I was getting ready to share more information but I have decided to hold back a bit longer until a sim has been successfully completed.
The reason for this decision lies in the total lack of any sensible critical response to what I’ve posted. My posts contain information which will lead to a successful working wheel and I’m confident that either myself or some other will succeed using the information I’ve supplied so far. The important information which I will share once the sim has been tested includes the prime mover without which the wheel would quickly come to a stop.
I know that my belief that Bessler’s wheel requires five, seven or nine mechanisms to work, is dismissed, but seeing as an even number of mechanisms has so far completely failed to lead to success, maybe it’s time someone looked at a mechanical arrangement combining an odd number of mechanisms in which two adjacent mechanisms work together to achieve what no other configuration has - other than Johann Bessler’s
I’m constantly amazed that despite the ubiquity of Bessler’s references to the number 5 and 55, including changing his name to accommodate the number, that the importance of this number is dismissed, ignored or just overlooked.
I shouldn’t have assumed that people would accept my interpretation of the clues without the full background. This allowed the clues I found and interpreted correctly to be dismissed, discounted and unproven. I was trying to save space and avoid long pages of texts and numerous illustrations, but as someone commented, it was wrong to think I should complete and publish a book explaining everything, as well as explaining it all in a blog - and if possible build a working model too.
Ken took the book route but failed to persuade anyone of the truth of his clues and interpretations; I don’t want to follow in his footsteps by producing a book with no evidence that it is correct, so a sim and a working wheel will follow as soon as possible.
I will just say this once more: when you see the explanation I’m certain you will understand immediately how and why it works - and why I’m so confident.
In the meantime I will continue to post this blog with a mixture of details of my progress, details of Bessler’s books and reminders of my clues which have the correct interpretations.
JC
You are correct. I have proven there must be a odd number of mechanisms.
ReplyDeleteNelle ruote piccole il numero di pesi era sicuramente 5 per ragione di spazio non dimentichiamo che i pesi erano pesanti e perciò anche le leve dovevano essere robuste, il numero pari di pesi impedisce alla ruota di girare perché con la loro oscillazione il peso nella metà inferiore della ruota verrebbe ad essere maggiore rispetto alla metà superiore della ruota, creando un effetto bilanciere del tipo che usa il funambolo che é un potente freno alla rotazione. Spero di essermi spiegato.
ReplyDeletePG wrote:
Delete“In the small wheels the number of weights was certainly 5 for reasons of space let's not forget that the weights were heavy and therefore also the levers had to be robust, the even number of weights prevents the wheel from turning because with their oscillation the weight in the lower half of the wheel would come to be greater than the upper half of the wheel, creating a balance effect of the type used by the tightrope walker which is a powerful brake on rotation. I hope I made myself clear.”
Thank you for your comment PG, quite clear. JC
Encouraging sign! John opening this blog up to anonymous comments again means that his latest hissy fit blog shutdown is finally coming to an end.
ReplyDeleteNow let's hope that we start to see past commenters returning to provide those comments again.
During the last week I must have read the last two blogs' posts over and over again several times. They contain some amazing ideas, but after a while I wanted to see some new stuff. I wish we could have a hundred posts on every blog and a new blog every week! Just like it used to be years ago around here.
DeleteYou mean troll heaven
ReplyDeleteYeah, things have not been the same ever since the mystery of the wheel was solved.
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ReplyDeleteI have some interesting news to share.
I have a friend who is an amateur inventor and periodically sends me drawings he makes of different ideas he has for inventions which he never actually builds or gets patented. He's an "on paper" kind of inventor. I've found most of his past ideas interesting, but unworkable for one reason or another. Recently he sent me a drawing for a pm wheel he designed that uses swinging weights to keep itself out of balance as it turns. The design looks very impressive at first glance and he must have put a lot of effort into it.
When he sent me the drawing, he said that he had found a machine shop that could build a small model of his pm machine for him, but they estimated the cost would be about $15,000 which he cannot afford and they wanted half of that in advance before they would start work on it. He wanted to know if I would consider investing in the construction of his design and was looking for me to invest $2,000 or more in the project. So far the few others he approached all immediately turned him down. I don't think he's a scammer, but is just delusional. This is the only pm machine design he's ever sent me.
I looked the design over and wrote back telling him that I wasn't interested. He replied that I must be crazy to be throwing away a chance to make millions maybe even billions of dollars! I tried to explain to him why I thought the machine wouldn't work, but it was a waste time because he either didn't understand my explanation or he didn't want to understand it.
I'd like to post an image of the drawing he sent me here to see what kind of feedback it produces, but I don't have his permission to do so. However, I am going to see if I can get his permission and if I do, then I will post it here.
