This task we have each set ourselves, to discover the secret of Johann Bessler’s wheel, absorbs many of our waking moments, involves us, divides us, challenges us and yet we love it, are obsessed by it and cannot resist the draw of being the one who finally succeeds in unravelling the tangled web of clues, codes, hints and numerous drawings all designed to fixate our minds on the final answer.
This, I know, applies to me and many others and yet this whole dense perplexity drives us forwards in spite of the scientific orthodoxy that what we seek to achieve is impossible according to the laws of science.
The reason we continue to research and develop ideas in our unending pursuit of the truth about Bessler’s wheel is because, despite the wall of scepticism that greets our every suggestion, we firmly believe that there is the strongest documentary evidence that Bessler’s so-called Perpetual Motion machine actually existed, was thoroughly examined and tested over many years, by hundreds of people, most of whom were highly sceptical about the inventor’s claims. Not a single person found evidence of fraud.
Not only that, but Bessler himself gained mostly notoriety and yet despite being hounded throughout his life, never gave up on his firm stance that he had only told the truth that his wheel was genuine. His pain and anguish caused by his detractors can be easily detected throughout his self-published books. His constant refrain is that he is attacked for his determination to convince people that his claims were valid. He identifies three ‘enemies’, and they in their turn continue to make demands which he refuses to accede to for fear of revealing the secret of his machine.
So here we are, living on a planet which it is believed is being slowly cooked by the carbon dioxide emissions generated by our own actions in burning fossil fuels through various means over the last two hundred years or so. Numerous ingenious solutions are offered but all are expensive to produce as well as maintain. All have serious disadvantages of one kind or another, yet throughout these pages we constantly press for the minimal acceptance that we might have a potential solution, but there is no one of a senior respected position within the scientific community who dare take that, admittedly dangerous step, in favour of a complete and thorough examination of our case.
The results could have a dramatic effect on the problem of global warming. It is roughly estimated that even if we stopped all carbon emissions today, it would take a about 1000 years for temperatures to plateau but nevertheless the steady decrease of emission that would stop even a tenth of one degree would slow or reduce the effects we fear, such as sea levels rising, strange weather anomalies and population migration.
JC
"So here we are, living on a planet which it is believed is being slowly cooked by the carbon dioxide emissions generated by our own actions in burning fossil fuels through various means over the last two hundred years or so."
ReplyDeleteI do not believe in this .
I’m not convinced either, but if it is true then Bessler’s wheel might help. JC
DeleteWe don't have a potential solution to climate change. We have a mystery that obeys laws (ie not a gravity wheel). That's why no senior scientist is stepping up, not because he might be embarrassed. We're on our own here. Bessler's wheel is not going to save the planet, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteJeff
I know we’re on our own, but I sometimes like to complain about being ignored by the huge majority of ‘experts’. Bessler’s wheel might have some impact. JC
Delete@JC
DeleteIf Bessler's wheel was solved tomorrow it could take decades to be developed into a useful power source IF that's even possible. It's immediate use will probably be as a science type toy for kids to play with or for an exec to keep on his desk as a conversation piece.
The scientists will stop ignoring it for a while as they whip up a quick explanation for how it works and why it's too weak to be useful, grudgingly admit Bessler was telling the truth, and then turn their attention to other matters like figuring out how to build bases on the moon and mars or make fusion power plants to get rid of fossil fuels.
At the end of the road the Bessler wheel chasers will be left wondering why they spent so much time chasing after something that was so unimportant to our modern world. But not to worry because there will still be other mysteries for them to chase after so they don't get bored.
People seem to have an inner need to chase after things like fame, politics, religion, knowledge, wealth, hobbies, pleasure, etc. It's a part of being human we can't escape from. And there will always be some money hungry capitalist nearby to help them with their chase...for a small fee of course.
https://i.postimg.cc/vBqfK2mt/besslerrev2.jpg
ReplyDeleteI cleaned up my last design. I think it looks more uniform now.
Below is the process beginning with the starting imbalanced state. I marked one weight and one lever with a check and an x, respectively. The viewer can track the movement of the wheel's components to understand the concept:
https://i.postimg.cc/y62vYWVX/besslerrev4.jpg
Very impressive! Your flying weight wheel looks like it could be a runner. It definitely needs to be simmed. Please someone out there who is into simming give it a try.
Delete@ mryy, I commend you for your determination and imagination in offering several unique versions of your version of Bessler’s wheel. It has been remarked that I have not commented on your designs, but I never do here, it’s not personal and I am interested in all designs, but I found it distressed some people if I gave a negative view of a design, so I decided to maintain a neutral view watch and just read other’s comments.
DeleteJC
JC wrote "...I commend you for your determination and imagination in offering several unique versions of your version of Bessler’s wheel."
DeleteWow, what a change of tone! I think we will all like the new, reformed JC attitude. Let's hope it lasts!
@ anon 06:31, Thanks. Like any design on paper it needs to be simmed or even better built out. I have undue confidence in ??theOne$$.
Delete@JC, I am open to all feedback postive and negative. I am not one to be distressed if you happen to read my responses in previous blogs. In fact I encourage, look forward to and am appreciative of any criticism of my Bessler version. It may point out design flaws that I haven't considered and if possible correct them. **Remember, we are all here to find that solution.** With that said I Dare, I Challenge anyone here to show me my version is ??nottheOne$$. Do you have what it takes? Do you? So to all of you (including you JC) I say:
Bring It On !!
PS You have remarked on my version one time before when I demonstrated the Bessler logo resembling my bi-wheel design. You thought it was "ingenious" followed by -- of course -- two "but's". Very sweet of you. :)
@mryy
DeleteYour latest design looks like it might be workable as a one direction wheel, but I think you'll have some problems making it bidirectional.
