Wednesday, 8 April 2020

Bessler’s Wheel vs Water Wheel.

This is somewhat speculative, but an argument against the oft-stated opinion that Bessler’s wheel will  have little real power.

There have been several attempts to estimate the potential power in Bessler’s wheel, but given the paucity of information about the internal workings, we are limited to using the dimensions, speed and a single estimate of the relative mass of one weight.  Even the size of the chest of stones proves little, as we don’t know the limit that could be lifted.  There is another approach which might give some useful idea of the inherent potential in Bessler’s wheel.

There is a restaurant about a mile from here which straddles the river Avon,  called the Saxon mill, records indicate it was a working mill back in the twelfth century.  The first reference to a waterwheel goes back to 4000 BCE and there are the remains of several Roman water mills throughout England.  According to the Doomsday book in 1086 there were no less than 5624 water mills in England.

My idea was to compare the size and speed of the old water wheels used in the mills and also take a look at the current thinking (sorry, cheap pun!) about modern commercial and diy water mills and try to get assessments of power output from wheels of comparable size and speed to  the Merseburg wheel. I’m sure I don’t need to go into the different types of waterwheel, there is plenty about them on google.  There are several varieties each with their advantages. There is also much about efficiency of modern turbines, but that does not concern us just now.

Much of what follows is gleaned from reputable google websites.

Most of the Roman water wheels were vertical and measured between 5 and 10 feet in diameter, not too different from the size of the Merseburg wheel.  In 1764 the first water-powered cotton mill in the world was constructed in Lancashire.  Below is a picture of an early textile mill, from 1770.   Note the huge size of the wheel, and the gearing used.


The principle challenge of the waterwheel is the low rotational speed, which means that significant gearing up is required to match generator speeds.  The same has been suggested as the problem with Bessler’s wheel. However high power gear units are widely available and have improved the economics of modern waterwheel power schemes up to 50kW and more. A 35kW generator is enough to power everything in a home. Water wheels are cumbersome and far less efficient than hydro turbines but the reason for this discussion is to try to get an idea of the kW output of a Merseburg size wheel.

The Merseburg wheel was about eleven feet in diameter and one foot thick and turned at 40-50 rpm. But the old water wheels turned much more slowly, 7 to 10 rpm was common.  The Lacey wheel on the Isle of Man is the largest working water wheel in the world. It is 72.5 feet in diameter and six feet wide.  It turns at just 3 rpm.  It has an estimated 200 horsepower which is about 150 kW. So back to the Merseburg wheel.

The speed and volume of water and height of its fall affects the power output of a waterwheel, but most can work from minimal amounts of each.

Eleven feet by one foot, turning at 40 rpm. Circumference is say, 35 feet. The rim is moving at 1400 feet per minute or almost 16 mph.  16mph is a strong breeze and if you were cycling at 16mph, you would feel it quite strongly.  How much power might be available from the Merseburg wheel?  No idea, actually because for one we don’t know how heavy the weights were, nor how many there were, but there is one thing we do know - the speed of the rim, 16 mph, and more when it turned 50 rpm, nearly 20 mph.

It reminds me of the feeling I had when I read the maid’s account of how she helped turn the Kassel wheel, I couldn’t prove she was lying, but I knew she was, and it’s the same here, the Merseburg had plenty of power and rotated at far higher speeds than any waterwheel.  Add high gearing and you could drive an electricity generator.  Bessler said his wheel could be scaled up providing more power, obviously this must be true, it’s a common solution to limited output in many machines.

I know, this is not scientific or practical or objective, but sometimes subjective feelings are all you have.

One more thing; there has been so much talk about Bessler’s use of pulleys to increase the lifting power of the wheel.  I have suggested that the slower Kassel wheel was deliberately designed to provide a slower demonstration, obviating the need for pulleys.  In the Merseburg demonstration, with an rpm of 40 or 50, each lift would have been over quickly.  We don’t have the height of the lift but it was described as ‘several Klafter’, each of which was six feet.  Several Klafter could be up to about 50 feet,  although I suspect less, which would use 100 turns of the wheel, and last less than two minutes.  Including the pulleys, extended the length of the demonstration.

The demonstrations took some organising and were observed by several people at a time.  Removing weights, translating the wheel, replacing the weights, making sure that as many people as possible could view the lifting process through the windows, plus of course, Bessler’s own brand of showmanship, would take time.  A lift of less than two minutes might even be missed by some and would be received with less interest and requests for several repeats.  The use of pulleys would help the demonstration.

