The Truth Behind the Legend of Bessler’s Wheel and the Orffyrean Code
On 6th June, 1712, in Germany, Johann Bessler (also known by his pseudonym, Orffyreus) announced that after many years of failure, he had succeeded in designing and building a perpetual motion machine. For more than fourteen years he exhibited his machine and allowed people to thoroughly examine it. Following advice from the famous scientist, Gottfried Leibniz, he devised a number of demonstrations and tests designed to prove the validity of his machine without giving away the secret of its design.
Karl the Landgrave of Hesse permitted Bessler to live, work and exhibit his machine at the prince's castle of Weissenstein. Karl was a man of unimpeachable reputation and he insisted on being allowed to verify the inventor's claims before he allowed Bessler to take up residence This the inventor reluctantly agreed to and once he had examined the machine to his own satisfaction Karl authorised the publication of his approval of the machine. For several years Bessler was visited by numerous people of varying status, scientists, ministers and royalty as well as hundreds of local inhabitants. Several official examinations were carried out and each time the examiners concluded that the inventor's claims were genuine.
Over the years Karl’s health began to deteriorate and his sons decided that it was time for the inventor to leave the castle and he was given five years salary and accommodation in the nearby town of Karlshaven. Despite the strong circumstantial evidence that his machine was genuine, Bessler failed to secure a sale and after more than thirty years he died in poverty. His death came after he fell from a windmill he had been commissioned to build. The windmill was an interesting design using a vertical axle which allowed it to benefit from winds from any directions.
He had asked for a huge sum of money for the secret of his perpetual motion machine, £20,000 which was an amount only affordable by kings and princes, and it’s no coincidence that this sum matched that being offered by the British Government as a reward for the invention of a way to establish a ships longitudinal position at sea. Bessler clearly believed his invention was equal in value. Many people were interested in Bessler’s wheel, but none were prepared to agree to the terms of the deal. Bessler required that he be given the money and the buyer take the machine without viewing the internal workings. Those who sought to purchase the wheel, for that was the form the machine took, insisted that they see the secret mechanism before they parted with the money. Bessler feared that once the design was known the buyers could simply walk away knowing how to build his machine and he would get nothing for his trouble. He said that a bag of money should be put on the table and the buyer could take the wheel there and then. He swore that if he was found cheating he should be beheaded, a not unlikely result if he was found to be a fraud and deceiving his ruler.
I became curious about the legend of Bessler’s Wheel, while still in my teens, and have spent most of my life researching the life of Johann Bessler (I’m now 74). I obtained copies of all his books and had them translated into English and self-published them, in the hope that either myself or someone else might solve the secret and present it to the world in this time of pollution, global warming and increasingly limited energy resources.
This problem of acceptance by his potential buyers was anticipated by Bessler and he took extraordinary measures to ensure that his secret was safe, but he encoded all the information needed to reconstruct the machine in a small number of books that he published. He implied that he was prepared to die without selling the secret and that he believed that post humus acknowledgement was preferable to being robbed of his secret while he yet lived.
It has recently become clear that Bessler had a huge knowledge of the history of codes and adopted several completely different ones to disguise information within his publications. I have made considerable advances in deciphering his codes and I am cautiously optimistic that I have the complete design.
Johann Bessler published three books, and digital copies of these with English translations may be obtained from the links to the right of this blog. In addition there is a copy of his unpublished document containing some 141 drawings, his account of the search for perpetual motion - and my own account of Bessler’s life is also available from the links. It is called "Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?"
It has recently become clear that Bessler had a huge knowledge of the history of codes and adopted several completely different ones to disguise information within his publications. I have made considerable advances in deciphering his codes and I am cautiously optimistic that I have the complete design.
Johann Bessler published three books, and digital copies of these with English translations may be obtained from the links to the right of this blog. In addition there is a copy of his unpublished document containing some 141 drawings, his account of the search for perpetual motion - and my own account of Bessler’s life is also available from the links. It is called "Perpetual Motion; An Ancient Mystery Solved?"
