmosphere cleansed of greenhouse gases and all of those solar panels turning sunlight into electricity, we can begin to see the effects of Climate Change reversing. Hmmm...everyone is talking about solar panels. I wonder if it would be possible to make a "thermo panel". This would be a long flexible structure that would be lowered into the ocean. It would use the temperature difference between the depths of the ocean and the surface to generate electricity and in the process cool down our overheating oceans. I consider Bessler's wheels to be demonstrations of how the mass energy of matter can be directly tapped to power external machinery. Yes, they worked, but not very powerfully. There are enormous amounts of energy locked up in all of the matter that surrounds us. All we have to do is figure out how to safely tap into it. Assuming the human race survives, we can expect the energy generation technology at the end of this century to look a whole lot different from anything we have today or might even envision. Enough philosophizing from me for the moment. I have to begin testing the first of those five "final" wm2d models tonight. I, of course, expect an initial failure since I am starting with the one I think least likely to be "the" one. But, one never knows...

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    2. This seems to me, at least, a good idea but, how to concentrate this energy so as to become useful, would be the difficulty, as I see it provisionally.

      From many years back, in the Thirties even, I think there ware solar gathering pipes installed onto some roofs, I suppose it was to heat the water supply and that would be all but, once again, Mother Nature's heating comes-and-goes just like the wind; same deal for solar cells and light.

      No, the ideal would be energy generation 24/7/365, high or low, on land or on shipboard with merry-turning Bessler wheels installed.

      (Gimbally mounted B-W's - big thick rip-snorters - would be just the thing. Ocean going vessels have SO much available area within and theoretically, I suppose they also might act as stabilizers, doing double-duty?)

      ("Oh NO! James is turning into another K.B.! Heavens!)

      Oh well, didn't mean to steal your thunder.

      J.

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  28. This has been a fascinating series of comments and I have no wish to end it by posting a new blog, but I must because it is stretching to 122 comments so far and that is in danger of becoming too long!

    Please feel free to continue it on the new posting (when it eventually appears) if you wish.

    JC

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  29. I will summarize my "plan".

    About the "come on...give it away..the best for humanity etc" My personality is very much about being fair, equality, honesty and appreciate what I am given and use it wisely. Firstly I can say that I have given an offer to the people I think has helped me forward. An offer to be a part, for free. Those people know who they are. If they said "no thanks", Then I am "free", and don`t owe them anything anymore.

    For the general person/humanity: Let`s say that I have worked 20.000 hours to get where I am at the moment. My idea is that if other people (the world) give me those 20.000 hours back. Then I can show them what I found! I can then choose to invest them in the last part of the project. This means I could work on the replication part in a professional way. That would mean that I could corporate with someone with greater mechanical skills and equipment than me.

    So far I see an opportunity, if I convert those 20.000 hours to books, and those who want to have the wheel replicated and exposed, buy the book, the books can convert my hours to money, and I can use that money to work full time on the Bessler project and arrange a professional replication attempt.

    Example: The results of this professional replication could be published by private access to those who originally have bought the book/s

    If you think about this a little, you will see that this way may be the smartest way for me to fully contribute in the Bessler quest. I can do what I am good at, and other can do the same, contribute with what they are good at. Be it, driving a taxi and then buying and reading the book to reach the final goal: Goal: to have a prof. replication.

    If you have any other, better idea, just let me know.

    All the best O.R



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    1. 20,000 hours? Is that all? I've probably "invested" double that in my quest to solve the Bessler wheel mystery during the last half century. That's actually enough time to earn several PhD's! If I am chosen by destiny to rediscovery his secret, I will give it away. The pleasure of being "the" one to rediscover it after three centuries is more than enough compensation for me. Aside from some temporary excitement, I don't think much will come from the rediscovery in terms of generating profits. Maybe some Chinese company will make replicas of various sizes and market them worldwide. The "curiosities" might, however, come with a copy of my book explaining how the wheels work and how the discovery was made. At least that way I'll see a few happy dollars showing up in my quarterly royalty checks. Mainly, however, these toys will stimulate young minds to take an interest in the subject. If Bessler's research is to be carried on to anything better, then it is they who will do it.

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    2. K.B. if you have invested that much time over so long a period, it is not to be wondered at that your mind may have been effected, and not in any way good.

      This could explain much that otherwise is but mystery about you and some of your behavior. Sorry..

      Also, why to you so underestimate the ability of BW's to produce meaningful power output?

      Why?

      Is it the recent calculations done that show it being so low, as speculated?

      Such are not to be relied upon for reasons very good, I say.

      We should remember that Besslers models were demonstrators and not things built IN THE OPEN for actual hard use.

      Had they been, then many compromises that I am sure he had to see-to, in order to have all hidden away from prying eyes, would not have been necessary of doing.