NB. This, in my opinion, justifies the design of the Kassel wheel, which had two requirements.  Firstly it was needed to run slower for the demonstration, and secondly it had to be able to accomplish the lengthy endurance test. Bessler would have been aware of any wear on the Merseburg wheel bearings and made adjustments to the design of the Kassel wheel to slow it’s rotational speed without reducing its power.  If this assumption is not right, how else do you explain the slower Kassel wheel?  Don’t forget that Bessler stated that he could make wheels large or small with varying power output.

In my opinion Bessler’s wheel will prove to have more than enough power to provide useful amounts of electricity.

JC





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  2. For Cwforshort: (7 Apr. 23:53) "One pound can cause the raising of more than one pound " Would you call this the principle governing Bessler's wheel? Thanks for your comments!

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    1. Yes. And I am implying without actually claiming, that I, in fact am familiar with the workings. That per se seems to ruffle some feathers although John C. himself has that claim and he says he has evidence to back it up. I likewise have evidence to back it up. But I'm not publishing and for that matter neither is John actually publishing atm.

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  3. Sorry for the delay Marinus(your comment 2 Apr.:19:40) : I can tell you how to lift a 4 pound weight as a one pound weight falls.Use the compound lever system as shown in my drawing. This is drawn from an actual BUILD, not a mere simulation. These drawings are a simplified form of M.T.25 where we use 2 mechanical lever sets instead of 4 ,mounted on a crossbar, diametrically linked via a cord and pulley ; still a fairly simple arrangement!

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  4. You should visit the Eling Tide Mill. A working water wheel has been operating here for upwards of a thousand years!! It's still to this day, grinding wheat and making flower. Sam

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  5. For a wheel turning clockwise, the levers in the first quadrant swing open as the crossbar reaches the vertical position and this closes the levers (scissor movement!!) entering the 3rd quadrant. Does this help you visualize the mechanical movement? I agree---timing is crucial for the fall AND for the primary weight to SUDDENLY fly upward at it's 6 o'clock position! Comments please?

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  6. In Apologia Poetica page 295 Mr. Bessler is giving us not a mere hint or clue but a litmus test that gives us the essential characteristic ( principle!) of the movement. Referring to causing a 4 pound weight to fly upward as a one pound weight falls Bessler says " If he ( the mechanic) can't, then his hard work shall be all in vain" Thats very emphatic Marinus! Your thoughts please. Thanks

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    1. I do not take it too literally. If you have a bar of length 5(!) and pivot it at length 1 you have a perfect 4:1 lever. Any craftsman knows that. But if you think pendulums then the pendulum with length 4 will swing exactly twice as slow as a pendulum with length 1.

      What does he mean with "fly"? It might be a swing upward. I like to think that there is always a mass (or maybe more than one) in free fall. This of course on the side of the wheel going up (actually explaining the movement). There will be always a mass(es) in "flight"

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  7. I agree; Gravity wheels will be very successful, once a way is found to make them----------Sam

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  8. John, in the back of his book Ken provides three tables that list the various parameters for all of Bessler's known or suspected wheels. For the Merseburg wheel he thinks that each lever had three 4 pound lead weights at its end and the wooden lever itself weighed 2.5 pounds to give a total mass of 14.5 pounds per weight and lever combination (also, unlike you, he uses the eight levers per one directional wheel design). The maximum power of the Merseburg wheel at start up he estimates to be 25 watts. For the Kassel wheel he thinks that all of the masses were doubled. Each lever had three 8 pound lead weights at its end and the wooden lever itself weighted 5 pounds to give a total mass of 29 pounds per weight and lever combination. The maximum power of the Kassel wheel at start up he estimates to be 50 watts. He based his power estimates for all of Bessler's other wheels on the work being done by the Kassel wheel as it ran that water screw in the vat next to it in one of the DT drawings which he thinks required 25 watts to just lift the water out of the vat plus another 25 watts to overcome the drag in the square pulley system used.

    We have to be careful not to confuse the power output of a Bessler wheel during a braking test with its far lower constant power output that it had when it had just started up. During a braking test, a wheel would have been allowed to reach its full speed and only then had the looped end of a rope suddenly attached to a pin on its axle so it could lift a heavy load outside of a window until the wheel came to a stop and the load stopped rising. The far lower constant power output was measured just after a wheel started up and was lifting a small load by a rope which had been previously attached directly to its stationary axle or was lifting a heavier load by a rope that first ran through a set of overhead pulleys before it reached the axle. The two power outputs are not the same. Braking tests would always make a wheel look much more powerful than it actually was, but they could only do so for a few minutes as the wheel gradually slowed to a stop during an outside of the building heavy load type lift.

    Those considering buying one of Bessler's wheels to use in a factory mainly wanted to know what it's constant power output was because most of them wanted to use the wheel to continuously run some machine on a shop floor as a water wheel would be able to do. I think one of the biggest obstacles Bessler had to selling his wheels, aside from the high price he demanded, was that fact that those testing them weren't that impressed with their lower constant power outputs.

