When I began this blog I was aware that were recognised issues regarding negative comments and the consensus of opinion was that in the end most people simply delete those they don't wish to have on their blog. You only have to search google to see that it is common to all blogs.
When I describe them as 'negative' I don't mean comments which disagree, I welcome those as part of the normal to and fro discussions which can enliven debate and maybe throw some light onto a subject, no, I mean those which are downright nasty and abusive. I was determined at the start of this blog not to delete any comments no matter how much they might irritate and dismay me, but I am beginning to see that it is not just myself that is the target but other readers too.
I still don't want to delete any comments I don't like and it would be infinitely preferable if people just commented in the way they would if they were speaking face to face in the normal world outside this virtual one. The rules of etiquette which normally enable peopleto get on with friends and neighbours without causing offence or harm don't seem to apply here and yet I see no reason why they shouldn't.
Here's a link to an old comment on negative comments which sums up the problem:-http://www.dustindiaz.com/negative-comments/
So criticise, comment, praise, support or disagree, but keep it constructive please.
JC
Go ahead John ... there should be some administration on blog to keep it on the path.
ReplyDeleteI was always mystified, why someone is hiding owns
ReplyDeleteidentity.And since John pulled BESSLER From the grave, (another headache for me) it would be nice
to focus on Bessler's enigma.
I am continuously study Bessler's books and made some slow progress.Can't comment yet.
Bessler was smart ass-cheek.
John,good point up there.
ReplyDeleteThere are trolls everywhere..
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know the relevance of the apologia wheel to the PM wheel.
ReplyDeleteIts the driver
ReplyDeleteYou certainly built quite some expectation...
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ReplyDeleteI don't know where this seven months came from but I'm only going to say this one more time and then I'll delete any further references to it. I believe that the principle of parametric oscillation is the means to make Bessler's wheel work and I have known this as a fact, or so I believe, for a couple of years, and I have tested several mechanisms and if the latest one is not the right one, I think it is very close to being right. I have said many times that I understand the mechanism behind the wheel i.e. what it is supposed to be able to do, but I have not managed to make one that fulfills those requirements. OK?
ReplyDeleteJC
http://www.dustindiaz.com/negative-comments/
ReplyDeletePlease explain how this apologia driver works.
ReplyDeleteTrevor, have you had a look at my web site www.theorffyreuscode.com? It explains what the apologia wheel means, along with my interpetations of a number of other clues.
ReplyDeleteJC
Thanks John, I'm just fishing because I think it is actaully conveying a message not in form but in principle.
ReplyDeleteWhen are we really going to see the bessler wheel again?
ReplyDeleteLet us share some more clues..can anyone figure out what bessler exactly meant by referring to the three planets, like jupiter, etc.,? I had read about this somewhere..
Some say that he meant to depict with this the arrangement of a inverted pendulum. Imagine the then known planets lined up from south to east in the vertical plane. Considering the sun as the celestial body the farthest away, at the bottom (or south), as the axle of the pendulum, the next planet at considerable distance would be Mercury, Venus, the Moon, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and finally Saturn at the top, or east. If all planets are lined up as described, one could imagine the arrangement of the planets in the solar system as a inverted pendulum. Mars, Jupiter and Saturn could be the weight at the top of the pendulum. Bessler said "they are willing to war".
ReplyDeleteTrevor,
ReplyDeleteYou are on the right track. Come on John, wake up (no offense), there is no hidden pentagram in the Apologia wheel! You're wrong interpreting 5 mechanisms, in fact the wheel even works with a single crossbar! Any serious organ maker will tell you what that wheel is showing you! And Suresh, those planets... you're so close! Two of them are also shown in the AP wheel (and that's a big clue), and the other planet is the wheel's framework. It's simple, and when all clues fit in place you end up with a real working wheel, but I wouldn't call it perpetual. Considering Bessler's times, I would not call it a fraud either, just incorrect use of words and poetry.
I'm amazed that you can dismiss such strong evidence that the Apologia wheel contains two references to a pentagram, Trevor. I wonder what it would tale to convince you?
ReplyDeleteBut I will grant you that it doesn't necessarily mean that there were five mechanisms, but if not, then I can't see why it done. It cannot have been meant to point to Chapter 55 because the same principle of hiding the number fives goes back to before he wrote the Apologia. It is just conceivable that he intended chapter 55 to be the home for his list of Bible references but unlikely - why 55 why not 10 or 20 or any other number. What was so important about 5 and 5?
