Saturday, 31 August 2019

Why I Believe in Johann Bessler Despite the Laws of Science?

I have been asked on numerous occasions, why do you continue to believe Johann Bessler’s claims to have built a Perpetual Motion machine despite what you have been taught about the subject?  My typical response has been to describe the overwhelming empirical evidence that proved, to my mind at least, that the inventor told the truth.  But this is only part of the picture; there must be an underlying reason that makes us continue, in the face of scientific argument, to seek Bessler’s solution, and to deny the loud accusations of fraud, delusion and naivety.

Could there be an unconscious psychological aspect to our  apparent obsession? Not anything psychologically defective, but rather I’m thinking of instinct and intuition and gut-feelings; in the unconscious assimilation of information which is processed by the brain and revealed to the conscious mind through a variety of ways.  Instinct is a genetic inheritance which can have a psychological ingredient that is generally thought to enhance our ability to cope with vital environmental contingencies, but it does not necessarily lead to any intellectual solution  which we might seek.  But we often say that we know instinctively that Bessler’s wheel was genuine.

Intuition is a person's capacity to obtain or have direct knowledge and/or immediate insight, without observation or reason. It's the "gut feeling" you get. People often place an enormous amount of faith on their intuition even making decisions that seem to go against all available evidence. I prefer the term ‘insight’. Insight is the capacity to gain an accurate and deep understanding of someone or something.  

The ecstatic feelings of triumph when you feel that you have made a discovery or sensed some progress in your search for a solution might be the carrot part of a carrot and stick approach, but I doubt if it is enough to overcome the depressing effect of years of utter failure.  So what is it that drives us onward with something we are told quite remorselessly is a waste of time and energy, not to mention financial resources? Obviously it can only be a gut feeling or intuition if we “know” we are right and the golden cup at the end of the rainbow is just out of sight, but available if we can only find the way.

Of course one needs to be an incurable optimist as well, because repeated failure can dull anyone's enthusiasm for a task.  So intuition, insight and optimism seems to be the key ingredients, plus a good analytical and open mind, able to consider any ideas, no matter how apparently wrong, and the determination not to give up.  Finally the ability to build to your design because without a working model you have nothing, as I have been reminded countless times.

So we who labour long and intensely in the search for the solution to Bessler's wheel know intuitively that those who would have us believe that we are wasting our time, are wrong, so very wrong that we simply cannot wait to prove it.  In this perpetual pursuit perseverance is paramount.

JC

52 comments:

  1. John Collins,

    What you say is true. It was self evident that Bessler's wheel worked; even to the most causal observer. Which gives us a big advantage for figuring it out, that Bessler didn't have.
    The only people who couldn't, or can't, accept it, are scientist and critics. In that regard nothing has change in 300 years. Yes, insight should do it, at least for me, I think the lights are starting to come on, (I hope).

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  2. The "Flat Earth" believers also trust their "gut feelings", "insights", and "know" that they are right. If tolerated by a listener, they will gladly relate all of the "evidence" that they claim "proves" their belief is valid. Any contradictory evidence is immediately dismissed by them as "flawed" or part of some conspiracy to "hide the truth". They have their own websites and blogs just like this one except the word "Earth" replaces the word "wheel". Their "researchers" delight in uploading the latest images and data that further "prove" they are all right and more aware of reality than the skeptics. Their sites all have their own clowns, historians, intellectuals, and trolls. They also chronically complain about their inability to wake more people up to the reality they "know" is true and look hopefully toward a future when all of humanity will finally realize that we actually live on a flat planet.

    Belief, no matter how sincere, does not necessarily equal reality. It is only the beginning of finding ultimate reality and nothing more.

    The Realist

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    1. When you temporarily ignore some laws of physics, then it's still a neat hobby to pursue. Who knows what you'll find out.
      The only weird habit that we often observe is that the barbecue has already been lit, while still wondering how to shoot dinner.
      Gut feeling tells us it should (shoot) be possible to get a full belly... maybe it helps to put some more coal on that fire, or prick randomly in the air or in the neighbor's foot.
      It happened to others too, is the excuse. Like with the Wright bros and Edison, where a duck got a heart attack mid air-and landed exactly on the fire.
      That gut-feeling is better known as hunger.
      "hmmm! Rabit."