    Bessler, of course, would have talked up a storm about how all they had to do was make a wheel big enough with heavy enough weights and even put several of them on an axle to get as much constant power as they needed in their factory. As those businessmen would have been taking all of that in they would have been comparing the cost of obtaining his perpetual motion wheel to the cost of just using a standard water wheel or wind mill for their factory's power needs. All of them eventually decided against the purchase. Someone else would have eventually reduced the asking price for his invention to make it more attractive, but Bessler insisted on holding out for the maximum he wanted. That mistake resulted in him getting nothing for it and the secret being lost for three centuries.

    Henry L.

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    1. I say; screw, Behrendt, his book and, his wheel!!! Forget the SOB!!! Sam

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    2. If that is Ken B then he's the only one here making any sense!

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    3. I get the feeling that Henry L. is Ken's brother, Or Henry L. Behrendt. If so, It's great that he sticks up for his brother. But at some point he should let it go-----------Sam

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    4. He makes no sense to me! 25 watts-----he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about-----I say he has never hoisted 70 pounds of bricks in his life, or anything else for that matter! Sam

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    5. Henry/Ken, you wrote, “ John, in the back of his book Ken provides three tables that list the various parameters for all of Bessler's known or suspected wheels. For the Merseburg wheel he thinks that each lever had three 4 pound lead weights at its end and the wooden lever itself weighed 2.5 pounds to give a total mass of 14.5 pounds per weight and lever combination (also, unlike you, he uses the eight levers per one directional wheel design)”

      You have no proof of any kind that what you say is true- it’s nothing but speculation and yet you present it as if it’s fact. It is this weird state of your mind that irritates me. You really must stop presenting your ideas as if they are the truth rather than something your mind has conjured up. I fear that you really believe all this nonsense you spout. I wonder how you will defend yourself once you see the real facts, which bear no relation to those you are promulgating.

      JC

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    6. The numbers I gave in my comment above were provided by Ken B and not by me. He claims and SHOWS how these numbers can be derived from the many clues he found in the two DT portraits (he's found over two dozen of them that were previously unknown!). I also thought the values he was providing were imaginary until I actually studied the clues he's found with my own two eyes. There is no doubt, imo, that they are there and real.

      As a simple example, he points out that Bessler placed giant letters M and K into the second DT portrait to let people know it contained clues about the Merseburg and Kassel wheels. Where are those letters? They are not below the portrait in the writing as one might first think. If you take the top arm of the large duck bill tool in the middle of the table and combine it with the L square below it whose corner almost touches it, you get your giant letter K! If you take both the upper and lower arms of the duck bill tool and combine them with the pen above it and the long file with the hole at its end below it, you get a giant letter M! Both letters have been rotated about 90 clockwise from their normal positions to make it harder for people to recognize them.

      He also shows other items in the second portrait that give the number and masses of the weights used at the ends of the levers in both wheels. The mass of each of the cylindrical weights used in the Merseburg wheel was 4 pounds and in the Kassel wheel it was 8 pounds and these values are fairly easy to find in the second portrait compared to some of the other part values Bessler used. I'll leave it to others to see if they can find those values. (Hint. Look toward the lower right hand corner of the portrait.)


      Henry L.

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    7. Henry L. You are a staunch supporter of Ken, however you are too knowledgeable about Ken’s work not to be Ken and I have asked you, which ever persona you are, to stop advertising his/your book on this blog. I have studied your book in more detail, since you sent me the link and I cannot, in all honesty, recommend it to anybody. There are countless errors and faulty assumptions and in the majority of cases, it is down to your own imagination. There is no supporting evidence for any of your so-called clues and they rely almost entirely on your say-so as to their meaning. As if that were not enough, I have deciphered a large number of pieces of encoded information which has provided me with sufficient understanding to build Bessler’s wheel, and the result does not bear the slightest similarity to your own much-vaunted solution.

      I must request that you stop commenting here, pretending to be a disciple but which in reality, is you, yourself Ken, and please STOP using every opportunity to promote your book. Get your own blog.

      JC

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    8. I'm sorry, John, if you find my comments here offensive and I will do as you request and avoid commenting here in the future unless it is absolutely necessary for some reason. Once again, I repeat that I am not Ken B although I do maintain occasional email contact with him. I am knowledgeable about his book only because I have read and reread sections of it several times. I have read many other pm books in the past and all I can say is that his treatment of Bessler's wheels is the most detailed one I have ever seen. His book, like the design he found, is truly unique in the literature of pm.

