When Johann Bessler built his perpetual motion machine, he dreamed of fame and fortune but he struggled to find a formula which would persuade any potential buyers to go ahead and buy it. Gottfried Leibniz gave him some sound advice which he followed.
First he had to persuade people that his machine was genuine and that he was not a crook, swindler or hustler. This was difficult in those times with several of the latter sort all competing to extract some pecuniary benefit from every a sucker, dupe, mug or sap. His hands were tied from the start by his not unreasonable requirement that no view of the inside of the wheel would be allowed before a firm agreement to buy at an agreed price had been established.
He feared that if he allowed anyone to see and understand how his machine worked, they could make a similar device and sell it for considerably less, or perhaps teach others how to build their own version. There were no patent laws available to protect his invention, at least not of any worth. So his demonstrations had to make it clear that it was impossible for him to be found cheating in some way.
He devised a few illustrations to show what the machine was capable of. He showed it lifting heavy weights up the side of castle; turning an Archimedes pump; he installed two sets of bearings mounted on their own pillars so that he could transport the wheel from one set to the second set. This allowed each pair to be examined by the many spectators and examiners to check for any signs of fraud. His last demonstration involved the machine being locked in a room for a total of 54 days. Karl the Landgrave of Hesse, secured the lock with his personal seal and two guards were instructed to guard the door for the duration of the test.
The exhibitions drew hundreds of people to witness the demonstrations, examine the machine and the bearings, which were left uncovered during the examinations. There was a lot of interest but the inventor had asked too much for the invention. One hundred thousand Thalers - equivalent to £20,000 at the time. This was the figure the British government had offered as a reward to the person who invented a way of establishing a ships longitude . John Harrison won the prize eventually for his marine chronometer. This figure could only be possible for a Prince or an exceedingly wealthy member of the aristocracy and it was to these kind of people that Bessler addressed his plans.
As an aside Buckingham palace was built in 1706 at a cost of £7000 and adjusted for inflation this equates to a contemporary sum of £1.8 million! Of course if it had a market value it would exceed 3.7 billion pounds. But according to the web site at, https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency-converter/#currency-result Bessler’s £20,000 would be equal to £2,322,150. But even in 1717 with his £20,000 he could buy for instance 3717 horses, or 4807 cows!
It is clear from the many letters we have from that time, that Bessler’s machine attracted a lot of attention and was promoted among the neighbouring kings and princes. Despite the convincing evidence that his machine actually worked just as it’s inventor claimed, no one was prepared to take what appeared to be something of a gamble, and agree to pay the price asked. Actually there was one man who wished to buy it. The Czar of Russia, Peter the Great, determined to bring his country up to date by founding universities, school, libraries and importing professors, teachers and craftsmen in the most useful trades, etc, was persuaded to visit Bessler and had made arrangements for payment in full …but unfortunately died on his journey to Kassel. One wonders how things might have changed if he had succeeded in his plan.
News of the invention and how it was being used would have spread quickly just as Newcomen’s steam engine did and was used extensively to pump water from flooded mines. I’m not sure if it could have survived the steam age but it could have lived on among those few who were attracted to the concept of a free energy machine and awaited it’s rediscovery just in time to help with today’s problems.
In one of his books he says that he was told that if he was able to build a working PM machine it would be worth a ton of gold. A ton of gold is worth, very roughly, £41,517.000.
In the end I think he asked way too much for his invention.
JC
NB. Copies of books about Johann Bessler and his own publications are available from this blog. See the side panel at both the top and bottom.
After reading the actual history of the death of Peter the Great, it would seem highly unlikely that he would be interested in a perpetual motion and that even if he was, he certainly didn't die on his way to Kassel, that is for sure. Quote:
ReplyDeleteIn the winter of 1723, Peter, whose overall health was never robust, began having problems with his urinary tract and bladder. In the summer of 1724, a team of doctors performed surgery releasing upwards of four pounds of blocked urine. Peter remained bedridden until late autumn. In the first week of October, restless and certain he was cured, Peter began a lengthy inspection tour of various projects. According to legend, in November, at Lakhta along the Finnish Gulf to inspect some ironworks, Peter saw a group of soldiers drowning near shore and, wading out into near-waist deep water, came to their rescue.[35]
This icy water rescue is said to have exacerbated Peter's bladder problems and caused his death. The story, however, has been viewed with skepticism by some historians, pointing out that the German chronicler Jacob von Staehlin is the only source for the story, and it seems unlikely that no one else would have documented such an act of heroism. This, plus the interval of time between these actions and Peter's death seems to preclude any direct link.[citation needed]
In early January 1725, Peter was struck once again with uremia. Legend has it that before lapsing into unconsciousness Peter asked for a paper and pen and scrawled an unfinished note that read: "Leave all to ..." and then, exhausted by the effort, asked for his daughter Anna to be summoned.[note 3]
Peter died between four and five in the morning 8 February 1725. An autopsy revealed his bladder to be infected with gangrene.[10] He was fifty-two years, seven months old when he died, having reigned forty-two years. He is interred in Saints Peter and Paul Cathedral, Saint Petersburg, Russia.
I covered this event in my biography on Bessler. There was a lot of correspondence between Professor Christian Wolff, Leibniz and Areskine (Erskin), Peter’s personal physician.
Delete“Wolff was a pupil of Leibniz, and it was Leibniz who recommended him for the mathematical professorship at Halle University. The reasons for his inclusions here is that he was also a scientific adviser to Peter the Great, and helped to found the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences in Russia. He too was a great communicator and wrote several times on the subject of Orffyreus' wheel to Peter's representatives, and most importantly he was present at one of the examinations of Orffyreus' wheel, and reported to Leibniz all that occurred during that examination.”
I quote numerous letters, “ All the ideas for the development of the Academy of Sciences came from Leibniz's fertile mind, and he was aided by Wolff. Although he never went to Russia, Leibniz sent copious quantities of memoranda, particularly regarding the Academy of Sciences, reform of justice and government, and various scientific and geographical projects.
It was in these early correspondences that Peter became aware of Leibniz's interest in the Orffyrean perpetual motion machine, and decided to buy the secret of the machine for the benefit of Russia. Being unable to examine the machine himself, a fact that must have irked him, he sent his representatives to negotiate with the inventor. It was not until 1725 that an opportunity to personally examine the Orffyrean machine arose, but unfortunately for him and Orffyreus and perhaps, the rest of us, he was overtaken by events and died before being able to complete the journey.”
I don’t want to copy and paste everything in my book but if you need more information please read it. Last quote I’m putting here. “ On the 22nd July 1716, Wolff wrote to Leibniz,
'Two men have arrived here in Halle and are intending to travel to Merseburg in
order to buy Orffyreus' machine on behalf of the Czar of Russia. They are aware that Orffyreus is about to move to be under the protection of the Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel. One of them spoke with me and asked me to accompany them when they visit Orffyreus in order to assist in arranging an agreement with him.'
I was fortunate to have an extremely accomplished historian as a personal friend of the family. She was Ragnhild Hatton who was a member of the International History Department. LSE Archivist. She gave me so much advice and information about the life of the Czar.
JC
Read about Ragnhild Hatton at
Deletehttps://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/documents/1395/94p543.pdf
JC
I don't think Bessler was asking too much, it's how he wanted to be paid that was the real problem.