      IOW. As the discovery of Perpetual Motion is apparently not easy it requires a systematic search approach in order to discover the most likely circumstances where PM might occur.
      For that we need to either ignore or confirm that circumstantial assumed conclusion that it can't be done and you should actually give up.
      Finding out, ignoring assumptions, and get evidence is actually what science is all about!
      But that option gets ignored because of the assumption: "science kills gut-feelings, not rabbits".
      How flat is that!
      M.

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  3. Realist I was just wondering do you believe in a higher being a Creator you know God

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    1. Gods? LOL! They were invented by ignorant prehistoric humans as a way of "explaining" where everything came from, why "good" things happened to some people while "bad" things happened to others, and also as a way, by using a fictitious afterlife, of denying the inevitability and finality of death which is a sad reality that depresses and scares the sh-t out of people and makes them prone to grasping at anything that can help "save" them from that reality. These, however, are all just fantasy "explanations" that delusional businessmen known as "priests" make a living, and quite comfortable one, off of peddling to the masses.

      Science now has a fairly good idea of where everything came from, that good and bad things happen to people largely due to good or bad luck which they have no control over, and that, once one dies, everything about that person such as their memories, personality, and skills just decays away with the rest of their body's cells and is gone forever. One does not have an "immortal soul" that floats off to spend eternity in either a wonderful Heaven or torturous Hell. All we really have is today and maybe tomorrow if we are lucky. One can waste his or her today chasing nonsense and delusions or can use it wisely to accumulate more wealth while enjoying all of the many wonderful things it can buy in the here and now. I choose to do the latter!

      The Realist

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    2. Realist so you believe all of existence can be defined by you because you are sane you certainly couldn't prove that by your behavior it was nice learning nothing from nobody may you have a nothing day

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  4. So are you saying, that you agree then that bessler's wheel is round? Sam

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  5. Its a simple 'odds game' for me, there are no certainties but I weigh the evidence/the credibility, study the 'story', read the (years...) of witings, the person, etc. I concluded my likely hood of real versus hoax , and I believe Besslers pm claims most likely true.
    Regards
    Jon

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  6. To @,

    I'm beginning to realize, that scientist and critics have a great deal in common. Namely; " The pretense of superior intellect shall always be maintained, at all cost". Especially to them selves.

    Sam Peppiatt

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  7. The first time you look into the eyes of your child..... there is no way that there can be a shred of doubt that there is a higher power that puts all of this in motion, it does not really matter what you believe..... it either is or it isn't and I really don't want to be around you when you finally find out what the truth really is but good luck to you

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  8. Sorry if my realist approach to life upsets any one. For the most deluded it is like throwing buckets of ice cold water onto them while they snooze away in their comfortable beds early in the morning. People really do not want to acknowledge it, but we basically live in a universe that, being mindless, could not care less about the life that evolved in it and which has only the most fragile of existences. Sadly, some reading this may be dead and buried by the end of this year although they do not know or expect it now. Why? Because "bad" things happen just as often to "good" people as they do to "bad" people. Being "religious" or otherwise superstitious will not protect one from "bad" things happening to him or his loved ones. There are no gods up there looking out for anybody. If you are lucky and have the best doctors money can buy, you might be able to change that second date on your tombstone a few times. But, eventually you won't be able to no matter how many doctors work on you. And that will be the end of you, your plans and dreams, and your relationships with everyone in your life forever.

    The Realist

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    1. I don’t mind your realist approach to life, but I trust that when/if you discover that Bessler’s wheel was genuine you will take an equally realist view of it. I’m in agreement with your religious (or non-religious) views although I usually keep them to myself, because I know how upset people get whether it’s religion or politics.

      JC

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    2. You seems to forget to mention the apparent placebo-effect of religion..Religion actually works, like sugar pills works, as long as you believe. I am a non religious realist too, but at the same time I am just as often an unbiased observer of the world and the people who live in it. Every major discovery through had to throw away the limitations of their teachings, as they are others, and they had to be both objective and work towards possible outcomes that no realist would ever encourage.

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    3. Good point Øystein, but you have to believe for it to work.

      JC

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    4. Collins wrote "...I trust that when/if you discover that Bessler’s wheel was genuine you will take an equally realist view of it."

      There are only two ways one of Bessler's wheels could have worked. Since it absolutely could not make energy out of nothing, it had to either be somehow tapping an external environmental form of energy or it had to be carrying a supply of energy inside of it. I think it was just a wound up, spring powered fake made by an amateur clockmaker for scam purposes. I discount the Weissenstein Castle "duration test" because that could be easily faked.

      The Realist

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    5. The Realist wrote "...it absolutely could not make energy out of nothing...it had to be carrying a supply of energy inside of it."