      You may think the clues he's found are imaginary, but I think that you are very wrong about that. Ken is seriously into numerology and he was able to determine the alphanumeric coding system that Bessler used and how he used it to place precise information into the two DT portraits that describe the specifications of the parts to be used in his wheels. Those clues were not intended to actually teach anyone how to build one of Bessler's wheels. They were mainly intended to prove Bessler had historical priority to the discovery of his invention's design in case another inventor produced an identical design and claimed it was his original invention. But Bessler may have also intended those clues to be used at some future time, if his invention did not sell during his lifetime, so that someone who came up with a working overbalanced wheel design then would know that it was actually Bessler's wheel and not his own original wheel. This the reason Ken does not like it when people refer to what he's found as "Ken's wheel". He always states that it is Bessler's wheel and not his own invention in any way.

      Ken had to do an incredible amount of work to find a design that worked. But he did cheat a little. He was able to compress decades of work into less than a single decade by using simulation software and, since he realized that there were clues in the two DT portraits that would verify the part specifications IF he actually had Bessler's wheel design, Ken was able to get some help in finding those part specifications by correctly interpreting the clues. He claims the journey to his final success was the most difficult one he's ever undertaken and I don't doubt it considering how many others must have tried over the last three centuries to find a solution and failed to do so (he says the solution required him to construct fully 2,000 computer models until he finally found ones whose simulations worked and all of whose parts were described by the DT portrait clues!).

      Those who haven't studied the DT portraits as intensely as Ken has will, like you, dismiss them as irrelevant and also dismiss anyone's interpretations of them as imaginary. That is exactly what Bessler intended to happen! But, ask yourself this simple question. Could the interpretations of dozens of imaginary clues accurately describe a WORKING overbalanced wheel design or, in his case, a working computer simulation of one? It would seem the probability of that happening by chance would be next to zero. Consequently I remain convinced that the clues he's found and their interpretations are in fact real and not imaginary.

      Because he cannot present a working physical wheel at this time, I must continue to state that I am only 99% convinced that Ken has actually found Bessler's design. I will not be 100% convinced until I finally see someone produce a working physical wheel based on what he's found. Hopefully, that will happen in the near future.


      Henry L.

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    9. I found Bessler’s solution without simulations, without the portraits, and without numerology. Bessler’s alphanumeric coding system is nothing unusual and I have known it for over a twenty years. There has been doubt expressed as to whether Ken’s simulation is a real one, I don’t know, I am no expert in sims but others are. So no sim either, it’s all imaginary and so are the clues.
      JC

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    10. Interesting concept. Clues that appear completely imaginary unless you just happen to have found Bessler's wheel design! Sounds like something weird that Bessler actually would have come up with to protect his secret design. Well, John, since you think those clues Ken B. found in the DT portraits are all imaginary, that now proves that you DON'T have Bessler's wheel design! Too bad. Lol!

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    11. I think both Ken & JC sir don't possess BW secret... It is very much obvious in their expressions...and desperation...JC sir's previous approach and subsequent revelation is ample proof... His miserable failures to answer simple riddles from bessler poem indicates that...
      This is truly understood by many but no one is openly coming out due to special reasons...

      Solving BW mystery requires a typical approach altogether... You need to be highly disciplined... You need to be a lot spiritual too... Because, without intuition and divine intervention and help from cosmos it is difficult to get the secret formula...
      Past efforts by so many so far is proof enough...
      It has to be bessler himself reborn again to complete his unfinished job... Whatever effort we make will not yield the desired results due to this very reason...
      Bessler was smart enough to know this and so he decided clues only he can understand...
      That is why even simple poetic clues are not known or correctly interpreted by us...
      Trevor, SG and even SK haven't come up with a practical Wheel despite knowing so much... Why?... For same reasons stated above...
      BW wheel secret is too simple yet of reach by many... Every promise of delivering a runner is either ditched or results in failure...
      Is the reason greed?... Perhaps, we should first find out why the secret is so elusive...

      My humble opinion is that approach to solving this shouldn't be Clue or code based... It must involve natural approach... based on instincts and intuition...
      Not to tell the least... A very compassionate, with a heart for the needy and downtrodden, objective and purpose must be the underlying criteria in a true besslerite...

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    12. "It has to be bessler himself reborn again to complete his unfinished job... "

      Maybe Ken B is the reincarnation of Johann Bessler? Then again maybe Johann Collins...I mean John Collins is the reincarnation of Johann Bessler? I'd say whose face most resembles Bessler's in the portraits is probably his reincarnation. But I've never seen any photos of Ken. I'd have to see photos of both of them with those 18th century wigs on them to really decide.

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    13. It can't be JC sir.. because..
      He is an atheist while bessler wasn't...
      A person who strongly believes in god will definitely be a stronger believer after rebirth...