Bessler's three published books are entitled "Grundlicher Bericht", "Apologia Poetica" and "Das Triumphirende...". I have called Bessler's collection of 141 drawings his Maschinen Tractate, but it was originally found in the form of a number of loosely collected drawings of perpetual motion designs. Many of these have handwritten notes attached and I have published the best English translation of them that I was able to get. Bessler never published these drawings but clearly intended to do so at some
I and thousands of others around the world believe that Johann Bessler’s claim to have designed and built a perpetual motion machine, or a continuously rotating device enabled purely by gravity, was genuine. The circumstantial evidence is compelling. This device if reconstructed now, could potentially provide cheap clean electricity, and by reducing the need for fossil fuels, provide a huge step forward in reducing carbon emissions in a very short time.
For some ideas about Bessler’s code why not visit my web sites at
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"He said that a bag of money should be put on the table and the buyer could take the wheel there and then."
ReplyDeleteThe Reichstaler or "thaler" Bessler referred to was used from 1566 to 1750 and was a silver coin weighing 400.99 grains or 25.984 grams or 0.91655 ounces. That means that 100,000 of them would have weighed 91,655 ounces or 5728.4 pounds or 2.8642 US tons!
I think that the buyer of one of Bessler's wheels would have had to have had a very large bag to hold the coins for his purchase and Bessler would have had to have supplied him with a very strong table.
Bessler was speaking metaphorically, but you raise a fair point. Harrison faced the same problem with his £20,000. I believe he received his over time. I’m sure Bessler would not have accepted anything less than full payment but payments held in escrow we’re fairly routinely used.
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DeleteFurther to your point, escrow had been used mainly for transfer of land, but the building of great houses such as Blenheim Palace near Oxford cost £25,000 at the time, which was completed in that same era but of course in today’s money valued at £180 million cost! but a house in London recently sold for £200 million. Payments of large amounts were managed when required.
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In the German states in the early 18th century every major city and ruler was minting their own silver "thaler" coins and their weights varied all over the place but were close to about 1 ounce. It was considered a high value coin intended for use in transactions with high prices.
DeleteHere's one that Bessler would certainly have been happy to accept in payment for his wheel if he could have gotten 100,000 of them. It was minted in the town of Swarzenberg in Saxony in 1696 and contains 28.82 grams of silver. You can still obtain rare coins like this today, but they cost hundreds of US dollars at coin auctions with the price determined mostly by their condition. This one is in excellent condition.
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The quality of the coins seems excellent. I often wonder how things would have turned out for Bessler if he had sold his machine. We often speculate on the result for technology if he had sold his wheel, but not so much for the man himself.
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John, I think that photo shows the front and back of the same coin. If the thickness of each coin was 3/16 inch and one could stack 100,000 of them on top of each other then the top of the stack would be 18,750 inches above the ground which is 1562.5 feet above the ground. That's actually much taller than Paris' Eiffel Tower that measures 1,063 feet from the ground to the tip of its antenna and even taller than New York City's Empire State Building which is 1,454 feet from the ground up to the tip of its antenna! One BIG stack of silver coins! No wonder he had trouble finding buyers. If one tried to stack the coins in that way, the ones on the bottom would be crushed by the 2.8642 US tons of silver pressing down on them.
DeleteI agree Bessler was speaking metaphorically. He would have known how much 100,000 thalers would have weighed and how they could not be placed on any regular table.
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Wow! I had no idea. Silver would be in troy oz., which would make it even more weight. More like 3.5 tons!! All I have to say is; the guy had brass balls--------------- Sam Peppiatt
DeleteIn 1717 an ounce of gold was worth about 15.5 times as much as an ounce of silver. If Bessler was willing to take gold coins for his invention, then he would only have needed 0.18479 US tons or 369.57 pounds of gold to equal the value of 100,000 silver thalers mentioned by anon 5:41 above. A strong table top could hold that amount of gold and it could have been hauled around in six sacks by some strong servants. But he'd have to make sure none of those servants had sticky fingers. Bessler probably would have done the hauling himself!