So tell me what any serious organ maker meant by the Apologia wheel! I am open minded about it but currently find my own theory fits best, but I'm open to persuasion.
JC
Andre sir...your knowledge is very deep..there are very few dedicated ones like you..
ReplyDeleteSomehow, I also very strongly feel that five mechanism theory is not correct. Every revolution involved 8 hitting sounds. It clearly indicates eight weights. Which further hints that there could be 8 levers or mechanisms. Most of the 144 diagrams depict levers with a single weight..
The wheel's main secret actually is in the clever lever-weight assembly and its artful arrangement..and from a distance it all should appear as grand as a peacock's tail..
OK John, let me explain. The apologia wheel I recogognised after much thought,as a mechanism used in different forms as a centrifugal governor. Notice how the three perfectly balanced segments fit into each other at zero revs. As it revolves they are thrown outwards against the walls to break or govern the speed. Now,....this was just a model with a principle. It is not used in the wheel in that form . Underneath were the words,.."Do you still not understand"?. What he is really saying is, DON'T FORGET CENTRIFUGAL FORCE, the last option!. This is the only unpolarised force that can be used that will not cause the wheel to Keel. How you do it is for you to work out. If I hand it to you guys on a plate, what glory is in that for you.?
ReplyDeleteI would like to tell somethin to all of you.
ReplyDeleteI learned my own way to not correct somebody that his theory is worse than mine becouse none of mine worked so far. Thats exactly the case here, be constructive help eacch other but saying .."hey am sure you are wrong becouse ME myself found that clues bla bla bla" ... If you have a working model be my quest and please teach us a lesson on this topic... but if you dont have it just a theory which have 99 PERCENT for failure.
Nobody here have the right to dismis others clues explanation becouse you are probably wrong as many others. Be open to big chance that your theory is not the right one soo you can accept construcive hints and criticism.
I myself find John solution not really what I hoped for ...but have to say soemthing is poking into my eye that this one is not ordinary and I do think something got nailed here. But am not sure it was aproached the right way.
PS: John have great insight into bessler soo you should have really something big to oppose what john is saying. If I spent that much years and soembody would tell me am all wrong becouse you thought about it 1 day and found "solution" I would be really just smiling. Not saying it could not happen but i see this sooooo many times here.
Martin
OK John , now I have them defending you, thats a start!. Think about what I have said and soon it will come to you like a shower.
ReplyDeleteI have been thinking about this wheel since I was 10 yrs. old ,I am now 69. I think that qualifies me to add some constructive feedback. It is far better than critisising each other. I would like to add that I can guarantee I will have a working wheel soon because once you know the principle all that you have left is the mechanical build which can be accomplished in various ways, if GOD spares me of course.
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ReplyDeleteJohn, I think this is the time if you wanted to delete some annoying noise.
ReplyDeleteYes I must bite the bullet LIB!
ReplyDeleteBut I can only delete the whole comment, guys, and if I delete one comment I shall have to delete any others which are responding in like tone, which might, unforunately, have interesting parts to them.
This may cause some odd gaps in the flow of debate so be warned.
Perhaps I'll try out out first and see what it is like.
JC
Sorry, I thought this blog was was a team effort for the contribution of clues.I have just given you one of the most dynamic clues and you've missed it.I fear that even if I give you a working wheel you won't believe it because you feel it's John's right.Did not john say anyone can be the winner?
ReplyDeleteJohn please don't delete anybody. This blog would be very boring if all we did was pander to each other's hangups.
ReplyDeleteTrevor, sure: rods, sliders and springs. Easy. The faster the wheel turns the further out the weights slide to slow it down. As they slide out the springs compress.
ReplyDeleteThis will however only slow down the acceleration. The maximum speed will still not be limited by this method.
Trevor, I think I speak for many but we are all tired of promises; hints; "I have the answer" proclamations and so on. I think this Bessler saga will never end and I am close to closing the book on this whole perpetual let down. So if there is hope, sooner than later would be appreciated.
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ReplyDeleteYes, but at least we can commend him for trying.