      Another thing is that JC sir is unable to recognize even simplest poem clues... This can't so if he is a bessler reborn...

      Yellow sir has made it explicitly clear that JC sir believes in Number 55 and other different clues that would end up in something else... Not BW...

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    14. @ Anonymous10 April 2020 at 03:27, wrote “ Well, John, since you think those clues Ken B. found in the DT portraits are all imaginary, that now proves that you DON'T have Bessler's wheel design! Too bad. Lol!“

      It proves nothing except Ken’s clues are meaningless.

      JC

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    15. But what if YOUR own still unrevealed clues are all meaningless because they are purely a product of your imagination? If that's the case then you are really in no position to judge anyone else's clues.

      Imo, the final test of whose clues are valid is which ones describe a working wheel. Neither you nor Ken B have that working wheel yet so no conclusions can be made about whose clues are or are not valid at this time, but with a working sim, his clues would seem be closer to being valid than yours are whatever they are. Maybe you are putting down his design because of envy? Maybe you are annoyed because you thought you was destined to have the only solution and then unexpectedly someone else came along with a credible alternative?

      You've spent much time in the past putting down sims. But, you might just find yourself becoming desperate to get a working sim to add some credibility to your design if you cannot get your wheel running which so far looks exactly like what is happening with it.

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    16. Ken... Why do you keep arguing...
      You carried out an exhaustive research and published the details subsequently...
      But there seems to be no takers...
      You write a lot... But it is all just your imagination and not of interest to anyone... No one has commended it so far anywhere...
      No one wants to go through all the torture in Reading your book...
      To sum up, it is just trash... No use to us...
      You have your own explanation for everything... eg.. the energy source of BW... Your idea doesn't jell...

      So there is just no point in repeatedly talking about your book... The simple fact is that just no one is interested... You now know why Yellow sir had said that you are not a mentally stable guy?...
      When so many here don't like your repeated mentioning of your design then why do you always open this topic?... Why do you keep asserting this way?...
      Now be a good guy and talk only the relevant matter...
      From now on please don't mention anything about that design... Because, no one is interested...
      Please don't misunderstand me... Actually, I like you but not when you talk about your design... If your design had such a great potential you wouldn't have published it freely, in the first place... You would have made a fortune by recreating BW...
      Please, please, please don't feed us that stale food again...

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    17. "...it is just trash... No use to us...The simple fact is that just no one is interested..."

      A lot of the people here feel the same way about your comments!

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  9. My 2 cents........ it requires much less energy to move a weight in a horizontal plane than to cause it to rise vertically.. kind of like a softball under hand pitch

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    1. from AP, page 334:

      “Listen...my weights are not like those in turnspits and clocks. They don’t need to be raised up...it’s a different arrangement altogether from what you see in mill wheels, turnspits and clocks”

      He's telling everyone here that the weights in his wheels were not attached to the ends of chains or ropes that then supplied torque to the axle to rotate the drum when the weights descended as happens in a weight driven clock. That means that the weights inside of his wheels drums did not just move directly up and down. That makes sense if the weights were all attached to the ends of levers that all traveled around with the drum.

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  10. Power will not be a problem, there is so many options available to us today, and acceptance will be simple. I believe that he said that power was dependent on diameter, and with all the materials available size is just a matter of building a nice enclosure which will be super easy with the new concrete printers that can build any size structure with ease. Hurricane proof, termite proof idiot proof and almost no labor or skill level required

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  11. Sorry people, but I couldn’t help to ask this question: If energy can’t be created nor destroyed, and only change from one form to another, where did matter come from? It had to be created. Therefore, it took energy to create the matter. So, where did the energy come from to create the matter?

    Perpetualman.

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    1. we don't know what energy is exactly.

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    2. Having energy means being able to perform work which boils down to being able to provide a force on some object that moves it through a distance. If an object has no force applied to it even though it may be moving, then no work is done on it and its energy does not increase. Also, if a force is applied to an object, but it does not move, then no work is done on it and its energy also does not increase. Energy is also said to be identical to mass which can be thought of as "condensed energy".

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    3. these are all measurements related to the concept of energy. Fundamentally, what energy is unknown. we can only measure it, but what exactly it is a mystery.

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    4. We know exactly what energy is. It comes in many forms but basically it is movement. What we don’t know is where its coming from. There are two theories. The oldest is God and the latest is the Big Bang theory. Both are wrong. Scientist are still puzzling on how to combine gravity in both quantum mechanics and in cosmology. Somehow it doesn’t fit. I wonder why? Maybe Bessler’s wheel will shine a light on it.

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    5. Marinus, Seams like scientist are always puzzling over some thing, until some ordinary person figures it out for them-------------Sam

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    6. No it is not about only movement ! E=mc2 is the rest energy for example.
      Potential energy is not about movement either.

