Sunday, 7 July 2019

Johann Bessler’s Need for Recognition.

Ever since I came to the conclusion that Johann Bessler’s wheel was genuine, I have tried to find the solution.  I used to lie awake at night, and imagine designing a solution and then building it in my spare time, out of balsa wood, lolly/popsicle sticks, glue, cardboard, sticky tape, marbles and meccano.  I graduated to wood and ali/steel etc, but I was never attracted to simulations because for me the actual building of the mechanism gave me ideas for alternative designs, and alterations that might help.  Nothing did though, but it didn’t put me off.

I tried to put myself in Bessler’s shoes; I reasoned that if he was genuine then it seemed extremely unlikely that he would not have had some fall back position, failsafe  or backstop, with which he could either prove that he had the solution before anyone else, or just to show his wheel was real....or do so after his death.

Bessler was careful about maintaining secrecy about how his wheel worked, dismantling it each time he moved house, and yet trying to prove that it was not a fake by demonstrating tests which might only be possible if his claims were true, in front of prominent citizens and rulers.  It is clear from his publications that he was desperate to gain acceptance from the world at large and those publications contain several hints and ambiguous pieces of advice which add support to the idea that everything anyone needed to know was hidden within those books.

In which case there must have been some system either published or waiting to be found (such as Maschinen Tractate) which would provide some or all of the proof required.  I looked for and found a wealth of clues, codes, and ambiguous hints at their existence.

I have posted many of the hints and suggestions at actual code, but none of it provides anything useful in seeking the solution, their sole purpose is to tell anyone who will listen that the information is out there and it is waiting for the right person to find it, decipher it and make a working wheel.

I say none of it is useful in finding the solution, but that is not entirely true.Some of the clues are very useful but cloaked in ambiguity. They provide additional informaton which as far as I am aware no one has so far decoded, apart from myself.

I'm considering placing a piece of coded information again on my blog, which contains information about one or two of those piecs of information along with their explanation, I just have to work out an indecipherable code!  The reason being, like Bessler, I want to be able to prove that I got the answer before someone else gets it and publishs it.  For that reason I understand Bessler's motivation in encoding so much information.

JC

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  1. "I'm considering placing a piece of coded information again on my blog, which contains information about one or two of those piecs of information along with their explanation, I just have to work out an indecipherable code!"

    Didn't you do something like that years ago? It was a long string of letters and numbers included in each new blog entry's signature that you claimed described Bessler's working principle and would prove you rediscovered it first. Then years later you had to embarrassingly admit that you forgot how to decipher it! Do you really need to go through that again?!

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    1. Yes it was embarrassing but I wasn’t serious, I see little point in repeating the mistake when I can share my knowledge at some point in the future. It was just an idea that amused me briefly.

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  2. John, I can explain exactly how Besslers wheel worked. I don't have to show you any video or any other forms of proof. Once I explain it, you will just go build it. But be warned, your gonna be quite agitated once you see it in your head. Why didn't I think of that? Text me to understand. What do you have to lose? Cheers, Robert Calloway

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    1. Hi Robert, I remember your name from several years ago on the BW forum. Thanks for your kind offer, but I already know so there is no need for you to explain it, no offence intended.

      JC

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    2. Actually, you should not accept advice or designs from any strangers at this point, John. If you do, in fact, have Bessler's design, then anyone you've communicated privately with about it prior to announcing it publicly could claim that he gave you part of the idea and it's therefore partially his! That gives him a chance to legally share the honor and potential profits which should rightfully be yours alone even if his input was negligible! Too risky. Avoid any private correspondence with strangers if you want to avoid that risk.

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  3. The difference John is that Bessler could prove his wheel and mechanics worked. If you complete your build and publish (with or without an actual working wheel) you can go a long way to proving you are correct too, probably applying the same mechanics as Bessler, or at the least having correctly identified his gravity PM principle. No need for imaginary bogey man counter-measures.