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be little or no contribution by anyone else.You are all so secretive about progress.Progress reports stimulate insentive and ultimately the brain's creative thought. So lets have some input!
John, may I suggest you start with yet another piece of verbal diarrhea by our beloved anon, 10:37.
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ReplyDeleteI've deleted the anon posts which just reiterate the same old abusive garbage. I didn't want to delete anything and I shall think twice about deleting anything else because I like the feisty nature of some of the reactions but please don't test my patience by repeating the same complaint ad nauseam.
ReplyDeleteJC
Awhhh what a breath of fresh air to have only constructive posts to read!!
ReplyDeleteThanks John.
My progress report is that I have the centrifugal driver, or the prime mover sorted. All I have to do now is interface it with the setting gravity driven weights and I should have a working wheel,no dates, no promises.
ReplyDeleteMe too. I'm back at work on the workbench because despite the common-sense approach of using simulation software I still prefer to build with my hands. Ever optimistic - that's me!
ReplyDeleteJC
Bessler must have been a optimist and genius as well - he had no computers, or even reliable reference tables for his calculations. Just wood, some pig iron, bronze, perhaps some low-grade steel, plus some primitive manual tools. At some point he must have had the patience of a saint. I suspect that the anons of his day - the omnipresent critics - who, even confronted with a working machine, robbed him of his last reserves in terms of patience.
ReplyDeleteGood to see you still working on wheel John ;)
ReplyDeleteAlso good to see you Trevor that you are willing to back up your words with reall device, thats the way this should be done.
I am too plaing with one idea lately, but so far i wasnt able to think of any construction how it could be made... soo still thinking.
John about that pumpin element, I know you did wrote whole website about it and i think this idea is one of those fresh one which you just cant dismis like soo .. What am really missing and maybe few others is that pumpin action looks to me is for cost of other weight to go down. Soo even you get extra kick by lower wieght you get to lift that one weight wich got lower. I do like the idea but am not sure of construction that much. Well i have to get back to your site again:)
Martin
PS: Good job deleting useless non practical spam ;)
John, I believe you need to look at the wheel differently. More like a finely tuned instrument. Like a guitar where you are plucking the chords.
ReplyDeleteThe prime mover levers may need to be slightly flexible rods. The secondary (peripheral) weights need to tap the long levers at the base slightly ahead of their natural oscillation, such that a resonance in the system occurs.
As the wheel speeds up, the fundamental frequency of the long lever movements change. And the tapping of the levers change too since the two lever structures are levered to each other.
The tapping/clattering noise witnesses heard was likely the peripheral shorter levers tapping the long ones. That is why the shorter levers need to speedily swing up. To tap the base of the longer arms at just the right time.
This should be music to your ears!
Damian
When JB said you need to harness the horse in front, he probably meant you need to tap the long levers slightly AHEAD of their movement.
ReplyDeleteJC, I believe that the long levers are the prime movers.
OK, sorry, one more. Then I go back to sleep!
ReplyDeleteJB said "nothing can be achieved through heavy blows".
Here we use LIGHT blows or strikes.
Enough!
Yes ,it does have a resonance.This is why it could only go one speed.If it was alowed to go faster it would limit itself. The exterior pendulums were there for this reason to limit the speed when it had no load.
ReplyDeleteDon't believe it ...They were heavy blows!
ReplyDeleteTrevor. I have built a pendulum linkage (one) such as those Bessler had in his diagrams. As such they cannot work the way they are connected. You need to exert a lot of force as you turn the wheel to raise the pendulums. They act as a massive brake.
ReplyDeleteAnd remember none of Bessler's wheels were witnessed with pendulums attached.
It has been speculated by some that indeed a combination of resonance (vibration) and even acoustics (deformation) were applied in the wheel. It has been said that the resonance (vibration) was used to vibrate the axle. Unlike fixed, strong, rigid axles, such as any modern engineer would design it, were not employed by JB - but instead a thin, somewhat flexible axle running over crude bearings causing even more vibration and movement. The idea is that the axle deliberately vibrates and therefore constantly changes (somewhat) the center of rotation, making the attached (inverted) pendulum(s) fall faster, effecting more potential kinetic energy. When braked this would result in more torque, and at the same time act as a speed governor. This effect is nowadays well-known and used in (electronic) inverted pendulum control experiments.