ReplyDeleteHe labored for ten years to find a working wheel design and his asking price was 100,000 thalers. That's 10,000 thalers per year. I read somewhere that Wagner, as a math professor at a major university, was making about 3,000 thalers per year from his teaching and publications. So Bessler was only asking for about 3 and 1/3 as much as Wagner was making per year for his labor. Too much? All Wagner did was make a fake pm wheel, ASSUME that Bessler had the same design, and use that to cast suspicion on his honesty. But, Bessler did not. He had the real thing and surely he should have been paid more for its research and development than for the effort required for Wagner to quickly make a fake pm wheel.
But, imo, Bessler would have had a far better chance of selling his invention if he had just offered to sell it for, say, 30,000 thalers and then got paid a percentage of the money its use earned in the years to come. Doing it that way would have convinced businessmen that he was confident enough in his invention to gamble his future payments on it proving to be profitable for them. Maybe after a decade he would have had the full 100,000 thalers he wanted. During that time he could have kept himself busy setting up his "Fortress of Wisdom" which was a religious (his version, of course!) trade school somewhere. Bessler really got nothing done for that grand plan of his after the destruction of the Kassal wheel. He did what businessmen refer to as "pricing oneself out of the market". This mistake has caused many a business to go bankrupt.
Once he realized there were no takers he should have either dropped the price or set up a wheel for a businessman to rent (for whatever purpose), kept the covering on it, or built it inside a secure structure, and proved it to other buyers that way. The fact that he didn't do more to sell it raises eyebrows.
ReplyDeleteJeff
I agree with your very well thought out insights! I should have revealed it free of charge for the whole world back in my past life as I have done in my wonderful book. You are a very wise person Jeff and I think John has been such a great inspiration with all the clues he found and shared openly to everyone! I only wish to be as great as him and since the day I realized that I was Johann Bessler in a past life I have decided to follow John's example and share my clues and also my secret.
DeleteYou're as pathetic as the real Ken. Your arrested development nearly matches his.
DeleteJeff
@anon 19:23
DeleteWow! Quite a change from the typical stooges on the blog who constantly asked JC not to delete comments when they favor Ken ... all of a sudden have such a change of heart and want everything deleted! LOL
I bet none of you would have had anything to do with this , if the price was lowered and it was sold.
ReplyDeleteNo mystery to solve, nothing to prove , no books to write or read , none here would have a "design" for anything to blab on about , it would be common knowledge how it was done , and no one would give it a second thought.
Yes, there would have been no energy problems, no big guys trying to shut down free energy...it would have been glorious.
DeleteWhere's the proof that Bessler DIDNT sell it??? How do you know that he didn't just sell it and keep the sale a SECRET??? What if the BUYER bought it on condition of him keeping his mouth SHUT about it??? Just think, if Bessler made a free energy device that solved all the world's woes, AND IF he was telling the truth when he wrote in his books that he could scale the power of the wheel up to whatever power output was needed, NO MATTER HOW MUCH power was needed, then just WHY would Bessler go and start building a WINDMILL??? Especially when windmills put out LESS power, are unreliable (wind fluctuates), and aren't even PORTABLE??? And just WHERE do you think he got the MONEY from to build such an elaborate building, when we're told he was supposedly penniless and starving and didn't have Carl to finance him anymore (since by that time Carl was DEAD)???
DeleteJust Thinking...
The proof he didn't sell it is as plain as the nose on your face.
DeleteJeff
JB wrote "No mystery to solve, nothing to prove , no books to write or read , none here would have a "design" for anything to blab on about..."
DeleteYeah that would have resulted in no JC's or KB's writing about Bessler and his wheels and this blog and others probably wouldn't exist today. If he'd revealed the secret, then maybe with three centuries of development it would be a serious source of power nowadays and there would be no Climate Change because we would all be driving around in all electric cars! We'll never know for sure.
Anon 21:56 wrote "Where's the proof that Bessler DIDNT sell it??? How do you know that he didn't just sell it and keep the sale a SECRET???"
If he'd sold it he would have been off with the money and using it to set up that trade school that anon 18:38 mentioned above. We have to keep in mind that the sale of his wheel invention was just a stepping stone to much larger plans he had. He wanted to establish his own religious trade school that would help to promote a new form of religion he came up with that would unite all of humanity's religions into a single religion which would be his "Orffyrean Church". I think his hope was, by doing so, his new religion would eliminate the religious differences which had led to past persecutions and wars. Certainly a noble goal. But, I think it would actually be more difficult to do that then to find a working pm wheel design!
@Jeff and anon above
DeleteAll of you don't get it. If someone wanted Bessler and his wheel to simply just go away, all they would do is give Bessler the money, tell him to be quiet, not do anything more about the wheel, tell nobody he sold it, etc. Then what can Bessler do? Well, he can't go on and on about his glorious mobile anymore like he did in his books all the time, and that also means he CANNOT make his school which is FOUNDED on the pm principle. To top it off, he can't tell anybody about all the MONEY he made. So what does he do? He launders the money by building a WINDMILL that will hopefully pay off his investment over time.
Just Thinking...
Lol.
DeleteJeff
Creating clues and finding clues , they are two different things , it is clear as day Ken created a sim where the amount of error allowed it to revolve a little , he then recorded it , and then went about looking how he could draw a bunch of lines at angles and lengths and to manipulate his numbers in to place on Bessler's work so that he may link them together with his own , for the the sake of stating they are clues he used to create his sim , we all know he did it the other way around , he thinks everyone else is as dumb as dirt and would believe the childish nonsense he spouts about.
DeleteMartin wrote “ I've seen that Ken B wheel in his youtube video and it does seem to match all of the major clues I'm aware of”. What major clues? Oh you mean the mouse?
DeleteBessler never claimed to have used Y shaped anything , show me where he said he did
DeleteLet me ask you a question , if you believe in SoS's and Ken's garbage and his supposed solution .
DeleteIf you believe in it , then accordingly to your believe it has been solved , what are you doing here ?
Why do we have to keep reading about this nonsense over and over again , it seems to me you care who believe this nonsense .
We don't care about your nonsense , take it somewhere else , go and build your junk and keep it to yourself or spread it on your youtube's .
@JC
DeleteCongratulations on deleting a comment which was a sarcastical joke about Ken's book. You have successfully silenced not only voices in favor of Ken but also the voices opposed to him, which I must say is quite a change here on the blog. However I also noticed that Jeff's reply to the joke may be now construed as a reply to the insightful comment that "Just Thinking..." had posted. Poor JT must be very unhappy at having his comment looking like it's being laughed at by Jeff instead of the joke mocking Ken's book.
Yes I deleted some comments which I considered promoting Ken’s book. I’m sorry if I deleted yours, I usually welcome comments which provide a balance to his constant attempts to justify his work, and I made a mistake in removing yours. I was too quick to act and sometimes comments such as Jeff’s get left isolated from what they were writing about. I had originally decided to let the odd comment by Ken or his stooges pass without comment or reaction, but I felt that he was taking advantage yet again and I’m afraid I acted hastily. Sorry guys, I just wish more of you would comment negatively about his comments when you see them, then I could leave them up and let others try and chase him away.
DeleteJC
I would just leave all the comments up. No one is buying his book anyway from his comments here, so it doesn't matter. But he is a festering pustule on the buttocks of an orangutan, I agree.
DeleteJeff
WTF! That new guy "Martin" just had his FIRST comment here after months of lurking deleted by John! That's a really nice way to welcome someone especially when he said he has a new wheel design for us to consider. Way to go, John!