If you make your bidirectional version by having two one direction wheels placed back to back on the same axle, then whatever wheel is turning opposite to its normal direction will be lifting its five red ball weights up and over 12 o'clock once each drum rotation, while they are held in the hooked ends of their levers, and then dumping them out of the hooks and down, one by one, onto the levers below them on the descending side. Seems like, in a bidirectional wheel using your design, there would be a lot of ball weights dropping on the descending side while the ball weights in the other one way wheel that was turning in its normal direction were constantly being shot back up from 6 o'clock onto its descending side. That will actually result in your bidirectional wheel not having a constant torque. The torque will peak once during each drum rotation.
Then you have the problem of explaining those 4 lb. cylinder weights Bessler took out of his Merseburg wheel.
Possibly they were your yellow weights and Bessler made them cylinders so they would roll along in tightly fitting channels, but then one wonders why he wouldn't let anyone touch their ends. However, to make sure all of those dropping down red weights of in your bidirectional wheel landed properly oriented onto their levers and stayed seated in the hooked ends of those levers as they were going over 12 o'clock when their one direction wheel was turning opposite its normal direction, you'd probably have to make them ball shaped instead of cylinders.
But, there is no mention of Bessler pulling any ball shaped weights out of his Merseburg wheel. Of course, I guess it's possible that if they only weighed 1 lb. each he didn't remove them or, if he did, he didn't let anyone handle them.
@anon 14:11, If you read my posts in previous blogs my bidirectional wheels (biwheels) are not "two one direction wheels placed back to back on the same axle." That's unnecessary, complicated and just won't work. My biwheel incorporates pairs of mirrored levers all around:
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To have the wheel spin in one direction push start in the opposite direction until a leading red weight is at about the 1:00 or 11:00 position. The remaining red weights will hop over to adjacent levers during the push. When the wheel is rotating all red weights will be on the descending side.
The problem with the biwheel is that it can never achieve the power of the one-directional wheel for the same diameter. For example a one directional with 12 levers and 5 red weights, when converted to a biwheel, can only have 6 levers for each direction and at most 3 red weights. See drawing above.
The fact that my one-directional can be converted to a two-directional with relative ease and that it fits eyewitness description tells me this might be ??thOne$$:
"... the Merseburg and Kassel wheels turned both ways. He set the Mersburg wheel in motion by exerting, on the resting machine, the pressure of two fingers applied until the moment when a single weight inside it was heard to begin to fall. It then began to rotate of its own accord with such force that within a minute it had rotated 40 times. When I turned the Kassel wheel (12 ft. x 18 in.) but gently, it always stood still as soon as I took my hand away. But when I gave it a more forceful push, when I let it go, it acquired in two or three turns its greatest velocity revolving at 26 times a minute."
If you turn the biwheel in the drawing above from its rest state you should eventually hear one red weight at either extreme impact the hook of the lever's catch arm. During rotation a cylindrical weight should land onto an upper lever if the projectile system is properly designed. I do admit spherical weights require much less consideration for geometry when they are in midair. As for the yellow weights I believe they had protruding rods at the ends which rolled over the rails. I think this prevents the rolling weights from veering off to the sides. The red weights could be the same way too.
The Apologia wheel (the black and white wheel in the above upload) may be a clue describing the trajectories of the biwheel's flying weight. I believe the white strips could represent sites where the weight is launched or where it lands. Hmm.
I hadn't seen this one before at:
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Yes, very interesting and if it works in one direction, it should definitely work in two directions. Now all you have to do is put eight of those double launch lever units into the drum and you'll have something that will explain the eight thumps per drum rotation on either of the descending sides of the rotating Merseburg and Kassal wheels.
Still, a flying weight design will be hard to sell to the Bessler pm wheel chasers here. They are mostly thinking weights fixed to the ends of swinging levers that never become airborne. But, maybe they will become more accepting of your design in time. Meanwhile, you need to have the design simmed. If a sim works, then you will find their acceptance rapidly increasing!
PM Dreamer
PM Dreamer, you know how I feel about those "tethered" designs. I don't think they will ever work. Gravity is just too smart and persistent.
DeleteEight lever pairs/units per wheel is really cramming it in. I think the 8 sounds per rotation heard could well have been 4 x 2 sounds per launch. That is, each launch produced 2 sounds. One was the yellow weight hitting the drum and the other was the red weight landing on the upper lever. So that means the Kassel wheel might have only contained 4 lever pairs/units.
mryy23 September 2022 at 15:43
Delete"Bring it on"
Do some torque analysis , it wont do what you imagine , sorry.
@anon 14.13, Okay let's see your torque analysis then...
DeleteActually you don't need an analysis, sim or even build yet to know that the wheel design *as shown* will rotate. It's always heavier on the descending side. Bessler mentioned the same and used terms/phrases like "preponderance" and "excess weights". Yes sometimes it really is that simple.
Actually I meant , you do it.
DeleteIts your design right?
mryy wrote: "It's always heavier on the descending side."
DeleteYou can't just go by the number of weights on each side of a wheel. You also have to take into account the sum of the individual products of the weights' various masses and their various horizontal distances of their centers of mass from a vertical line passing through the center of the wheel's axle. That will ultimately determine what direction the wheel's torque will be in assuming it has a net torque and is not in equilibrium. It's actually possible to have a wheel where there are more weights on one side of that wheel than on the other, but that side isn't the descending side!
You won't know for sure if your flying weight wheel will work until and unless you either build or, if that's not possible at this time, sim it. However, simming can be tricky and needs to be done by someone with a lot of experience making sims.
All that being said though, your flying weight approach is certainly a unique one, imo.
jason
@mryy
Deleteokay I took the image of the two way wheel you posted and put in on its levers what I think are the correct locations of its smaller red and larger yellow weights. here's the image:
https://i.postimg.cc/gjbr3sGm/mryy-wheel-torque-analysis.jpg
the wheel is supposed to turn cw, but I notice that four of the yellow weights on the left side are actually farther from that imaginary vertical line through the axle center that Jason mentioned than are their opposite yellow weights on the right side. one of the red weights on the left side is also farther from the vertical line than its opposite right side red weight.
to me it looks like the largest torque in this wheel that is supposed to be turning cw is actually a ccw torque! if so then there's no way it will turn cw. maybe I don't have the weights placed correctly?