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  4. In that recent book on Bessler's wheels by Behrendt, he claims in the second chapter that he rediscovered the design Bessler used on Friday, April 13th, 2018 after finally narrowing it down to one of only two possible and only slightly different similar designs both of which are suggested by clues in DT (the design he finally selected as "the" correct one was that which produced the maximum start up torque). But, it took him from that date until the end of the year to complete his huge volume that describes the design in detail. There's really no "principle" involved with it as such. It's basically a simple overbalanced wheel design, but it requires weight carrying levers with a particular geometry and mass connected to springs and cords with particular values in order to work. These values must be changed, by increasing them, as the diameter of a wheel is increased and it uses heavier weights and levers within its drum. If all the parts are right, the design will keep the center of gravity of a one direction wheel's eight weights and levers on the descending side of the axle's center up to a certain maximum drum rotation speed. However, he admits that he has no physical model to confirm this, only simulations that he is adamant can be trusted. Anyway, assuming that the design he presents in his book will work when used to make a physical model, anyone who has found a design that is identical to his had better be able to prove it was discovered prior to 4/13/18 if he wants to get the historical credit for the rediscovery. Even so, Behrendt may still get the credit if he is the first to publish the design. His book's publication date is given as 2/7/19.

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    1. Although I’m curious to see Behrendt’s theory, I have not been persuaded to buy the book yet. This is because some of his statements about the principle don’t match up with my own findings which I obtained from Bessler’s clues. That is not to say that his design won’t work, maybe it will, I haven’t seen it, but it definitely does not agree with what I know of Bessler’s wheel. Perhaps I should buy his book, at least I can compare the two designs?

      JC

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    2. I went for the hard cover edition despite the extra cost and it's taken me several weeks to complete reading it. The design he gives in his book for a one direction Bessler wheel uses eight individual levers, but they don't look anything like the levers used in the MT wheels. Each lever has three arms of different lengths and is shaped like the letter "Y" with a pivot pin hole located where the fork of the letter begins. Furthermore, the levers are not flat, but are open frames formed from two "Y" shaped pieces that are securely held parallel to each other and several inches apart by a set of steel pins and wooden pieces. He's found multiple hidden clues in the two DT portraits that indicate this particular shape. It turns out that Bessler's "Connectedness Principle" refers to the way these levers are connected to each other and the drum by four different types of cords or, for larger wheels, ropes. These cords are arranged into five different layers or zones inside of the widths of the set of eight frame-like levers and also the drum. This setup prevents the cords from rubbing together and wearing out as a drum rotates. The end of each cord is connected by a small metal hook to a particular pin located between one a lever's three parallel pairs of arms and only allows the centers of the pins from two levers to separate from each other to a precise maximum distance. The result of this is that, as the drum turns through every 45 degrees of rotation, seven of the eight levers are in rotation about their own pivots, which are fixed to the drum's radial frame pieces, but at different rates and directions with respect to each other. The net effect of all of these different lever rotation rates, which he claims his computer simulations reliably verify, is that the center of gravity of all eight of the levers and their weights must remain on the descending side of a drum axle's center so as to produce a constant torque on the axle. On one level the design is very simple as Karl said, but on another level it requires rather precisely placed and sized parts. There is some forgiveness in the tolerances which will still allow a replica to run. He neatly summarizes the theoretically ideal values for a drum's internal parts in a large table in the last chapter of his book and all of them can be found in multiple clues hidden in the DT portraits. The table actually provides the values for the internal parts of all of Bessler's different size wheels including a giant "super wheel" which was contemplated, but never actually constructed. That super wheel, if it had been constructed, would have been able to produce 6,700 watts of power!

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    3. Thank you for sharing the information, I think it confirms my belief that Ken is describing a wheel which has no relation to Bessler’s. Although you have said the design is simple, it does read as quite complex. I suppose if I described my own version of how I believe Bessler's wheel worked, purely in words, it too might sound more complex than it is. There are other features which don’t match up with Bessler’s clues, so although I don’t write off Ken’s design, I don’t think it is Bessler’s.