DeleteLooks like John's old "elitist pm philosophy" is right back again and stronger than ever as someone a few blogs ago accurately predicted it would be (..."a leopard doesn't change its spots"). John's "reform" certainly didn't last long. That philosophy is based on his peculiar delusion that only HIS version of Bessler's wheel is the correct one and any other that does not "mimic" it is wrong and it is his sacred duty to keep others from learning about it no matter how many comments discussing it he has to delete.
Maybe deleting comments somehow makes him feel powerful for a while and takes his mind off of the fact that he is no closer to solving the Bessler wheel mystery now than he was fifty years ago? I hope that Martin guy can allow for John's delusional philosophy and still show us what he came up with. John does NOT speak for the majority of those who visit this blog and he never has! We need to see more clue analysis and wheel designs here instead of just never ending Bessler biography or talk about climate change and how Bessler's wheels will fix it all up.
Jeff wrote "No one is buying his (KB's?) book anyway from his comments here, so it doesn't matter." I'm wondering if anyone is buying any of JC's books from this blog especially when they read here that they won't tell them how Bessler's wheels actually worked and there's nothing in them that they can't find online for free! Lol!
Delete@anon 23:38
DeleteJohn not only deleted Martin's first post here but he also deleted several posts from others welcoming Martin here and saying they wanted to see the wheel design he had. Even more troubling is that John doesn't seem to give a damn about the feelings or efforts of those whose posts he deleted. Is that kind of treatment supposed to encourage people to share their ideas here? It almost looks like he's trying sabotage his own blog!
Anon 04:24 wrote "...but he also deleted several posts from others welcoming Martin here and saying they wanted to see the wheel design he had."
DeleteJohn had to delete their comments to cover up his initial deletion of Martin's comment. He was hoping nobody would notice. He always hopes that but somehow the truth comes out and we get another chance to see how he believes that only he has all of the answers when it comes to B's wheels. We've seen this bizarre behavior of his in the past and it still continues today.
If Martin ever posts again, I'm curious to see just what his reaction was to finding his first post here was deleted. Something tells me that he wasn't too happy about that. He seemed very enthusiastic for a first time poster.
Deleteanon 02:00 wrote " I'm wondering if anyone is buying any of JC's books from this blog..."
DeleteIf they aren't, then it's not Ken B's fault. I've seen where Ken recommends to those interested in Bessler's wheels that, after they read his book, they should then buy all of John's translated versions of Bessler's books and keep what they learned about Bessler's wheels from Ken's book in mind as they then read John's books for the first time. He also recommends that anyone who has already read any of John's books should then reread them again after they have read Ken's book. He says the effect will be like having a person with blurry eyesight suddenly putting on a pair of eyeglasses with the proper prescription lenses and finally seeing the world clearly in focus for the first time.
"He says the effect will be like having a person with blurry eyesight suddenly putting on a pair of eyeglasses with the proper prescription lenses and finally seeing the world clearly in focus for the first time."
DeleteYes, that is exactly what the effect is like! Thanks to Ken B I now fully understand everything about Bessler's wheels for the first time! They are actually so simple that even a carpenter's boy could build one in no time while blindfolded and with one of his hands tied behind his back!
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ef/52/8a/ef528a031b1e80a3175e57989e7ad96f.jpg
Shemp
@anon 14:22
DeleteYou're right. I wasn't too happy about that.
Based on the interesting discussions I saw following the wheel drawings revealed here by PM Dreamer and MRYY, I thought my drawing would also get the same treatment. It never occurred to me that I could become the victim of a blog owner's paranoia and the mockery of his "stooges" here.
I actually did manage to make a fairly good drawing of the design and was getting ready to put it on that postimage website when I found out about the deletion of my first comment here in which I introduced myself to everyone. Now as a result I will never share that drawing here or any others I might ever make. In fact, I've decided to do some deleting of my own starting with the link to this blog I put on my laptop's bookmarks toolbar months ago. This place isn't what I mistaken thought it was and I'm glad I found that out before investing anymore of my time with it. Lesson well learned.
To those who tried to make me feel welcomed here and also had their comments deleted along with mine, I say thank you and I'm sorry to see that you were also victimized. I think my bad experience should be a warning to other newbies interested in Bessler's wheels of what can happen to their comments if they also make the mistake of trying to share any of their wheel drawings here.
Martin
Martin = Ken Behrendt
DeleteThe REAL reason why "Martin" (aka Ken) won't post anything is because he doesn't have anything different from what he already published in his book.
@anon 1:23
Delete"I actually did manage to make a fairly good drawing of the design and was getting ready to put it on that postimage website when I found out about the deletion of my first comment here in which I introduced myself to everyone. Now as a result I will never share that drawing here or any others I might ever make."
Lol! Marty's comment gets trashed... and now he's stomping on the floor and whining with the biggest temper tantrum he can muster! If King John takes down his first speech about Ken's wheel... he definitely won't share anything with all the rest of us! Lol
It's all obviously staged, anon. "Martin" comes on acting like a newcomer, then says a few good things about Ken (knowing John will delete it), and then he comes back with this long funeral speech to try to make John sad and regret his decision, not realizing he's being toyed with by none other than Ken himself.
DeleteGuys, I think you are crediting Ken B with way too much power. He's been out of pm wheel research since at least the beginning of this year and moved on to writing books about other subjects which have nothing to do with Bessler or pm wheels. I'm convinced that "Martin" guy who left in a huff is an actual real person and not a Ken B sock puppet or "disciple" trying to promote Ken B's book. I did see Martin's post before it was deleted and he was actually criticizing Ken's wheel design and said he had a better idea to make a simplified version of it that would be easier to build and more powerful. Does that sound like someone trying to promote Ken's wheel design? It doesn't to me.
DeleteI think the problem here is that we are seeing an end of summer flare up of John's case of "KDS" or "Ken Derangement Syndrome". This causes him to suspect that anyone here who even mentions Ken B in any way and says anything positive about him MUST be Ken B in disguise! He treats its symptoms by deleting any suspected posts by Ken B or his disciples. Apparently that helps to relieve the symptoms of this disorder. Whether you all realize it or not, you have also been infected with John's KDS as well. It literally travels out from him to others here like a flu virus. How can you tell if you are infected? Simple, if you read this post and think that I am Ken B, then you are infected! Me denying it will make no difference to you because the mere fact that I even mentioned Ken B proves to you that I am him (even though I'm not!).
The best I can tell is that John contracted KDS shortly after Ken B's Bessler book was published in early 2019. I'm puzzled as to why that happened. John at first highly praised Ken's book and even invited him to this blog to promote it, but I think that was before John actually read it. See for example, this blog:
https://johncollinsnews.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-triumphant-orffyrean-perpetual.html#comment-form
But, then something changed by the end of 2019 and John suddenly started insulting Ken and putting down the wheel design he found described by those new clues he claims Bessler had hidden mainly in the two DT portraits. I suspect that this change happened after John finally did obtain Ken's book and there was something in there he saw that caused him to develop KDS. But what?
Maybe it was because Ken's design was radically different from John's? Maybe it was because John could not follow how Ken had managed to find and interpret the new clues? Who knows, but he's suffered from KDS ever since and it flares up from time to time on this blog. This is a shame because I never saw Ken B say anything nasty about John and as someone above mentioned, Ken always encourages others to obtain and read all of John's Bessler books although he also always tells them to read his book first so they will have a better understanding of what Bessler was trying to obscure in his own writings.