@ Jason, I agree with you. But still, my design will always be heavier on the descending side (because of the red weights) and the net torque will favor said side. The yellow weights are constantly moving within their structures as the wheel rotates but they have minimal effect on the net torque. Their positions on both sides of the wheel are roughly the same at any moment. Again the biggest contributor of the net torque are the red weights.
Delete@anon 18:30, I am not sure if you read my earlier comments. How did you end up with 4 red weights on both sides of the wheel? This design with 6 lever pairs can only take up 3 red weights and they should be all on the descending side!
I like to make a correction to the biwheel at equilibrium. The two yellow weights left and right of the 6:00 should be in the guide pockets adjacent to the levers. I posted a modification of the guide in another blog and completely forgot about it:
https://i.postimg.cc/s2WckNtF/besslerrev9.jpg
@anon 17:24 said "Actually I meant , you do it. Its your design right?"
DeleteReally? You made the claim that my design is somehow incorrect. Then back up claim.
mryy25 September 2022 at 20:46
Deletesaid: "Really? You made the claim that my design is somehow incorrect. Then back up claim."
sure .
https://postimg.cc/Q91f4c6K
But the levers are spring loaded and when the yellow weights drop off the levers swing back up with the red weights... Also the demonstration shows a static wheel.
DeleteNice animation. What program?
kissmyass.exe
DeleteThose yellow weights triggered the levers. I didn't realize they triggered you instead lol.
DeleteAnonymous25 September 2022 at 21:24 not cool
Delete@mryy build it or find someone to sim it if you believe in it ? I still don't think it would do what you think.
@anon 21:24, are you anon 17:24? If so you made the claim so back it up with an analysis. Yes I believe in this design and it has to be built to find out if it's workable. So far, I wouldn't be investing my time and effort if I didn't believe in it.
Delete@ 21:39 !! omg what's going on today.
Deletelol.
DeleteLook you made the claim that it would have torque , i made the counter claim that it wont , you back up your claim that is how it works .
@ anon 22:12, You first brought up the topic of torque. But sure this design would have torque. Short of a design buildout my answer is that the red weights provide the net torque. In my previous reply to Jason, the yellow weights on either side of the wheel are roughly in mirrored positions at any moment during the wheel's rotation. Hence they do not contribute meaningful to the net torque. The individual torques of the red weights vary in time from the middle of the wheel radius to the end, approximately.
DeleteAs you have reservations about the torque in this design, I would like to hear your input.
Those red weights will have to be heavy to lift the yellow weights at the bottom.
DeleteThe yellow weights are further away from the centre at the bottom , that creates more torque for the red to overcome .
The red weights do not have a lot of distance from the centre, they cannot create a lot of torque to lift the yelliw weights at the bottom unless they are much heavier.
The leaping weight would need a very large force 4 times per rotation and once every 360/12 degrees.
To end my thoughts , good luck with your current or next design .
Delete@anon 00:36, Initially I thought you were talking about the wheel's overall net torque. It appears you are talking about the torque on the individual levers. You have the roles of the weights reversed. It's the reds that leap and the yellows that lift. Yes the yellow has to be considerably heavier to launch the red. Taking clues from Bessler himself, the ratio of the yellow-to-red masses should be (at least) 4:1. I don't know if you read my posts in previous blogs but I have already addressed the weights ratio.
DeleteI have already laid out a very plausible concept for a self-turning wheel that conforms to documented historical information. The next logical step is to build out (or sim I suppose) the parts and/or wheel and test them.
Hmm...anon 21:15 did make a nice sim of one version of mryy's flying weight wheel which he posted here:
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But, it's incomplete. mryy is right that it needs to have the return springs added to the levers, the 4:1 relative masses of the yellow and red weights adjusted, and, of course, the wheel must be free to rotate which it does not appear to be in his sim.
Well, mryy, it looks like you are slowly getting closer to having your design definitively simmed. Let's see if anyone will take it all the way so we can see if your design has the potential to be a runner.
jason
@jason, that was a umm nice sim. It's certainly a start lol. I don't know the accuracy of these softwares in modeling free flying objects though.
Delete@mryy
DeleteThat sim program he used was probably Working Model 2D. It will accurately model the motion of flying objects. But, during their brief flight time, the program will still include their masses in the calculation of the location of the center of gravity of all of the weights in a rotating wheel when, technically, their flying masses should be excluded.
However, despite that, the program will accurately calculate the torque provided only by the masses that are not in flight and are still in contact with or attached to a wheel.
mryy wrote:
Delete"@anon 00:36, Initially I thought you were talking about the wheel's overall net torque. It appears you are talking about the torque on the individual levers. You have the roles of the weights reversed. It's the reds that leap and the yellows that lift. Yes the yellow has to be considerably heavier to launch the red. Taking clues from Bessler himself, the ratio of the yellow-to-red masses should be (at least) 4:1. I don't know if you read my posts in previous blogs but I have already addressed the weights ratio.
I have already laid out a very plausible concept for a self-turning wheel that conforms to documented historical information. The next logical step is to build out (or sim I suppose) the parts and/or wheel and test them."
No mryy I had the red ad yellow the correct way around when i said the red needs to be much heavier than the yellow , i think you do not quite understand what i mean by that , but no matter.
I have the yellows 4 times the weight of the reds , do you have an image of your return springs ?
@mryy
DeleteJust to see for myself if your "untethered flying weight wheel" design could work, I made this quick WM2D model of a lever located at the 6:00 location of a 6 foot diameter wheel that is pinned so it cannot move.