      JC

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    4. Once again I repeat: if it is not "simple", it ain't Bessler's. One of the few second party (Landgrave Karl) witnessed attested facts, is that this MUST be so. Strung-together multiple complexities of levered madness, FAIL that test. Behrendt's proposed version seems of this ilk.

      Designers/conceivers of possible Bessler mechanisms quickly run-out of "simple," and default to The Outlands of imagining, that are of the promised-irrelevant. Sad but true.

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    5. It appears that John and Ken have two very different versions of the "simple" internal mechanics Bessler used in his wheels. Each will claim his version is "the" correct one and the other's version, while it may work, could not possibly be what Bessler used. Each can point to numerous clues in the Bessler literature, especially the drawings, that will support his version and claim the other's clues aren't really clues at all and are therefore invalid. I will be looking forward to seeing what the eventual, multiple, and independently made simulations of the two versions will reveal. Either neither will work, both will work, or only one of them will work. I think if only one works, that one will be accepted as the correct version by the majority of the public. Hopefully, this matter will be conclusively decided in the coming few years.

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    6. If you followed Ken via his Technoguy posts, you would know his wheel is not Bessler's. Additionally Ken attributes the spare wheel energy to some type of spin particle being created, and he also said the wheel would be too weak to do any work. Well we know Bessler's wheel could lift a basket of rocks/bricks so Ken is way off the mark. Move on.

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    7. Bessler's wheels could lift a box of bricks, but only after being allowed to build up speed for several minutes after which the rope from the box of bricks was suddenly attached to a bolt on the axle. If one attached the rope from the same box of bricks to a stationary wheel and tried to lift it by letting the wheel start up from a standstill, then the wheel would not be able to budge it. Ken was right if he said Bessler's wheels were "weak". They were. I don't recall him mentioning the creation of any kind of "spin particle". That nonsense sounds like something that Alden Park guy came up with?

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    8. Erratum for 9 July 2019 at 07:47

      Original text: "One of the few second party (Landgrave Karl) witnessed attested facts, is that this MUST be so."

      Not true and nonsensical!

      Corrected text: The only first-party witnessed and attested-to statement of fact e.g. ". . . carpenter's boy.", as attributed to Landgrave Karl (and thus seconding Bessler's equivalent), effectively indicates that this is more likely true than not; that the original mechanism was one "simple."

      (Contrary to universally-held popular opinion, I am not perfect! I just have no idea as to what happened there. My sincere apologies are offered to any that might have been mislead by the little faux pas of recent.)

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    9. Anonymous 9 July 2019 at 09:01 wrote:

      "It appears that John and Ken have two very different versions of the "simple" internal mechanics Bessler used in his wheels."

      That is obviously true, but Ken has a published design supported by working simulations. John has neither. Ken has provided something now that others can begin evaluating and working with. John needs to do some serious catching up, imo.

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    10. Looks like ken's book is his way of saying that he finally achieved the goal that he depicted in this colorful and somewhat bizarre drawing he made and uploaded to bwf back in 2006 although it took him almost another thirteen years to do so. Better late than never, ken! Let's hope he has something that will work.

      https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/files/sascension.jpg

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  5. check out this guy. he bessler pm whel chasr who decide to swtich over to use the sims insted of the hands made wheels. he had new sim that he was 100% sure had to work. he took sim to hisjob to work on during coffee break times. heres what happen when sim not run right way after he work on it weeks and weeks.

    https://i.gifer.com/origin/73/73c8fd3239e46280f40bbeb47f3846b3_w200.webp

    he lucky guy. boss man say he no be fired this time but he have to pay thousand dollars to company to buys new computr. that mony come out of future paycheks. he also had to gives promise not to do any pm wheel chasing at work. i think he learnd lesson.

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    1. Lol! We've all been close to doing that at one time or another.

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    2. Unable to download link mr lepard. Warned it may be malicious.

      JC

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    3. He took it from here.

      https://gifer.com/en/fyfQ

      It's clean of viruses and malware according to my Norton scan.