DeleteHenry L I think your assumption that the Thaler was nearly quarter inch thick is wrong, more like tenth of an inch, but it would still make a high pile of coins.
DeleteKarl also had gold ducats which were obviously worth much more than than silver thalers, and would need much smaller bags to carry away.
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As with the weights of the coins, their thicknesses probably varied a lot depending on who minted a coin and how deep the images on both of its sides were pressed into a silver or gold blank at a mint. People using them were mainly concerned about accurate weights for their precious metal content. Old badly worn coins whose weights could no longer be trusted were probably constantly being melted down to make jewelry and new coins.
Delete"We often speculate on the result for technology if he had sold his wheel, but not so much for the man himself."
ReplyDeleteSelling his invention was only a part of his big plan for humanity. He would have taken his huge payment for it and then went off to start his "Fortress of Wisdom" which was to be a school to teach the various crafts he had learned during his life to its students while instilling in them what he considered correct religious beliefs and values. He was also obsessed with starting an "Orffyrean Church" that he hoped the whole world would eventually join. Maybe he hoped that the students at his school would serve as the apostles for his new religion and help spread it throughout the world. I think his intention was to eliminate the strife and wars that were largely a consequence of everyone on Earth practicing different faiths by having them practice only one faith...HIS! If he could have pulled that off, then he might have become more famous than Jesus himself!
Maybe so, maybe no-------what if scientist had given full support to the wheel; instead of condemning it-------------------Sam Peppiatt
ReplyDeleteBessler should have taken Leibniz with him to London to meet with Newton and had the two formally end their stupid dispute over who invented the calculus (they actually both did). With that out of the way he would then have revealed the secret of the wheel to both of them. They would have announced to the world that it was genuine. Everyone would then be permitted to build a wheel, but, once finished and running, they would be requested to pay a small fee to Bessler every year in appreciation of him having provided them with the details of the wheel. Most probably would have done that out of gratitude and social obligation and over the rest of his life Bessler could have taken in millions of thalers. With that money he might even have been able to successfully start his new religion. He could claim that the design for the wheel was given to him by God himself and was a sign to humanity from God to follow Bessler's new religion. Don't laugh because that's exactly how the major prophets of all religions get started. They demonstrate things or it is claimed that they demonstrated things that seemed impossible to do or know unless one or more gods was backing them up. So Bessler did not raise the dead or walk on water. So what? He built a wheel that could run forever and was an obvious symbol of the eternal nature of God! Maybe people would have started believing that Bessler's new religion was actually some version of the Second Coming that Jesus prophesied about to his apostles? It could have spread like wild fire around the world. That new religion never happened though because Bessler became a victim of typical short term capitalist thinking which means making as much money as possible in the shortest time possible. Smart businessmen learn that long term planning can often be far more important and profitable.
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He couldn't have done much worse----------------Sam
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DeleteIn AP Bessler wrote:
Delete"Yes, just this very wonder device, which no one has ever succeeded in finding despite the passage of many thousands of years, Orffyreus has, with God's help, discovered it. The thing which Wagner and the whole world call the true Perpetuum Mobile, and which he says, no one can produce, and it must remain a hidden mystery, that is my work, and no one else's."
Certainly sounds like he claimed to have invented it...with God's help, of course. Notice he says that he "discovered" it and not just "rediscovered" it from some prior source.
RAF John, Do you expect five power pulses per wheel cycle with your build? Is a large moment of inertia essential for resetting the mechanisms?
ReplyDeleteI’m writing an account of the difficulties I am currently experiencing in building my wheel, for my next blog RAF, but to answer your question, no there shouldn’t be any pulses, but only time will tell. No..
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@RAF Pulse type wheels are no good. If you stop it between pulses it wont self start again. Its got to be always out of balance for steady torque so it can self start from any position.