The actual sim file was too large to upload to postimages so I had to settle for just using one frame that shows the maximum height achieved by a 1 pound red weight right after a 4 pound yellow weight has rolled off of the end of the lever's lower arm and the lever has snapped up and launched the 1 pound red weight upward (which was toward the wheel's axle and not toward it rim).
That zigzag line in the model is a linear spring (much easier to use then the program's torsion type springs) that is only 0.5 foot in length when unstretched and is stretched to 1.0 foot in the frame shown. It's k value is 4 lb/ft. When the lever is pulled all the way down until its lower arm hits that little light blue stop by the yellow 4 pound weight as it rolls off of the end of the lower arm, the spring's length is stretched to about 1.5 feet and will initially apply 2.0 pounds of upward force to the red 1 pound weight. If the k value of the spring is increased in an effort to launch the red 1 pound weight to a greater height, it tends to interfere with the ability of the yellow 4 pound to quickly roll off of the lever's lower arm.
As can be seen, the 1 pound red weight only flies about 1/3 of the way up to the height of the wheel's 3:00 position after being launched.
https://postimg.cc/6TRkkkXT
Consequently, based on this I'm not optimistic that your design will be workable even if its CoG is located and stays on the wheel's descending side. But, maybe a better made sim by someone more experienced than me will show it can work. I wish you the best of luck with it.
@mryy , Good luck with the future developments , imo i do not think it would work like you showed or imagined or even somewhat different or like i sim'd it, but keep going if you think it is going to work.
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@anon 15:01
DeleteIs you wheel sim pinned so it cannot rotate? I notice you used springs with dampers on them which will prevent them from rapidly launching the red weights upward even if their motions were not blocked by those folded over ends of the curved blue ramps.
I think you should try attaching the loose ends of springs, without using dampers on them, to the pivots of the leading levers instead of to the center of the wheel so that the launching force will be better applied to the red weights. And also change the ends of the levers so that the red weights cannot roll over far enough so that their upward launch will be blocked by those folded over ends of the curved blue ramps.
Even if those changes are made, however, it does look like the CoG of the wheel always stays on the left side of the wheel so that no CW rotation can occur.
@anon 04:25, Cool. If the software includes the mass of the airborne weight, it will incorrectly give a greater net torque and likewise a greater spin rate of the wheel. This undermines the design of an optimum projectile system. Does it make the sim unusable? Maybe not. It depends on the wheel version and its built-in allowance for errors/variance. Say you have two 12-lever wheels, one with 2 red weights and the other with 5 red weights. The sim would most likely be unusable for the 2 weights but could still model the 5 weights with some level of accuracy.
Delete@anon 08:09, I am still not understanding your reasoning for the reds being heavier than the yellow. The airborne reds are the ones that need to reach the upper levers so they need to be lighter. My concept uses torsion springs (like ones you see in mouse traps):
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@anon 14:35 and 15:01, thank you for the sims! What I am presenting here is a plausible yet basic concept of a self-turning wheel. Multiple factors have to be tweaked to make it workable. Bessler did the same. For example according to the sim which uses a linear (instead of torsion) spring on a straight (instead of a curved) lever, the 4:1 yellow-to-red mass only lifts weight a third of the way to the 3:00. We may conclude that the ratio shhould be larger, say as high as 8:1. Bessler stated his one-crossbar wheel (4 levers?) *barely* moved. I deduce from this that the flying weight was of much lower mass than the lifting weight. This makes sense as the flying weight has to be light enough to reach the upper lever.
DeleteOthers factors like the design of the lever, spring and weights need to considered and evaluated. Of course the sim must accurately reflect the wheel model. It's too early to draw conclusions from initial sim runs. I prefer physical build outs but sims can aid in the process.
mryy wrote: "If the software includes the mass of the airborne weight, it will incorrectly give a greater net torque and likewise a greater spin rate of the wheel. This undermines the design of an optimum projectile system."
DeleteAnon 04:25 stated that the WM2D program definitely does not include the mass of the airborne weight when calculating the torque of the remaining weights still attached to the wheel which will then be accurate. The program only uses the mass of an airborne weight when calculating the location of the CoG of ALL of the weights in the wheel.
mryy wrote: "We may conclude that the ratio should be larger, say as high as 8:1."
I suppose if you make your red weights less massive relative to the yellow weights, then at some point they will be able to shoot all the way up to and land on a 3 o'clock lever. But, that will then reduce the CW torque provided by those red weights on a wheel's descending side and move the CoG of all of the weights toward the wheel's ascending side to further decrease CW torque.
This is starting to look like the typical no win situation which eventually shows up in all OoB pm wheel designs (except Bessler's, of course) regardless of their particular configuration.
mryy wrote: "I am still not understanding your reasoning for the reds being heavier than the yellow"
Delete@mryy , you want your wheel to rotate CW , if your yellows are heavier than your reds , the rotation cannot be CW because the amount of counter torque the yellows have against the reds , it is a bit counter intuitive , but you do you.
@Anonymous26 September 2022 at 15:28
nothing is pinned to the background or prevented from rotation , the wheel rotation in degrees is provided to show it.
"Anon 04:25 stated that the WM2D program definitely does not include the mass of the airborne weight when calculating the torque of the remaining weights still attached to the wheel which will then be accurate."
DeleteOk I misread.
"This is starting to look like the typical no win situation which eventually shows up in all OoB pm wheel designs (except Bessler's, of course) regardless of their particular configuration."
A bit premature... Considering 300 years of failures since Bessler, I do understand the frustration and pessimism not to mention other negativities.
@anon16:42 wrote: "nothing is pinned to the background or prevented from rotation , the wheel rotation in degrees is provided to show it."
DeleteThanks for that clarification. For some reason I did not notice the meter showing the angular rotation of the wheel. I must have thought it was a clock showing elapsed time and ignored it. Obviously, the wheel is virtually motionless.
How did you manage to upload the sim file for mryy's twelve lever wheel to postimages? What file type did you upload? Was it .avi ? .dxf ? .gif ? That info might come in handy to know for other simmers who might want to upload a quick sim to postimages in the future.