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    4. Thanks anon, although I don’t know why I bothered.

      JC

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    5. I've not doubt whatsoever that very many B-W seekers have given-in to that passionate desire, with later regretted destructive results. I am no exception to the naughty reality, but have thus far resisted the severe temptation.

      ("Past results are no guarantee of those of any future.")

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  6. Bessler said he was a mathematician. What kind of mathematics and geometry he really knew and used. He was familiar with many famous mathematicians. Would he have calculated his solution and even calculated the optimal solution in order to obtain the highest possible efficiency.

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    1. He was taught mathematics and geometry and did have a good grasp of areas, volumes and weights, I think he talked up his knowledge to provide a more believable impression of himself.

      I doubt that found it necessary to calculate the optimal solution any more than I would. His primary goal was to create an out of balance wheel and the refine its mechanisms.

      JC

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    2. If Bessler "calculated his solution" and optimized it before he physically constructed his first working wheel, then he actually did the early 18th century version of a computer simulation! However, instead of an electronic computer he used his own brain.

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    3. If Bessler "planned to visit a bar" and scouted for locations before ordering his first beer, then he actually did the early 18th century version of a city tour by bike.
      However, instead of a velocipede he used his own feet.

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  7. Recipe for a machine that leverages gravity for power

    levers weights ropes and a wheel or bored not omitting all the incidentals as they are fasteners Axel's bearings and something to mount it on.
    skills needed addition subtraction and Division ability to use common carpentry tools.
    Ability to think outside and inside the box.
    Ability to recognize b******* when you hear it.
    An understanding basic mechanics.
    Finally the understanding that greed corrupts everything!

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    1. You left out one: "Organ-craft."

      Bessler was adamant on the point of it's vital usefulness to him, in his pursuit of the "mobile."

      At The BWF there exists a fine thread (one of many showing by way of Search) that addresses this topic fulsomely. It was begun by one no less than Stewart. I highly recommend that it be visited and perused by any interested. Here is the link going to it: https://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1175&start=0

      As a former apprentice then journeyman organ builder myself, I can attest to the fact that there is much to it, so-much-so that I can say as well that a lack of familiarity with it constitutes a most serious impediment to any P-M success. By ones lacking knowledge of it, it is commonly easy to 'poo-poo' such an assertion but, one does-so at one's own dire peril, so I suggest.

      A word on organ building aka "Organ-craft." In Europe the learning of it is a process. Young, tender ones were/are taken in by the master, and made apprentices for SEVEN years. During this time he (never she's in the olden days as travel and various changing living conditions had to be endured) was taught all required to be of assistance to the master, by mostly the journeymen.

      This process was most often rigorous, as one journeyman was assigned to "test" any new tender-one brought in, this to determine if he had 'what it takes.' (As-in separating out the precious wheat from the common chafe.)

      Much of this was derisive and cruel, the others remaining necessarily neutral with a few being mildly sympathetic for purposes of solace and sanity of the tried apprentice but, it had to be done.

      Although American in the US, I myself endured this very thing for seven years at my company for which I worked. It was very trying, to say the least. I HATED my tormenting superior journeyman (a German, Wolfgang!, along with two others) and wanted to kill him and came near to doing-so several times! But . . . I survived, built my test instrument and - SURPRISE - after he and I became friends in a flash, just like 'that'!

      I had triumphed and knew things and acquired skills I'd never dreamed-of even existing.

      A word about masters and journeymen: die Deutscher journeymen have a saying: "Masters do not fall from Heaven!" (It is stated by them with much seriousness, and thus the exclamation point that I here have used.) This means that, very few journeymen are ever to achieve complete mastership leading to artistry, and out of mere "craft."

      Master organ-builders can DO ALL. For example, this including the casting of pipe-metal; designing and building pipes and orders (ranks) of them; designing laying-out and building wind-chests and decorous casework for all; plus consoles, tracker design and rigging, and all the rest as might be required for total completeness.

      In-short, such elevated individuals can conceive, design and build ALL of the the instrument from raw materials! Not to be "sniffed-at."