His design is one I've never seen before, but it is definitely not the one Bessler used for reasons that will be obvious if I am allowed to post it here. He's heard of Bessler, but has no particular interest in him or his wheels. His design involves four spherical lead weights that spin around inside of a large ring shaped metal wheel and their synchronized motions keep their center of gravity on the wheel's descending side at all times. It is a one direction only wheel. I can think of several reasons why the design is unworkable, but I'm curious to see what others here might think of it.
jason
Please do try to talk him into letting you post a link here to a drawing of his pm wheel design. We clue starved sharks are getting hungry again and any design, even if it's not Bessler's, can feed us a little and, who knows, maybe his design has something in it that could be used to make Bessler's wheel?
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Your friend's pm wheel sounds very interesting and I'd love to see it. Also, he shouldn't worry about anyone stealing his invention from him if it is revealed here.
DeleteIn most countries of the world, the instant an inventor publicly discloses his invention, he can no longer patent it because it is then considered to be in the public domain. Fortunately, in the US the inventor has a grace period of one year after he makes public disclosure to file his patent application and only he can file that application. (That's for a utility type patent. For a design type patent the grace period is only six months.)
Whether or not the patent will be granted depends, of course, on whether or not the invention or one very similar to it was previously patented. Many an inventor, after submitting his application and paying his nonrefundable filing fee, learns to his shock that someone else patented nearly the same invention decades earlier as his patent application is rejected.
Always do a thorough past patent search before filing your application. Sometimes modifying your application a little can make the difference between having your patent granted or not.
@All
ReplyDeleteI have some good news. That inventor I mentioned has agreed to let me post a link to an image of his pm wheel design here. But, there are some conditions attached to that. I must post it only once and only for a few days and anyone who decides to view it must agree not to download or copy the image of the design or send the link of its image to anyone else.
He insists that those who view the design treat it like information that is classified as top secret and, after briefly discussing it only on this blog, just forget they ever saw it! Obviously, my friend wouldn't be insisting on something like that unless he was very convinced that he has invented something worth a fortune. I mentioned that grace period for filing a patent that anon 12:40 described to him, but he still does not want his design being widely known at this time.
Anyway, with his requirements having been stated, you can now view his pm wheel design here:
https://i.postimg.cc/SRLBQH87/nda-pm-wheel-design.jpg
I should mention that I transferred the original drawing he sent me to my MS Paint and darkened some parts of his design to make its construction clearer. I also added some letters to its various parts and describe them on the right side of the drawing.
The operation of his machine is actually very simple. As the overbalanced wheel rotates clockwise, its four large diameter cog wheel type gears will roll along and be turned as their teeth mesh with the teeth of the stationary ring held between the two posts. That motion will then, through the meshed bevel gears, be used to make the four lead spheres and the tubes they are attached to rotate about the four long metal rods whose opposite ends are attached to the ends of the large metal X inside of the wheel. That metal X attaches the wheel's outer metal ring to the wheel's central axle.
As the wheel and its axle complete each full rotation about the center of the axle, each of the lead spheres will complete a full rotation about the portion of the long metal rod that passes through its metal tube. The motions of the four lead spheres are synchronized in such a way that their center of gravity always stays at the location that I marked with the small black and white circle symbol which is similar to those seen in sim programs.
So, for those who viewed his design, what is your opinion of it? Runner or nonrunner and why?
jason
What a beautiful drawing. It looks like something out of a 19th century patent. He should definitely patent it. I think he's got a runner.
DeleteI did not want to comment on whether it would fail or not , but i will lend a few sentences on obvious observations.
DeleteThe weight needs to be lifted during 360 degrees of travel around the main axle, it might not look like the weight needs to lift from first glance , but if the weight is to rotate around to reach its required orientations at the indicated positions ABCD , it needs to lift upwards during the rotation while traveling from A to B , and the same from B to C , and the same from C to D , and the same from D to A .
The total lift distance for each weight would be the radius of the weight arms * 2.
Multiply the force requirement for the weight that needs to be lifted by 4 since there are 4 of them.
Multiply the inefficiency of one mechanism also by 4 .
The torque created by the displacement of 2 weights at C and E needs to be more than 4 times the required force to lift and rotate the 4 weights to the required orientations plus the loss due to friction and resistance.
****The torque created by the displacement of 2 weights at C and E needs to be more than 4 times the required force to lift and rotate 1 weight (because there are 4) to the required orientations , plus the loss due to friction and resistance.
DeleteIt appears to be the "classic" "width for height problem", with a lot of friction. To simplify it replace the rotating meshing cogs etc that rotate the spheres in 3 dimensions to maintain COM offset with a 2 dimensions cage track guide that the spheres roll in following a similar path. Much simpler to build and cheaper to experiment with, or sim.