Anonymous26 September 2022 at 18:58
DeleteFile format used was a gif .
I wanted the ??theOne$$ concept to have more net torque in favor of the descending side. I modified the blue guides to incorporate a couple of steps. Once a yellow weight drops off at 6:00 it will have to free fall twice off the guide steps before returning to its rails. That brief moment of the fall -- when the weight is independent of the system -- the ascending side is lightened and hence the net torque increases. There should be 2 weights falling at the 9:00 and 10:00 levers about the same time and so the side is lighter by the mass of 2 weights. Suppose a wheel with 12 levers makes 50 rotations per minute. The yellow weights are free falling 1200 times per minute (2 x 12 x 50) on their ascent!!
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The guide steps remind a little of one side of the stork's bills which Bessler talked about in the MT drawings. Am I overthinking here?
Much thanks to anon 19:21 for the advice about turning a WM2D simulation into a .gif file to allow it to be uploaded to postimages.org. I used that technique on my previous WM2D sim of a lever launching a small ball weight in one of mryy's flying weight wheels and it worked perfectly.
DeleteI took my previous model and kept the mass of the yellow weight at 4.0 pounds while decreasing the mass of the red weight from 1.0 pound down to 0.4 pound (that's a 10:1 ratio of masses) without changing the spring settings. As can be seen and expected, decreasing the mass of the launched weight improves the height to which it rises and almost doubled it (I also tried reducing the mass of the red weight to 0.25 pound or a 16:1 ratio and was able to make it rise higher than the wheel's pivot!). I also added the two baskets to catch the weights and the simulation loops every 5 seconds.
https://postimg.cc/dhmhS7LV
Nice to see that there's been a sudden increase in the number of wheel design drawings and even sims being linked to on this blog. Hopefully, this will encourage more people to come forward and share their designs and others to try simming them for them if they are not into simming themselves to see if they have some potential to be runners.
DeleteI think we have give much credit for this sudden change to the recent arrival of mryy who made us aware of the postimages.org site which lets anyone drop in and upload an image there and then provides some links that he can put into his comment here so others can view it.
PM Dreamer
@ 23:44, wow great sim! I say it's a small step in the right direction. Now if a torsion spring was attached at the lever fulcrum and the arm swung way down until near vertical, I'd imagine upon release the red weight would by flying easily north of the wheel's pivot. Again, great job!
Delete@PM Dreamer, I'm surprised no one here was using postimages! It's been around since 2004.
https://i.postimg.cc/tTkcj28d/besslerrev11.jpg
DeleteI redesigned the lever rails over which the yellow weights roll. I shorten them and placed them farther from the fulcrum. I also modified their tips with two versions. The benefits are:
1. The weights being farther from the fulcrum will start swinging the arm out more at the 3:00. This could increase the torque on the descending side.
2. The weights travel a shorter distance to reach the ends earlier.
3. The modified tips temporarily hold the weights until they reach the 6:00 where they roll off onto the blue guides/drum.
Anonymous26 September 2022 at 23:44
DeleteDownside of that the GPE lost wont be recovered , and the 10:1 just shows how much as to be expended/lost in return for no real gain , energy input needs to be large.
https://postimg.cc/LgX6rcSJ
According to the UN "Climate Change is real, it's here, and it's getting worse".
ReplyDeleteThe fossil fuel industry's "influencers" have been busy for the last two decades trying to get people to have doubts about that message so they will go right on using fossil fuels as usual and the fossil fuel industry can keep scooping in profits by the billions per month as usual. Those profits are then mostly sent out as quarterly dividends to the millionaires and billionaires who own about 90% of the stocks of the fossil fuel industry companies. Every time you fill up your car's gas tank, keep in mind that a big chunk of the money you just paid goes right into their bank accounts and is part of their "passive income" which means they do no actually work to get it. All rich people just love passive incomes.
At some point, and we're not that far from it now, the disastrous effects on our world will no longer be deniable no matter how hard those influencers try to convince everyone that the changes to our weather patterns are really just a "natural and temporary variation" that has little if anything to do with burning fossil fuels. Maybe that is what it will take for all of humanity to wake up and finally get serious about putting the brakes on climate change? Will it be too late by then? That's hard to tell right now.
A lot of damage has already been done and we will either find a way to reverse it which will cost tens of trillions of dollars or we will have to learn to somehow live with it which will probably be done as billions of men, women, and children die off prematurely around our planet.
The world's capitalist dynasties were getting rich off of cheap fossil fuel energy for centuries. Now it's time to pay for that and the rich will want to make sure they pay the least, preferably nothing, while the average wage slave worker out there pays the most. This time, however, we wage slaves have to make sure it is the rich who use their own stolen dynastic wealth to pay to clean up the mess that they made making themselves rich! Voting only for politicians who support this approach will help assure that will be used.
When election day comes along, make sure you cast your vote instead of just laying back on your couch and asking yourself why you should even bother because your vote really won't make a difference anyway. That is exactly how the rich want you to think so you won't do anything to interfere with their ongoing greed no matter how many billions of people along with our planet have to die in the process. Like all who are mentally ill, the rich cannot control their actions. It is up to the still sane percentage of humanity to control them.
Anonymous and PROUD of it!
Anonymous and proud of it it would be interesting to meet you and share with you a working Sim that has 600Nm continuous torque. Tonight or should I say this morning I am making another Sim model using the prime mover of course to see if I can raise the output another 30% and I believe this change will also allow it to start on its own I'm not going to waste my time making a gear arrangement that allows it to run in either direction it truly is unnecessary. The orientation of this arrangement will allow a longer path in the same space another impossible statement I really don't care whether people think I'm boasting or not even though I am not. once you understand it you also understand it's not your design you're just rediscovering something that existed long time ago. Mind boggling isn't it? how could I make such a statement of course I'm crazy very important don't forget your towel and remember the answer 42 or was that 24 we'll see tonight or maybe this morning.