      Now I will tell you all as follows: there is A THING which performs three tasks, without which there CAN BE NO 'mobile'!

      Chew on that nut and dismiss it, as it might please you.

      .:.

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  8. John, how using a very hard to decode code protects Bessler's idea I don't get it. Well, let's say I worked hard and decoded it...what then? why should I tell to the world about Bessler? It doesn't make any sense.

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    1. The thought behind the piece of coded info was this; first I post a vital piece of information about Bessler’s wheel, encoded so that no one can know what it revealed. It is then in the public domain, albeit unreadable. Then if another person posts that same information, which they discovered independently, claiming that they discovered the info first, I could then provide the decoding info which could be used to decipher what I posted some time before. I was trying to demonstrate why Bessler was so obsessed with adding coded information in his books. If another person claimed to be the first, he could provide the decoding information which would prove that he was in fact first. This kind of thing was one of the reasons for the introduction of patenting.

      JC

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    2. I was merely suggesting that as this was something I had tested out a few years ago, I could understand why Bessler had obsessed about including coded information in his books.

      JC

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    3. Sorry but I think you have your music mixed up Led Zeppelin released Stairway to Heaven in 1971. Far Corporation did a cover of this song in a pink floyd style which in itself was released in 1985. Pink floyd has never released a version of this song.

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  9. here other sad story for all. this guy waste dcades to try to buidl the gera wheel like bessler. he spend all his monys, lose job, lose home, lose all. he finally get smart and gives up. but he still need some mony for cheap booz every day to nums pain of no succes so he turn his last whel into big riding high machne. now he rides around streets of his town all day and peoples give him some coins because they feels sorry for him or for to takes photos next ot machine. the mony enough to pay for cheap wine for day. he sleep off drunks in rusty old dumpstr at night. very very sad. this happen to many ex besler wheel chasers. sad. make me want to cry. but i happy i no lose all before i quits.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/UrhPjeS1mwEM/giphy.gif

    mr. lepard spots

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    1. Very interesting approach he had for that Gera wheel which he finally used to make the front wheel of his "big riding high machine". Looks like it was orignally supposed to be a set of three MT 7's wheels built into the same drum. The middle MT 7 wheel was meant to turn counterclockwise as its rolling ball weights descended in front of the axle and ascended behind the axle, but the outer two MT 7 wheels, normally meant to turn clockwise, were then forced to turn counterclockwise along with the middle MT 7 wheel. Maybe he thought the outer two MT 7 wheels would somehow assist the rise of the rolling ball weights on the middle MT 7 wheel's ascending side which was behind the axle? Has anybody else tried this approach? Looks unique like something Bessler would have tried! Thanks for posting it Mr. Lepard Spots!

      (Yes, everyone, I'm well aware that he's making up little comic scenarios to go along with the "loopy vids" he finds, but they certainly are interesting. This one has given me an idea to try in my own current build! Lol!)

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    2. Shouldn't you be in state care chewing on your own tongue?

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  10. John, I am searching bw.com for an answer, but maybe you can reply sooner if you have the answer. Do we know the exact happenings on how Bessler performed the basket of bricks/rocks exhibit? In question is whether the wheel was spinning and up to speed when the load was applied, or would the wheel self start with that load attached to the axle? This would provide some insight as to the wheel's strength. If applied after the wheel was spinning, it could indicate less power, but only if the wheel slowed as the load was lifted (utilizing the flywheel built up energy).

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  11. Regardless of whether the wheel was initially spinning or not, if the load was raised without the wheel slowing, then the wheel had significant capabilities.

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  12. If you're insinuating flywheel effect that is irrelevant. Any machine that would start on its own is going to have great significance not only in changing the mindset of current science but a social Revolution and a way to look at existence with an even greater optimism for the future. That will happen shortly I could not stress enough stating it is so very very simple. Really there is only one reason why the rest of the world is blind to this fact and that is greed!