Delete@JC Instead of hit and run building attempts in your little shop maybe its time you move on up to using sims? You got a bunch of clues for B.'s wheels? Thats great. Make them into a sim wheel and see if it runs. If not make changes as needed. Then if you get a runner you can roll up your sleeves and finally build it in the shop and be confident it will probably work or be real close to working. Here's what B. said about the part time wheel tinkering types on page 299 of your AP book
"But, to get back to your questions, I'll try to be more specific. It is undeniably true that at times there have been clever people, with special talents, who have sought the Mobile. But, for the most part, they have been people in positions, professions or offices of various kinds; and people for whom such duties are a constant preoccupation have little time left over for leisure. Even if they did have the odd hour to spare, it wouldn't be enough for Mobile research. Indeed, before such a person could get far with his calculations, build some models, and even do scant justice to a single facet of the problem, very many years would have passed. Things would then get to the stage where there'd be some doubts followed by destruction! Probably there'd even come the dreaded statement that "No one on this earth will ever find the secret of the Mobile!" "
Sims let you crunch weeks of work in the shop down into hours at a keyboard and can speed you to your success if you are meant to find it. Get that wm2d because its very easy to learn to use. Almost as easy as the ms paint for making nice drawings. Give it a try you wont regret it.
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DeleteDon't expect John to make any changes. He's stuck in the rut of his current inefficient approach and is probably comfortable enough in it to never get out of it. He'll stay in it until he finally gives up or drops dead. Most other old timer pm wheel builders today are also in the same rut and convinced it can only lead them to eventual success if they just stick with it long enough even though that approach achieved nothing for the thousands and thousands of others who were forced to use it since Bessler's days and before sim programs were developed. Yet the hands on approach can work and did for Bessler. But maybe it only worked for him because of incredible luck he had that was like playing ten rounds of golf and hitting a hole in one on each one of them. Are there any golfers here that actually think they could be that lucky? Yet they are convinced they will have the same kind of luck needed to find Bessler's wheel design or another one that works as well or better.
I’ve had this conversation several times, but in short, I’m too old to learn how to make sims and I’m not convinced of their benefit other than testing a completed design. I have always found hands-on builds lead to new ideas not obvious from watching sims.
DeleteI was helped by a respected member of BW forum who built some sims for me but although they didn’t work, I did study them and then returned to my physical build. I prefer it, sorry to go against your opinion.
JC
Hopefully John's got a lot of years left to go before he's finally too old to even do hands on builds or keep this blog running. It's amazing though how those years seem to flash by faster and faster as we age.
DeleteYes I hope to continue to be able build for many years, although I hope even more that I finish my current wheel and it works!
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For me; it's a lot easier to figure out Bessler's wheel than try to do a simulation on a computer. Sam Peppiatt
DeleteIf you can do simulations, you have every reason to feel superior; to insult belittle and ridicule those who can't. Sam Peppiatt
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DeleteIf you and others tried WM2D for a few hours you would all probably take to it like a duck takes to water. Its very intuitive and much like using MS Paint to make drawings. The big difference is that when you are done with your drawing, which will be some mech you think could be Bessler's or some other gadget and you hit the RUN button you will see your drawing come to life as you watch its various parts move around and contact each other. Is it 100% guaranteed that what you see is exactly what will happen if you build it? No. There might only be a 95% chance of that happening. That's why sims, although they can be very convincing, must be finally proven valid with a physical build that is an accurate build because a lot of mechs guys build are so poorly made that they cant prove or disprove anything! A sim is only a tool, but a very powerful one to help a wheel builder on his way to success. If Bessler had WM2D available to him at the beginning of the 18th century then he probably would have had a working wheel in less than a year instead of needing a decade! He would have saved a lot of thalers for parts and used them for food, spent more time with his family and kids, and avoided a LOT of mental and physical stress he did not need. He might also have been willing to sell his invention for a lot less than 100,000 thalers and instead of playing guessing games today we'd all be using his invention and benefiting from it. There's no need to fear sim software. It's just another high tech convenience like your laptop, tablet, smart phone, HD tv, etc. Not using it is like insisting on eating your food raw because you think you are "too old" to learn how to use fire to cook!