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DeleteAlthough you sound like you are left of Karl Marx, I think I agree with your basic premise. The rich capital class is largely responsible for our current mess and made the most money off of it, but I think we poor wage slaves also have to share a lot of the blame.
Every time we fill up our automobile gas tanks with fossil fuels, waste energy in our homes, make unnecessary trips, buy things we don't really need because we are bored, insist on having meat for dinner every night, and change the channel whenever something appears in the news telling us of the worsening climate crisis, we are all contributing to the problem. It's like we all hope if we just ignore it, it will quietly go away by itself. We're hoping it will be like a rain storm that comes on, gets worse for a while, and then goes away after which the Sun comes out again.
I think this time that's not going to happen and all of the classes, from the richest down to the poorest, all over the world are going to have to agree to work together to reverse climate change. We will all have to make some serious sacrifices in the coming years. If we don't, then the party will eventually end and probably very unpleasantly.
Maybe it will end gradually as the more advanced nations use their tactical nuclear weapons to force the poorer ones to hand over their supplies of fossil fuels to them so the advanced nations can keep their citizens happily using as much of it as they like while the citizens of the poorer nations die off because of their lack of power. Nobody will ever learn about that because the advanced nations will make sure their plight is never shown on their cable channel international news shows. We're already seeing such state control of media news being used over in Putin's Russia where just using the word "war" to describe his invasion of the Ukraine can land someone in a jail cell! The news shows over there make sure their announcers never use that word and the Russian people, until recently, were convinced that Russia was winning its "special operation" in the Ukraine to eliminate all of the Nazis that are supposedly over there and busily making bioweapons day and night to dump on defenseless Russian citizens. There's zero of evidence of that, but the Russian people have been conditioned to believe that if Czar Putin declares it, then it must be reality.
Eventually, such tactical nuclear mugging of the poorer nations' fossil fuel supplies could escalate until the advanced nations engage in thermonuclear warfare with each other. If that WW3 ever breaks out, then it will be end of about 99.99% of the human race and also of the other animal and plant species on our planet. The few survivors will be reduced to the level of radiation poisoned tribal people who will spend their days hunting for small game and foraging for edible plants. IF the human species survives, it could take millennia for it to crawl back to the level of civilization humans had back in say ancient Rome.
This might all sound like science fiction now, but let's hope our collective greed and laziness does not turn it into science fact someday. Each of us has to ask ourselves what we are doing right now to fight Climate Change. Big changes begin with a lot of little changes. We all know what we have to do. It's time to start doing it rather than just talking about doing it.
How's this for a solution to climate change?
DeleteWe shoot rockets up into orbit that then open up and release billions of little confetti size pieces of thin aluminum foil. They all go into orbit around the Earth and reflect incoming sunlight back out into space. That then reduces the amount of sunlight reaching our atmosphere and being absorbed by the greenhouse gases which then prevents many of them from reacting by vibrating and heating up the surrounding air to raise the temperature of the surrounding air.
After the aluminum foil confetti orbits around our planet for a while, the solar wind will eventually blow it all off into space and normal sunlight at the will be restored. We keep doing this as long as we need to in order to keep the atmosphere from overheating while we work on eliminating the use of fossil fuels by developing nuclear fusion reactor plants to supply humanity with all of the electrical power it needs.
Fortunately, aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth's crust and we smelt about 41 million tons of it each year. We won't run out of it as we use it as needed to reflect the sunlight away from our atmosphere to keep it from overheating.
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DeleteSounds like have a good plan, but they'd have to be careful at what height they orbited all of that aluminum confetti or it might mess up the telecommunication, weather, and spy satellites we have up there. The problem is the higher its orbit is placed the more that will have to orbited or there would be too much space between the pieces to stop enough of the incoming infrared from the sun to cool the atmosphere.
There is another plan I read about which would use military tanker aircraft flying as high as they can and spraying out sulfuric acid. The idea is to put enormous numbers of tiny droplets of this acid up there which would then reflect infrared back out into space. Apparently this is what happens after volcanoes erupt and it does rapidly cool the atmosphere. But, then we have to wonder if all of that sulfuric acid would eventually come down as acid rain and kill animals and plants on the planet's surface. When it lands in the ocean it could destroy coral reefs and sea life there.
Whatever solution we come up with always seems to have problems that make us wonder if the cure might not be worse than the disease. A lot of people I fear will just decide it's too late to do anything so let's not do anything and deal with the consequences as they come along. Maybe that will result in the few surviving percent of humans living inside of domed over cities or in underground tunnels? Then with those few humans using very little fossil fuels if any, the atmosphere would return to normal in a thousand years or so.
I'm wondering what our planet will look like in the year 2100. Either the problem will be solved or there won't be many humans left still alive.
Besides climate change there is another reasons to develop other sources of energy and that is pollution which causes illness. How about alleviate the constant pressure put on our environment. Yes it would change the world in other ways once the greedy enemy of humanity have less power to manipulate politics and markets. They would have to take a back seat no more first class treatment. Like it or not it would stabilize markets and greatly reduce poverty because this is a technology that promotes self-sufficiency and freedom. You could easily be compared to the great equalizer. Yes they'll be a lot of turmoil before a truly peaceful outcome. This change is worth it considering the alternatives. There is a small minority of individuals in comparison to the rest of the world population who hold power now they wouldn't see any monetary profit obviously by such a discovery, that is why it is necessary to have a good plan. It would not be advisable to underestimate the enemy call me crazy that's a good start crazy is good cover! actually wonderful the perfect cover they won't see it coming .
ReplyDeleteClimate change is not the end of the world, it is even an excellent reason to think about the future of humanity, and the sharing of its resources.
DeleteI am convinced that the world is perfect, this is not philosophy, it is an evidence... Nothing happens in this world without it being more or less predictable, we are all reacting to things, impossible to do otherwise... In short, I am convinced that B did not invent a perpetual machine, but that he was convinced of it.