      That is exactly what Ken says in his Bessler book, but the energy inside of the drums was not stored as spring tension like you think. He says that it actually came from the masses and their associated energies of the weights and the wood levers that held them. This might sound impossible because the center of gravity of the individual weights and levers fell and rose through the same vertical distance with each drum rotation and, as we were all taught, that means no mass or energy can be lost by the weights and levers. But, he shows that, at any instant of drum rotation, the centers of gravity of the four weights and levers on the drum's ascending side were, on average, always rising a little slower than the centers of gravity of the four weights and levers were, on average, falling on the drum's descending side (this was due to the sudden reversal in swing direction of the levers on the ascending side of the drum). That means that, effectively, the collection of eight weights and levers were continually losing gravitational potential energy and the mass associated with it. That lost mass and energy, however, did not just disappear. It actually "flowed" out of the weights and levers through their pivot pins attached to the drum and was then evenly distributed to all of the moving parts of a wheel. That then resulted in the rotational energies of all of the parts of the wheel moving around the axle increasing as the wheel's speed increased. When the axle was driving some attached machine, mass and energy would actually flow out of the wheel through its axle and into the attached machine to make its moving parts start working and increasing their masses and energies. Obviously, if an attached machine required an input rate of energy that exceeded the maximum energy output rate that one of Bessler's wheels could provide, then the wheel would just slow to a stop. This would always happen if a wheel tried to directly lift a load that was too heavy.

      Because Bessler's wheels' weights and levers only had a finite amount of mass and energy in them, they could not output that mass and energy forever. They would eventually have to stop, but it might take tens of millions of years or even longer to do so assuming they had no critical part failures during that time. So, Bessler's wheels, if Ken is right, were not really "perpetual" in the absolute sense of the term. But, for all practical purposes they certainly were perpetual!

      Daniel H.

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    6. @DH
      That explanation involving energy and mass flowing out of the wheel's weights and levers makes a lot of sense. In the science of thermodynamics, heat energy and its mass equivalent can be imagined as a fluid that flows from a warmer to cooler object. If Ken's explanation is correct, then it means Bessler's wheels were not deliberate hoaxes. Yet, neither were they genuine perpetual motion wheels which would require them to be able to run for eternity while constantly performing outside work and thus violating the First Law of Thermodynamics. If this explanation is correct, then his wheels were never violating the laws of mechanics or physics. He just had a very unique design that worked. The question I have is did he find the only design that can work or are there other designs that can also work. If he found the only design that works, then it may not be possible to improve it to make it more powerful. Let's hope there are also other designs that work.

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    7. Another way to put this would be to say that gravitational potential energy and its associated mass was constantly flowing out of the descending side levers and weights through their pivot pins and into all parts of the wheel during rotation while, at the same time, rotational kinetic energy and its associated mass was constantly flowing out of all parts of the wheel, through their pivot pins, and into the ascending side levers and weights to increase their gravitational potential energy and mass. Bessler's design managed to keep these two flow rates from ever being equal. The flow leaving the descending side levers and weights was always a little larger than the flow entering the ascending side levers and weights. That small amount of flow that could not reenter the ascending side weights and levers then accumulated in all parts of the wheel and increased their rotational kinetic energy about the center of the axle and their mass. Bessler's wheels, as they turned, really just removed and redistributed energy and mass from the levers and their weights so they could be used elsewhere. However, the amount of mass being removed from any lever and its attached weight per wheel rotation had to be miniscule. Maybe just a fraction of a picogram! There are a lot of picograms in a single four pound weight and a wheel using just eight such weights would be able to run for a very long, but not infinite amount of time. But, what if each lever had more that a single weight attached to it? Even if it ran for an entire human lifetime, the decrease in the mass of a single weight from one of Bessler's wheels would have required a very sensitive weighing method to detect which did not exist back in the 18th century.

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    8. The Realist wrote "I discount the Weissenstein Castle "duration test" because that could be easily faked."

      How do you think that test was faked?

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    9. Lol! A sixth grader could figure out how the Weissenstein Castle "duration" test was faked. First of all, keep in mind that none of the dupes Bessler and his fellow scammer Karl roped into witnessing that test ever actually saw the wheel turning for more than about half an hour with their own eyes. As soon as they started the wheel, a big show was made inside the room by locking any windows and then outside of the room by locking the door, covering the lock with hot wax, pressing everyone's seal into it, and posting guards. This was all just a distraction to convince the dupes that no one could possibly enter the room and interfer with the wheel.