I don’t worry if people belittle me for not being able to sim, I knew nothing about computers back in 1985 when I bought my Amstrad PC. I taught myself to write my book on one, then I taught myself how to design and write a website when the internet became available. I taught myself to self publish before all the print on demand services were even imagined. I taught myself how to make my books available through the internet. Etc etc. But I’m unwilling and unable to sit down and learn about simulations when I don’t even see the need for them.
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The companies that design and build machines apparently see a need for them because more and more of the manufactured items we buy and use from automobiles, buildings, and ships to jet planes and spacecraft have parts in them that were first designed using sim programs and ones a lot more expensive and complicated than wm2d. Most of the movies and tv commercials we watch contain CGI special effects that are actually sim objects and people inserted into them to make them look more realistic or attention getting. Our weather forecasts are all based on complex sims and give accurate predictions up to a week in advance. Nowadays using sims for a Bessler wheel design should be considered to be as natural as using a saw, drill, or screwdriver. I think they will be considered indispensable by future generations of Bessler wheel chasers.
DeleteI think you missed my point. My experience in designing and building various mechanisms results in insights which I believe would be missed with a sim. That is my belief and my experience.
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You might be right John and being able to feel the real 3d parts with your hands as you build could be more helpful to you than a sim model on a flat 2d laptop screen. Feeling the mechs in a sim is something that cannot be done easily yet with the lower cost sim software. I dont think those pushing sims on you mean to belittle you. I think they want to see you have success and are giving you advice which they feel could help you. They really have good intentions. You might find this short video interesting
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You are a smart guy John Collins--------------but I'm not; so it does bother me; it bothers me a lot. Sure; if you knew what you were doing, a sim would be a big help. With Bessler's wheel it's unknown. So, the giant problem with a sim, is, it can't do the thinking for you. You are still stuck with your own brain to figure it out. Yes, he missed my point too. I can't do a sim. Which, apparently, is beyond his comprehension. Sam Peppiatt
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DeleteHave you ever actually tried to "do a sim"? Have you ever tried wm2d in particular? In life most quit before they even start anything new automatically assuming they can never have any success and satisfaction with it which is exactly what most of the B. wheel skeptics did years ago. If B. had that attitude 300 years ago we wouldnt be talking about his successful inventions now! We need to have his "can do" attitude instead of the "I cant" attitude of the skeptics. There is much power with positive thinking despite what the B. wheel skeptics say. They are really mostly just pitiful quitter types.
What can I say----------------I stand corrected!! Sam
DeleteI think Anon 16:42 hits the nail on its head when he calls the Bessler wheel skeptics pitiful quitter types. I think many of them are past pm seekers who failed to get a working wheel going after a few sloppy attempts and are now angry with themselves, Bessler, the whole subject, and any one else who dares try to get some working results and so prove they were just pitiful quitters. They say misery loves company and so they want to turn as many positive minded pm seekers into skeptics as they can so they can prove to the world they are right and their quitting was really the smart thing to do. You have to tune out their noise and keep you eyes on the prize. Imitate Bessler not the skeptic losers out there. If you need to sim then sim. If you need to build then build. If you need to do both then do both. But do something! Procrastination and excuse making is guaranteed to only lead to NO results!
DeleteYou’ve got that right anon 18.20. I have looked into doing sims myself, but I did not enjoy the experience, probably because I was impatient. I’m sure if there was some nearby who could help me test my design with a sim, I would be delighted. But I’m so close to finishing my build that it doesn't seem worth it. But I certainly considered both sims and builds.
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DeleteJohn, you need to overcome all of your mental blocks and hurry to contact Stephen G. so he can finally lead you to those three locations where Bessler and the Holy Ghost hid the solution to his wheels. The longer you wait, John, the more the risk someone else will find those three locations ahead of you!
DeleteI’m not aware I have any mental blocks and as for contacting Stephen G, why? I’m not convinced that he has the solution, otherwise he would have made a working model, sold it, given it away or just published details showing how to build it.