Personally I don't believe in this possibility, but I think that he developed a machine that is a bit confusing and can distill energy for a very long time...
I have studied almost all the MT's and made a few models on the subject, I have come to the conclusion that in my opinion only the MT47 can allow such a feat, provided that you REALLY understand how it works. I'm slowly working on it because imagining all the parts in motion requires a bit of effort when it comes to building it. Before the end of 2022 I will have finished this adventure.
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The very fact that this group of researchers exists, suggests that curiosity is stronger than reason. Let's come back to earth lol, first create an oscillator, the MT 47, then couple it with what you want, an MT 13 for example will do the trick, but it's not the only one. I can't wait to get to it.
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THX4 I agree we cannot know for sure what was going on inside , its details down to the hair , technical / mechanics / physics etc.
DeleteSo i cannot personally state that it was PM according to the 17th century definition or not , but given what we know about the device/wheel , its dimensions, the demonstrations observations and all the restrictions that would apply performance and construction included and the period and output , it does not seem to be possible or an explanation i can accept when most people explain it away as a winded spring or such.
It is very easy of course to say well it had to be fraud or misconception ,because anything else would not fit what we know about natures laws , however if I try and go with the fraud or misconception explanation , I cannot find a valid design or explanation that would fit acceptable for what we know about it historically.
JB wrote "I cannot find a valid design or explanation that would fit acceptable for what we know about it historically."
DeleteMaybe that's because you haven't seen this yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nP7KY6_EAM
ALERT! ALERT! BREAKING NEWS! Bessler's wheels are now totally obsolete!
ReplyDeleteNow there's no further need to try to figure out how Bessler did it. What a relief and just in time because I quit my search only a week ago!
Some guy from Germany just gave a link over on bwf to a video showing a WORKING "capillary action" motor that predicts it will soon be used to electrically power everyone's home. Looks like it's NOT a hoax.
https://www.hwcv.org/empty-pagef738a1ef
"Some guy from Germany just gave a link over on bwf to a video "
DeleteStrange because that person could not add his link , so how did you get it ?
Fake .
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His magical hovering pencil which does not sink immediately when the capillary shape is removed from it .
I can clearly see this is a black sheet with a hole in the middle and someoe poking a sharp "pencil" in and out of it haha.
Nicely presented video, but most likely a hoax, imo.
DeleteI've seen demonstrations of objects moving through ferrofluids and they move slowly due to the density of the fluid. There is no way that the chain on their capillary action motor could move as fast as it does in their video. They are powering it with a hidden motor just like that veriproject guy does with his fakes on youtube.
This video popping up on the various free energy websites all over the world might really be intended to bait, hook, and reel in investors with too much extra cash in their bank accounts hoping they can get in on a ground floor opportunity and become millionaires overnight. If so, I'm sure those who made this video will be glad to drain off their excess money for them.
After they've pulled in a few million dollars and euros, they will then announce that they are having problems "refining" the device so it can run a generator. They will then tell their investors to be patient and wait for further news of progress. Of course, it won't be delivered and when an impatient investor emails them, the email will bounce and if he calls them, he will find out the phone number is "no longer in service". Once again, P. T. Barnum will be proven right!
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P. T. Barnum was a very interesting character. There's no evidence that he ever said "There's a sucker born every minute" although he certainly believed it. Here's a webpage that gives ten interesting facts about him:
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Before he got into circuses, he gathered a large collection of "curiosities" that he put on display in a building in Manhattan shortly after the end of the Civil War in 1865. It had all sorts of freaks of nature and odd artifacts he'd collected from all over the world and he'd charge people to come in and view them. One was an upright glass case which contained the mummified remains of a genuine mermaid that he supposedly paid a small fortune for and which was one of his main attractions. The fundamentalist Christian types back then were really upset by his mermaid and demanded he remove it at once because mermaids aren't mentioned in the Bible and what he had must have been something created by Satan to deceive humanity! Maybe they thought it was part of Satan's plan to turn people away from religion so he could capture their souls to add to the many already down in hell?
Of course, he refused and then a few weeks later a fire "mysteriously" broke out in the building and all of his curiosities were destroyed including the mermaid. However, there are supposed to be some rare photos of it that were taken and I'm trying to find them. Unfortunately, not everything is online.
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DeleteYour mentioning of that mermaid got me to searching around and I found some interesting material relating to Barnum and his mermaid exhibit.
Here's a short video containing a recording of Barnum's message to the future. It was made in 1890 using Edison's phonograph invention (which was invented in 1877):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbdzKP5SOsE
I also found this video that contains some rare photos of Barnum's mermaid which begin at about time 2:20:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK60NxPdsDs
Some think these photos are faked and aren't the original ones.
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DeleteI found this flyer that Barnum had made up to promote the exhibits in his New York City museum. The center of the flyer shows a full length drawing of his mermaid. Those photos in that video you linked to are probably the ones that were copyrighted and are now in the US National Archives, but, there is another photo showing a close up of the creature's tail that I recall seeing once which is not in that video.
I don't think that missing photo shows a single tail like a fish would have, but actually two separate legs that had been placed close together to make it look like a single large tail with each leg having a large flipper for a foot. If that was true, then it would mean Barnum's mermaid was bipedal and probably could walk upright on land if it had to.
https://mermaidsvsconspiracytheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/barrett-grant-a-19th-century-circus-and-sideshow-expert-the-real-mermaid-flyer1.jpg
I can see why something like this would really rattle the nerves of the born again's of Barnum's time. I think he was calling it "Sirenelle" since it was supposed to be a female. Too bad it didn't survive the fire so it could eventually be examined to see if it was hoaxed or the real thing. If it was hoaxed, then they did an excellent job of it.
If those mermaids have two legs, then I want one as a girlfriend!