      But, having grown up in that castle, Karl knew where all of the secret passages were located (these were important for escape in case the peasants, tired of being sucked dry by taxes to keep the rich living in luxury, decided to attack and grab back some of their stolen wealth!). After everything was locked up nice and tight, Bessler's simpleton brother then entered the room from a secret passage through a cleverly hidden door in a wall and stopped the wheel. He also would have wound up the springs that powered the wheel at that time. He was kept informed of the exact times any future inspections would take place so he could enter the room before the door was unsealed and start the wheel turning again. As soon as he heard the assembled crowd outside the door starting to make noise, he started the wheel and made sure he was gone before the door actually opened.

      Bessler hated a mathematician named Wagner because he explained exactly how Bessler, an amateur clockmaker, had faked his wheels. To prove his point, Wagner even made his own spring powered wheel that did everything that Bessler's wheels did. It could only run for a short time like maybe half an hour before needing to be wound up again so it could not pass a duration test unless an accomplice kept it wound up and stopped it while no one was looking which is exactly what happened during the Weissenstein duration test that has suckered generations for the last three centuries into believing this Bessler nonsense and, even worse, wasting their time and money trying to duplicate one of Bessler's "perpetual motion" wheels. The reality is that they already have been duplicated and shown to be a complete hoax!

      The Realist

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    10. @The Realist
      I agree that the Weissenstein Castle duration test could have been faked as you say. But it assumes that Bessler and Karl were two of the biggest crooks in history. From reading about them, I can't believe that was the case. Bessler was a hardworking guy who was very devout and collected money for the various churches in the towns he lived in to help the poor. Karl was trying to keep a giant cascade running so visitors to his castle could enjoy it. Guys like that are not the kind that rip people off. Bessler's wheels had to be genuine. I do think, however, it would have been nice if they had drilled a hole in the door so that people could look into the room every day during the test to verify that the wheel was constantly running. I wonder why that was not done.

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    11. Maybe they did not drill a hole in the door because that would have showed that the wheel was not running all the time and revealed the scam! Then again maybe the door was made of metal and it would have been too difficult to drill a hole in it?

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  9. By the way John, I have posted a little update on Bessler's "Kreuz" on BW. I hope you find it interesting. https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8171&highlight=

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  10. Being a Christian, (as Mr Bessler was), I do believe that a growing awareness of the truth can arise from the seed of faith. I believe in seek and ye shall find, I believe in ask and it shall be given and I believe in knock and the door shall be opened unto you.
    Yes all of which can be interpreted as the ingredients for intuition, perseverance and the like. So, yes, there can often be common ground in the thought process of atheist and creationist.
    And I do not in blind faith put religious doctrine over undisputed proven scientific fact, that is just plain folly.
    Where the atheist scientist may believe in a tiny cell (seed?) and then BANG! and behold, love and a rainbow, I can more relate to the songnic (no spelling error) resonance of an awesome Creator's spoken word, resonating throughout the vast expanse of the universe over the eons working into existence the universe as we have known it, do now know it, and will know it in the future. It is this spoken word of God that man shall live by, and not on bread alone.
    And it is with this spiritual insight (for God is a Spiritual being), that the element of revelation would permeate the quest of the christian seeker, and if he is diligent enough, he will be rewarded with the deeper knowledge of what treasures in the creation lie unseen by the eyes of man.
    Johann Bessler was (I believe) a man of similar persuasions.

    Nice post John.

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  11. The only discernible "purpose" for life, human and otherwise, is to, like an out of control, raging forest fire, just keep expanding its population sizes as much as its environments will permit. That comes down to grabbing as much wealth as possible and using it to have as much sex as possible, some of which will result in new life being created.

    Ask yourselves why you really want to build a perpetual motion machine. I think that once you get past that bs about stopping Climate Change and saving the world, the honest answer is so you can get famous, get rich, and have more and better sex! It's really amazing what being filthy rich can do for a guy's love and sex life. Suddenly gorgeous super models decades younger than he will find him irresistable and make it known to him that they are "available". The same guy when finanically broke wouldn't get a second look from one of them! I think most of you really aren't much different than me. You are all just pinning your hopes on building a physically impossible machine to get the same thing I want. The sooner you wake up to the unpleasant realities of the universe and the real "purpose" for human life, the better off you will be and the more likely you will be to achieve what you really want which is mountains of cash surrounded by beautiful oversexed younger women who are hopelessly in love with only you. Lol!