DeleteI have already understood Bessler’s clues and your three locations are actually six and I have read them studied them and I’m building from their instructions. BTW I have not seen any sign of the Holy Ghost with or without a smiley face. Perhaps I can’t see it because I don’t believe in it.
The thing I don’t understand is what SG gets out of dropping supposed hints and clues which appear to be meaningless unless he gives more information.
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JC wrote: "The thing I don’t understand is what SG gets out of dropping supposed hints and clues which appear to be meaningless unless he gives more information."
DeleteSG's gratification comes from playing the "I've got the secret because I'm smarter than all of you, but if you all beg me enough then I might help you a little" game. Others have played the same stupid game on other sites and in the few cases where they actually revealed what they thought they knew, it turned out to be a load of delusional nonsense. After that embarrassing exposure they promptly disappear, but may reappear later with another fake username to play the game again. It will be the same with SG and he knows that which is why he can never risk revealing anything here. He'll keep sporadically dropping vague hints about Bessler learning how to make a pm wheel from ancient sources, ringing bells, pulling curtains, climbing ladders, and various clues in Bessler's drawings about which everyone, except he of course, is completely unaware. He does that to see if he can get anyone excited enough to beg him for more information which, if they do, gives him the ego thrill he needs to have. Then he'll go silent until the next blog and repeat his little game again. Most likely he's a past Bessler wheel chaser who failed to get anything running and has given up on that permanently. He may actually be delusional enough to think he's somehow helping other wheel chasers here with his hints. But, he's really only an irrelevant distraction here. He also seems to like to invite off blog contact with people here. If that ever did take place, however, they would only get the same runaround that they see here. As someone else said, it's best to just ignore him. Focus on comments that actually provide some real information of value.
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ReplyDeleteSorry to step in...but just thought that I should say something...
ReplyDeleteLeg pulling does no good to anybody...
It is not necessary that the one who drops hints, now and then, is not actually aware of the real secret...
Infact, every hint coming from any quarter needs to be honored...be it vague, for that matter...
On the contrary, we should realize our own failure in solving the puzzle...so far...
I would also like to make it clear that trying through SIM, isn't the right approach... as far as Bessler wheel is concerned...
It actually takes hell a lot of mental work to know the secret...
It is just that we have not realized the real design so far as stated by Karl...
Our current idea of the wheel design is hopelessly wrong...and,in my view, Trevor is somewhat close to it than anyone here...
And, one thing is that you can't expect the actual knower to spill more beans as it would jeopardize his efforts...
A hint here and there is more than anything...
Because, the internal design too simple...
I mean ridiculously simple...
Trevor almost revealed it twice... I was worried someone would grab it fast...it is that simple... That is why Bessler was damn worried...
So, we should be grateful for getting hints...
I agree that compared to Trevor, SG is quite off the mark...
I seem to know where Trevor is possibly stuck...I could make this out from his own narration...that one pound is able to raise four pounds...
Frankly speaking, it is much faster and more efficient than that...
The internal movement is such that you can't really make out which weight is contributing more at any given moment.... Trevor seems to have not worked out this aspect...
Pls note it is just a matter of proper designing of one lever-weight system... the rest is just duplication...
We just have to think of how to design the lever first and interface the same with the rightly designed weight... The rest is just the tricks to watch...in a circus arena...as rightly put by Trevor...and, Bessler too...
Ken is miserably on the wrong track, too...
Sorry, no offense intended...
There is no point in going on building and rebuilding without an iota of knowing the truth... This could go on and on as is evident...
Bessler wheel internal design is too simple but not fully understood by anyone...
Trevor is closer than anyone else...he has just made a critical error...
SG is not on the right track...
And so is Ken...
We need to be grateful to all the hints coming...
Focussing on lever-weight interfaced design is the need of the hour...
Didn't Bessler speak of acrobat and some form of boxing ???