ReplyDeleteSome have also pointed out that in the drawings the thickness of the wheel at the top is less than at the bottom. Indeed this can be clearly seen. The reason for this, so it is speculated, would be that JB uses the banging noises ("an anvil receives blows" JB remarked about that) to acoustically deform the shape of the wheel somewhat, or at least vibrate it, which would cause an inner wheel, or braking pad, at certain intervals, to act as a torque storage mechanism for the inverted pendulum(s). This would also suggest that the canvas covering of the mechanism was a component, not mere shielding. The braking would result in transfer and storing their torque. Subsequently the pendulums are repositioned by the turning of the main wheel under its momentum and release of the stored torque from the inner wheel c.q. braking pad/mechanism, and then released again to start a new free fall and the cycle repeats.
Interesting thoughts Andre.
ReplyDeleteNow "my" idea above could be expanded even further. I know it is easy to match Bessler's clues with many designs. But it wouldn't even surprise me if the rods (such as those long levers JC has) were somewhat flexible, and that they ENTERED the axle. JB says his axle has many (groped) holes.
Also to remove a weight somewhere along each rod, one would need to bend the rod like a bow to replace the weight and then it could "snap" back into the axle slot such as eye witnesses heard JB do.
The height of the weight would be adjustable along the rod such that each cylindrical weight would be pierced longways (to act as a slider) and also have a screw hole along it's length (mid way) for locking in place. Hence pierced in the middle.
The comment about the meltability of the spheres JB talks about could relate to the fact that all things have a point at which they resonate, and the analogy is that most solids have a temperature at which they finally melt.
Now don't worry JC, I'm not getting too excited about this, but I just want to throw it out there for other bright minds to think about again, but with your mechanism in mind.
Damian
Comrades...The wheel design is too simple. I don't think any flexibility of levers is involved nor any such thing as resonance. No metal temperature factor either. A lever is a two piece system as JC sir has explained. They are rigid pieces and if they were flexible as thought of they would break or get damaged when in motion due to the weight of the weights and other factors.
ReplyDeleteSprings were probably used to hasten the swing of the levers. Banging effects of the weights were also probably not used for anything. The clattering or metal noises are actually made by the weights when they are hauled up in a special way.
Are we again complicating the wheel design by talking of all the above like oscillations, vibrations of the axle, etc.,?
Suresh, I understand your concern, we're just freewheeling (pun intended) here. But I do doubt that it was really very simple. It might have appeared very simple to the untrained eye, but I think it was quite more subtle. We also have to keep in mind the state of technology at the time. Smooth, low-friction bearings for example were several decades if not centuries away. What they found among his possessions were crude bronze balls, presumably used as bearings (actually not a bad choice in terms of material). I do think John has cracked it, at least to the extent that the parametric oscillation properties have been used to "pump the swing". That solves a lot and matches several (documented) mechanical properties of the system. But we are just speculating what else JB might have used, not trying to complicate things... it's difficult enough as it is :)
ReplyDeleteDrWhat: sliding the weights over the rods is indeed a interesting way as well, and indeed the weights were pierced longways if I am not mistaken. Springs were also used, JB remarked, perhaps even to reposition them? A strong spring may reposition a weight very quickly up or down. The slotted axle is another thing. Imagine that the rods would pierce the axle a few inches and that weights are closer to the axle after falling to, say, the 3, 4 or 5 o'clock position. If the slot was elongated on both ends of the axle and open, and the shorter piercing end struck by something heavy after the rod plus weight falls, the rod would fly back upward again, presumably locked in place temporarily, and ready to fall again at the right time by removing the locking pin/mechanism by some mechanical timing device.
ReplyDeleteIf one would arrange a "forest" of rods in the axle from the 12 o'clock position like that, it would also resemble the tail of a peacock somewhat.
Let me explain it in a different way, Andre sir..
ReplyDeleteIf Tarzan swings from one tree to an adjacent tree..is there any oscillation or any pumping action involved there..
He just has to step down from the branch he is perching and the rest is automatic..
Pls..correct me if I am wrong again..
Suresh, that is completely right. But suppose that Tarzan wants to extend the natural arc of the swing. What would he do? He would jump off this branch, perching, grab the rope, and then stretch, thereby "pumping" the swing (lengthening the pendulum) and extending the arc.