    The Realist

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    1. So you say that a perpetual motionist will stop searching for the secret of Bessler's wheel as soon as he gets rich? Yet humorous, I think you are wrong about the motivation, speaking for myself anyway. I would have just more time and money to work on the project. You also say that "my" woman is too old, not as sexy as a porn star and don't give me crazy hot sex as often as I want.. All I can say is that most of your post is dead wrong..lol

      Best ØR

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    2. Realist - Your comment omits, in your life anyway, all thoughts of love, empathy, courage, trust, respect, responsibility, etc, etc. I could list more, but you get the gist. I think you are playing the part of devils advocate and are not as harsh and avaricious as you appear to be.

      JC

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    3. Dear John Collins' Maybe you have to put up with this f'en prick but I don't, Sam Peppiatt

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    4. Yes you’re right Sam, maybe it’s time he left us to our unrealistic pursuits.

      JC

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    5. @The Realist
      I think your view of the universe is basically correct, but there's more to life than just avarice and lust which seem to be your favorites of the seven "deadly sins". Of course, you will insist that they are actually two and the only two "cardinal virtues" worth pursuing in life and many in today's world might agree with you. I do agree that most of humanity is delusional in one way or another and are unaware of it because that's what being delusional is all about. But, those delusions can give people much emotional comfort and hope that there actually is meaning, purpose, and value to their existences. Taking their delusions away from them by presenting them with ice cold objective reality is as cruel as taking pain relieving morphine away from a dying person in agony from some kind of cancer growing throughout his body. Many people need their delusions to keep them from becoming severely depressed or even committing suicide! They also need them to last as long as possible if they are the comforting type. Did you ever consider that someday, far in the future, YOU might discover that your present beliefs were merely delusions?! Yes, that could happen and result in you experiencing what is known as an "existential crisis". If that happens, you can be sure you will quickly construct a new set of delusions to replace them and give you the emotional comfort you need and also help your mind heal. But, no need to be ashamed of that. It's all part of being human.

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    6. I just want to solve the secret of the Bessler wheels so I can get really famous. I'm not particulary interested in getting rich or having sexy super models chase after me (of course, if that happens so much the better!). I'd love to know that a thousand years from now someone might be able to pick up a book or scan some huge planetary database and find my name mentioned there along with my photo and a picture of the solution I found. Such fame is something that only happens to maybe one in a million people. Those trying to make a working perpetual motion wheel today are all actually entered into the biggest lottery in the history of the human race and the price of the tickets is very high. Only a few will ever claim that lottery's jackpot.

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    7. "The Realist" is an especially ugly alter ego of KB's.

      He is slave to his grammatical upbringing, and can be told (as you do, John) from all others' writing. His attempts at disguising this are to deficient avail. In this way, actually he is defective of intelligence - smart but stupid at the same time. (I bet on the mercury for having produced the pathetic anomaly.)

      He is making mince-meat of your pages, John! Why DO you let this go on? (As if I did not know.)

      My argument for deep-sixing these suckers: if secret anons have thoughts good enough to present to a reading public's notice, then why cannot they make these and themselves known honestly, rather than putting the burden of this utterly unknown confoundment, onto we up-front posters?

      This is not rhetorical in any way. It is requiring of AN ANSWER!!!

      Tell us, please.

      As I wrote before, matters here are turning into Troll Hell.

      Just as The BWF was destroyed by the ruling, overbearing tyranny of the Greenies Clique, so-too wickedness has now gotten it's foothold fast here.

      (Noted too is the delightful fact of the retirement of at least one of those sadistic rogues. Though admittedly not as bad as most of Sadism's Coterie there, he was one of them.

      "We shall be JUDGED by the company we keep."

      Also, Mons. Avoirdupois de deux lettres seems to have run-out of steam for his poking and prodding pleasure. Two down, the rest to go!)

      "From nothing, nothing comes." - though theoretical physicist Michiu Kaku says in more words - 'not so fast'.

      James

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    8. @JM
      A few blogs back you were loudly proclaiming that "The Realist" was "definitely not KB". Maybe a few blogs from now you will again reverse your opinion. As for "The Realist", no one can accuse him of mincing words as he tells it like he sees it. If only he was a believer in the reality of Bessler's wheels. Maybe in time, when he and other extreme skeptics can finally see a working physical model, they will become believers. To be honest, right now all that exists are an ever growing supply of comments, diagrams, virtual models, builds in progress, finished nonrunners gathering dust, theories, and books. All of that will eventually be forgotten unless it leads to something real that actually works. I'd hate to see that prediction made by "Mr. Leopard Spots" as he departed here a few months ago come true which was that, ten years from now, if JC is still alive and keeping this blog up, nothing will have changed here or, by extension, on any other free energy type site or blog. The possibility of that happening fills me with dread. We need something real for a change and the sooner the better!