It was bound to happen! Now another SG clone has arrived who claims to really know how Bessler's wheels worked and why everyone else is wrong. As SG takes a break for a while, SK will now take his place and dangle vague clues and hints before us in an effort to get us excited enough to beg him for more information about the "ridiculously simple" secret of Bessler's wheels. Don't bother because he actually knows nothing about how Bessler's wheels really worked and is only here for the same reason SG comes. To get a cheap ego trip at everyone else's expense! Ignore him!
DeleteEgo trip...yes, you're right, Ken...I agree and humbly accept your point...
ReplyDeleteThank God... Atleast you've got this one thing quite right...
But your Bessler Wheel design published by you is just terribly wrong friend... It leads us nowhere... Instead, it is taking us towards wrong direction...
You know one thing my friend?... It takes a lot of confidence, Truth and sincerity to give hints and clues... Leave alone the ego part...
300 years have gone... What is wrong if someone takes a little ego trip as long it comes with valuable hints?...
Infact, I didn't want to butt in this way in the first place...you raked up the issue of people coming and later disappearing...
It is one thing to author a book and quite another to reveal the real Bessler wheel design...
You have come out with a ridiculous design... You keep forgetting what Karl stated... It is extremely simple though hard to picturize...
My dear Ken, it didn't come that easy to me, either... I almost went mad due to intense mental work which took years...
Now, I am 62... Do you think I am just another naughty guy to mislead everyone here at this age...???
Don't you know Bessler too indulged in ego trips by pouring rich words...???
Do you also feel that Bessler needs to be condemned for it in the same way you treat me...???
One can only boldly come out with such hints and clues if he really possesess something...
Do you think everyone here believes you???
Don't mind Ken, but sometimes I feel you are some kind of maniac... Or a weird parasite?
I Know why you are acting this way... Mainly two reasons... Either you want to extract more info or you fear for loss of your credibility...
Bessler wheel mystery solving is not simply anybodys cup of tea... It is not that easy... You have got to seek the truth with an open heart and full of sincerity...
If you are unable to understand a character like me, then how do you solve such a thing as BW???
Good God! This mystery brings out the worst in people. Put up or shut up! Why can't people who THINK they have solved the Bessler mystery swallow their pride and put up their design for critique? Because the fear of having their dreams dashed and being ordinary is greater than actually finding out whether they had a workable idea. Classic delusional narcissistic paranoid personalities!
ReplyDeleteSK seems to think that comment above is from Ken B. But, I don't think Ken B. would waste five seconds commenting about anything SG or SK had to say here. SK wrote "I almost went mad due to intense mental work which took years". Maybe he should have removed the word "almost" from that?!
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ReplyDeleteSome how you have to build it and try it! It simply can't be figure it out by natural smartness-----------------FWEIW
That's why the sims won't work. Sam Peppiatt
After you start to use sims you will be shocked at how all of the mechs you thought had to work dont and you then realize you cant trust your instinct or imagination when it comes to finding pm mechs. Its a very humbling experience. Sims can lie at times but not nearly as much as our self deceiving minds do. Im a beliver in simming then building. But simming first will keep you from wasting time running down dead ends which is where most of our bright ideas will take us.
DeleteSam...I don't know how to convince you but if you ever visit India pls try to meet me... I can make things clear...
ReplyDeleteHere, Ken spoils all the show... He has become a super troll...and, no one is able to handle him... He is the biggest hurdle...he is very erratic...
Just concentrate on what Karl stated... It is very simple... It is just that no one has thought of it before...
You might also observe how Bessler behaved and safeguarded the secret... If one glance can give away the secret then it has got to be awefully simple... isn't it?
Sam... Just tell me can a SIM tell us how a lever and weight is to be shaped...
Because, in BW design, it is the shape of things that matters the most...
If you can understand this simple point you won't ever talk of using a SIM... never...
One more thing I want you to understand and that is when you see the actual secret design you will know that it can never fail to rotate even before the build...
If you try to practically build without first conceiving the idea in mind then there is no end... I can guarantee another 300 years...