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    7. The speed of light, c, is a lot of movement (in a short time). Potential energy is the energy assumed if it would move.

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    8. Here is a quote from Richard Feynman:
      "It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge of what energy is. We do not have a picture that energy comes in little blobs of a definite amount. It is not that way. However, there are formulas for calculating some numerical quantity, and when we add it all together it gives “28”—always the same number. It is an abstract thing in that it does not tell us the mechanism or the reasons for the various formulas."

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    9. But then again these are all theoretical mambo jambo. Everyone has a personal opinion. It is not that important.

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  12. Isaiah 40:26 sums it up for me.

    Perpetualman.

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  13. A lot of things about Bessler's wheel is better then a water wheel. Number one you don't need a river to run it. Using the weights over and over again eliminates reoccurring fuel costs. By sticking it in a broom closet; it would eliminate the cost of maintaining the grid. Eventually house hold currents could go to D.C., direct current. Sam

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  14. Update. Yesterday, Wednesday, was another bad day for corona virus deaths in the US with over 1,900 more dead. Italy also reported that so far over 100 of their doctors have died treating COVID-19 patients.

    No one in the US has seen their promised $1,200 "economic stimulus" check from the US Treasury yet. Meanwhile, small businesses owners have gotten over 100 billion dollars promised to them and Congress wants to funnel another 300 billion to them. I wonder how much of that money will actually go to their employees and how much will go right into the pockets of the business owners? Trump wants to see the US economy "start with a bang" on April 30th. Unfortunately, the virus is not concerned about his schedule. Such a start up assumes that the number of deaths per day drops down to almost nothing in the next three weeks. Experts are saying that instead of peaking, the number of deaths per day could "plateau" or stay steady for months and if everyone starts disregarding the social distancing warnings the plateau could rise to a higher level. Americans are lining up for miles in their cars waiting to drive up to food banks so they can help them with some donated food. Turns out the average American only has about $400 in cash available for emergencies. Most are now living on credit cards that are rapidly getting maxed out.

    Some expert mentioned that they are working on a vaccine to protect everyone from the virus. It could take up to 18 months to develop! The statistics show that blacks and Hispanics are dying from COVID-19 at about a 50% higher rate of whites. This is could be because they have more blue collar jobs and cannot stay home and do their jobs over the internet. They have to show up at work everyday and risk exposure to others with the infection. A lot of them also have underlying health conditions that make them more susceptible to being killed by the respiratory problems caused by the infection. There has been the sudden appearance of "hot spots" of infections in nursing homes around the US causing high death rates among the senior citizen patients in them. Everyone's blaming it on the shortage of personal protection equipment for the staffs which can be attributed to state and federal governments not being prepared enough despite months of warning about what was happening over in China and coming our way. Trump's thinking it was all a hoax to make fun of and no more serious than the regular flu may have contributed to the lack of preparation.

    I heard a conservative radio talk show host today joking about how "overblown" this whole corona virus pandemic was and how everyone needs to get back to work. The rich are starting to miss their huge incomes and their various media and political spokespeople are trying to make everyone as little fearful of getting infected as possible. I wonder how many of those talk show hosts are broadcasting from a private studio in their home's basement because they don't want to risk driving into a crowded city to work there in their radio station's actual studio?


    Anonymous and PROUD of it!

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    1. Update. 17,919 corona virus deaths so far in the US and still climbing day by day. It's only been about one and a third months since we had our first death by March 1st. Before we know it, we will have lost more citizens to this virus than we lost soldiers in the Vietnam war after about a decade of involvement there!

      I saw a woman epidemiologist on tv today who said the worst thing Americans could do now was relax their current mitigation efforts because they think the COVID-19 pandemic in the US is almost over with and because they are all suffering from cabin fever and are eager to get back to their jobs. She says those who are trying to make everyone think "it's not that bad" or "it's just another flu" really don't know what they are talking about. She said that right now, with everything we are doing, we are just barely managing to keep the number of deaths down to what they are and not exceeding the ventilator capacity of our hospitals. Any premature relaxing will only allow the infections to flare up and send the death rates soaring again.

      Another expert said that over in Hong Kong they thought that it was all over with and then everyone stopped wearing their masks and was "getting back to normal" by getting together in groups. The result was a second wave that sent the daily death rate shooting right up again!

      There is a big difference between the seasonal flu and COVID-19 which is not an influenza type virus but a far more lethal corona type virus. With the seasonal flu we have vaccines, antivirals, and some immunity we've gotten from past flu infections we've recovered from to help fight them. They are also less stressful on the human lungs. With COVID-19 we have none of those. All we do have is the current mitigation efforts which have been shown to have a positive effect on reducing the daily death rate.