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    9. Anonymous of 5 September 2019 at 06:35 allows thus:

      "@JM / A few blogs back you were loudly proclaiming that "The Realist" was "definitely not KB"."

      It is so, as you assert but with the absolute riot of mind-numbing Anons posting now, it is impossible to tell who or what is actually posting anymore. Every one of them potentially, could be those of KB. Excepting for his grammatical tell-tales, there is no way to know. This exacts a terrible toll (payment) on those who post out-front and honest.

      One thing I do KNOW, is that if I ever host a site, I'll never, ever allow anonymous postings!!!

      With all the rest as you have written, I've no quarrel.

      Incrementally, searchers-after this goal grow more addled of mind and spirit and, if not imbued with true INFINITE patience, then proceed-on to at least a subtle madness on account. As given that lack, how could they not?? Really!

      (And, as speaking of it, not all are equipped with necessary capacity for any sustenance of "dread," this as well as various of other essentials for maintenance of actual balanced, human existence. In these days, as has been taught, all augurs toward maintenance and substance of normalcy bias. Well, I cannot and would not blame these, as we now live in what is an ever-progressing HORROR! Of course, it is all 'just coincidence', large effects having NO preceding small causes, even.)

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    10. Sorry - ". . . all augurs toward maintenance and substance [correction: sustenance] of normalcy bias. . . ."

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    11. Sounds like James is suffering from an acute case of KDS or "Ken Derangement Syndrome". This is a paranoid delusional disorder that makes one believe that every anonymous commenter here, even if he provides a username and repeatedly denies he is actually Ken, MUST be a Ken sock puppet. This is especially true in a KDS victim's mind if the commenter mentions Ken, his Bessler book, or his youtube wheel video that supposedly shows exactly how Bessler's wheels worked. There is only one treatment for KDS. The victim must rest in a cool, darkened room until the symptoms subside. Full recovery usually takes 24 to 48 hours and requires one to completely abstain from any online activities during that time.

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  12. For those who are religious or non-religious .. this book by Michael Cordy is thought provoking at the very least ! As are all his books which I have read. He has an excellent style of writing, backed up by prodigious scientific knowledge (including physics) and manages to bring together seamlessly the usually colliding worlds of realists and believers, which will give you a new appreciation for both. Don't let the title put you off - it's a clever and thought provoking plot well worth the read. It may provide answers or fill in some of the blanks for some. Bravo to him for tackling head on some of life's (and deaths) hard questions. Whilst keeping the mumbo jumbo and dogma on a short leash, imo.

    https://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Code-Michael-Cordy-ebook/dp/B004I8WLIE

    -fletcher

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    1. Thanks for the recommendation Fletch, just bought it!

      JC

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    2. Available for around five bucks "used" here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01HCA9H9K/ref=tmm_mmp_used_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=

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  13. RAF John, Have you been able to use M.T. 25 in your build as Mr. Bessler gives it such rare emphasis : " must study the diagram EXTENSIVELY"? Thanks

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    1. Not really RAF, although there are possibly one or two features in MT25 which one might argue are present in my design.

      JC

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  14. and 'a number of' Besslers capital A's were 'kreuz-ed' or storks billed in his drawings....
    regards
    Jon

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  15. This has to be real John. Karl was not a fool.

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  16. Here is one interesting idea of Finnish inventor Spede.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjRyDdc3TSE

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    1. All he has is MT1 and wearing a tuxedo isn't going to make it work.

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  17. With regard to the suggestion that I should require commenters to log in, to avoid too many anonymous posts, I have considered doing this many times, but in the end I prefer to keep things as they are. Having said that I see no reason why all posters shouldn’t append their name or pseudonym to the end of the post. Anonymity would thus be preserved if required, and responses to specific comments could be addressed accordingly. I have deleted two comments today for reasons expressed recently.

    JC

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    1. I guess that's about as good as we're going to get. The problem, of course, is that any Anon can speak at if any other, and that IS a problem. It is good to know, however, that some KB suspected posts are to be deleted by the estimable Editorship. At least there is that. Yes. (A monstrous tempest in an utterly insignificant tea pot.)

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