For what ever the reason, I can't seam to get my point across. and, I'm probably wrong any way. I started working on the possibility of perpetual motion in April of 1962, which is about 58 years. I sill haven't found a way to do it, and maybe I never will. So I reckon you guys are right. However, I think it's very unfair to say that I'm a quitter; as was pointed out by one of you anonymous's, who ever you are. Sam Peppiatt
ReplyDeleteI agree Sam, neither of us are quitters, we just don’t trust Sims. My next blog will show why a sim would be difficult to use........unless you had do a lot of hands on building.
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Suresh Kumar wrote "when you see the actual secret design you will know that it can never fail to rotate even before the build." I get that same feeling when watching the Ken Behrendt youtube wheel video! He has either got it or very close to it, imo. Best of luck to him with it.
Delete@ Sam There's no shame in quitting after 58 years of trying. The real quitters out there quit before they even start or less than a month after starting because they did not get the instant success they were sure they had to get because they think they are smarter than everyone else. Sometimes we are not quitting but taking a vacation for a while to clear the brain of all the wheels we filled it with that didnt work in the past and cant work no matter how much we tweek them. Once your brain is cleared out you can start fresh again and try something you didnt think of in the past. Sometimes we get addicted to certain approaches like they are a drug and get stuck and stupid with them. A short vacation can help us get unstuck. But if your vacation lasts longer than a year your really retired even if you dont know it yet.
Go ahead; add insult to injury---------------not anonymous.
DeleteSam... first of all we have got to start by understanding the Force of gravity... it's nature... How it attracts and acts on falling bodies...we have to be as natural as Sir Isac Newton...and when this is understood well we can then proceed further...
ReplyDeleteIf you start from the scratch the journey will be smooth...our wrongly preconceived ideas are the Main block...
Your idea of first build and see is actually not the right approach...
Why should we build at all...why not carry out intensive thought experiment...
It is a pity that after having spent 58 years you are still not sure...and that is because you are not moving on the right track...
Sam...my advice is first learn what and whom to believe...I think you are sometimes very unpredictive...you lose interest soon... You dismiss certain things without getting at the bottom of it...
If you really want to create Bessler wheel why don't you come and join me...I assure you success and we can share the fruit... I am also old and lonely and lazy too...
You are also reaching your life's end...
I am willing to work with you...You will be amazed at what I am going to reveal to you without making any fuss...
First my friend learn whom to trust and whom not to...
Think about it and let me know...
With all due respect Suresh, you have a very patronising style, treating people as if they are clueless and without the kind of common sense and general knowledge I know my readers share. You should respect people who have spent many years chasing this elusive secret and accept that your way is not necessarily their’s. You appear to give the impression that you know the secret of Bessler’s wheel, if you believe that then what are you waiting for? Publish it.
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Suresh, Right, there is a lot of truth to what you say. I could do better.
DeleteAnd, as John Collins has suggested; please enlighten us!! Sam
Lol! Sam, don't hold your breath while waiting for SK to "enlighten us". He's really no different than that other time waster SG and is able to type out hundreds of words without saying anything relevant about Bessler's wheels. They are not here to contribute to the blog's topic but just to tell everyone that they are smarter than them and way ahead of them because they have already solved Bessler's wheels. When it comes time to prove it, though, they quickly make excuses or just disappear. Makes you wonder how many other blogs they visit daily using different fake usernames to keep playing their same little ego tripping games on them.
DeleteSam...I am, atleast, grateful to you for acknowledging my opinion... You will definitely not be disappointed from my side, and that is my promise...
ReplyDeleteI am not very pleased by the other reactions... though...
Even if I make an attempt to enlighten, the reaction from others won't be any better...
Trevor tried to do it and he was immediately downplayed...
Don't you see all this, dear...
Do you still think the time and conditions are right here???... For the great revelation...
What happened to Bessler finally?
And, christ?
I am happy that you sometimes believe me but, at the same time, I am not so pleased when you fail to see the point in others reaction to my advice for you...
I really will enlighten you dear the day you really realize whom really to trust here...
At the moment, you are no different from gravitea...
Suresh, It's a harsh business. In a way they are right-------------------Sam
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