ReplyDeleteOr. vice versa... if he wants to hasten the swing, shortening the arc, he would not perch on his branch and grab the rope somewhere in the middle, the loose end swinging below him. This would shorten the arc and at the same time speed up the movement.
Andre sir, tell me why would tarzan want to extend the natural arc of the swing...
ReplyDeleteAs far as I could make out, the first weight which is hanging above the axle from 12 'o' clock is in such an arrangement that it would by itself have to swing and land at 3 'o'clock quite naturally...and this is automatically followed up by the 2nd weight..
No stepping down or any pumping action is involved here, in the first place...the arrangement is such...
When the first weight swings the second follows and so on..
hope you are getting what i mean..
Remember bessler's first wheel...it would start automatically without requiring any push..
Suresh,
ReplyDeletenice to have a discussion going.
The wheel as I described would in fact look very simple. Just oscillating weights on rods and small hammers tapping each of them.
Note the toys page shows hammers tapping/hitting a primary weighted structure.
John's design looks valid, just the mechanism of action might be different.
Damian
In other words, if tarzan is at branch A (above axle) and his rope is hanging from point B, which is not exactly overhead at 12 o clock but at 1 o clock, would he have to pump, stretch etc., to reach the 3 o clock point?
ReplyDeleteI am very sure the swing would be automatic...
And if the pumping is still necessary, as per your explanation, it can be aided by a spring which is attached to the lever(to hasten it).
Kindly, think over deeply what I am trying to state...
I agree Dr.What..
ReplyDeleteThe wheel mechanism is very simple..it just involves swinging weights and when they hit the wheel inner we can call it as hammer striking or tapping..or simply the banging effect, as referred by Andre sir,
I'm sure Tarzan would love kiiking.
ReplyDeleteForgive my ignorance chaps but, in all of Grundlicher Bericht, The Apologia Poetica and Das Triumpherende, I cannot recall JB ever alluding to the use of springs in his wheel. Could someone please enlighted me?
I have employed springs before in numerous of my previous wheel builds and it would be nice to know that JB did too.
Nice to see more constuctive dialogue on the blog, you guys rock.
Zhyyra
JB was accused for employing springs in his wheel and fooling the public..JB had reacted by saying that springs were indeed used but not as the detractors had suggested..
ReplyDeleteWe can find this in the simple clues stated by bessler...just google bessler clues to wheel or something like it...
Suresh, I completely agree with your point of view ("why would Tarzan want to extend the arc of the swing"), but the reason I think the oscillatory ("pumping") effect might be quite important is power - more torque. If the motion of the wheel would be reliant on overbalancing alone, the power available would be quite low, and acceleration would be dismal - perhaps barely enough to overcome friction and air resistance. Don't forget that Bessler himself said that overbalancing alone, so he "learned the hard way" himself, doesn't do the trick (sufficiently). Surely it will move the wheel (just like a fulcrum would drop) but the power (torque) would be too low. See also point 7 in John's analysis of similarities between his design and Besslers clues. In John's design, overbalancing is not the only prime mover, it's parametric oscillation, which has the potential of adding enormously to the power (torque) available.
ReplyDeleteAs Bessler said, anything you do with passive weights on the wheel will only slow it down.He said "greed is an evil root" which means if you try to get too much out of a single operation ,it will come to a stop at the root.
ReplyDeleteWhat made all the differance was the special principle which he discovered. Remember the lively children.
In hindsight all the verbal clues Bessler gave, including his poem, are everything you need to make a working wheel.
ReplyDeleteCome on guys! Think out the box.
So you say Suresh! What does JB say? You don't answer my question.
ReplyDeletePublication and page number please. Where did JB react to the question of weights in such a manner?
I am aware that what you said "... but not as detractors had suggested" was one of the supposed clues at John's free-energy.co.uk website but, don't tell me what John said tell me what JB said.
Can anyone enlighted me?
Zhyyra
Zhyrra, it might not be in the publications you mentioned, but perhaps in the correspondence of prof. 's Gravensande or Leibnitz and one of their aides/observers. Indeed this quote comes from John's documentation; perhaps John can shed some light for you on this one?
ReplyDeleteOops, it should be Zhyyra. Sorry for misspelling your name.