@Martin
DeleteI was sorry to read about your bad experience here. I didn't see your comment that was deleted, but it sounds like you also had to endure some harassment from John's few stooges as well. Other than that kind of activity, they really contribute nothing of value here.
I think whenever someone shows up here who obviously sounds smarter than John like you must have done in your comment, he starts to feel uncomfortable and will either directly get rid of him by deleting his comments (John's current favorite justification for that is that the newcomer is either Ken B, is pushing Ken B's Bessler book, or is endorsing Ken B's version of Bessler's wheel) or will indirectly get rid of him by encouraging his stooges to do it for him by driving him off with insults and mockery. John's already openly admitted that he uses that method in prior posts he made earlier on this blog.
So the real problem with your deleted comment was that you probably sounded smarter than John in it and he doesn't like that happening especially on HIS blog. That meant it was time for him to hit the delete button on your comment. Apparently he got so happy with the delete button this time that he even started to delete some of the taunts of his stooges! He then hoped that his attempt to erase you from this blog's history wouldn't be noticed by anyone. That usually fails though as happened in your case.
From reading this blog over the years I noticed that John tends to favor the nuttier posters that show up here and he will let them babble away forever without saying anything negative about them or their irrational ravings. Is he just being politely tolerant of their bizarre personalities and differing beliefs? Not really. It might look that way, but the real reason, I believe, is because their obvious nonsense makes him feel smarter by comparison and that helps to convince him that his latest wheel design is sure to work. He may actually need the nutters to show up here and preferably stay as long as possible so they can give him a feeling of intellectual superiority that helps him to keep going. He doesn't for a second believe in anything they babble about and neither do any of the other saner visitors here.
You're not the first victim of his bizarre method of censorship, Martin, and you won't be the last. The best defense against it is to expose it whenever it happens so that any saner newbies arriving here will know what's really going on if they choose to risk commenting and also reveal any of their research here.
It's too bad you didn't upload your wheel drawing to postimages like you planned to do because I would have liked to have seen it. I agree with others who say we need to see more drawings and clues being analyzed and discussed here and less biography about Bessler which we've all been force fed for decades now. I certainly want to see some fresh material for a change if there is any. Imo, the best bright spots here over the years have been provided by Sayer of Sooths and his amazing numerology research into MT, but he only shows up here occasionally. Note that even he was driven off this blog last year by John's insults. Fortunately, he finally forgave him and returned. Most others probably wouldn't.
I hope you see this comment, Martin, and take the risk of uploading your wheel drawing despite having your comment rudely deleted and being insulted by stooges. Those responsible are probably less than 2% of those who come to this blog and I'm sure the other 98% don't appreciate them trying to deny them the opportunity of seeing something new for a change while they only continue to show nothing new themselves.
I'm not Ken, but I have made the effort to complete the reading of his very large book. He states quite clearly in the introduction that he has filled in some of the many blanks in the Bessler story with plausible scenarios to make the biography he supplies of Bessler seem as logical and readable as possible. There's really no problem with doing that as long as he has told the reader what he has done and, imo, what he provides is probably very close to what actually happened. He uses a interesting "you are there" approach in which, as examples, the reader becomes part of a crowd viewing a Bessler wheel demo, joins in with Bessler and his brother as they construct the large drum of a bidirectional wheel, or sees how Bessler revealed the secret of his invention to a quite skeptical Count Karl.
DeleteWhen it comes to the description of the parts used in Bessler's wheels, however, there is no speculation there. Their dimensions, masses, and other parameters are precisely given in the DT portrait clues and he devotes much space to pointing them out. More interestingly, the identical values appear in both portraits! That would seem to be very improbable unless the design he shows in the book which is based on those values was actually what Bessler found and used and also wanted others in the future to duplicate. I guess the matter won't be fully resolved until someone actually uses that design to construct a working physical replica of one of Bessler's wheels. I wish I could use the simple instructions Ken gives to make a working replica of the first Gera prototype wheel, but I'm not really a builder type. I have trouble just hanging a picture on a wall! I think it's really a project for a younger Bessler enthusiast to take on.
Martin
@ the above three comments. You may not be Ken B, but your long-winded wordy style mirrors his. I’m not going to defend my decisions to delete comments which appear to promote the book, because the whole book is full of unfounded speculation and dubious conclusions, based on entirely imaginary clues. I am sure that no serious researcher could possibly give a moment’s consideration to the so-called “clues” that he claims to have found, such as a tiny ink smudge identified as a mouse and all the connotations he reads into this. The “clues” he finds and interprets in the portraits, utterly ridiculous and totally unintended as clues, are just misleading new people to this subject.
DeleteI’ve said the clues Ken claims to have found are not real, and the reason I know this is because I have found the proper clues and I understand them. They are clearly intended as clues and they provide everything anyone would need to build Bessler’s wheel. They bear no relation to Ken’s clues and the information they give is for a completely different device.
Bessler’s wheel is simple to understand and certainly easier to build than Ken’s. People keep asking why I don’t share my information if I know so much and I can simply point to Ken, he never shared any of his ideas until he published his book. I’m in the same position, I’m writing my book with a full explanation of the clues and what they mean. It will be much shorter than Ken’s and much more interesting. I’m also trying to build it but as you know I’m unable to access my workshop yet, but I can tell you with full confidence that this book will blow Ken’s to bits and show what a complete and utter work of fiction his is.
JC
Martin wrote "I have trouble just hanging a picture on a wall!"
DeleteYour opinion and praise on Ken is automatically rejected .
Hmm...lots to comment on here and misinformation to correct. Fact checking can actually become a full time job around here!
DeleteFirst, anon 04:11's comment above was done by someone pretending to be "Martin" who just copied that comment from a past blog and pasted it in here. He's obviously not the real "Martin" who said he had deleted his bookmark link to this blog and was not coming back. I'm another one who would have liked to have seen his wheel drawing, but thanks to JC that won't be happening now.
Second, JC wrote "I am sure that no serious researcher could possibly give a moment’s consideration to the so-called “clues” that he [Ken B] claims to have found, such as a tiny ink smudge identified as a mouse...".
I have Ken's book and this is yet more misinformation from JC about the clues in it that he CLAIMS to understand. There is indeed a tiny figure of a mouse present, but it is not an "ink smudge". It is a deliberate part of a capital letter in one of the words under a DT portrait and Ken claims it was a hint from Bessler as to how the gravity activated latching system in his two directional wheels worked. It is a very easy clue to miss and aside from Ken no one else ever noticed it before. If JC can't even get that simple clue right, can anyone believe that he understands any of the other clues in Ken's book? I don't and I remain convinced that JC never did more than just skim read his way through Ken's book without giving it the attention it deserves.
It is true that Ken's book is a huge volume, but a serious Bessler pm wheel researcher will take the time to read it carefully. I think those that don't are the ones who think no solution will ever be found or, like JC, have deceived themselves into believing they have all of the important answers when it comes to Bessler's wheels so why bother?
JC wrote "People keep asking why I don’t share my information if I know so much and I can simply point to Ken, he never shared any of his ideas until he published his book."