      I went food shopping yesterday at a local supermarket. Practically everyone in the store was wearing masks and many were wearing gloves. I was the only one there not wearing a mask. I think I'll start wearing some sort of mask too. Maybe one of the dust masks I use while cleaning. Aside from giving me some small amount of protection from airborne sneezed out droplets carrying the virus, it could help protect someone else if I happen to be infected and contagious and don't know it yet by containing anything I cough up or sneeze out. The mask I have is made to form fit the face and has a removable soft fiber filter piece mounted in a plastic face piece. All of he air you inhale and exhale has to pass through the filter piece. It's held in place on the face by adjustable rubber straps. Unfortunately, it does nothing to protect you from getting some virus in your eyes which could also infect you.

      It's also getting warmer here in the US and I think people are going to find those masks getting more and more uncomfortable as the temperatures rise. I think I saw some mention of a company that is working on mass producing a disposable clear plastic shield that covers the entire front of your face and is worn like eyeglasses. It defects any virus blowing toward your face while helping to contain anything you cough or sneeze out. You would get a box containing maybe a dozen of them and everyone in a household could start wearing them if anyone in the house tested positive for the virus. Meanwhile, we're still waiting for a quick 5 minute home test for the virus which may be available in a few months.


      Anonymous and PROUD of it!

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  15. I think it is strange that in 21st centurey, we don't have better solutions then total lockdown. Weird...

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    1. There is some hope that we might be able to make synthetic antibodies that can be injected into the blood of someone with a viral infection and would greatly aid his own immune system in fighting it. Unfortunately, it's not available for those now infected with Covid-19.

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  16. E = m c^2 is the total energy of the mass made up of atoms.

    KE = m 1/2 v^2 => m 1/2 c^2 or 1/2 m v^2 or 1/2 m c^2. So energy of mass in motion is half theoretical energy available. The other half is contained in the atoms themselves.

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  17. The wheel must be in a temporary out of balance condition to turn

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    1. Shouldn’t it be in a constant state of imbalance? That’s what I’m going for.

      Perpetualman.

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  18. The only thing this Ken B guy has , is a fake simulation , have a look at all those pin positions.

    None of them remain on the same place throughout rotation.

    On the levers they suddenly change from being connected on one side ,to being connected to the other side.

    None of them even remain at the same distance from the centre , they are connected to another circle lower and to the right of the circle shown,which coincides with where the centre of mass is drawn.

    Not to even mention the collision detection not even being on for one lever.

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    1. Someone many blogs ago explained why the pin icons appear to rotate as Ken's youtube wheel model turns. It's due to the way the pin icons are oriented in the latest versions of wm2d. They always stay to the lower right of the actual location of a pin despite the rotation of whatever part the pin was placed on. This gives the pin icons those odd orbiting motions. It's not due to a fake sim. It's just due to the pin icon not rotating while the part the pin is placed on does rotate. It's kind of like an optical illusion which is very noticeable in his sim model which has a lot of rotating parts in it.

      He did have an error in that sim he uploaded to youtube because he forgot to set the collision on one of the levers and its stop. But he admitted that in his pinned comment under the video and said that since it did not seriously affect the wheel's operation, he was not going to replace the video with the sim in which it was corrected. I think that error he made proves he's showing an actual sim and not a faked animation as some think.

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  19. Her's another question. Why would it take 2,000 simulations to come up with an unworkable device? It doesn't make any sense. The design is so bad, it looks more like the first try to me. Sam

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    1. It's guys like Behrendt that give perpetual motion a bad name. Sam

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    2. He claims it took him those 2000 sims to finally find ones that actually worked and also agreed with his interpretations of the portrait clues he thinks he's found. I can believe that because I've made over 100 sims so far and not one of them even came close to working. Maybe like Bessler, Ken found final success because he just pushed himself harder then most looking for pm? I also plan to get a copy of his book. You need that to get the specs for the parts in his youtube wheel video and when I get them I'll try making my own sims of it to see if they also work. That sim of his might look easy to make but I don't think it will be. Since the cog is so close to the axle it will have very low torque. Any sim model of it will have to be very precisely made if it's to run at all.

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    3. Well if it don't work, you can always fake it------------ Sam

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  20. We have fake names and a fake simulation of a fake wheel. I guess the book is real. A true story of a fake wheel----------Sam

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  21. Hello everyone!

    Well, I’m still working on my experimental gravity wheel project. Had to make some changes to the structure of the frame. Plus, I have go to the hardware store and get a couple of pvc fittings. Also, I just wanted to clarify something: in one of my previous posts, I said that I was using gears for my project when in actuality, they are bicycle sprockets. So far, It (appears) that I’ll be able to get several rotations out of it before the weights need to be reset (manually) while it’s still in rotation.