ReplyDeleteNo prob Andre :-) Thanks for your reply.
ReplyDeleteZhyyra
"nice to have a discussion going."
ReplyDelete"Nice to see more constuctive dialogue on the blog, you guys rock."
But remember, no dissent is allowed...
If you would take the effort of reading carefully, Anon 19:03, you would see that there's plenty of differentiation in opinion here. But there is, we feel, a difference between civil discussion and calling each other names. There's nothing wrong with having a different opinion. You are welcome to participate in a meaningful way. If you are not interested in that, that's fine, but then don't comment.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with dissent, but what those whose comments I deleted were doing was repetitively abusing not just myself but other readers who commented on this blog.
ReplyDeleteIt's just good manners to respect other people and their opinions. If you don't have respect for them how can you earn respect from others?
This blog allows debate, so debate; but quit the sarcasm and name calling.
JC
Anon just exposed the extent of his intellectual capacity. How surprising.
ReplyDeleteAndre sir, You are right...Torque and power are important..
ReplyDeleteIf we can at least invent an overbalancing wheel (without torque/power) we would still be much nearer to the real thing..
When a heavy wheel rotates and picks up speed, power/torque is bound to follow due to inertia/centrifugal forces..
Zhyyra...I am really not sure about bessler using springs but we can surely use springs on levers to speed up the swing of the weights...
Trevor...You are absolutely right in saying that all the verbal clues Bessler gave, including his poem, are all we need to make a working wheel...sometimes, you know, you are damn right...
All the above only goes to prove that the wheel design is very simple..it's just that no one has thought of it before as explained by Karl..Karl was no man's fool..he was allowed to glance inside only after much consideration...and definitely he would have eyed as much as possible to ensure that he was facing the reality...
I read JC sir's publishings, I observed everything in besslerwheel forum, and also went through all the postings in this blog, but, believe me there is no (enough) hint of the actual inner secret of bessler wheel anywhere so far yet...I mean the core design...
Really, no one seems to have thought of it so far after bessler...it is an unique design, it's the only design of its kind, it cannot be found anywhere else, but it can be easily achieved if we firmly believe in its simplicity, in its grandeur...
JB definitely did use springs but not to wind up the wheel like a clock as detractors had implied.The were used for oscillation of the pendulums.
ReplyDeleteNote, do not confuse the external pendulums with the internal ones.
I said it before, you cannot reason with monkeys.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, I didn't follow all of your posts, but resonance and action at a distance is an interesting concept.. However, I don't know how it could be magnified enough to be useful in transfering mass..
I think I should read the rest of your posts..
Of course I'm right Suresh because I have proved it with hands on experimental proof. In amongst the clues Bessler refers to the prime mover abstractely but not in name.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to go a bit off-topic..
ReplyDeleteHow about cymatics as peak and valeys mechanical systems?!
Let me explain ..
Cymatics as you probably know, are pattern effects of resonance on a metal plate, where standing waves create peak and valeys that form a geometric pattern.
http://www.thepodule.com/cymatics.html
I am supposing that the compression of these waves could be exploited and directed at a distance to move an object. But, what kind of power are we able to extract from these effects!? .. Is it usable!?
I was also wondering what kind of patterns would appear on a sphere like planet earth.. Since there must be constant vibration, there must be areas where we can detect peaks and valeys..
Anyways, I just bring a bit on food on the table.
Suresh, I think it would be very hard to implement a (working) wheel using only overbalancing, as I can't think of any mechanism that would sustain the motion without expending more (kinetic) energy than the wheel would have to offer without any "tricks". Surely springs can be useful, i.e. for storing torque, but compressing a spring requires energy too. The simplest mechanical device I can think of requires only one primary weight, but would require powerful leverage mechanisms (two of them) to raise and lower the primary weight. And would therefore probably fail without significant available torque. The simplest device of any kind I can think of would require also only one primary weight, but no leverage mechanisms - but this be electromechanical. It remains a mystery how to do this in a purely mechanical fashion.
ReplyDeleteYou are of course right that speed greatly enhances power, a turbine is a good example of that. Very high rpms, therefore much and smooth power delivery. But much weight alone doesn't help - something has to overcome the inertia of the whole thing. Weight only adds to more inertia that has to be overcome as well. That something is torque. Once all that weight is in motion, and actually accelerates, the momentum (and torque) would be enormous and keeps going up as speed increases. Therefore speeds equals power.