Lol! Once again JC seems to be suffering from amnesia. Ken was a REGULAR poster on this blog years ago. Here's a typical blog from early 2017 where Ken discusses his Bessler pm wheel research about TWO YEARS before he published it in his large book. Note how JC's pet troll at that time, an obnoxious character name "James", continues to insult Ken while JC does nothing to criticize him for doing so:
https://johncollinsnews.blogspot.com/2016/12/2017-happy-new-year.html#comment-form
JC wrote "I’m writing my book with a full explanation of the clues and what they mean. ...this book will blow Ken’s to bits and show what a complete and utter work of fiction his is."
JC has been singing that tune ever since his "Bessler - Collins Gravity Wheel" of September, 2020 proved to be unworkable and still his "much shorter than Ken's [book]" is nowhere in sight. Meanwhile, since the beginning of THIS year, Ken has already published TWO new books! While JC specializes in making excuses, Ken specializes in getting his books written, published, and into the hands of his readers.
JB quotes "Martin" as writing "I have trouble just hanging a picture on a wall!"
I can't find anything in Martin's comment above where he says that. If you claim it was in his comment that JC deleted then let's see JC restore Martin's deleted comment so we can see for ourselves that you are not just another lying JC stooge. Deal?
I would strongly urge visitors to this blog to fact check every statement made by JC and his few stooges that are meant to insult Ken B, his book, or that design he claims Bessler used. In almost all cases you will find that those statements are just half truths or outright lies as I quickly discovered by fact checking them myself.
Yes please check the facts if you can afford to buy Ken’s book, but be warned, it may bore you to death just looking for a convincing clue. I read the book when I reviewed it and I tried to be honest in my review and I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but the problem I have is that my clues are obviously right and lead to a much less complicated design, whereas Ken’s are ludicrous, obscure and wide open to anyone’s interpretation. All you people who claim not be Ken, will you stand up and admit you were wrong when I publish my book? Because you and he are so far from the truth that you are muddying the water with regard to what Bessler intended us to know. This is why I constantly complain about the promotion of Ken’s book. Ok so I’ve done enough criticism about the book to maybe encourage some people to buy it. Be advised, you’ll be wasting your time and money. But from now on I’ll just delete any comments promoting his book.
DeleteJC
"I wish I could use the simple instructions Ken gives to make a working replica of the first Gera prototype wheel, but I'm not really a builder type. I have trouble just hanging a picture on a wall!"
Delete"I would strongly urge visitors to this blog to fact check every statement made by JC and his few stooges"
You should learn to open your eyes before you talk to me , but anyway i have had enough of these monkey's here.
cheers.
Absolute Proof that Anon 18:17 is none other than Ken Behrendt himself:
Delete1. After pleading with Martin to reconsider leaving the blog, he suddenly takes issue with him returning to comment and makes up a completely false accusation in his following blatantly wrong lie: "First, anon 04:11's comment above was done by someone pretending to be "Martin" who just copied that comment from a past blog and pasted it in here. He's obviously not the real "Martin" who said he had deleted his bookmark link to this blog and was not coming back."
2. It is quite clear that it is impossible to know what Martin did or did not write, unless he himself was Martin. Even if his comment was copied from a past blog, how is anon to know whether Martin posted it or not? Only Martin himself would know... Unless anon above is actually Martin.
3. Anon seems to have been confusing his comments in mind when he thought JB was referring to his previous comment (signed as Martin) which JC deleted. He didn't realize it was in his latest Martin comment.
4. Anon seems to know how many books Ken has published despite that not being currently accessible public information. In other words, only Ken himself would be privy to such details.
5. As JC said, Martin also sounds like Ken.
Conclusion: Anon and Martin are both Ken himself.
So true! If that Anon guy was really fact checking like he says why did he wait until now to do it? No, what really happened is Ken went a little too far promoting his wheel until he got caught by JC. Then all of a sudden, he sends out another ridiculous stooge sock puppet to act like somebody else was pretending to be Martin. How childish of you Ken to play such stupid games here, do you really think we're that dumb? Maybe people in the imh would fall for it but we're not that insane!
DeleteOf course Ken is childish, that's why his fake character Martin threw a temper tantrum when he didn't get his way! Lol! Now he's got another fake character throwing a different type of fit - acting like fact checker! Lol this is the greatest free comedy show ever! I didn't realize Bessler wheel research could bring so many laughs! If there's one reason why I want Ken to keep commenting is for that alone - all the humor! Lol!
DeleteOMG! We've all been conned by John! He's actually one of Ken B's biggest fans and has been for years. All of his put down's of Ken B, his book, and his wheel on this blog are a total hoax! Here's a recent image of him that was captured by a CCTV camera over in Warwickshire:
Deletehttps://i.postimg.cc/pdmCN3pD/JC-s-Conversion.jpg
I also heard that John ordered a dozen of them when they first became available and he even wears one at night while he sleeps!
@anon02:15
DeleteHahaha...looks like you finally exposed John and showed him to actually have been a closet Ken B disciple all along! CCTV video images don't lie. I've always suspected that his reaction to Ken's book was a bit overacted. Thanks for finally proving it for all of us.
Words fail me! 😳. JC
DeleteLol! Nice photoshopping job anon 02:15. I'd like to get one of those tee shirts.
DeleteAnyway, here's an interesting wheel design yt video that was linked to over on bwf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud8v9NaLcDw
The builder was hoping that the levers could shift automatically during wheel rotation to keep their cog on the left side. It looks a little like Ken B's design that uses a set of cords between the levers and JC's past design that was loaded up with pulleys. It almost looks like he's close to having a runner. Unfortunately, "close" only counts with hand grenades and horseshoes. For pm you've got to keep the cog persistently on the wheel's descending side and his doesn't do that.
But, I do see the future of oob wheels moving in the direction of the design he uses which will be levers connected to each other by cords to transfer torques during wheel rotation. Wheels with separated and independent weight levers or rolling ball type weights just don't seem to work.
Let us examine the facts of https://cosmicvault.tripod.com/ where the author of the site states : "Total Cosmic Vault Homepage Downloads Since July, 2003: 10,000,000 +"
DeleteThis is what a typical faker does :
https://postimg.cc/qNMB7xXV
So it is clear that this individual is a liar and a faker.
What's your point, anon 12:36? Fawk, Ken could have had a counter on his site that went up over 10 million when the host for the counter went bankrupt and then he just coded in the figure he did. Nothing wrong with that and I've seen it done on other sites. Fawk, his actual current count might be over 20 million visits! Maybe he just got tired of using different free counters whose hosts all went bust after a few years. I would have done the same thing if I was him.
DeleteThe counter is real and not fake Anon 12:36 ! I hard coded the number in because the original started bugging me when I reached minus 10 downloads per day and I needed more attention and status to change my luck.
DeleteWelcome back to the blog Ken! Its so good to hear from you! We had this nasty rumor going around here that you were so busy with writing other books that you weren't visiting this blog anymore or doing any more research on Bessler's wheel. I'm so glad to know that rumor isn't true!
Delete@anon 19:19
DeleteYou will please need to identify who anon 17:40 was faking.
LOL
Seriously how many of you would like to build the machine that Johann Bessler built?
ReplyDeleteAlso how many of you would keep your mouth shut until that project was complete?
And finally how many of you would be willing to do it for no financial gain?
Yes I would, in answer to the first question, Stephen.
DeleteTo the second question I already find it difficult to keep my mouth shut until the project is finished!
Thirdly I’m willing to give it away, but any of us could make some financial gain, without demanding money for the secret.