      The Prime Mover will deliver, according to MY 'calculations,' 33% over unity, plus and second order effect losses.

      That's a mighty big chunk of serious gain for say 100lbs descending at their particular drop distances, eight times / rev.

      You are wrong on this one.

      Once again, I suggest that you have been at this endeavor for WAY, WAY too long, and that it now has eaten-away at your existence partially. (Well, surely this in terms of your Coin of Life.) Have you lost wives, lovers or whatever on account, possibly?

      If you have not accomplished success YET, after all the investment of that time wealth as you say you have, then you likely never will but, you might DIE is you stopped cold at this point, all things considered.

      Others here and over THERE too. If definitely IS a mad fanaticism that can death-grip one's life.
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      The fork needs sticking, before all go stark barking mad.

      James

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    3. James, one of the reasons I am not a believer in Bessler's wheels ever becoming a commercially successful source of energy stems from my knowledge of the location of the CoM of his largest wheels which where 12 feet in diameter. The CoM of those behemoths was only about 1/8th of an inch from the center of the axle! One would have to have a CoM with a mass of, literally, tons at that location to even produce a few hundred watts of power. I can not see anyway of changing this detail because it is an intrinsic part of the design and does not look alterable. I'm sure I might seem to be fanatical about this subject since I post on this blog regularly, but I have many interests besides Bessler's wheels. However, I am looking forward to finding "closure" to the subject with a rediscovery and book about it so that I can move onto other subjects that interest me. The coming week will be a critical one in the course of my Bessler research. I will know whether I've finally found "it" or if I've hit a final barrier beyond which I can not pass. I truly am at the very end of what I can do with the DT portrait clues. If one of these last five model wheels I'm testing is not it, then that could signal it's time for me retire and leave this subject to others. It's in the hands of God from here on in...

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    4. Thanks very much for your carefully considered summation of the issue, K.B.

      I suspect strongly that we'll find the actual interior matters of the Creature greatly differing, from how we view them presently. In fact it is of greatest utility to quash ALL considerations of imbalance as being source as well as for the creation of torque leading to rotatory displacement.

      From what I can tell from this distance, now that I am very nearly officially excommunicated from over there, at that other PM site and those people that operate it and the fiendish social tiering machinery (and all utterly useless to the purpose of any tangible advancement P-M wise, it being essentially a mutual admiration/hate society which they DO so-love) they are 'as cold as ice', and most deservedly-so excepting for five or six of them - the very few good guys.

      This whole long drawn-out saga will come to a satisfying (delightfully, actually) close soon but, perhaps not soon 'enough' for rather too many.

      Really, best of luck with your coming builds, K.B.

      (You deserve the Grand Award for persistence, and time served for the Cause.)

      James

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    5. Sorry to read that you've been "excommunicated" from "another free energy site". Perhaps you should try a "charm offensive" to re-ingraciate yourself there. Stroke a few egos, admit ignorance and ask others for help, express admiration for the opinions of those that like you the least. Keep your posts on the short side and a bit easier to understand. I've found that, in life, if people like a person, they are willing to forgive them of almost anything. If they don't like a person, they will blame them for almost everything. I once knew a man, decades older than me, who was a senior vice president in a fortune 100 company. He confided in me that he was an 8th grade dropout who had to self educate himself as much as possible. I expressed astonishment that he could have risen from a lowly entry level job to such a lofty position and asked him what the secret was. He said that he, too, had wondered about that and concluded it was because he made an effort not to say anything bad about anybody either to their face or behind their back. He also had a good sense of humor and was always willing to help out when asked. As a result, whenever a better position became available in the company, he inevitably got selected for it. He also said that he thought the bosses who selected him were using his promotion as a way to expressing annoyance for their subordinates who they did not like either because of their personalities or work performance. Eventually, my friend, the 8th grade dropout, became the boss of several PhD's! He retired to a very comfortable retirement after a long career with the company.

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    6. K.B., thanks very much for the good advice, but I must clarify some within a few areas of misconstrance as did creep-in.

      Actually, I wrote that I was "nearly" so, with regard to any excommunication, official or not really.

      The sad truth is that I am there still, hanging-on by a single Greenie thread.

      The Great Poo-Ba's among various of the too-proud Fourites and Fivers there, marshaled (likely by concertation's means) their punitive powers, and pushed me down to that level.

      (A truly Grand One just so elevated and most beloved among them and I got into a nasty to post fight FINALLY, and things ramped-up to 'nice and ugly' level.

      You see, he birdshot me and I gave the island chap the full load of buckshot right into his (. . . ).

      No doubt shocked at having been addressed on so crude and direct a manor, he has now disappeared, having retreated I believe, into some one of the various 'ew-ew-ew' (here this sounding very English and elevated) "Private" forums. Maybe with some luck as pulled by the majority, there he will stay.