We have to come up with some kind of mechanism that maximizes the available torque handed to us for free in the form of the force of gravity. John's concept does just that. That's why it is so important, IMHO.
LIB: you are talking about the power of resonance. Normally not welcome in mechanical systems (every modern engineer would go out of his way to prevent it, since it can destroy things) but it can be indeed utilized, as some have speculated Bessler indeed, even in the form of resonance and deformation. Resonance is extremely important in electronics, for example, in tuned circuits. Tesla was the great inventor who came up with ways to tune coils and transmitter/receiver systems - action at a distance. Basically he invented radio decades before Marconi. He even succeeded (in 1901!) in lighting thousands of watts in incandescent lightbulbs at a distance of 40 miles or so without wires - a feat we can't even do these days. It is said that he used longitudinal (scalar) wave patterns instead of Hertzian waves. So yes, the effects of resonance are very powerful, also in mechanical systems. As for the sphere - these effects can be very interesting as well, especially when one synchronizes it to the natural resonance frequency of the Earth itself, about 7 Hertz. That way powerful amplification effects can be obtained. Tesla stated that the planet basically acts as a giant capacitor.
ReplyDeleteYes I am also familiar in the Tesla experiments..
ReplyDeleteSeems to me that all civilisation has taken the wrong path.. Using the earth as an energy sink instead of a conductor..
Anyways, since resonance is needed for action at a distance, and since a gravity wheel must direct it's imbalance on one side only, there must be a way to transfer mass using vibrations..
I am not wrong in saying that vibrations disrupt momentarily the mass of a system, it might not change mass as is, but it accelerates and decelerates the mass, thus creating massless moments, not unlike nodes in standing waves.
Some flying insects have hybrids wings that evolved in navigation systems.. These are halteres that vibrates and they create torque not unlike gyroscope, to indicate to the insect any external motive force trying to deviate it from it's path.. This proves that vibration has an effect on mass/inertia.. What is unclear, is the frequency effect on mass..
It creates patterns, it's nice, but how can it be used!? .. I can think of a few ways, but nothing relevant to the problem yet..
But if we had a wheel that directed virtually it's mass on only one side, it would be a success.. I always looked at virtual moving of mass on a wheel, and I had some wheels doing just that, but they were able to do it in asynchronously .. Thus, they came out of sync and weren't successfull runners..
LIB, this is very interesting indeed. Yes, you are right that there is a clear correlation between mass/gravity and vibrations. Actually, I recently saw proof of that in a experiment, using a liquid. Using sound waves it was, of course, easy to create resonance patterns in the liquid. This is not surprising. However, when more than one source of vibration (sound) was used, something odd happened, and there's no mainstream scientific explanation for it. But it does seem that gravity was locally (at resonance/nodal points) was affected. What happened was that bubbles (like droplets) would spontaneously form at those points, and would stay there - stationary but spinning very, very rapidly AT THAT POINT only. Mind you, this is against the forces of co- and adhesion, as well as gravity! As soon as one of the sound sources was switched off, the droplet would disintegrate and recombine with the liquid.
ReplyDeleteA very interesting experiment. The liquid used was ordinary coca-cola...
Andre, I never saw an cymatic experiment consisting of wave modulation! If you have a video, I would be grateful!
ReplyDeleteFor the time being, I'd say that we would need a prototype working using piezo element and a battery, to just have a rotating wheel rotating one-way, this would prove the idea..
Don't forget, btw, the "spinning top" (gyroscope) experiments of the famous British engineer Eric Laithwaite. Although ridiculed, he eventually proved before his death that gyroscopes have some very unusual properties, including some that seem to defy gravity. Gyroscopic effects may be another thing that could be useful.
ReplyDeleteI will find you the video, tomorrow... it's very late here (4 am!). Good night everybody :-)
ReplyDeleteJC: "This blog allows debate, so debate; but quit the sarcasm and name calling."
ReplyDeleteLustinBlack: "I said it before, you cannot reason with monkeys."
Hmm...
anon, still doesn't change the FACT that you are a monkey.. It's not name calling, it is just a FACT.. 8]
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