JC
@StevieG
DeleteIf there was actually a real ongoing project to make Bessler's wheel, we would all be quiet and wait. But since nobody is doing that (including you), unfortunately, we have to talk about ideas until we come across the right design. Once we do that, building it will get done faster than you can blink.
Anonymous 15:01 let's say the discussion happens here when someone stumbles upon the actual solution and there is no organized way forward and they share their findings on this blog I sincerely ask you what do you think would be the outcome realistically?
DeleteI don’t know Stephen. I guess most people here have an idea of how they want to proceed. I can’t imagine anyone would be prepared to share their findings without some kind of agreement or a plan to identify the discoverer and acknowledge his work.
DeleteJC
Yes, yes, yes, SG! I VERY seriously want to build the machine Johann Bessler built. I SWEAR on a stack of Bibles to keep my mouth shut until the project is complete. And I am WILLING to do it all for NO financial gain EVER!
DeleteNow what?
Shemp
@JC
DeleteI would be willing to share the design I have provided I get an agreement from someone that they will actually build the wheel and not just put it through some computerical sim thingy
@Anon 13:49. I’m the same. I’d love to share my design but previous experience warns me not to. I don’t want a simulation done, I prefer to build it myself. If it failed I’d share it this time because this is the last one I shall build. Not because I’m old (and I am!) but because I don’t think it will fail.
DeleteJC
@SG
DeleteYou are obviously unaware that in the last twenty years or so there have been numerous collaborations of builders who were going to privately build Bessler's wheels or some other pm machine. What happened to them? Every last one of them eventually fell apart as their small group of members dropped out one by one after they spent years getting nowhere and grew more and more frustrated with the delays of their slowest performing members and their disagreements about what to do. The exact same thing will happen with any scheme you or anyone else cooks up for everyone here.
@JC
You've got nothing done since late 2020 other than deliver constantly broken promises and excuses why you can't build anything or reveal anything here. Do you honestly think anybody here actually thinks you'll get anything done in 2023?
All you do here is occasionally declare how you "can't wait to start building again" without actually getting around to it, put down simming as unreliable even though it is routinely used by other credible pm chasers and would quickly tell you if you was again wasting your time, and how you must first "prove" your design before revealing it here.
But, now you've added a new promise to your growing list of them: you'll reveal all IF your next build, the "LAST ONE", fails! Lol! It's just another open ended promise from you with near zero chance of ever being kept. It's about as likely to be kept as your multiple promises to "reveal all" before the end of THIS year of 2022 that you made in this past blog:
https://johncollinsnews.blogspot.com/2022/04/update-moving-house-next-week-workshop.html?sc=1651080234928#c7564652622175154805
I have no doubts that SG is planning something really big for all of us here. It'll probably be some big project to finally reproduce Bessler's wheels and it's about time.
DeleteBecause of his superior knowledge of how Bessler's wheels worked (which most here know is even greater than John's), I think SG's role should be to just sit back and be the overseer of the labor of others with lesser knowledge than he has as he finally guides us to the actual working wheel design Bessler had. There will be no need for SG to actually get his own hands dirty by building anything. That would be like asking the Pope to scrub out the toilet bowls in the Vatican restrooms and totally unacceptable.
There will also be no need to make any computer simulations of SG's design because his superior knowledge of Bessler's wheels will guarantee that what he directs us to build must work and probably the very first time it is allowed to run unless the builders were a bunch of losers who couldn't follow his easy to understand instructions.
I think anyone would have to be a real fool to not immediately join in on any plan SG comes up with for us. I want to be a part of it whatever it is! I will sign any agreements he draws up with and I won't even bother reading them. I completely trust his honesty and superior knowledge of Bessler's wheels and everyone else here should do the same, imo.
Shemp
You know what anon 17:53? I can’t be bothered to deal with your bellyaching, your just a troll, best ignored.
DeleteJC
@Stephen Glorioso I have the one and only complete full and working design! Unfortunately I cannot build the wheel I am terrible at working with my hands and tools. I once tried lifting up a tool in my hands and I immediately had to throw it away because a sudden shock went through my whole body and I started speaking in strange languages for a whole minute long. I cannot keep my mouth shut though because I have a condition which is called diarrhea of the mouth.
DeleteKen you have a sense of humour - who knew!
DeleteJC
@anon 19:17
DeleteSo delete happy ... uh oh! I guess anon 19:17 has suddenly been infected with a severe case of Ken Derangement Syndrome. He was avoiding it for a while, but eventually succumbed to it and couldn't help trying to press the delete key. LOL
https://i.postimg.cc/bwq43xjk/besslerrev18.jpg
ReplyDeleteThis is essentially the same as the last version posted in another blog. I refined the lever so that the inner surface has a gentle curvature for the red weight to roll over. You like?
Btw thanks to the reader who introduced me to Algodoo simulator sometime ago. I'll check it out.
Why all of those jagged blue guides for the orange weights? I'd just make them smoothly curved like the ones for the red weights. The quicker the orange weights on the ascending side can roll to the ends of their blue guides the better, imo. That will get them closer to the axle and increase the clockwise torque of your wheel.
Delete@ anon 21:44, as mentioned in another blog the jagged blue guides serve to increase the net torque of the spinning wheel. How? When those yellow weights briefly free fall off the steps and are in midair they become independent/separate of the wheel. The ascending side of the wheel is lighter by the number of weights in free fall (three here) and its torque will be less than half of that of the descending. Hence a considerable increase in the net torque. It is possible that the free falling weights will reach the axle sooner as there is less contact with the guides (less rolling friction). Assuming Bessler's wheels featured only smooth guides, my version could potentially put out more power. I did use smoothly curved guides in earlier versions but got greedy for more torque thanks to feedback from readers.
Deletemryy: "I did use smoothly curved guides in earlier versions but got greedy for more torque..."
DeleteBut don't forget what Bessler warns us about in AP: "Greed is an evil root..."
Your descending side weights may for a brief moment be untethered and in free fall which will for a brief moment increase CW torque. But eventually those ascending side weights are going to hit against the next lower step of their crooked blue guides with the extra momentum they gained during their brief free falls. That's going to create increased CCW torque for a brief moment.
I think you will find that using the crooked blue guides won't have any advantage over just using the smoothly curved ones. Also, that wheel with the crooked guides will be putting out a lot of noise as it runs. That's a waste of energy that could be better used for rotation.
@ anon 02:14, I did consider the effect of the falling weights hitting the steps. There's the possibility that the gain in net torque during those brief moments is canceled out by the impact of the landing weights. And there's the possibility that it won't, at least not completely. One could pad the steps (and even the weights) to absorb/disperse the energy and dampen the noise. Building and testing a prototype will ultimately decide the feasibility of this design feature. I like to believe it will work.
DeleteIf greed is evil, so be it! I will use this evil to produce free energy for the world! For evil to exist there must be goodness. The yin and the yang. Hell yeah...
Wait, did everyone suddenly forget that Bessler said that there are no falling weights in his wheel, and that all the weights are attached to something such as levers or springs? Exactly how does a free weight type mechanism fit any of the clues? And did everybody just get amnesia and forget that Bessler also said the wheel doesn't turn by impacts from weights or it would be smashed to pieces?
Delete@ anon 15:12, cite your source when you claim "Bessler said there are no falling weights in his wheel, and that all the weights are attached to something such as levers or springs..."