DeleteAnon 14:18, it sounds like you are unfairly prejudiced against fish tail mermaids. Shame on you. I've know several of them and they make wonderful girlfriends and are great fun at the beach. Also, you'd want to have them on your team when playing water volleyball in a pool. They really know how to use their powerful tails to rack up the points fast!
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Sailors from ancient times claimed to have seen mermaids, so there must be something to the legend. Then again, maybe those sailors were just suffering from too much sun and rum?
DeleteThey even put figureheads of them on the prows of their ships believing they would pacify various sea gods and assure good weather and smooth sailing. You still see them on some sailing ships today as a nod to that tradition. Here's a nicely painted one which obviously doesn't look like the one in Barnum's museum that was destroyed by the fire:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6192/6024736029_eac4f33078_b.jpg
Lol! I can just imagine conversations like the following taking place in homes all over America if real mermaids are ever discovered:
DeleteSon: "Mom, I want you to meet my new girlfriend, Flippy. She recently arrived from the South Seas of the Pacific Ocean and she doesn't speak English well yet, but I understand some of her native language which is called 'Feeshee'. By the way, 'Flippy' is only a nickname her friends call her because her actual name in Feeshee is hard to pronounce."
Mom: "Hmm...I've never heard of that language before, son. My...she does have such lovely, large dark eyes, but I've never seen fingers as long as hers with skin stretched between them like that before. (Then speaking very slowly to Flippy so she might be able to understand) Welcome...to...America...and...our...home...Flippy. "
Son: "Oh, her long fingers are just a little genetic trait that runs in her family and one of the reasons for her nickname. I like them. By the way, she's looking for a place to stay for a while until she can find a job. Can she please stay with us?"
Mom: "I guess it's okay, but you know my rules here. No alcohol, smoking, or drugs in this house and she has to sleep in our spare bedroom and not in your room with you."
Son: "No problems, mom, and thanks. But, Flippy won't need our spare bedroom. She told me earlier that she would prefer to sleep in our backyard swimming pool if that's okay."
Mom: "Er...sure, son, whatever makes her feel comfortable. Our home is her home now. Nice... meeting...you...Flippy."
Flippy (in Feeshee): "Bloop...bloop...bloopy...bloop. Gurgle...gurgle...bloop...bloopy?"
Son: "She says she's happy to meet you too, mom. Also, she wants to know if we'll be having fish for dinner tonight with some nice sea vegetables served with it? That's her favorite kind of meal."
Mom: "Actually, I was planning on baked beans over cooked rice, buttered rolls, and jello for desert, but I'll see if I can find some leftover fish cakes in the freezer for her."
Son: "Thanks, mom, you're the greatest!"
When it comes to mermaids, the US' National Ocean Service is not convinced...yet.
Deletehttps://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/mermaids.html
Maybe they should take a look at the evidence in this video?
https://youtu.be/iuXPdQqMYW0
How did this blog's comments go from talking about climate change to talking about mermaids?!
DeleteI guess if mermaids are real, then they will also be affected by climate change just like humans will be. If the various kinds of uncooked sea animals and plants they need to eat die off in their particular habitats, then they will have to migrate to new habitats that will provide them with the food they need to survive. I will be watching to see if the reports of them being sighted increase in the coming years as climate change worsens. Hopefully, we'll get some video that's genuine and maybe even a corpse of one that washes up on a shore somewhere and proves to be genuine and which the government involved won't try to cover up so they can continue to control the minds of their citizens by keeping them from knowing what reality actually is. Citizens whose minds are controlled are always more easily manipulated for the financial benefit of the rich. Chiefs, rulers, and politicians have been doing that since prehistoric times and usually getting away with it.
Btw. I'm convinced that Barnum actually did have a genuine mermaid that he illustrated in his promotional flyer. It was known worldwide that he was collecting strange creatures and willing to pay a high price for them if they were genuine. He had some fakes in his collection, but that may have been because he or his agent was fooled by a convincing fake.
I think, like Bessler, Barnum was basically an honest man. I also don't think he considered his patrons to be suckers who he could financially exploit. He was a businessman who believed that he had to deliver something of value for the money his customers paid if he wanted to stay in business. Like Bessler, he didn't want to have the reputation of being a hoaxer and a scammer.
I think, like Bessler, he was also a victim of malicious rumors promoted by those who were envious of his success and wanted to tarnish his reputation. Those rumors were successful because even now a century and a half since he lived, people are still attributing that "There's a sucker born every minute" quote to him which he never made. Meanwhile politicians who openly brag about their corruption and even crimes are being elected to public offices. Those who vote for them really are suckers.
The bodies of dead mermaids and mermen occasionally wash up on beaches after strong storms at sea. This one, an elderly male of the fish tail type, washed up on a beach in Teluk Bahang, Malaysia in 2006. Note its fang-like teeth of a carnivore. Yet, its head lacks gill slits and has a single nostril so it could breath when its head was out of the water. The large fins on the sides of its head may have functioned as gills to extract oxygen from seawater when it was submerged and swimming.
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It was removed by the local police and never seen again.
About 60% of the people in Malaysia practice Islam which calls these creatures "humans of the ocean". Islam allows any that are caught to be eaten like any other fish despite their resemblance to male or female land humans.
They catch and EAT peace loving merpeople?! Eeeewwww... That's cannibalism and there should be an international law against it. The very idea is DISGUSTING! Omg...if I'd ever told one of my past mermaid girlfriends what was being done to her people by some humans, she'd have turned tail and left me in a flash!
DeleteDON'T EAT MERPEOPLE!
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"...she'd have turned tail and left me in a flash!" LOL!
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Thanks for totally creeping me out with those photos of the merman corpse from Malaysia. As I result I will no longer be swimming in the ocean or eating any seafood!
Shemp wrote "I've know several of them and they make wonderful girlfriends..."
DeleteIs it true what they say about having a mermaid girlfriend?..."Once you try fish, you'll never want any other dish." Lol!
You guys do realize that you're all totally nuts, right?
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