    Anyway, have a wonderful day and stay healthy!

    Perpetualman.

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    1. maybe this give you some ideas

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5iuTwM5brI

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    2. anon 21:03 that looks like jc's kiiking principle only powered by a battery. he doesn't show it running the car alternator so we don't know if it's putting out more power than it uses. if it did it should be able to power itself and he could cut the battery out of the circuit. that would be impressive.

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  22. Very informative! Thank you for the video link.
    I pretty much had the same idea 😲
    Oh well, I’ll see if I can improve on it 😃!

    Perpetualman.

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    1. Here's another one to consider:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiIfSxRDno

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  24. No dear... Total lockdown here... But I climbed the ladder in the image provided by Ken... I could see the solution... It was fantastic...

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  25. If you want to know the power of Bessler's Kassel wheel then some assumptions have to be made. It turned at 26 rpm unloaded, and 20 rpm constant speed loaded. That was when lifting what looks like 2 wooden stampers seen in the Kassel engraving. This is the engraving with the water screw shown as a second mode of work. How many times are they lifted per revolution? What is their approximate mass? How high are they lifted (it looks like about 150mm)? Alternatively the water volume lifted can be approximated. That should give a moderate range of power outputs in Watts. Assuming that Bessler did max out the work it could do but still want to impress and audience then it might be running at estimated 80% work capacity to limit fatigue and stress of internal parts. Like keeping your engine rpm below the red line.

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    1. That second DT picture shows the Kassel wheel working the water screw and the stamping mill at the same time, but they may only have been shown working together for the purpose of the illustration and so Bessler could make his wheel look more powerful than it actually was. It's better to assume that the wheel only worked one of them at a time so as not to overestimate its constant power output. Ken B. estimates that the wheel was outputting about 50 watts while just running the water screw which was the sum of about 25 watts to raise the water and about 25 watts to overcome drag in the pulleys. That seems like a reasonable estimate.

      As for the two wood stamps, IIRC someone estimated they were about 25 pounds each. They were each lifted about 8 inches, then dropped 4 times per drum rotation and that means together they were raised 8 times per drum rotation which at 20 rpm's would be 160 times per minute for both of them. That takes the same amount of energy as lifting a single 25 pound stamp through a distance of 0.666 feet x 160 = 106.56 feet in one minute or 60 seconds. The power output needed to do that is (106.56 ft x 25 lb)/60 sec = 44.4 ft-lb/sec = 60.2 watts which is close to Ken B.'s estimate of 50 watts at a wheel speed of 20 rpm's to operate just the water screw. These figures are all approximate though.

      If one wants to assume both devices were operated at the same time by the Kassel wheel, then it would have had to produce about 110 watts continuously at 20 rpm's. Not that much power for such a large wheel but it's nice that it was free power.

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    2. Alright now let a numerologist give you some info about those two Kassel wheel drawings in DT.

      Look at the left side of the first drawing where you see the wheel lifting the bricks outside of the window. The rope had to be attached when the wheel was at its top speed of 26 rpm and had built up a lot of energy for the lift. If you look at the drawing you will see that number! Where? The horizontal and vertical parts of the window frame form a letter X and the rope crossing the top vertical part of the frame forms another X. Put them together to get XX. That's the Roman numeral for 20. Next, look at the rope. Outside the window we see a vertical part of it. That's the Roman numeral I which is the same as 1. Now look at the rope inside of the room. It forms a V which is the Roman numeral for 5. Add all of the values together to get 20 + 1 + 5 = 26. That's Bessler's way of telling you that the maximum speed of his Kassel wheel was 26 rpm. You don't even need any witness tests to determine that, but they do help confirm it.

      Next move on to the second drawing of the Kassel wheel where it's working the water pump and the stamping machine. When it did that it's speed dropped down to 20 rpm. See how he shows it? Look at the right side drawing. The twisted rope to the pump forms an X and the two long levers to the stamps form another X. Put them together to get XX which again is the Roman numeral for 20. That's how Bessler tells you the wheel was only turning at 20 rpm when working those gadgets. Again, no witness tests necessary, but they do help confirm it.

      Sayer of Sooths

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    3. @SoS. Amazing! I must have looked at those two drawings for years and never noticed those obvious clues. Thanks for finally helping us see them.

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  26. hey John, why don't you use a Gantt chart or smt like that for your wheel project.

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    1. Yellow, I had to look it up, never heard of a Gantt chart. Not sure why I’d need one either, but thanks any way. JC

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    2. it is basically a time-table. any serious project requires one i think.
      at least, it may give you an idea when your wheel will be ready.

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