DeleteIt is a unique design. I think it is what is known as a "Z axis" design because the wheel's weights actually swing out of the plane of the wheel and in directions that are either partially or wholly parallel to the Z axis direction. The Z axis is considered to be the center line of the axle of the wheel. I'm not sure if his wheel would be a runner or not. It needs to be simmed, but that would be probably be impossible using a simple 2d type sim program. This one calls for 3d simming.
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I'm surprised no one else ever came up with something like this before. Although it's unusual, I don't think it's a runner. Hmm...what to call it? How about the "Orbiting Sphere Weight Wheel"?
DeleteI had the idea for the exact SAME design back in early 1955!!!
DeleteI was in my shop working on another pm wheel at the time when suddenly the idea for Jason's friend's pm wheel occurred to me. I used to keep another little invention of mine, a small brain wave activated light bulb, screwed into my right ear that would light up if I got a bright idea for a new pm machine. The better the idea, the brighter it would glow.
I had taken a break to clean some wax out of my left ear with a screwdriver when, all of a sudden, the idea for that swinging weight wheel popped into my head. The bulb started glowing unusually bright and a friend who was with me at the time took a photo of it. Right after he snapped the photo, the bulb actually exploded! It took me a half hour to pick the glass pieces out of my ear!
I had actually started to build that wheel but was delayed because I had trouble getting the bevel gears and the huge ring gear for the four large cog wheels made. Then, as everyone knows, I was inconvenienced by having a fatal heart attack in late 1955! That's always a risk for the serious, overworked pm wheel builder unless he's lucky enough to get reincarnated like I did. But, I swear to God I had the idea for that wheel first! Here's the photo taken at the moment that the idea for the design occurred to me to prove my claim:
https://i.postimg.cc/KztcY8j4/bright-idea.jpg
Shemp
"I had taken a break to clean some wax out of my left ear with a screwdriver..."
DeleteOmg, Shemp...you crack me up every time. Lol!
Thanks, Jason. That new wheel design was a tasty treat for us hungry sharks. I don't think it has much to do with Bessler's wheels though since he wouldn't have used a complicate set of gears to make it run like Wagner did in his totally fake pm wheel. Bessler would have kept things much simpler. Just levers, ropes, springs, weights, and maybe a pulley or two.
DeleteStarved Shark
@jason
DeleteThere's a problem with that drawing you linked to. If the plane of the wheel is vertical, then it looks like there's nothing holding the wheel's four large cog wheels against the stationary ring. The wheel should then just fall away from the ring! I have to assume that this wouldn't happen because the ends of the wheel's center axle are actually firmly held by bearings in some vertical supports that aren't shown in the drawing because they are out of the plane of the wheel and the stationary ring. That arrangement with the axle stationary along the Z axis would then not allow the wheel to move away from the stationary ring but would still allow the wheel to rotate.
I thought the quoted price of $15,000 to build this was high, but now that I think about it, it seems like a fair price. The machine shop could probably order stock bevel gears from a parts supplier, but that large stationary ring's teeth would have to be custom cut and that would be expensive. I'm wondering if it would be cheaper and quicker to try fabricating this wheel out of wood instead of metal?
@All
DeleteThanks to everyone who took the time to view and express an opinion on my friend's pm wheel design. Please honor his request that you keep his design confidential.
I did some quick calculations on the arrangement of the weights in his wheel drawing and they show that the clockwise torque of the wheel caused by the offset center of gravity of the two lead spheres at 9:00 and 3:00, lettered A and C, is exactly equal to the counterclockwise torque caused by the pull of gravity on the two lead spheres at 12:00 and 6:00, lettered B and D. As a result for the wheel orientation shown in his drawing, there is zero net torque acting on the wheel and it will just sit motionless in that orientation
Also, if you turn his wheel into any other orientation, the situation does not change even though all four lead sphere weights will then be out of the plane of the wheel. The net torque on the wheel is always zero regardless of its orientation and it will remain motionless in any orientation it is put into. So, all my friend really did was come up with a design for a complicated flywheel containing four swinging weights! This is why I decided to hang onto my $2,000 instead of investing it to help fund the construction of his "pm" wheel. Hopefully, he did not manage to talk anyone else into funding it.
However, I do give him much credit for the work he must have done to design his wheel. He's good at drawing, but unfortunately not at building or simming.
jason
How about the "z-spiral path wheel". It could be simulated to rotate the spheres in the x,y planes quite easily in a 2D program - however it looks like the inventor believes the spiraling radius path in the z plane is the x-factor for it to be a runner.
ReplyDeleteOnly a build will determine if it is a runner or not, to satisfy the inventor.
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