DeleteYou may check the following link which is supposed to contain all clues about Bessler's wheels, runners and nonrunners:
https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=150394
"...Bessler also said the wheel doesn't turn by impacts from weights or it would be smashed to pieces?"
He was referring to drawing MT 52, a nonrunner. Those impacts are "heavy blows" in one translation -- a difference in meaning. Bessler's wheels had weights hitting the drum (according to witness) but that didn't prevent them from being runners...
@mryy
DeleteHere's a line from Christian Wolff's December 19th, 1715 letter to Leibniz following Wolff's examination of Bessler's Merseburg wheel:
"I conclude, not only from this but also from other circumstantial evidence, that the weights are attached to some moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel."
@mryy
DeleteFrom MT, Bessler stated Because one has learned that little is to be accomplished with the sphere-wheels like those just now seen in the figures and diagrams, one speculates on another principle, namely: on weights!
In other words, the weights must be attached to something, as shown in MT, whether on levers or springs or ropes or whatever. But he clearly states that nothing is to be accomplished with free unattached weights.
@mryy
DeleteFrom the link you just shared above, this is the following quote:
The wheel did not derive its power from wound springs or falling weights
@mryy
DeleteFrom a physics point of view, Bessler's comments are provable actually. It's like he's trying to save you a bunch of wasted time from working with falling unattached weights. The momentum delivered ends up losing precious energy, actually. This is seen clearly using a ballistic pendulum. If a bullet of 1gram travels at a velocity of 4 m/s, the energy is E=1/2 mv^2=1/2*1*4^2= 8 joules for the bullet. The bullet goes into a ballistic pendulum and is lodged in the cork, traveling up with the pendulum. The mass of the pendulum is 3 grams. The conservation of momentum p=mv shows that the p of the bullet is 1*4=4, then if you add the mass of the bullet to the pendulum for a total of 4 you get 4*v=4, this the combined velocity v=1. Calculating the energy then E= 1/2*4*1^2=2 joules. This you ended up losing 6 joules of energy, a 75% loss. If you had a weight fall in a wheel, you would instantly lose 75% of the available energy, provided the entire weight of the wheel was only three times the weight of a single weight. If the wheel was heavier, the loss would be far greater, to the point where the wheel wouldn't budge at all. Bessler's individual weights were estimated to be 4 pounds, but his wheel to be hundreds of pounds, which is far greater. I can assure you falling weights and momentum cannot work in that way.
@mryy
DeleteIf you have "falling" weights, they must be attached to something to utilize the energy, because if you only rely on momentum you end up having losses which are far greater than friction. I suggest you look at the British Pathe video called Gravity Power 1939. The weights are continually "falling," yet they never actually drop down, but are always at the same height at all times. That is the key to Bessler's wheel. The weights must be always "falling" yet never actually "falling", if you get my meaning.
@ anon 01:48, Again you claim "Bessler said there are no falling weights in his wheel, and that all the weights are attached to something such as levers or springs..." Source? What Wolff said is irrelevant here. Heck the dude has never seen the wheel's inside so he dunno nuffin! I did suggest earlier that the yellow weights free falling off the steps is my contribution if Bessler didn't happen to use zigzag guides.
Delete@ anon 13:57, I am not clear of the context upon which you draw your conclusion that the weights must be attached. What of the sphere-wheels, figure and diagrams? All MT wheel designs are nonrunners and the weights are constantly tethered to the system in one form or another...
@ anon 13:58, I did a search in the link of that quote and did not find it. The "wound springs" and "falling weights" refer to ones used in grandfather clocks I believe. Not the same as my design.
@anon 14:14, my aim of the free falling yellow weights on the ascending side is to make it lighter, thereby increasing the *net* torque of the spinning system in those brief moments. The falling weights "disappear" from the sytem and their mass is effectively zero from the wheel's viewpoint. So what if there's a loss of energy as you claim through your mathematics of ballistic pendulum example -- a rather irrelevant example? Will that adversely affect the net torque? Show me with your mathematics!
DeleteSome forget that the Bessler wheel is a GRAVITY-driven wheel. The main "force" or acceleration is (beautiful) earth's GRAVITY. The challenge lies in the construction of a wheel to take advantage of this GRAVITY to keep it spinning on its own. Bessler stated that his wheel turned by the preponderance of weights. In physics we call it greater torque on one side of the wheel or *net torque* to put it succinctly. All this discussion of momentum, conservation, energy loss/gain, etc. just muddies/obfuscates a simple concept. And yeah it really is that simple...
Even if mryy's untethered flying weight wheel isn't what Bessler used, I still think it's a very novel approach and should definitely be simmed just to see if it looks like it might work.
DeleteAs we all know, drawing wheel designs is a lot easier than simming them and simming them is a lot easier than building them and building ones that don't work is, unfortunately, a hell of a lot easier than building ones that actually do work. Like life, pm wheel research is a constant struggle that usually achieves nothing. To hang in there despite one failure after another requires the pm wheel chaser to have the fortitude of mountain.
@mryy
DeletePhysics and mathematics is what sims use, and is what the real world uses. Bessler stated his wheel took a tremendous amount of calculation to make. I would like to know how anybody thinks they can build a wheel without math when the B man himself needed to do tremendous amounts of it.
Anon00:24 Bessler said the wheel was so simple that it wouldn't take a lot of head scratching to figure out and you could build it in a half hour. Seems like building the real wheel would be easier than a wrong wheel.
DeleteWait! Didn't everybody forget that Bessler said that the falling of one pound causes the raising of more than one pound? Then he said that the weights in the wheel are raised by the application of a lever - ok that doesn't necessarily mean attached to a lever but we know there is at least contact with the lever!
Delete@ anon 00:24, fact is the development/evolution of ??theOne$$ concept has its source from documented information by Bessler and witnesses. Read my posts beginning early August on here. As far as I am concerned ??theOne$$ conforms to those information very well, more so than other designs floating on the Internet. Of course I added my own touch such as the zigzag guides (assuming Bessler didn't use them). In interpreting the aforementioned information I like to believe I used judicious measure lest I ended down a rabbit hole. It happened a few times like deciphering the Bessler clue about 1 pound falling and 4 pounds rising.
DeleteYou say you find my approach "very novel" and I respond with a quote from Bessler:
"It's well known that countless people throughout all ages have sought the secret of perpetual motion, but no one (part from myself) has ever found it. What were they seeking? All the wise ones were looking for the same principle (of excess weight) that I have described, and they sought it in THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY FAMILIAR TO THEM. They sought to bring a wheel into a state of motion, such that, without the need for winding, its innate virtue would keep it revolving as long as its materials might last." AP 351 [my emphasis in capitalized letters]
Since Ken's wheel wasn't complicated enough with y shaped levers and precision tuned springs, now we have the supremely intelligent Mister Yick Yack himself who has alone deciphered all the clues and has guaranteed to make a design which will prove to be the most difficult wheel to ever build, what with all of it's slippy slides and zigzags to delight. After researching his complexly impossible gizmos, I have come to the inescapable conclusion that this is indeed Bessler's wheel, since only he could have ever come up with such a machine of monolithic construction, and now am calling all Bessler researchers to give aid to the aforementioned re-discoverer, and that we should do all in our power as promptly as possible to construct and build this wheel, no matter how daunting this project may seem.
Delete@anon 1:09
DeleteActually, Ken had described this in his phenomenal book on Bessler's wheel!