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  13. According to Christian Wolff's letter to Leibniz dated December 19th, 1715 sent after the former had tested the Merseberg wheel:

    "At the moment it can lift a weight of sixty pounds, but to achieve this the pulley had to be reduced more than four times, making the lifting quite slow."

    From a standstill and using a push start, the Merseberg wheel could only lift a 60 pound weight when a pulley system was used to increase the lifting force by more than four times and, even then, the lifting was very slow. That means that, without the pulleys used, the wheel's axle could only directly lift less than 15 pounds, perhaps only 12 pounds or so, rapidly. If one directly attached the 60 pound weight to the axle, then the wheel would be unable to lift it. Yes, Bessler's biggest wheels were weak. Very weak. Beware of anyone trying to convince you that Bessler's wheels were abundant sources of mechanical energy. They really had very low continuous power outputs. Because of the total mass of their internal weights and levers, which would have been in the hundreds of pounds, this implies that the offset center of gravity of a wheel's weights and levers was probably only displaced less than an inch from the center of the axle. Most pm wheel chasers are trying to offset the center of gravity of their weights by far more than this to get high torques. That is not the best that Bessler could achieve. Think more in terms of fractions of an inch!

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    1. The above is all true but I would point out that the lifting time is considerable extended by using pulleys, and Bessler was a showman, if nothing else, so the usual lift of approx 30 feet would be completed too quickly without pulleys and a six inch axle.....maybe? 50 rpm.

      JC

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    2. If the lifting demonstration done by the Merseburg wheel took place outside of the window of the first floor of Bessler's home that had a 14 foot ceiling, then the height of the lift was probably only around 16 feet or so. I don't think Wolff would have been impressed by a rapid weight lift done by a speeding wheel's axle. He wanted to see how the wheel did when it had to directly lift a weight immediately after starting since that would be a true measure of its power output. In such a situation, the Merseberg wheel could not lift 60 pounds unless the pulleys were used. Without the pulleys being used, it could only directly lift, perhaps, a maximum of 12 pounds and that would also be a slow lift. Really not that impressive which is why, after his own testing of the Merseberg wheel, Gottfried Leibniz stated in a letter of October 5th, 1715:

      "I also do not think it is purely perpetual motion, because I believe that to be impossible. If it is, then the machine could be enlarged to give much greater power. But I suspect that there is some physical principle behind it because its power is quite limited."

      Most likely, Leibnitz did the same kind of direct lift test of a weight with the Merseberg wheel just starting up as Wolff did and was not that impressed by its lifting power.

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    3. Weissenstein castle where the Kassel wheel stood, had three stories plus a lower ground floor. The height of the third floor windows was around 50 feet above ground level.

      I don’t have measurements for Schoss Merseburg but you can see that there are about five floors, so I would think that the top floors would be used, partly for Bessler’s more effective demonstration, but also because the servants tended to have the top floor rooms.

      JC

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  14. some guy other day say to me that pm whel chasing cats boring and gots no lifes. he says they spend all times in basements and garages working on no hopes wheels. i say not true! they know how to have good times like all. how i know? one nigth i follow cat when he leaves his basment. guess where he go? to red light part of town!!! i follow. then he goes into peeps show. i goes in too with camra. here what i find him doing!

    warnings! warnings! warnings! this link only for growd up adult cats 18 and over. if you kitty under 18 then no click link! you gots that? if you under 18 and clicks link you could go crazy for sex or somethin bad like that. then i no get blame. you been warned kitty. this link not for you! gets out of here! this only for mature cats 18 and over.

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WhimsicalEnviousBobwhite.webp

    mr. lepard spots

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    1. This link also freezes my iPad, just like the previous link from mls.

      JC

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    2. It's the same gif as this one:

      https://gfycat.com/whimsicalenviousbobwhite

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  15. Ha ha ha! This is without a doubt your best one yet MLS!

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  16. Once one of us reinvents the wheel, no one will care much who you are. It will all be about Bessler. He will be the focus, the inventor. You will just fade away in the background quickly.