      All this I invited to become-so actually, so as to act as a mechanism of utility for the separating-out of the few found grains of wheat, from all the worthless chaff.

      Now, I know to a nearly needle point of certitude which is which.

      I have solid reasons for having done this; only one level down more-to-go, then perfection itself will be attained: "No Reputation." Then the Hammer.

      I understand the formula you suggested that I might follow, this in order to re-establish myself as esquire once again to Their High Selves.

      Well, we don't "do" nobility here in the U.S. but, they have managed to create such a like little setup by canny usage of a very decrepit system of so-called "ratings" by the "community".

      In it, red and green buttons are used as weapons and carrots, so as to keep the ones unwashed and undesired of incorrect opinion and defective "demeanor" away from their constantly air-poised, sniffing noses. (It is all SO sick.)

      I loath and detest ANY and ALL having to do with anything whatsoever sporting the "commune," and it's many nasty and ultimately destructive variations, the worst being Communism itself. Such stinking things hide variously in many dark places and hearts, desiring and succeeding at appearing as otherwise.

      K.B. with all due respect and thanks aplenty for it, I already tried that as you kindly proffered.

      As reward for my singular "style" of expression and writing, to say nothing of the subjects I chose to focus upon, I was deemed (as I suppose it to have been) a misfit or, some such like-thing.

      Well, if so actually as I suspect, they were correct.

      I will never be like them nor of them, a desired and necessary state, as I now know and why, and what for.

      Ingratiating and auto-humiliating is for others, NOT THIS ONE. Their little puppy esquire I am not interested in being any longer.

      to be continued . . .

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    7. continuing . . .

      (Although . . . I must say that, if The Queen, for some very strange reason, were to make petit moi one of such, I would gladly accept it from HER, just not from them, my fellow republican commoners.)

      My guess is that your acquaintance, if he had been a meat eater instead of a nice and kind pleaser, he might have ended up as board chairman and/or president. (Although exec. VP is not exactly chopped liver.)

      I have known a few of these others as you knew your friend.

      Believe me they DO "eat meat" and must in order to survive and RULE within corporatocracy.

      The supplicating, slithering underling class all jockeying and back-stabbing one another for promotion, was one sorry sight to see, and I saw plenty of it from the sidelines as their non business associated friend.

      Your friend was lucky, and as I suppose, of a rather earlier era?

      Corporations are notorious for - as with a dollar bill (or pound note) 0 not kissing back when kissed for not matter how long. The field is littered with the bodies of oh-so-loyal corporate servants now inhabiting early graves.

      I am not interested, not even in the form they play that over at 'that other site of PM,' or whatever one might care to style it.

      This line or yours really stuck-out for me: " I've found that, in life, if people like a person, they are willing to forgive them of almost anything."

      I believe this, the belief having come of experience.

      The problem is in uniformly accepting it as so if found with the nuts that love to skewer and bully for the sheer sport of it. (Two of them are sadists, no doubt, but both I identified as have an unmistakable masochistic steak. THAT I intend to someday accommodate.)

      The B.W.F. has installed there a few very prominent examples of these which the majority simply refuse to shuck-off.

      Why this? Timidity, jockeying for more Greenies; you name it - the source of the old social sickness really is the same: "need" as misconstrued.

      Well, I should bring this little terminating rant to a fitting close. (I think J.C. may be having fits of his own, because this page has turned into "The Thread That Would Not DIE!", brought to you in glorious Black & White! :-)

      James

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    9. Sounds like you got yourself embroiled in a rather unpleasant kerfuffle at "another free energy site", James. I personally pay zero attention to various types of rating systems used on different forums. They usually have little to do with the subject at hand and are meant to, as you say, punish members whose behavior seems to fall below a certain "standard" while rewarding those whose behavior seems to rise above that standard. Unfortunately, there are situations in which such a system can be unfairly manipulated as when a cabal forms in an effort to "stick it" to some member. So, my advice would be to lay low for a while and then try returning when everybody's unfavorable attention is focused on someone else. So far, you seem to be fitting in well here, so maybe this is the place where you are meant to be.

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  30. Anonymous, please get my name right, it's Trevor Dauncey, and you're right I am going for big oil, but it's looking for a needle in a haystack.If you don't get the engineering just right, you could miss it!

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  31. I like your arguments for the potential of gravity machines as in http://www.free-energy.co.uk/html/body_gravitywheels_work_.html - However, I'm amased how inventors have kept missing the essential for such a machine. I'm in the slow process of making a proof of concept model and might be willing to shear it with you, John, as I think you deserve it. - Should you be interested you first have to email me at : hh59@simnet.is and if things look convincing that it's you writing then a Skype contact would have to follow.

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