In the book, Ken stated that there were, in fact, two different wheels that were encoded in the books that Bessler had published. Ken decided to publish the simpler one, in the hopes that someone would build it. He decided to give the other design to a well-deserving Bessler wheel researcher.
During that time, he had deciphered a code that Bessler left saying that a great discoverer called mryy would appear on a blog, and that the one reading the code should give the design to him. Ken then emailed the design to mryy out of the kindness of his heart, and hoped that mryy would help bring free energy to the world, in case his own book should fail to do so.
uh oh! looks like JC's stooges are now targeting newbie mryy and trying to drive him off of this blog! will it work? probably not becaue i think he can take it. keep in mind mryy that those stooges are totally clueless and have no ideas about how B's wheels worked. they are only helping JC express his contemtp for anyone who thinks he does. now it's your turn!
Delete@ anon 01:09, What?!! My wheel is complicated?!! Go easy on the dope...
Delete"the supremely intelligent Mister Yick Yack himself" -- hmm I like that. I really do. Got a nice ring to it lol.
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@ anon 01:51, Some characters here are imaginative storytellers. Too bad that imagination couldn't be wasted on contributing toward a solution...
"Too bad that imagination couldn't be wasted on contributing toward a solution..."
DeleteI have a solution! But I offered it on this blog and was refused so many times that I forgot what it was!
@ anon 17:44, you do? Let's see (no one truly forgets unless he's completely missing gray matter.) Whether others accept or refuse is their choice...
Delete>>>Do you remember what it was?
Delete>>>No!
-Clunk-
>>>How about now?
>>>No, I still don't remember?
-Clunk...Clunk...Clunk-
>>>How about now?
>>>I've got it, I've got it!
>>>You've got what?
>>>A terrific headache!
LOL
I seem to remember that, Moe was interrogating me with his sidekick Larry.
DeleteCurly
Shut up you two knucklebrains, both of you, before I give you a knuckle sandwich
DeleteMoe
LOL.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, Bessler’s price for his machine was too high.
Jeff
@Everyone I do apologize for my behavior on your blog! I have no excuse for being the way I am you must know that I do think I know more than everyone because I was Johann Bessler in my past live and have been reborn in to this life time to right the wrongs of my past life and finally get my well deserved recognition!
ReplyDeleteWow Ken - we must be twins, I too was Bessler in my past life!
DeleteJC
For sure! ??TheOneandOnlyJohnBesslerhimself$$
DeleteI also apologize for my harsh criticisms against you Ken, and for deleting your comments. From here on, you are forever welcome to comment on my blog!
DeleteJC
LOL! These hoaxed comments by "Ken Behrendt" and "JC" might look authentic at first glance, but don't be fooled by what looks like that Andromeda galaxy icon used on the REAL Ken Behrendt's genuine google account. The Andromeda galaxy icon that the hoaxer of this fake "Ken Behrendt" google account uses is only one he put on a hastily set up blogspot account:
Deletehttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MgLy4mrfbCA/Y0v4OfgkapI/AAAAAAAAABA/yWxcdEkwZk0Sim3SVZ5KMLX13doiTUQpwCK4BGAYYCw/s35/andromeda-galaxy.jpg
He couldn't set up a another genuine google account with the name "Ken Behrendt" on it because that name ALREADY belongs to the REAL Ken Behrendt's google account and cannot be used by anyone else. IIRC, the REAL Ken Behrendt warned us years ago that this could happen and be done by hoaxers trying to embarrass him or distort what he was saying about Bessler's wheels. These impostors have been an occasional problem on this blog and other blogs for years.
I'm also sure that the REAL JC will not appreciate some hoaxer here pretending to be him. Expect this thread to be promptly deleted as soon as the real John sees it! That means all of this pathetic hoaxer's labor will just go right down the drain with a press of the delete key on John's blog dashboard. This hoaxer apparently doesn't realize that posting here anonymously or pseudonymously is okay. Impersonating other people's SIGNED comments is not okay. On most blogs that will get the offender immediately banned for life!
Bye bye LOSER!
Thanks for exposing that hoaxing turd, anon 19:05! I counted at least three times that he impersonated the real JC and four times that he impersonated the real Ken Behrendt. We need to stay on our guard though and expose his fake comments as soon as possible which he probably will make more of if they are not quickly deleted. Hoaxers hate seeing their creations flushed quickly away. Don't worry, though, the real JC will soon get rid of his nonsense.
DeleteI considered deleting the supposed Ken, because this one purports to have a sense of humour which the real one doesn’t. And the apology ascribed to me isn’t me. I’m posting a new blog.
DeleteJC.
@Bye bye LOSER!
DeleteWhat an incredible handle name you have! You must actually be Ken, though, if you say the Ken above isn't you, otherwise you wouldn't be able to know if it was the real Ken or not.
@anon 19:48 no, he is actually JC, because how would he know what JC posted or didn't?
DeleteHey, everybody leave Ken alone. If he wants to make a different google account and return to this blog as a comedian, let him do so. We need a little humor around here!
DeleteLast night I woke up in a pool of sweat and I remember that in my dream my wife from my past life had caught me with the cover of my wheel removed! Sitting there staring in to its inner workings with the type of gaze lovers would share , I remember waking up on the floor with a burning red palm across my face and I saw her heels head out of the door! The very next day the maid looked at me with such evil in her eyes I could feel the devil's ice cold claws slip down my spine. So I had her turn a crank fitted in the wall to keep her eyes away from my secrets. This is the moment I woke up gasping deep for air and yelled out in the andromedian galaxy's native tongue that only I was fortunate enough to learn from the last time I visited "klaaaaak tahw ma booogedodooo" if you know what I mean.
Delete@to the real JC
ReplyDeleteI agree with both anons 19:05 and 19:42 above.
If you sit back and do not quickly delete this hoaxer's fake comments signed in your and Ken B's names, he will continue making them right into your next blog and start to impersonate other real commenters there as well. At some point you will realize that what he's doing isn't humorous. You need to take action now because if you don't, you will only be encouraging him to continue. He's hoping that is what you will do so he can really mess up your blog. I've seen his kind of nonsense on other blogs and it never ends well. Don't make the mistake of thinking he's really harmless. No, trolls impersonating real commenters on a blog can drive them away faster than a skunk does people at a garden party. Once they're all gone, the hoaxer will then disappear and all that will be left is your wrecked blog!
Aha! All the stooges have been fully infected with Ken Derangement Syndrome. The champions of free speech who consistently called upon JC to stop deleting comments have now had a full change of mind, and are now demanding he delete everything! LOL!
DeleteAnybody who thinks trolls aren't dangerous to a blog should read ahead to the last blog John made on 18 October 2022 where he implies that this recent troll was one of the reasons he decided to end his blog.
Delete@anon 14:44
DeleteThe only troll here is Ken and his stooges
Sell those books bitch!
ReplyDeleteJeff
There was a study done years ago that showed that most internet trolls were actually narcissists, psychopaths, and sadists in their real offline lives. As a result they experience of lot of rejection in the real world. That rejection fills them with anger that then causes them to try to get even by creating problems on the blogs and websites of strangers on the internet. That leads to even more rejection of them of course.
ReplyDeleteHopefully, the troll that showed up here can find a competent psychotherapist to give him the effective treatment he needs for the personality disorders that turned him into an annoying troll so he can stop getting nothing but rejection for the rest of his life.
@anon 23:03
DeleteLOL