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    1. I wouldn't count on that happening. Yes, there will be much talk about Bessler and his wheels, but the person who figured out how he did it will have solved a three century old mystery that thousands of others failed to solve. He will also get much attention for his rediscovery. That could take the form of magazine and tv interviews, awards, honorary degrees, etc. Probably be some money in it when they decide to make a movie out of the Bessler story. The rediscoverer could be a "technical consultant" for the film and be paid a few hundred thousands dollars for his advice on making it look authentic. He might even find himself endorsing products or services in tv commercials and that would take him up into the seven figure income range!

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  17. check this out all! here great new inventon for all bessler pm whel chasing cats! is special clock. it tell you how long you will needs to finaly find secrt of besslr wheels! easy to use because no have hands like regular clock. it look nice to hangs on walls of your works shops. just keeps lookin at it and looking at it and looking at it. lol!

    https://media.giphy.com/media/d3yxg15kJppJilnW/giphy.gif

    i looks at it for five minutes and then room begins to spin around for me! better spin than i gets from too much cheap wine and no cost nothing extra! this going to be big mony maker for lucky inventor.

    mr. lepard spots

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  18. Think about it an inexhaustible source of energy that doesn't pollute you could access it anywhere on the planet. You could meet all your needs anywhere on the planet. It could restore what man has damaged. Stabilized environments. Who could possibly oppose that? I know just like in besslers time the people who think everyone else is supposed to serve them you know the aristocrats. It is their power that is the illusion in the presence of Truth!

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  19. we already got it. it's called solar power.

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  20. photovoltaics is not pollution free

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    1. sticking a bessler wheel in everyone's home to power it won't be pollution or cost free either. trees will have to be cut down to make them and lead heated and cast to make weights. generators will have to be built to attach to a wheel to turn mechanical energy into electrical power. that all burns fossil fuels and adds carbon to our atmosphere. long term his wheels won't be able to compete with solar panels and lithium batteries for energy storage to be used on cloudy days or at night. bessler wheels may have made some sense three hundred years ago, but today they will only be curiosities for collectors and scientists to play with.

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    2. Now I know why you guys remain anonymous; I wouldn't put my name on this bull shit either!

      Sam Peppiatt

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    3. bessler's wheels couldn't even compete with simple wind and water mills or the primitive and inefficient steam engines that began to appear in the early 18th century. that fact and the exorbitant price bessler demanded was what really doomed his invention to obscurity. his failure to find a buyer wasn't all just due to unusual "bad luck" and his "paranoid personality". maybe someone today like john or ken will manage to successfully bring back bessler's wheels again. that will certainly produce some momentary interest, but it will quickly fade away if the wheels can't be made far more powerful so they can compete with other renewable sources of power that already exist and are being used. bessler wheel fanatics all tend to turn a blind eye to this unpleasant reality, but in the end they will have to confront it and accept its truth.

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    4. Anonymous there was a time I would have agreed with you but that has long passed. When I learned the configuration I couldn't believe it either and then when I learned the advantage of what Bessler calls the stork bill I realized you could negate any Trace of opposite reaction in that lever system and then connecting all the levers you could negate any centripetal force interfering with their arrangement. All of these types of mechanical principles have been used before. When you find where Bessler hid this example at first your skepticism will still be there and in the short length of time you'll realize it was far older then Bessler's time then you'll probably go quiet for a while.

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    5. it can be fun to play the "i know how it was done and you don't" game for a while, SG, but eventually if you don't reveal what you think you know, people will just dismiss you as another person generating delusional babble. if you think bessler shows the mechanism he used in his wheels anywhere in his published books, then reveal it so others can decide if it's valid or not. information that is not shared is, ultimately, useless.

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    6. I'll make that commitment to the person who makes the same to me and to say I've never shared it with anyone would be quite a presumption on your part upfront and honest you go first who the hell is anonymous?

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The Legend of Bessler’s Perpetual Motion Machine

On 6th June, 1712, in Germany, Johann Bessler (also known by his pseudonym, Orffyreus) announced that after many years of failure, h...